You're the fucking retard. No purpose or economy but smuggling? Shows how little you know.

Cities to the south with jobs? :1orglaugh You're beyond retarded.

i'm sure there are plenty of people in places like africa for example who would switch with her in a heartbeat. not that it justifies anything but the mexican people are victims of their own government. NAFTA didn't just fuck mexico. a lot of US and canadian jobs are there now. mexico needs better labour laws.

Yes, they are victims of their own government. I care about people more than governments.

you're right. mexico in its entirety exists on the US border. there is no economy in mexico at all. no employment nationwide. no possibility to make a living anywhere in the country. its one big country full of people just sitting on their asses and doing nothing waiting for americans to feed them. i guess that is what you are saying?

i am going to pass your logic to the good citizens of kentucky and let them know that their only option to improve their lives is to illegally immigrate to great britian. once we empty out kentucky, hopefully arkansas will follow.

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of course but leaving the country is just a putting a band-aid on the problem. what about all the people who will never be able to come to america, regardless of what changes might happen to immigration laws? don't you care about them? the country? if poverty and economic despair was a reason to claim refugee status, america would be fucked. mexico isn't the only country facing such problems.

Aren't Illegal immigrants DNR in the emergency room? :winkwink:

My question wasn't 'why' we have an illegal immigration problem, that answer is obvious as you just stated. Forget immigration for a second.

My question was, is the people of mexico's well being our responsibility...while they are in their homeland?

Yes, there are jobs in other parts of Mexico. Unfortunately they are already taken and not available to a displaced campesino.

So you're under the impression that there a plentiful jobs in Mexico, no poverty in the south and people immigrate just for fun? Is that what you're saying?

BTW life in a border town is great, if you have money. :)

Well baseball is the national sport and people play it passionaly down there.(true) but most of the baseball players that are in the U.S. come from very poor or impovirished areas aka"the hood" and that's there way out of poverty.
That doesn't speak for the country as a whole I have a house in santiago it's closer to the northern coast that i love to go vaction to. It's a beautiful country but the country's government is so fucked I see why people risk their lives by jumping in a makeshift boat and taking their chances out at sea!!

Their well being is not our "responsibility" per se but I feel that the wealth of this country should be shared by allowing people in an impoverished neighboring country the opportunity to work, bettering their lives, families and homeland in the process.

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dude... my point is simply that like EVERY country on the planet, they have a free market economy and the possibility to work and make money at home and live. i can understand the hardships there, low paying work etc. HOWEVER, thats not a good enough reason to unilaterally demand full US citizenship and rights as a US citizen. the problem is not in the US... the problem is in that same fucked up, backwards assed, corrupt country that has not been able to get its shit together for well over a century. if people there don't like it.. then their priority should be to change it. not to change the US.

:2 cents:

Changing a government takes time, and it's slowly happening in Mexico. When you're hungry you have more pressing concerns than the next election.

People just want the right to work. Stop worrying that everybody wants to be a citizen. And even if they did, so what? This country was built on immigration. Who are you to close the books now that you've got yours. Is that the principles this country was founded on?

the country was built on immigration WHEN the country was being built. the influx of people was necessary. thats a lame and irrelevent argument in 2006 with a country of almost 300,000,000 people that is getting tiresome. most countries were built on immigration. do you think canada wasn't? should a bunch of kentucky inbreeders go to canada now and demand their citizenship because canada was built on immigration? should every poor person in the US demand canadian citizenship because "they got theirs" as you just argued?

Let's put the illegal's to a side. What about the legal immigrants that are filing and waiting for the cases or files? It's not fair at all. The legal immigrants at least try to apply. Legal Immigrants have limits on jobs, they cannot be hired for what a U.S. Citizen is doing. When an employer hires a legal immigrant [pending] they pay more taxes and all. U.S. Citizen and Legal Immigrant can deal with this but the Illegal's take all the jobs from us.
The ones that enter the U.S. illegally can get the hell out of here. If they entered at least with a Legal Entry, there is big difference. They can apply and wait for their turns to have a work permit, greencard etc, like all the others.
If I was the head of Homeland Security. When those groups gather together, I would bust them and send them back to their homes.
Its not fair for most of legal immigrants that are still waiting for their working permits and interviews... If Bush grands the illegals to stay and work, then he better resign.. just do not want to know what will happen. I have about 20 employees and 4 immigrants. All work great! From 10 people that apply for a job 9 are illegal and 1 is legal...

What is going on?!?

The country is still being built. It will always be in a constant state of flux. History is always being made.

Who are you to say "we're built now. Sorry, you can't take your shot at the American Dream?"

The U.S. is not an impoverished nation so I'm no sure what you're "immigrate to Canada" argument is about. Do a lot of poor Americans try to immigrate to Canada to work and better their lives and get refused? Is this a phenomenon I'm not aware of?

