ok, I wana do a movie review. I saw bowling for columbine today. Canadian perspective
 

ok, and as I suspected it was low budget.

I'm canadian. I remember having dinner with some americans in flordia and havig them ask me if the stuff about canadians not locking their doors was true. I didn't quite understand what he was askign me, as I always lock my door when I'm leaving my house for any real amount of time (ie several hours) - for insurance purposes. Now after seeing the movie I realize that what he was really asking me is if I lock my door when I'm inside of my house, as this is what Michael moore did - he went upto several houses during the day in Canada and OF COURSE they were open cause the people were home. I don't think I've locked the door when I'm inside my house EVER. I couldn't imagine living with that kind of fear every day and I feel sorry for Americans that live like that.

When I lived in apartments when I was younger and poor and in bad neighborhoods I never locked the door during the day so long as I was home - maybe at night though...but that was mostly to keep people from bardging in when I was sleeping that wanted to go party or such. Locking the door is an alien concept for me when I'm inside a house. I remember being 5 years old and visiting my Grandma for the night and she would make sure she bolted the doors and even then I'd look at her like she was crazy and everyone in the family made fun of her because she did that, but even she always had the house open during the day.


The one point I felt he was wrong on concerning guns in Canada is that YES, Canadians have PILES of guns, but the VAST majority of those guns are rifles and shotguns. They are everywhere and easy to get. Most all of my friends have rifles and shotguns.

BUT

Automtic weapons are VERY difficult to obtain here as are handguns. Mr Moore made it sound liek all canadians had equal amounts of handguns and automatic waepons. NOT TRUE. Just about the only place you'll find people with those weapons is at gun clubs (surprize surprise, that's where he found them)and they have VERY strict rules on how to handle them - psycho rules with stiff penalities. Sure some illegial ones are around, but VERY few, and I mean VERY few. And the ammo for them is hard to get as well unless it's a 22 caliber handgun or something like that that uses the same ammo as a common rifle.

Take away the guns that are designed to kill people (handguns and automatic weapons) and people don't get killed. Very simple but hardly ANYONE ever sees it like that. I have a criminology degree too so I have a little bit of knowledge in that subject as well. - and I AGREE with the canadian policy. Rifles and shotguns are cool and fun and more than adiquate for home protection and defending yourself against a mob or such, but no one really has a need for automatic weapons and handguns cept maybe for police and soldiers.



:2 cents:

:glugglug The bigger Canadian cities have just as much problems with gun related crime and mental instability as the American people.
Our justice system is a joke and the criminals know it.

I have that on VOD i might see it later tonight

Agreed. I feel the same way.

But any weapon can be used to kill people. I think guns are used because they are convenient.

That movie was incredible, a real eye opener into the american culture of guns and fear.

DH

Guns are bad...mmmkay?


Don't forget the other message of the movie. Gun violence is caused by white America's fear of black people.

How was that a movie review?

thus what i was saying about handguns and automatic weapons.

take them away and no problem with guns

it isn't convient to kill someone with a five foot long shotgun or a 4 foot hunting rifle with a big ass scope on it. It's very difficult to do in close quarters and even harder to do from a distance unless you are calm and cool to take aim.

i though the movie was a little bias, but it made some good points,

some americans and american corparations refuse to take responsability for some the gun violence in america,

charlton heston, and dick clark, and kmart, all came off looking like monsters,

and I think they deserved it a little bit,

anyways, im canadien, I always lock my door,

except maybe around the middle of the day when people are in and out of the house, its left open,

i had a crazy woman walk in my house once and start talking to me right in my living room,

but I dont worry about home invasion and random violence,

its jsut not a problem up here like it is in some places in the states,

I worry more about break ins 5 minutes after I leave my house, which happen very often in my area,

it was truely an amazing piece. I just watched it today again. his perception of fear spread by media and gov'ment was quite interesting.

if canada wasn't that fucking cold, I'd emigrate in a second.

yeah - I noticed that. Being Canadian I picked up on that overtone of the movie right away and felt like it was more something that Mr, Moore was imposing on the whole situation that just wasn't true.

As far as I know it's just as easy for a black or a white person to get a gun in the USA most anywhere.

The stats I know say more black people shoot black people than white people so with those kind of statistics I felt that point that Micheal moore was trying to make was really bullshit and just trying to install more hatrid on the NRA that wasn't justified. Not saying the NRA is a good organization, they should be banning handguns and automatic weapons, but personally I don't think they are racist. Sure some members are, but there are dumbass racists in most EVERY organization, black and white.

I did not quite get the part where the cartoon explained the relationship between the NRA and the KKK. Could someone enlighten me?

sounds like an american type statement lol

I remember visiting my parents about 7 years ago and staying the night. I was up late watching TV and some guy walked into the house - doped up and passed me and went down the hall. I asked him who he was and he stopped dead and said he was sorry and had the wrong house and hurried out all ashamed. He walked out and then passed out on the lawn. I called an ambulance for him as he started foaming - otherwize I would have just given him the couch and a blanket.

I didn't quite like the comparision of that either. I felt that was crossing the line of acceptable factual journalism and into the rhelm of talk show bullshit co-incidence sensationalism.

