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Hi peaches Rick has told me alot of good things about you!!!!!! I posted this in the first page "Lastly when ever you want to get to the root of any situation, follow the money. Would america or americans put up with illegals if they were taxed at a higher rate(pending on there legal status) higher rate for an illegal, lower rate for a legal resident so on so fourth?" And I would like to add if you started taxing the money going out of the U.S. "witch at the moment is like 200 billion dollars a year being sent to mexico alone" by taxing the illeagals at the "western unoin's" if they cannot provide leagal paper work & tax them higher if they are caught going through airports, borders with money on them! it's just an opinion! |
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i think a lot of people take this issue too personally. my main viewpoint is if you think america or any country can absorb an unlimited number of immigrants, legal or not every year, you better start asking yourself what people are going to do when there are more people than jobs. especially when jobs are leaving north america at record rates right now. in a perfect world 'the golden rule' and the 'american dream' would work all the time but its not and it doesn't. the american dream becomes more of a hoax every year. a good percentage either end up homeless or right back where they came from, angry and disillusioned. who could blame them. if i was in the situation they were, i'd do whatever it takes to make my life better too.
i had a friend who lived in mexico, they weren't rich but they had computers, the internet, PS2, ect. the pictures he sent of his hometown looked better than most american cities, beautiful really. they had more than those who live below the poverty line in north america. so it is possible to live a decent life there. instead of getting angry at the people who only want to protect their way of life, get angry at the governments who exploit their own people, the US companies who expliot the mexican people (amoung many others). the US government who knowingly supports it. we're all just caught in the middle of big business doing what it does best, making a profit by whatever means necessary. |
That's a fucking fantastic outlook there, bro. Good for you.
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my main viewpoint is if you think america or any country can absorb an unlimited number of immigrants, legal or not every year, you better start asking yourself what people are going to do when there are more people than jobs. especially when jobs are leaving north america at record rates right now. in a perfect world 'the golden rule' and the 'american dream' would work all the time but its not and it doesn't. the american dream becomes more of a hoax every year. Perfect description of the problem. Unregulated immigration might work for a while but in the end it is just going to make everyone poor. |
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Anyone else notice many people are just on the opposite side of the issue because Bush supports immigration? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Here I am a conservative Republican and Ive always supported imigration. The problem with the whole system is that its just too hard, and way to expensive for your average person. It cost my wife and I over 3,000.00 in our first year of marriage when we had very very little, and she is from Japan. Now how is some non Rich Mexican going to be able to get here legally and have a chance at a better life? 3,000.00 for them you may as well ask them for a million. :( |
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Here's the stipulation regarding land you were to lazy to look up: "Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters." Equal employment rights are denied to immigrants, even legal ones. Article 32: "Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable." Imagine if we could do this here. :1orglaugh Article 16 states, "In cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities." (this is regarding illegals in Mexico) And there goes due process for immigrants to mexico According to Article 33, "the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action." That's what I thought. Dumbass. :1orglaugh |
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http://www.mexonline.com/propmex.htm Looks like their laws regarding immigrants are a lot like the U.S.A. |
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Yes, it's possible for an American to aquire land in Mexico, but only indirectly. They are required to set up a mexican coproration that has at least %1 ownership held by a resident, as contracturally non-mexicans are treated like minors and therefore can't contract for title or for financing. Sure there are banks willing to structure this setup for americans recently, but if you're going to parallel this to the ease with which a foreigner can buy land in the US you're just dense. Quote:
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Looks like you're slowly making progress! Good for you! :thumbsup
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How do you feel if billions of chinese all of a sudden wanted to all come here, Should that be allowed?
