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Loki · 08-16-2010, 09:00 PM

I've been reading this thread since it started, and now I will finally chime in (not that anyone was waiting or will care lol)

SwirlsGirl your posts in this thread are 'radio gold' you're whining that no one seems to care, but you have provided NOTHING but intense vague fragmented sentences, the ONLY thing you've actually spit out so far was that your form hits were the EXACT SAME Number on multiple days. OMFG lemme whip out my tinfoil hat and call my friend Chicken little over to help me put it on........

Oh wait.... CCBILL has already addressed that same issue, stats older then X are GROUP (form hits) so I would not be shocked that stats from 2007 2008 (2-3 years old) that you are sitting in this thread yelling and screaming about would be diff then what you might (and should have) saved copies of.

You have given NO information, only CLAIMS that you have this great smoking gun, so don't be surprised if no one is jumping to your side on this.

Post some info or shut up.

GFY MODS I do believe that this thread is a violation of the rules, SwirlsGirl IS calling CCBILL a scammer, however vague that's STILL the general premise of the thread.

-Loki-

NetHorse · 08-16-2010, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Loki

I've been reading this thread since it started, and now I will finally chime in (not that anyone was waiting or will care lol)

SwirlsGirl your posts in this thread are 'radio gold' you're whining that no one seems to care, but you have provided NOTHING but intense vague fragmented sentences, the ONLY thing you've actually spit out so far was that your form hits were the EXACT SAME Number on multiple days. OMFG lemme whip out my tinfoil hat and call my friend Chicken little over to help me put it on........

Oh wait.... CCBILL has already addressed that same issue, stats older then X are GROUP (form hits) so I would not be shocked that stats from 2007 2008 (2-3 years old) that you are sitting in this thread yelling and screaming about would be diff then what you might (and should have) saved copies of.

You have given NO information, only CLAIMS that you have this great smoking gun, so don't be surprised if no one is jumping to your side on this.

Post some info or shut up.

GFY MODS I do believe that this thread is a violation of the rules, SwirlsGirl IS calling CCBILL a scammer, however vague that's STILL the general premise of the thread.

-Loki-

I'm going to have to agree with this 100%

We aren't "casual readers skimming". I'm willing to bet at least 98% of the real webmasters on here receive a check from CCBILL every week either as a program owner or affiliate. On-top of that some of us do have concerns with issues with CCBILL, (myself being included).

If you have something to share, share it. Don't make 15 posts attacking their integrity and how they "dun fucked up". It's times like this Eric's rule makes the most sense.

Without factual evidence you should not be attacking them or accusing them of anything in this ridiculous excuse for a thread.

I quoted the questionable bullshit below..I think you need to post proof or evidence, now.

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

There is much more I want to add, but before I waste my time and energy, do any of my colleagues want me to go into this any deeper?

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

-snip- it would not negate the fact that we have in our possession the ever elusive rosetta stone.

What would you say if someone announced on TV that a passenger ship called the "scammer" sunk at 2:30 pm but then at 2:45 pm the scammer ship is just showing its first signs of distress...

how do you say transparent?

You would say damn the only one who knew the ship was sinking before it sank was the one responsible for it sinking in the first place!

In other words we are focused on errant ccbill stats reporting, and you veer of course and bring up "missing sales" when no one else made the assertion.

^ Not sure on that one in response of BV, are you accusing him of wrong doing? All he did was post that everything is fine on his end. Unless I'm missing something here, he does not work for CCBILL nor does he represent them.

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Seriously why don't you guys quit while there still time, can anyone else see the panic starting to settle in? I see your post being edited as well, it may be wise for you guys to think fast and speak slow at this point...

Now before this ends badly for you guys, do you want to have another look at my account and just see if it is something that you have been overlooking for the past year?

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Because I certainly have found "some issues" with your "stats reporting" and your integrity!

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

I think we have finally pierced through the ccbill cloak of invincibility!

They fucked up and they know it

You would be surprised to know the clever tactics they employ to cover their tracks.

Now the question becomes is it the entire staff in on the scam or is it just a few insiders, that too we will know soon enough!

Not only is that grounds for a ban but you could be held liable for statements like that.

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Still you know you done fucked up....nothing you can hurl at this point will be able to handle the weight of the truth...

You guys are drunk off your own chicanery and if you think it is something that you can forever conceal... you don't understand the immutable laws of the universe

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

There has been smoke for the better part of a year and no matter how many of you come in and cosign for CCBILL with a whopping 15 gfy post count, or 20 for that matter, hell some of you big boys with 15,000 posts could be schilling for them its hard to say...it will do nothing to change the fact that we now know what we know!