I don't lock my door very often at all. But then again, I don't live in a shitty neighborhood with high crime rates.

lol, yah well I live in the city, so I guess canadien cities are not that far off from american cities,

although I feal safer walking the streets of montreal or toronto than I do in most american or european cities,

in the states I worry is robbed I would be shot,

in canada if robbed I might get beat down,

And WHY you don't lock your doors again?

Canadian Gun control is only a obstacle.. people will always smuggle guns from America the same way our drugs get to them.
Vancouver doesn't get that cold.
It might rain more in the winter than anywhere but today was like 90 degrees

Really? Interesting. I have never had that feeling. Couple months back I was strolling around with some friends in a really shitty part of LA and still wasn't afraid of being shot. I did make sure my wallet was hidden, but I was more worried (hardly) about being beat up than shot.

the guy was very nice about it.

On a per capita basis, Canada has far fewer gun deaths than America, but a much better comparison would be made by comparing America with European or some Asian countries.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...rticleKey=6166

The gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994 by country were as follows:

U.S.A. 14.24

Canada 4.31

Australia 2.65

Italy 2.44

Germany 1.24

England and Wales 0.41

Japan 0.05

The thing I find funny about alot on the left is their policies and rehtoric create problems and then complain about the situation they created.


Heres the thing, who are most of these gun deaths. Black on black crime in the inner city. You can go to any white neighborhood, even if its dirt poor, and its going to be pretty non-violent. Its not the whites that are killing each other on a big scale. I've never even heard a gunshot in any middle class white neighborhood ive ever lived in.

The reason theres not much gun deaths in canada or japan is because its basically one race. Canada is just a bunch of white guys.



So if Moore truly has a problem with the number of gun deaths and wants a solution, then why avoid the obvious. Its because hes a leftist idiot that would never insult one of his bread and butter supporters.

If he really wants to decrease these deaths, then its time for the left to quit using blacks as a pawn and keeping them down.

i live in the US and i almost never lock my doors. BUT i worked in an innner city neighborhood and if it had a lock, we used it as everything got stolen every couple of months.
In the US, inner city poor people are armed. I asked why they shoot so much and the thinking was they needed to practice and test them out. No firing range.

Intresting how the Japanese have so few.

why do doctors in the USA now say that if a home has a gun in it that it's a health risk to the owners of the home - black or WHITE?

You haven't been to Canada have you?
When I went to school it was rare to see a minority.Now it is rare to see white kids .
We are a huge melting pot of every race and color.

I would love to see some statistics on inner-city gun deaths, particularly "projects" and "ghettos". New York, Chicago, D.C... those cities have some BAD areas.

Because it is still a health risk, regardless of color. The problem is people who take those guns away from their homes.

You dont lock your door when you sleep at night?

Geez man, things are much different here.

Folks like Richard Ramirez helped make sure all doors in So Cal are locked at night.

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????????

Wow...I cannot fathom not locking my doors. I live in an upperclass area, yet I still never feel safe. I like many Americans is the owner of a house alarm. My house is without arms other than a 12 gauge, yet I do not feel safe. The fact that everybody is armed to their ears poses a serious threat...We've armed ourselves way more than os necessary for "protection". The majority of people do not see that.

It must be wonderful to live ina place where you never lock your door. I really do envy you. We live in a country of violence, guns, drugs and psychos walking into school's of all ages and races just to hold a few hostages and spill some blood.

It's a sad society when all you hear on the news is killings, fires and drug busts. Why is everything so negative these days?

Ok...that was dreary...thanks for depressing me, Sleazy! :thumbsup

Lets face it. This is the place of violence that everyone fears. The actual city which is a suburb that I live in probably hasn't had a murder in 5 years. But 10 miles a way they kill a person a week or soemthign like that. And they shoot almost every night.

Do you think our gun related deaths is at 14.4 because of in home shootings? I have no statistics, but I'm willing to bet that it isn't. Sure, sometimes it happens, but not near as much as other gun deaths.

Of course a gun sitting at home could pose a health risk. So does Drano. They'll both kill you when not taken care of properly. But that isn't where the gun does its stupid/dirty work. Pissed off people take their guns AWAY from their home and use them.

I grew up in an averaged size city in the mid-west. Everyone had guns of all sorts. Rifles, shotguns, hand guns, you name it. We had several murders in our city... of those murders, I don't remember one shooting. Not one. Plenty of stabbings, drownings, strangulations, etc. But never guns.

It's easy to blame a tragedy on guns. But shouldn't we be getting at the root of the problem? For example, finding out where all these gun deaths are REALLY happening, and then finding out WHY they happen.

The real criminals don't rob shitty neighborhoods. They drive to the good neighborhoods where they can steal jewlry and electronics and cash.

Only junkies rob bad neighborhoods because they aren't pros.

Actually... Toronto, Canada is considered one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world by the United Nations.

http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/toront.../diversity.htm

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This isn't hugsandkisses.com. This is the real world. The news isn't going to show "happy things". Nobody will watch. They always show the terrible tragedies because that's what people eat up. There's a lot more good going on than people tend to realize, you just have to look away from the TV to find it.

Can I be in your movie?

This is true. But how much of our overall crime do you think is done by actual pros?

Yeah but there are so few "pros" that it does nto matter. Try to imagine haking everything you own in the next 24 hours. My whole house would bring like 50 bucks unless you had a serrious moving van.

in canada the news isn't sensationalism about violence every day, and people watch it