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escorpio 04-19-2006 06:57 AM

A message to all anit-immigration simpletons
 
Educate yourselves about why this is happening.

http://journalism.berkeley.edu/proje...r/nogales.html

http://www.mennoweekly.org/FEB/02-09...ales02-09.html

http://www.mennoweekly.org/FEB/02-09...otos02-09.html

GatorB 04-19-2006 07:00 AM

You're an idiot. Anda hater. And a racist. And anti-American. Go live in Mexico if you love it so, HYPOCRITE.

Phoenix 04-19-2006 07:03 AM

i am leaning more against immigration everyday

we are being bred out

escorpio 04-19-2006 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix
i am leaning more against immigration everyday

we are being bred out

Bred out?

DWB 04-19-2006 07:06 AM

This is a simple issue. Americans can not just go an become instant residents in another country. At best we can get a visa but often it is limited to X amount of days per year we can even stay in some places.

Why should this be any different for the Mexicans? If you are not legal, you are ILLEGAL and should not be allowed to stay.

Phoenix 04-19-2006 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio
Bred out?


yes here..the average CDn family has 1.2 kids

immigrant families are having 4-5 kids

wash them around for two generations and what do you have left?

escorpio 04-19-2006 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB
You're an idiot. Anda hater. And a racist. And anti-American. Go live in Mexico if you love it so, HYPOCRITE.

I will. :)

I know you didn't read the articles. Too many words and not enough pictures. Better stick to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. They keep shit simple and biased so people like you don't have to think.

escorpio 04-19-2006 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
This is a simple issue. Americans can not just go an become instant residents in another country. At best we can get a visa but often it is limited to X amount of days per year we can even stay in some places.

Why should this be any different for the Mexicans? If you are not legal, you are ILLEGAL and should not be allowed to stay.

Right. The idea is to make "legal" easier.

escorpio 04-19-2006 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix
yes here..the average CDn family has 1.2 kids

immigrant families are having 4-5 kids

wash them around for two generations and what do you have left?

So it's a gene pool issue with you?

Phoenix 04-19-2006 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by escorpio
So it's a gene pool issue with you?


no as i am mixing myself..my wife is korean

it is a belief issue

i think Canada should be more of a melting pot
do it the way we are...or dont bother coming here

it started with allowing people to join the RCMP and change the dress code

that was the day i started worrying about where our country is headed

xclusive 04-19-2006 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by escorpio
Right. The idea is to make "legal" easier.

Why make it easier? If they can't not be bothered to follow the rules on getting into the country what other rules won't they be bothered with? I have no problem if somebody wants to come here in the right way and make an honest living for themselves though.

onlymovies 04-19-2006 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by escorpio
Right. The idea is to make "legal" easier.

ok, but.........why??

escorpio 04-19-2006 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by xclusive
Why make it easier?

Because it's going to happen. If you want to control it, you have to make it easier for workers to enter the country legally.

escorpio 04-19-2006 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by onlymovies
ok, but.........why??

Because where you have economic disparity to this degree unregulated immigration will happen. The system is complicated and expensive. As long as it's easier to hop the fence and take your chances that's what people will do.

Doctor Dre 04-19-2006 07:18 AM

I'm not agaisn't immigration, but we should be monitoring the shit out of the immigrants, and they should have a chip so we can locate them at anytime.

They got a different culture then ours, and when they try to bring their violent / criminal culture, that causes big big problems.

xclusive 04-19-2006 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by escorpio
Because it's going to happen. If you want to control it, you have to make it easier for workers to enter the country legally.

Actually it will just make it worse, Those people plus all the ones coming over here illegally. Something has to be done about the situation for sure though.

BlackCrayon 04-19-2006 07:19 AM

free trade fucked everyone. those factories were once in the US or canada. shit, out of 12 factories in my hometown 15 years ago only 2 are left. all went to us/mexico/china. anyways, if everyone who wanted to come to the states was allowed to, it would only create the same problem the mexican people are facing. how does that help anything?

Phoenix 04-19-2006 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon
free trade fucked everyone. those factories were once in the US or canada. shit, out of 12 factories in my hometown 15 years ago only 2 are left. all went to us/mexico/china. anyways, if everyone who wanted to come to the states was allowed to, it would only create the same problem the mexican people are facing. how does that help anything?


free trade is evil


you are right....all our politicians have been corrupt lately

GatorB 04-19-2006 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by escorpio
Because it's going to happen. If you want to control it, you have to make it easier for workers to enter the country legally.

Well rape and murder are going to happen so why have laws on those things?

GatorB 04-19-2006 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon
free trade fucked everyone. those factories were once in the US or canada. shit, out of 12 factories in my hometown 15 years ago only 2 are left. all went to us/mexico/china. anyways, if everyone who wanted to come to the states was allowed to, it would only create the same problem the mexican people are facing. how does that help anything?

Yes US companies have closed down and moved to MEXCIO. So why are they coming here? The jobs are down there.

GatorB 04-19-2006 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by escorpio
Right. The idea is to make "legal" easier.