SwirlsGirl · 08-17-2010, 01:38 AM

Without further ado....

Fact 1. On saturday august 14th we are examining stats from past month and noticed a very strange and concerning pattern.
It was only after manually writing down the stats on pieces of paper with columns and laying them side by side on the table examining form hits vs submission percentages vs joins ...this way of viewing ccbill stats gives you a slightly different perspective than viewing stats in the ccbill admin. Try it yourself you will see what we mean.

Fact 2. We decided that it would be worth having a look at identical older stats from previous years because for the most part our sales patterns have had the same peeks and lows over the years, and have been consistent and we felt that data would prove valuable for comparison purposes.

Fact 3. we noticed on saturday that when we tried to pull older reports which have always worked for us in the past that for some reason the stats were displaying incorrectly...Now immediately this was suspect for us because we felt like that looking closely at older data would shed some light on these erratic patterns of late.

follow me so far

Fact 4. A call is placed to ccbill, and asked them before sharing any concerns, "are their any issues going on with stats reporting?" CCBILL rep responds no issues reported at all with stats.

Fact 5. The ccbill rep himself tries to pull the same reports as we did from 2007 and even he acknowledges this is strange, not sure why you are getting these incorrect reports.

Now before I go further since you all feel the need to lecture me, You need to understand that all we as clients have is the word of ccbill and our stats to satisfy our curiosity.

Fact 6. The ccbill rep said he wanted to check into this because he had never seen this before, and could not offer any acceptable reason. He understood completely that when you have INACCURATE STATS REPORTING of any type it is a cause for concern, especially in today's world, and when you are dealing with money...your stats need to be accurate at all times...PERIOD

Fact 7. He assures me that he will talk to some techs and follow up with an email...okay end of discussion.

Fact 8. I Come to my precious GFY family (even though they treat me like the BLACK SHEEP...no pun intended) to find out if this is a local issue with my stats or is anyone else having this issue...

Fact 9. Some GFY members said they had no problem, then some said they did have the same problem.

Fact 10. Mr CCbill Paul Himself comes on GFY and says he is not aware of any problem with stats reporting...

Let's sum this up briefly...

stats Reporting issues discovered by us on saturday 8-14-2010 that none of us webmasters seem to be aware of...

CCbill Paul comes on GFY moments later and claims he is unaware of any stats reporting issues, ccbill Rep on telephone is initially unaware of any stats reporting issues and admits it is indeed strange to be getting erroneous reports and he can certainly understand why one would be concerned...

So we have the ccbill corporate advocate who is always the first to come in address concerns ...nothing wrong with that, he's doing his job right?

He has on numerous occasions assured all of the webmasters that all systems are go and nothing was wrong when many have insisted and still insist something doesn't look right with their stats....

Remember ccbill paul made a total of 3 posts in this thread about how there were no issues with stats reporting... pkay case settled right no issues according to him...

so then we receive the following email from ccbill...

"This is in regard to the phone call you just placed with us.

I spoke with our tier 2 agent, he advised me that the Form Hits report has been filed as a known bug for inaccuracy.

This issue has been known by our Development department for sometime now, and they are trying to isolate why it would sometimes be accurate and sometimes not be accurate.

It was my mistake to think that our reports back then were weekly, but instead it's a bug. I hope was able to address all your concerns."

Now the email explanation seemed plausible at first, but then after further review and break down we reached a few more conclusions...

Fact 11. What we have in our possession is an email from ccbill acknowledging that not only is there a bug/error with stats reporting...BUT this is an issue That the DEVELOPEMENT TEAM has been aware of FOR SOME TIME!!

Okay slow it down a second, now go back and read ccbill paul's second post in this thread...he said at approximately 1:49 pm that he was unaware of any reporting issues!

He said it again three hours later around 5:12 that he would update the thread if he found any stats reporting issues.

Of particular note, the only one who came in during the 3 hour window Between CCBILL Paul's post was ...you guessed it BV the one who always defends CCBILL with such vigor and Zeal .......I mean CCBILL doesn't even defend CCbill as well as BV..

but getting back to the email .... what is quite disturbing to me and still is that the email gave me more questions...

1. SO if you read the letter they are admitting that there is an error with the reports... one that CCBILL PAUL and CCBILL BV are not aware of, nor is the CCBILL phone rep, however the CCBILL DEVLOPEMENT team has been aware of this error for some time.

Not only are they aware of issues with reports but they are clueless as to why sometimes the stats are accurate and sometimes the stats are INACCURATE??

Now sometimes stats are inaccurate and we don't know why...
Now sometimes stats are inaccurate and we don't know why...
Now sometimes stats are inaccurate and we don't know why...