One more time for the kids in the back...

Legal immigration in it's present state takes much time and much money. When you are living in desperate poverty these are things you don't have.

they can do anything they want to do as long as its within the law. getting away with breaking the law does not make one entitled to anything.

:2 cents:


All this talk about anit-immigrantion this and that makes me sick! What ever happened to just being a human being instead of labeling eachother.

I can speak about this topic because I am from Mexican Decent and my parents came here illegally just like most of the fucks in this country did... if not by well, against their own will.

History people! :mad:

My parents busted their asses to get us where we are at today and that's the fuel that drives me here in this country each and every day. Because I have the opportunities they didn't. They even met eachother here in America. And I've heard it all. I've heard their horror stories. My father almost died in the desert. My mother was deported several times, and almost died in the fields of California picking grapes on a super hot day of exhaustion and being dehydrated. The point is... they never gave up. They wanted a better life for themselves.

Trust me, I see plenty of illegals here just trying to make a better life for themselves.I definately drop prayers in almost ever street corner here in LA on a daily. I think its bullshit that people say.. oh mexico is a piece of shit.. oh they have nothing better to do than smuggle drugs when you fucks are the ones consuming them... SECOND.... please excuse me I don't ever post when it comes to this kind of shit because I've had to deal with people like this my entire life.. I have to be better than you if not smarter than you to kill the "stereotype".. but that's alright that makes me more educated.. we are not stupid.. uneducated Mexicans... ridiculous...yet we can do just about anything AND we serve you daily....and that's right I am LEGAL!... than to say oh they don't pay taxes...that's a bunch of bullshit too because most of them too. Don't ask me how they do.. but they do. My parents did than and they do now.

You want to talk about.. food stamps all that bullshit.. don't even get me started on that because the majority that is on welfare is white or black. I won't get into name calling I had enough growing up..I can honestly say it has effected me I still have my moments but prevailed... I don't tolerate it nor do I even scoop to that level of name calling based on race. :disgust

That's LAME! AND IGNORANT. What are you afraid of?

THIRDLY... lol.... it's funny how the same people that say all this shit about Mexico are the ones who come to that country and act like fucking idoits, WHORES!! that's right I said it... and litter. You sure as hell wouldn't do it here now would you? You aren't doing anything to fix the problem either!!

I could go on and on about this but honestly I have a job to work. I even took this small break to address this because I felt I had to. I've dealt with this my whole life. It's really old. Some people are heartless. You can't fix everyone. And I'm just a beaner, right?

So just like you voiced your opinion I voiced mine. Don't even think of picking at me because I refrained from pulling some of you out and addressing you directly. WHY?

Because I have dignity and I have respect.. not just for all of you as an individual but to mankind... the HUMAN RACE.

This is God's country not billy bobs.. etc. My good ness! Look around you there are all kinds of different colors, cultures, around you. This immigration law effects everyone to koreans, indians, iraqis etc.. it's just easier to point the fingers at Mexicans because we are everywhere AND your next door neighbor.

Yes I do believe there should be rules just like any other country has them but those "illegals" who are PEOPLE ..should be granted citizenship if they've been here for so many years and so forth. I know they are working on some structure.. and from here on out.. you should have to have the proper paperwork to get in. Temporary visas, whatever. But you can't kick the "Mexicans" out or any other person who contributes to this society we live in and has for YEARS.

And for the record... since people talk about people walking around holding mexican flags etc... its not about the country (go back than! bruhaha :321GFY ) it's about A CULTURE.
We love where we came from. Do you?

As for denying people medical help.. that's just common sense. What would Jesus do???? :error

Selfish.

Doesn't matter whether they are Persian, Mexican, Carribean, Spanish, Italian, whatever!

Have you ever heard of the bible? ........Ten Commandments, the Golden Rule, etc.......seriously....Compassion, got some? :helpme

Go watch the movie, A Day without a Mexican. Educate yourself, I dare you.

**Escorpio.. I will say this to you...don't even bother posting these threads.. there is so much one can do to educate others and it's not on THIS board babe.. go to another one...or blog about it.. do myspace.. whatever.. I personally don't like coming into my office and reading this nonsense, how insulting. It's like we are worse than animals....no valemes nada....theres absolutely no compassion most people just want to see the surface yet it goes deeper than that...they are people..we are all people..you are always going to run into the "what can you do for me" attitudes...this really is NOT the board for this kind of stuff... because although somethings have changed. Some will never change.

Again this is MY opinion. I let you voice yours so let me voice mine.

Have a GREAT Day!!! :thumbsup

Some laws need to be changed. That's my point.

Fantastic. Absolutely beautiful. :wetkiss

good information

I seem to remember posting this.... Maybe you need a re-read. :helpme

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."