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Even your 'Mexonline' site describes the exact process I did. The american never actually owns the land in that instance, it's an established mexican trust that technically has a Mexican owner. :1orglaugh
Great, someone found a loophole and officials have allowed it to slide to encourage investment. At no point in a process does it change the fact that an american can't legally own land in mexico, it just means that someone found a way around the law via Mexican corporate structure. Once again how does this change the core issue a) Everyone else in the world has to play by the rules why do you think mexicans don't. They sure as hell don't return the favor if we enter their country illegally. b) if you think america or any country can absorb an unlimited number of immigrants, legal or not every year, you better start asking yourself what people are going to do when there are more people than jobs. especially when jobs are leaving north america at record rates right now. We can barilly manage to provide for our own citizens, trying to go even further is just going to hurt everyone in the end as we simply don't have the resources. |
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Hear! Hear!:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup (I just made a contribution to the minutemen project as well as Roy Warden's group in Tucson.) |
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Once upon a time I didn't like illegal mexicans either. I'd go along with others that these mexicans come here take our jobs. But then oneday I gave it a long hard thought while taking notes in my American History 101 class at the university.. why am I being prejudice, a hypocrite? I figured cos I've been hanging out with highschool dropouts too much. So I quit hanging out with the losers and been feeling better about myself since :thumbsup |
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I think the rules should be changed. And we do have the resources. |
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I have no issue with my country enforcing the same laws that every other country on earth enforces.... including Mexico. |
Oh.... I just looked at what Stormfront is....
Typical of the left, when someone disagrees, and you can't fight them with logic, then just call them Racist! You are just a silly kid aren't you?:1orglaugh :1orglaugh By that same logic, then Mexico and every other country that enforces their Border entry laws are all Racist. LMAO!!! |
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I immigrated here when I was 11, I came from The Netherlands though (even though I'm not Dutch, I'm asian but I was born in Holland). Anyways, even though I didn't speak English in Holland when I was a kid, for some reason I learned English REALLY REALLY fast.
I don't know if it's exceptional genes or what but I was never in ESL, and after being in America for only 2 MONTHS, I was already in HONORS English. I was one of those really smart people and soon my english was so good that I was doing better than kids who were born here. Some people are just naturally smart. It doesn't have much to do with the thread but I just wanted to brag how easily I learned English because I never got the chance to brag before! I don't understand how people can be so retarded and be stuck in ESL for years. After 2 months here I was already in HONORS. And I also got a 4 on my AP exam in history in high school (which was an all written exam), I beat the valedictorian who ended up going to Harvard!! |
It doesn't matter what race this is happening too..whoever is complaining is racist period.
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I love how the illegal immigrant sympathizers never use the word ILLEGAL. No American has a problem with legal immigration!
I've said this before, and have yet to get an answer.... What gives a Mexican the right to pick another country to go live in, and enter that country at their own will? Just because the Mexican government encourages illegal immigration to the US doesn't mean you have the right to disrespect American immigration laws. If you come here illegally, you are asking for any problems you may face here. I will support illegal Mexican immigration when someone convinces me that they have more of a right to come to the US than people from other countries. |
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....and they have done a great job in helping the border patrol do their work, and illegal entries in the areas that they are observing are WAY down. Please show me any credible evidence of what you are saying. |
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And before escorpio goes all racist on me again, I have no problem with Spanish people if I did things wouldn't go very well on my block as it's now 70% Spanish.. As far as the language bothering me.. It doesn't bother me, it pisses me off that your answer is to learn Spanish! Fuck Off!! I don't need to know it atm and if I ever travel I'll do it then, JUST like anyone coming here should! Canada has a vast open space up north, tell all your buddies that want to come over illegal to keep heading north! Oh wait nobody will give them a hand out there..nevermind. :disgust |
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(I've also never called anyone a "Jose", I'm not sure what that's about.) I think that illegal border crossings are wrong no matter what country people are coming from. The only reason that Mexico comes up in these threads (and I wasn't the one that raised it), is that it is the border with the biggest problem. I think that Canadians that come into the US illegally should be deported, along with Swedes, Japanese, English, Australians, Russians, Argentinians, or ANY people that break our border entry laws... I have seen here in Miami people from all over the planet that come here, then over stay their VISAs and then disappear. It's wrong, and the US is not wrong for trying to enforce our laws. |
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Mexicans are actually among the biggest racists on the planet, and you know it. White people are loathed in the Mexican community. The only reason there is any respect at all is because they need gringo to get their money to send back to Mexico. |
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By the way, anyone with Spanish blood needs to leave mexico, since Spain stole it from the Aztecs.... ....and come to think of it, the Aztecs got that land by conquering neighboring tribes, so THEY need to give it back to the original small tribes that the Aztecs stole from in the first place. |
Tell me, how many white dishwashers do you know or how many white or black people you know that would want to work as one????
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