Fine. But first do it the LEGAL way. Making it easier does not mean just cross the border and you are instant American, which is what you are basically proposing. Because anything kind of regulation of immigration is met by "You're a moron" by you.

spanky part 2 04-19-2006 07:28 AM

It's a simple solution really. All the mexicans wanna live here, we could use some more ocean front property.

Let's just annex mexico!!!

That way we don't have to go thru thru the problems of immigration, and the oil companies can rape and pillage the resources that are available down there.
:thumbsup

escorpio 04-19-2006 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
I'm not agaisn't immigration, but we should be monitoring the shit out of the immigrants, and they should have a chip so we can locate them at anytime.

They got a different culture then ours, and when they try to bring their violent / criminal culture, that causes big big problems.

"Violent/ criminal culture"? WTF? The U.S. has one of the most violent and criminal cultures on the planet.

Ask any Canadian.

Or Micheal Moore.

escorpio 04-19-2006 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB
Yes US companies have closed down and moved to MEXCIO. So why are they coming here? The jobs are down there.

Read!

http://journalism.berkeley.edu/proje...r/nogales.html

http://www.mennoweekly.org/FEB/02-09...ales02-09.html

escorpio 04-19-2006 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB
Well rape and murder are going to happen so why have laws on those things?

...and you wonder why I call you a "simpleton." :1orglaugh

escorpio 04-19-2006 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanky part 2
It's a simple solution really. All the mexicans wanna live here, we could use some more ocean front property.

Let's just annex mexico!!!

That way we don't have to go thru thru the problems of immigration, and the oil companies can rape and pillage the resources that are available down there.
:thumbsup

That will probably happen eventually, though not in our lifetime.

minusonebit 04-19-2006 07:39 AM

I am not anti-immigrant; I am all for people who want to enter the country legally. My family came over from Spain many years ago. My relatives did it legally. That meant learning English and being a part of the culture. They didn?t sneak over the border in the middle of the night and then run into the streets demanding this, that and the other. Legal immigrants who enter through the proper channels by and large do come here to make society a better place.

Illegal immigrants do not come here to make this country a better place or to contribute to our society. They come here to suck up our resources, housing, handout programs, food and jobs and they ship the fruits of their labor back across the border. Illegal immigrants do not get immunized properly before crossing, this means that they bring disease and sickness with them.

And to fuck with their sad stories. I've got a few of those myself and they don?t entitle me to break the law to fill my needs, wants or desires. I cant just march into Canada or China or Russia or any other country and declare myself a citizen. Why should other people be able to do the same here?

Don?t post a link to a liberal California college and two to a newspaper for religious fruitcakes and tell me that?s why I should let it happen. The liberals have gotten this country into a huge fucking mess with their preaching tolerance and peace and unity bullshit its incredible. And the GOP is equally responsible for the mess because they keep wanting to spend every dime they can get a hold of.

So if you think that they should be allowed to come in here and do whatever they want and we should sit back and let them, well then fuck you because you are not an American and you are the one who doesn?t deserve to be here anymore.

Mr Dickovitch 04-19-2006 07:40 AM

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...04-18-18-08-31

Read about how your wonderful country "Mexico" treats its illegal aliens.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Talk about hypocrits. If people in Mexico started marching and raising flags from Guatamala you'd execute them. Your country is a piece of shit.

:1orglaugh :321GFY

psili 04-19-2006 07:41 AM

This is how I see it:

If a person illegally enters my house, depending on what they're doing / how their acting, I'm either going to kick them out or shoot them. I don't give a shit where you came from, only that you entered my residence without permission.

I see it no different with a country's borders.

If those trying to enter the country are currently starving, destitute and have no hope of a future; that sucks, but such is life. There's plenty of people in my country starving, destitute, poor, stupid who should be helped first.

----

With that aside, the US is pretty fucked. Unless someone puts some sterilization juice to the water systems, the Mexicans will procreate any other group out of existence.

escorpio 04-19-2006 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit
I am not anti-immigrant; I am all for people who want to enter the country legally. My family came over from Spain many years ago. My relatives did it legally. That meant learning English and being a part of the culture. They didn?t sneak over the border in the middle of the night and then run into the streets demanding this, that and the other. Legal immigrants who enter through the proper channels by and large do come here to make society a better place.

Illegal immigrants do not come here to make this country a better place or to contribute to our society. They come here to suck up our resources, housing, handout programs, food and jobs and they ship the fruits of their labor back across the border. Illegal immigrants do not get immunized properly before crossing, this means that they bring disease and sickness with them.

And to fuck with their sad stories. I've got a few of those myself and they don?t entitle me to break the law to fill my needs, wants or desires. I cant just march into Canada or China or Russia or any other country and declare myself a citizen. Why should other people be able to do the same here?

Don?t post a link to a liberal California college and two to a newspaper for religious fruitcakes and tell me that?s why I should let it happen. The liberals have gotten this country into a huge fucking mess with their preaching tolerance and peace and unity bullshit its incredible. And the GOP is equally responsible for the mess because they keep wanting to spend every dime they can get a hold of.

