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DVTimes · 05-24-2016, 04:08 AM

I thought I would share (as much as I can remeber) my experience in porn from when I started to now.

This will include mistakes I have made and I have seen others make.

The first thing I need to point out, is that I am dyslexic. As such my memory is poor, so I may forget to add stuff. But I will do my best.

I forget the age or year I started to get into porn.

It was a mix of seeing the start of the internet and realising from the start that there was opportunists.

I also had a friend who was buying VHS pirated porn. This was (if I remember) before hardcore porn was legal. So people purchased pirated films.

He bought films of a bloke who was in a wheelchair. I was at the time paying two people £40k to just copy the tapes and bring them to his house. He only had a few tapes so when he got raided (he often did) they (the police) could only take a few tapes. He was never sent to prison as he was too disabled.

He told me that him and his mate made home made films and sold them.

I started to film for them.

This gave me several advantages. (1) I could keep the content, so shoots cost me nothing, (2) I knew what content would sell.

So I started shooting pure amature content.

Today you would probably call it chav porn.

I set up a few sites on a system proadult.

The advantage being they hosted it all.

In truth I thought you had to be a computer wiz to host your own site. This was probably my biggest mistake.

I made many sales.

But with proadult I often found the servers crashed for hours if not days. Also if someone had already a proadult password then they had access to all sites including mine.

It was only many many years later I set my own sites up with ccbill. I was always happy with them. Though I hate with a passion there new log in website.

I made too the mistake of rather than one single site, lots of sites. I made great sales, but felt it would have worked better as a single site.

I also promoted sites.

I think anyone who runs a pay site should run promote sites. This is for a few reasons. One, it helps you see what sells. It gives you more income. You can see if your sites sell better than others.

In the early years my mistake was I was lazy. I had realy crappy sites. BUT they got sales. I used to get soooo many sales promoting other sites and with hardly any hits. Looking back I should have had tgp sites and lots of traffic trades. I hate to think how much I could have made. But to be honest I was still making great cash.

I have felt that about 3 or 4 years ago, promoting paysites was pointless. Sales seemed to die. In fact some sites seemed to give up, and others I felt stopped producing content.

For me webcams were and still are easy sales.

Dating used to be good, but to be honest with free dating aps, that has dried up.

While it may be pay sites may still have a few years of life left, one has felt that tubes have got the bulk of affiliate sales.

DVTimes · 05-24-2016, 04:33 AM

In this part I shall explain from my viewpoint the mistakes I feel others have made.

Paul Markham

Paul Markham I think could have been huge on the net. But I think he was for many years simply a photographer supplying magazines with content.

He then sold content on the net cheap.

It was only after many years that he set up his paysite (I felt his domain name sucked).

The truble was he had already sold his content all over, so a site that could have been exclusive no longer was. Also he set it up too late in the day.

Gary - GspotProductions

OK, some of you may think I have a go at this plonka Gary. But I shall be decent to him in this post.

Gary could have made good money years ago.

He started his sites at a good point in time. It was when porn sites still sold.

But in my mind he presumed (and still does) everything. He has never listened to advice. I have never felt that he promoted other sites, as such he did not understand the market.

At the time, the UK market was for good easy sales big i boobed, girl next door (even just topless only sites). These were easy sales. Indeed I got silly sales from promoting such sites.

But amature content sold.

Now what Gary had was a milf, chav, not too attractive woman called Nat. BUT Gary sadly did not understand the market and from the start made several huge mistakes.

(1) Rather than one site he set up somthing like 5. It made no sense as it was just the same content. I suspect if it had been one single site it would have done far better.

(2) Crap design. The sites looked dreadful.

(3) Nat never looked happy and the content was not correct. What would have at the time made the sites sell is if the site was 100% chav. Nat looking happy. Nat in Chav gear. Nat in a run down council estate. Plus (important) other chav female models. Rather than just Nat, have lots of chav models.

If he had done the site right, 6 or 7 years ago he would have made a fortune.

BUT that was then. Sites do not sell with ease as they once did.

Moving to Spain was bizarre and killed the site. The point of girl next door sites is that the customer wants to feel he may bump into the model. So setting up in Spain kills that fantasy.

