London, England is one of the most multicultural cities I've ever been to, it has a population of over 7 million, and England has a per capita gun death rate waaay lower than America.

This further reinforces my point. You claim that the easy availability of Guns in America is responsible for the higher proportion of homicide per capita as compared to other nations.

I on the other hand believe that the higher rate of homicide is caused by numerous social and demographic conditions (urban density being one).

That graph proves that the many factors; including social, political, demographic, etc, lead Americans to commit more crime in general, as well as more murders. I mean, if Americans are committing more crime in comparison to other peoples, is it not to be expected that their homicide rate would be higher too?

(Hope you can understand what I am trying to say. I having trouble trying to express exactly what I want)

These threads are great...

O'Reilly couldn't even stand up to Al Franken.

that's a silly statement

I really don't think London has gun and ammo stores next door to mcdonalds either.

That's like saying America has a huge Asian population but has waaaaay fewer deaths by flying Chinese stars.

Thank you!! I was gonna say what on earth is he talking about lol

I seen the movie this weekend myself and was quite shocked at the number of gun related death's. I was also a little saddened when I heard about all violence and fear that is instilled in American's due to new's source's etc.

I do not always lock my door, however I do at night. Common sense prevails there. If what that film says is true than I feel sorry for the American's that are constantly living in fear.

The association between the KKK and the NRA could be some what misleading, however, I do in fact see some correlation. Even Mr. Heston, blamed the amount of violence on immigrants etc.,.

The best part of that film was when the two students and Mr. Moore fought to have the ammo removed from the K-MART stores. I understand that American's have the right to bare arms, however, I don't think that automatic weapons were around when the constitution was written and furthermore, I don't think that it's necessary to have AK47 assault rifles or M16's and things along those lines.:2 cents:

And just like Chris Rock says, imagine if you had to pay $5,000 for a bullet....

fully automatic weapons are not as easy to come by as you are led to believe

My point was that there are cities in this world that are as multicural as American cities, yet they don't have nearly the rate of gun deaths. It was in response to Odin88s post as to why Japan has so few gun deaths.

Are you simple?

Of course it's much more densely populated.

US - population of 300 million.

UK - population of 60 million, but the whole country's smaller than California.

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toronto has 8.3% blacks, yea you guys are so diversived.

blacks in canada 600,000

blacks in usa 30 million

I think if some of these other countries had the access to guns such as we do, the homicide rate would be way up there as well.

You're amusing.

You're obviously biased, but try to twist arguments and present very selective facts to prove that in fact your bias is the impartial truth. :1orglaugh

The avervage person cannot buy automatic weapons...it takes a special Federal License to buy an automatic weapon.

It's because guns are very difficult to get, and if you're found to possess a gun the jail term is immediately very high.

Funny that.

But people will still deny easy access to guns has any influence on gun crime.

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michael moore is a fucking idiot. he wont express any of his views in the movie directly, he just interviews the people that'll make his case for him. and wheres the other side? he wont show the otherside of any statement made in his movie because that would give the idiots he's targeting more than one option to choose from. i watched the movie twice, and yes, i agree with the fact that the media puts fear into all americans. its what we want to see... they wouldnt show it otherwise.
:321GFY michael moore

guns dont kill people, people kill people
your arguement has been used here in california and now the government tells us which guns we can and cant own. fuck that noise. after they banned the first few guns, it all got out of control. now everything rifle is an "assault rifle" and handguns are next.

I'm not trying to defend him, but he did interview Charelton Heston the President of the NRA.

Yes, yes, yes - we all know that.

Both the left and right do the same thing.

Do you think the population is intelligent enough to see through the bias, or is everyone brainwashed by their respective dogma's?

NRA parrot :1orglaugh

heston has been ill for awhile now, and he no longer heads the nra. michael moore just wanted to ambush him with bs because he came and had a pro gun rally when michael moore and the other idiots were using the school shootings to forward their anti gun movement.

yeah, lets blame the guns for what people do with them. lets ban cars because some old fart passed out and killed a dozen people. when a gun gets banned, the people who use them lawfully and register them are the ones that get them taken away, not the criminals. so banning weapons will do nothing but enable the criminals. dance puppet dance.

Good comeback.

So you're saying you're not an NRA parrot? Are you actually able to think for yourself? Doesn't look like it. :1orglaugh

That's no excuse is it?

"You'll only ever pry my gun out of my cold, dead hands."

Has he broken his promise? :1orglaugh

my point was michael moore targeted him because he knew he'd look foolish. the man has freaking alzheimers, hes not going to be sharp and have good responses. i must have missed the part when moore took hestons gun away from him.... i should go watch it again

In fact cars kill more Americans every year than guns do...so both are instruments of death...and dead is dead...be it by accident or by intention. I for one will not be disarmed.

The last thing we need is any more laws concerning guns.

The solution is ever so easy.

Shoot someone - go to Jail

Life without parole spending every day making big rocks little.

Remove the cable TV / internet access / every other bullshit perc the left has given to inmates.

The same poeple trying to make guns illegal are the ones turning the prison system into a country club, shit for a dirt poor inner city kid, prison is a step up.

Maker prison exactly what is was ment to be - so fucking nasty no one will ever want to be there.

Fuck rehabilitation - PUNISH thosae that break the law

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What the hell does that matter?? Toronto is not ALL of Canada. Toronto is a multi cultural society. Sorry that does not just mean black...

TheKing, I understand that they are not that easy to get, but is it really necessary for common folk to have them?

Yes, when I start shooting while screaming "Dance Motherfucker!"
it just has a better affect than if I could only just shoot one at a time.

You're misinformed.

Homicide Rates (2000)

1 South Africa 50.14
2 Russia 21.40
3 Lithuania 10.00
4 Estonia 9.94
5 Latvia 6.22
6 USA 5.64
7 Spain 2.94
8 Finland 2.86

The US homicide rate is about twice that of the 8th country.

Here are some "similar" countries.

Canada 1.76
UK 1.61

No, you can't. You're probably not familiar with the scientific revolution that began in the 1500's. Welcome to the scientific paradigm.

BTW ... In America, I'm considered an independent though I'm sure anyone right of Stalin is a conservative to you.

Educate me. What is my bias?

If you don't know, there's no hope for you. :2 cents:

Just what I thought. You've re-read what I wrote and decided you have no case.

You wish it was that simple. :1orglaugh

We all have bias. The fact you don't admit your bias makes your posts a running joke. You may post many statistics, but that doesn't prove you have insight. :Graucho

You've already used that line.

3rd time lucky?

Your posts on the other hand...do prove that your nick is the perfect one for you.

It is that simple. I didn't say I'm not biased. I said you had no case as to my bias in this thread. Go ahead. Entertain me. Give me some cut-n-pastes, kid. What selective statistics did I choose?

So far today I've shown that the US has a relatively high homicide rate. Care to tell me what my bias is? That's a fact. I knew you couldn't.

I read it as "U'r an idiot". :)

That was your only point?

Well, congratulations. You made it.

Thanks for the breaking news. :1orglaugh