So if you think that they should be allowed to come in here and do whatever they want and we should sit back and let them, well then fuck you because you are not an American and you are the one who doesn?t deserve to be here anymore.

I am all for people coming here legally. I am for changing the system that makes this difficult to impossible for impoverished people.

I AM an American and deserve to be here just as much as you. I'm sure you'd love to cleanse "your" country. Fucking Nazi. :321GFY

escorpio 04-19-2006 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Dickovitch
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...04-18-18-08-31

Read about how your wonderful country "Mexico" treats its illegal aliens.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Talk about hypocrits. If people in Mexico started marching and raising flags from Guatamala you'd execute them. Your country is a piece of shit.

:1orglaugh :321GFY

The mistreatment is perpetrated by rogue police and soldiers. Corrupt law enforcement is a sad fact of Mexico.

No illegal would be "shot" as a matter of policy for flying a Guatemalan flag. They would be deported, just like illegal Guatemalans are deported form the U.S.

Mexico is not my country. I was born in the U.S.A.

escorpio 04-19-2006 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by psili
If those trying to enter the country are currently starving, destitute and have no hope of a future; that sucks, but such is life.

If it was your life would that still be your attitude?

onlymovies 04-19-2006 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by escorpio
Because where you have economic disparity to this degree unregulated immigration will happen. The system is complicated and expensive. As long as it's easier to hop the fence and take your chances that's what people will do.


Ofcourse and I agree. It's the basic human need to seek a better life. But for the sake of sounding heartless for this discussion, why is their 'economic disparity' our problem? Why is it our responsibility?

Warning Pages 04-19-2006 07:58 AM

The immagration issue is a tough one for me,and people or families like mine. I am a U.S. citizen, so is the rest of my family. My dad came to this country illeagaly from Dominican Republic back in the 60's he worked his ass off to provide better for me and the rest of my family. He eventualy became a american citizen himself through legal channels, when he didn't need too since all of his children were american citizens. So theres a few problems here.


Yes we do need to control immagration(that's just obvious) but everyone who is an american citizen came from an illeagal immagrant(somewhere down the line) how can we improve the situations for those good hard working one's. And penalize the (shit) that either is here already,or are trying to come over.

Then we have the whole"race" issue. I'm latin, and a american citizen,also I'm not mexican. I'm sure after this whole immagration fiasco I will probably get treated a little different by the american society as whole, but I don't care I can defend myself what will happen to those who can't.

Lastly when ever you want to get to the root of any situation, follow the money. Would america or americans put up with illegals if they were taxed at a higher rate(pending on there legal status) higher rate for an illegal, lower rate for a legal resident so on so fourth?

Immagation will never stop!!! The question is how to control it. I don't have the answers, alot of us don't as good as our opinions maybe. The question at the end of the day is how can we filter the"shity one's" and keep them from comming in, and helping the good one's.

escorpio 04-19-2006 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onlymovies
Ofcourse and I agree. It's the basic human need to seek a better life. But for the sake of sounding heartless for this discussion, why is their 'economic disparity' our problem? Why is it our responsibility?

It's our problem because for as long as it exists you will have illegal immigration. NAFTA fucked Mexico good and now we're feeling the effects.

psili 04-19-2006 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by escorpio
If it was your life would that still be your attitude?

Because I can't honestly answer that, having never experienced it before, I have the opinions I currently have; and I have some pretty fucked up opinions in regard to the human race.

So while I can understand some reasons for coming to another country illegally, I currently neither condone them nor think they should be tolerated.

escorpio 04-19-2006 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warning Pages
Immagation will never stop!!! The question is how to control it. I don't have the answers, alot of us don't as good as our opinions maybe. The question at the end of the day is how can we filter the"shity one's" and keep them from comming in, and helping the good one's.

:thumbsup

Pleasurepays 04-19-2006 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio
I will. :)

I know you didn't read the articles. Too many words and not enough pictures. Better stick to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. They keep shit simple and biased so people like you don't have to think.

just because life sucks in a border town that has no purpose or economy in the first place other than smuggling shit across the border... doesn't mean people are entitled to jump the border and become instant residents in another country. last i checked.. mexico has cities to the south as well... its not like going north is their only option. fucking retard.

escorpio 04-19-2006 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psili
Because I can't honestly answer that, having never experienced it before, I have the opinions I currently have; and I have some pretty fucked up opinions in regard to the human race.

So while I can understand some reasons for coming to another country illegally, I currently neither condone them nor think they should be tolerated.

You don't have to experience it to have compassion. Why don't you come to Nogales, I'll take you to a poor colonia and you can tell a mother that lives in a fucking shack with no running water, "Tough shit, I got mine. That's the way life goes."

Pleasurepays 04-19-2006 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warning Pages
Yes we do need to control immagration(that's just obvious) but everyone who is an american citizen came from an illeagal immagrant(somewhere down the line) how can we improve the situations for those good hard working one's. And penalize the (shit) that either is here already,or are trying to come over.

holy shit. apparently people play more baseball in the dominican republic than they study in school.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh


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