Sadly Gary believes things will change and his site will start making big sales. I just wish some of you would not keep him believing this as he is simply wasting his time, when he could be doing somthing that may work.

Also him now pretending to be Nat, makes him look foolish.

Ben Dover

Before internet porn Ben Dover was probably the big name in UK porn.

Yet on the net, he seemes to have failed to make any impact.

I think he was more interested in selling DVD's rather than make a move towards the internet.

It seems like its in only recent years he has a website.

It shows that moving from one medium to another can be hard for people to grasp.

DVTimes · 05-24-2016, 04:41 AM

Other mistakes

I have seen a few UK sites close (that were doing well) because rather than pay a model per shoot, the site owner did a 50/50 split with the model.

For whatever reason later the model may deside to stop (such as a new boyfriend for instance). She then wants the site shut, the site then closes.

Often it may seem a good idea to go 50/50 as you can shoot vast content for free. In the long run this can end up more expensive.

DVTimes · 05-24-2016, 04:46 AM

Changing your affiliate syatem

I find nothing more frustrating than sites not sticking to there affiliate system.

In the early days many sites wanted to show off by playing it big and going with Nats.

For small sites, they simply could not afford it, and many went back to ccbill.

But then some ccbill sites wanted to look big and went Nats

Often old links may not work, so you loose sales on work you have done.

But in most cases I just felt I could not be bothered promoting them on there new system.

DVTimes · 05-24-2016, 04:51 AM

Many now do it free

The net is full of babes doing it free.

Example: Naughty Boob Play - May, 2016 - Voyeur Web

This is somthing I think many pay sites forget.

Its the one question a paysite owner should ask themselves. Why would I pay to join your site, when I can see just as good (if not better) for free.

DVTimes · 05-24-2016, 04:57 AM

Its 2016

Its 2016.

In many ways paysites (as they are now) are out of date.

Its a bit like VHS.

Often we forget we are talking about a technology (porn pay site) that is now probably more than 16 years old.

Put it another way, within 16 years I have seen people go from tapes and vhs, to cd's, to dvd's to mp3's, to full net streaming.

Yet we seem to believe that flogging this old system is still new.

We now need to look at how to sell porn in this decade, not of a past decade.

DVTimes · 05-24-2016, 05:04 AM

Why are webcams not getting 1 millions views?

One interesting question I have is why webcams are not hitting 1 million views.

Take chaturbate.com/fiveftcute/

I just checked, they have under 2k in views.

Yet I wonder with so many people promoting sites such as chaturbate, and the fact its free, why they are not getting 1 million or more views per broadcaster.

In my mind it should not be too hard to have 1 million views.

PornWorx · 05-24-2016, 05:56 AM

Not a bad read...thanks

j3rkules · 05-24-2016, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Why are webcams not getting 1 millions views?

One interesting question I have is why webcams are not hitting 1 million views.

Take chaturbate.com/fiveftcute/

I just checked, they have under 2k in views.

Yet I wonder with so many people promoting sites such as chaturbate, and the fact its free, why they are not getting 1 million or more views per broadcaster.

In my mind it should not be too hard to have 1 million views.

Two thousand visitors watching the live show at the same time is not the same thing as the two thousand page views.

CaptainHowdy · 05-24-2016, 06:09 AM

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Paul Markham · 05-24-2016, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes

In this part I shall explain from my viewpoint the mistakes I feel others have made.

Paul Markham

Paul Markham I think could have been huge on the net. But I think he was for many years simply a photographer supplying magazines with content.

He then sold content on the net cheap.

It was only after many years that he set up his paysite (I felt his domain name sucked).

The truble was he had already sold his content all over, so a site that could have been exclusive no longer was. Also he set it up too late in the day.

This is like me telling Lewis Hamilton how to drive.

DVTimes · 05-24-2016, 08:54 AM

The Free Content Model

Before tubes started, most websites would give away vast amounts of photographs and vids for affiliates.

I have always stated this was a huge mistake, as I could never understand why someone would join a site if they had seen the content free already.

Yes, affiliates asked for it. But this was often to fill there free site with content in order to get hits. However the vast amount of hits to free sites will have resulted in sales. One wonders if sales would have been far more if the content had not been given away.