How many foreign flags do you see hanging off of car mirrors?? The ESOL classes are pretty empty here... Do it right or get the fuck out like you would have to in ANY other country! Teddy knew this 100 years ago!!

Bobcat Goldthwait:


I hear all these people saying, "If you can't speak American, then get the hell out of the country!"

Hmm...you don't *sound* Navajo..."




p.s. great post Gracie!

Already read it. Don't agree with it.

What the fuck is a 100 year old xenophobic speech supposed to prove?

You must have missed the new footer I added just for you... I know this is useless now as you feel people coming to this country have the right to DEMAND what ever they want...

I guess Spanish classes should be free now too just like the ESOL program but I don't see that happening. So I get to TRY to communicate with my neighbor down the road by sign language or pony up the cash to learn a language I don't WANT to learn... Did I miss the memo that we are now a 3rd world country??? Get a small clue pls.

Sorry Hal but the Indian card doesn't apply here we have a national language and Navajo wasn't the winner. No offence man I have Indian blood myself but I am an AMERICAN.

As far as the 100 year old speech it applies as well now as it did then, Plain and Simple! One Flag! One Language! No Divided Allegiance!!

Pretty simple huh??

Why so much fuss over Spanish? Does it really intimidate and upset you that much? It's good to learn a second language. Lots of people in Europe speak twp or three.


Tell me more about your Indian heritage. How did your people feel about those illegals from England and Spain pushing their language on them?

We are all 'illegal' immigrants in this country ... or do I have to remind you who were the 'real Americans' ?

Actually it's a well established sociological fact that immigrant populations have significantly higher crime rates, espeically once they start having children in the country. The culture clash leads to a lot of deviant behavour.

Bill Clinton

1 us dollar = 1.54 Canadian
1 us dollar = 1.12 Euro

Took a "chill out dude" policy to ilegal immigration.

George Bush....

Do I really need to say anything about the state of the Union.

And he takes a "Hate anything that isn't american born, bred, and true" policy.

Conclusion:
Imigrants bring money and prosperity to an economy.

PS: I find it somewhat ironic that going the other way an american couldn't even legally own land in mexico amoung any number of other things.

We have no rights there but for some reason they expect rights here? Either way how many of the illegals really even want to stay here and be naturalized, many of them are migrants who end up back in mexico after they've worked for a season. I'm all for immigration, but this unregulated border hopping is just ridiculous.

Yes, this country was built on legal immigration. Since when were the books closed?

Americans can own land in Mexico.

What rights are you talking about? Americans have rights in Mexico.

Since 1921 when the Emergency Quota Act was imposed. The process has gotten much more difficult since the "built this country" era.

Since when was this about being "for" or "against" immigration? That's so ignorant.

I think you need a legal review about mexican legal policies. We can temporarilly lease land fro mteh government in 25 year increments, to be siezed at will, but we can never actually own it.

Think you are getting very confused between legal immigrants and non-immigrants on H2 work-visa there bud. Legal immigrants have no such barriers and cannot be discriminated in any fashion you are stating.. they are pretty much citizens without few additional privileges of a citizen that they do not hold an u.s. passport, they cannot stay outside of USA for more than 6 months at a time, they have to be living in the usa for atleast certain number of days without commiting any crimes before they are eligible to apply for a citizenship and that they are not allowed to vote in federal elections that's all.

Work-visa= they cannot be hired for what a U.S. Citizen is doing. When an employer hires a non-immigrant worker [pending] the non-immigrant pays more taxes and all. And work-visa expires in 3 years unless renewed and can be renewed for maximum 1 time then the non-immigrant has to leave the country unless his employer successfully pursues an u.s. immigrant status for him. work-visa= what Bush's been proposing for mexicans :2 cents:

:1orglaugh Oh yea we wouldn't want to impose any undue burdens on people make us jump through just as many hoops to come to their county. :1orglaugh God it's gotten to the point where Mexicans expect to be treated like Americans regardless of the fact that... oh I don't know... they aren't Americans? At least a mexican could own land here if he cared to, we can't even do that in your country as an outsider.

Like the nationalist system established world-wide or not everyone else in the world has to deal with it too, why do you think that mexicans should be exempt for some reason?


Honestly the bottom line is if you try to help everyone you end up hurting everyone in the end. Personally I'd rather look after my own.

I've never heard of this. As far as I know foreigners are only prohibited form directly owning beachfront or border property. Could you point me to a link?

Coming to Mexico is easy. WTF are you talking about?

What's sad is that the legal immigrants are being nailed too. There was an article in the paper about a guy who was a legal Mexican immigrant who made $850 a month. His family qualified for government assistance. But because his employer was putting 9 other illegals on this guy's SS#, it looked like he was making $8500 a month and therefore didn't qualify for what he legally should have qualified for.

If they start going after the companies hiring illegals, THEN you'll see the problem right itself. Take the cheese away and the mice will also leave.