DVTimes · 05-24-2016, 08:59 AM

Content these days is not great

One thing I look at with content, is can the person in the street shoot the same quality as your site.

I have seen sites where the content is no better than someone shooting on there mobile phone.

Today your content needs to be mind blowing.

DVTimes · 05-24-2016, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This is like me telling Lewis Hamilton how to drive.

Not true.

While you were good at the photography/film end of things, what you lacked was an understanding of pay sites.

I am not having a go at you. I have stated that if you had started with a paysite then you would have done well.

So its more like telling Lewis Hamilton not how to drive, but how to fix his car.

Or it could be seen like a hairdresser opening up a hairdressers. Just because you may be a great hairdresser does not mean that you know how to run a hairdressers.

05-24-2016, 04:08 AM	#1
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	From the start to now - my porn site experinces I thought I would share (as much as I can remeber) my experience in porn from when I started to now. This will include mistakes I have made and I have seen others make. The first thing I need to point out, is that I am dyslexic. As such my memory is poor, so I may forget to add stuff. But I will do my best. I forget the age or year I started to get into porn. It was a mix of seeing the start of the internet and realising from the start that there was opportunists. I also had a friend who was buying VHS pirated porn. This was (if I remember) before hardcore porn was legal. So people purchased pirated films. He bought films of a bloke who was in a wheelchair. I was at the time paying two people £40k to just copy the tapes and bring them to his house. He only had a few tapes so when he got raided (he often did) they (the police) could only take a few tapes. He was never sent to prison as he was too disabled. He told me that him and his mate made home made films and sold them. I started to film for them. This gave me several advantages. (1) I could keep the content, so shoots cost me nothing, (2) I knew what content would sell. So I started shooting pure amature content. Today you would probably call it chav porn. I set up a few sites on a system proadult. The advantage being they hosted it all. In truth I thought you had to be a computer wiz to host your own site. This was probably my biggest mistake. I made many sales. But with proadult I often found the servers crashed for hours if not days. Also if someone had already a proadult password then they had access to all sites including mine. It was only many many years later I set my own sites up with ccbill. I was always happy with them. Though I hate with a passion there new log in website. I made too the mistake of rather than one single site, lots of sites. I made great sales, but felt it would have worked better as a single site. I also promoted sites. I think anyone who runs a pay site should run promote sites. This is for a few reasons. One, it helps you see what sells. It gives you more income. You can see if your sites sell better than others. In the early years my mistake was I was lazy. I had realy crappy sites. BUT they got sales. I used to get soooo many sales promoting other sites and with hardly any hits. Looking back I should have had tgp sites and lots of traffic trades. I hate to think how much I could have made. But to be honest I was still making great cash. I have felt that about 3 or 4 years ago, promoting paysites was pointless. Sales seemed to die. In fact some sites seemed to give up, and others I felt stopped producing content. For me webcams were and still are easy sales. Dating used to be good, but to be honest with free dating aps, that has dried up. While it may be pay sites may still have a few years of life left, one has felt that tubes have got the bulk of affiliate sales. __________________ The Affiliate Program

05-24-2016, 04:33 AM	#2
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	In this part I shall explain from my viewpoint the mistakes I feel others have made. Paul Markham Paul Markham I think could have been huge on the net. But I think he was for many years simply a photographer supplying magazines with content. He then sold content on the net cheap. It was only after many years that he set up his paysite (I felt his domain name sucked). The truble was he had already sold his content all over, so a site that could have been exclusive no longer was. Also he set it up too late in the day. Gary - GspotProductions OK, some of you may think I have a go at this plonka Gary. But I shall be decent to him in this post. Gary could have made good money years ago. He started his sites at a good point in time. It was when porn sites still sold. But in my mind he presumed (and still does) everything. He has never listened to advice. I have never felt that he promoted other sites, as such he did not understand the market. At the time, the UK market was for good easy sales big i boobed, girl next door (even just topless only sites). These were easy sales. Indeed I got silly sales from promoting such sites. But amature content sold. Now what Gary had was a milf, chav, not too attractive woman called Nat. BUT Gary sadly did not understand the market and from the start made several huge mistakes. (1) Rather than one site he set up somthing like 5. It made no sense as it was just the same content. I suspect if it had been one single site it would have done far better. (2) Crap design. The sites looked dreadful. (3) Nat never looked happy and the content was not correct. What would have at the time made the sites sell is if the site was 100% chav. Nat looking happy. Nat in Chav gear. Nat in a run down council estate. Plus (important) other chav female models. Rather than just Nat, have lots of chav models. If he had done the site right, 6 or 7 years ago he would have made a fortune. BUT that was then. Sites do not sell with ease as they once did. Moving to Spain was bizarre and killed the site. The point of girl next door sites is that the customer wants to feel he may bump into the model. So setting up in Spain kills that fantasy. Sadly Gary believes things will change and his site will start making big sales. I just wish some of you would not keep him believing this as he is simply wasting his time, when he could be doing somthing that may work. Also him now pretending to be Nat, makes him look foolish. Ben Dover Before internet porn Ben Dover was probably the big name in UK porn. Yet on the net, he seemes to have failed to make any impact. I think he was more interested in selling DVD's rather than make a move towards the internet. It seems like its in only recent years he has a website. It shows that moving from one medium to another can be hard for people to grasp. __________________ The Affiliate Program

05-24-2016, 04:41 AM	#3
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	Other mistakes I have seen a few UK sites close (that were doing well) because rather than pay a model per shoot, the site owner did a 50/50 split with the model. For whatever reason later the model may deside to stop (such as a new boyfriend for instance). She then wants the site shut, the site then closes. Often it may seem a good idea to go 50/50 as you can shoot vast content for free. In the long run this can end up more expensive. __________________ The Affiliate Program

05-24-2016, 04:46 AM	#4
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	Changing your affiliate syatem I find nothing more frustrating than sites not sticking to there affiliate system. In the early days many sites wanted to show off by playing it big and going with Nats. For small sites, they simply could not afford it, and many went back to ccbill. But then some ccbill sites wanted to look big and went Nats Often old links may not work, so you loose sales on work you have done. But in most cases I just felt I could not be bothered promoting them on there new system. __________________ The Affiliate Program

05-24-2016, 04:51 AM	#5
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	Many now do it free The net is full of babes doing it free. Example: Naughty Boob Play - May, 2016 - Voyeur Web This is somthing I think many pay sites forget. Its the one question a paysite owner should ask themselves. Why would I pay to join your site, when I can see just as good (if not better) for free. __________________ The Affiliate Program

05-24-2016, 04:57 AM	#6
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	Its 2016 Its 2016. In many ways paysites (as they are now) are out of date. Its a bit like VHS. Often we forget we are talking about a technology (porn pay site) that is now probably more than 16 years old. Put it another way, within 16 years I have seen people go from tapes and vhs, to cd's, to dvd's to mp3's, to full net streaming. Yet we seem to believe that flogging this old system is still new. We now need to look at how to sell porn in this decade, not of a past decade. __________________ The Affiliate Program

05-24-2016, 05:04 AM	#7
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	Why are webcams not getting 1 millions views? One interesting question I have is why webcams are not hitting 1 million views. Take chaturbate.com/fiveftcute/ I just checked, they have under 2k in views. Yet I wonder with so many people promoting sites such as chaturbate, and the fact its free, why they are not getting 1 million or more views per broadcaster. In my mind it should not be too hard to have 1 million views. __________________ The Affiliate Program

05-24-2016, 05:56 AM	#8
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05-24-2016, 08:54 AM	#12
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	The Free Content Model Before tubes started, most websites would give away vast amounts of photographs and vids for affiliates. I have always stated this was a huge mistake, as I could never understand why someone would join a site if they had seen the content free already. Yes, affiliates asked for it. But this was often to fill there free site with content in order to get hits. However the vast amount of hits to free sites will have resulted in sales. One wonders if sales would have been far more if the content had not been given away. __________________ The Affiliate Program

05-24-2016, 08:59 AM	#13
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	Content these days is not great One thing I look at with content, is can the person in the street shoot the same quality as your site. I have seen sites where the content is no better than someone shooting on there mobile phone. Today your content needs to be mind blowing. __________________ The Affiliate Program