( please excuse my little dose of N.L.P to make the point stick)

Ok well when and how am I supposed to know when the stats are inaccurate or accurate when there is nothing in ccbill admin that says "ERROR" then the CCBill operations specialist is on gfy denying reporting issues exist every chance he gets, the telephone rep, who you would expect to be briefed and up to spec on current bugs,glitches,errors

none of us webmasters know, but you have a tier 2 tech, as well as developement team knowing about this for some time, and can't get it fixed so I can have unfettered access to all my data in my reports

Don't tell me well thats old stats.... now if they are admitting to having known inaccuracies with stats and they don't know why...not only should you be concerned about the accuracy of ALL your stats, but they should explain why they have been telling the dozens and dozens of webmasters who insisted that their stats looked funny that there have been INACCURACIES that they cannot explain

At least it would make them appear to not be hiding or covering up REPORTING ISSUES... They sat back for a year and told all these webmasters who question their stats that nothing is wrong,,,but they let an email slip out that says they do in fact have unexplainable inaccuracies that have been around... I meant ain't that a bitch??@#?

your data is your data, and is relevant and should be accurate and available,if it is not, you should not have to find out on your own while the premier pr person is telling you multiple times there are no issues....then you find out its been ongoing

If CCBILL paul admits he was in the dark about this, how can we know he is not in the dark about other issues or concerns?

I mean I would like to know are the stats inaccurate in days when I have 0% join form submissions with ccbill, but then have moderate sales on back up processors the same day?

At the worst it shows the more answers we get the more questions we have, at best it shows ineptitude and extreme miscommunication by and between ccbill staff .

You cannot say they are beyond reproach and 100% reliable with their data when they just admitted they don't know why there data is sometimes accurate and sometimes not!

if u want to say ccbill paul made a mistake this time, then let HIM admit his mistake if you want to call me a lunatic, nobody is stopping you, but I will know where I stand from this point on with my beloved gfy family

I mean they just admitted on record that there are stats reporting bugs that have been in existance for some time that they have no clue as to how to resolve AND that it causes DATA to be sometimes accurate, and sometimes inaccurate!

To me that is a profound statement, if that does not concern anyone else then I have no use for this place ever again..

Do you know how many webmasters have seemed to just want ccbill to admit what they just admitted in this email??

Bottom line I can't prove that they are engaged in some type of fraud nor did I accuse them...I said they fucked up and put their foot in their mouth!

there is still a lot more questions than answers, am I totally disgruntled with them..No..Have they paid me on time, forever...yes!

Do they have a good reputation...yes

Do many webmasters feel there could be something shady going on...yes

Do many webmasters feel they are square and honest across the board...certainly yes

Have I been burned for 10's of thousands of dollars by multiple processing companies in my career...as well as victim of mortgage fraud, twice...

am I a little overzealous when I smell something fishy with my money...maybe but it is because of the hard lessons I have learned being too trusting with individuals and companies with my money that has cost me more than I wish to remind myself over the years

SwirlsGirl · 08-17-2010, 01:48 AM

With the new CCBILL vulnerabilities thread, Who knows what to think anymore...if half of what that thread mentions about them being vulnerable then maybe they are not culpable for the errant reporting,data insecurity,join credit discrepancies...

nothing slanderous about that, these issues have all been raised, and now that we have a thread discussing how unsecure their secure servers are, then it really needs to be looked into...

If we find out that all of our concerns were generated from unscrupulous hackers then hey I will be the first to come in and eat Crow, believe me I have tasted much worse..but until then they will remain highly suspect to me as are all companies that deal with your money should be to you.

GotGauge · 08-17-2010, 05:08 AM

All this for years ago form hits?
I understand you want to have correct info, but come on.

and sure you can always put the "what If's" like if form hits are messed up the so must be ______________________.

VGeorgie · 08-17-2010, 08:29 AM

What a long-winded post of absolutely nothing.

You got paid for actual joins, didn't you? Nothing in your posts suggests otherwise, so what you're really complaining about is some random reporting error of archived data that no one else in this thread has encountered. I've seen things like this from time to time and they go away all by themselves.

I am sure that every username in my password file has come from a legitimate (i.e. paid) join. No other statistic matters.

You seem to have been in this business long enough to realize that not every support staff member is aware of everything that goes on, or is even competent. You know, the other day I asked a guy at Home Depot where something was and he pointed me to the exact opposite side of the store than he should have. I'm sure he was running some kind of scam.

VGeorgie · 08-17-2010, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Bottom line I can't prove that they are engaged in some type of fraud nor did I accuse them...

Yes you did.

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Now the question becomes is it the entire staff in on the scam or is it just a few insiders, that too we will know soon enough!

SwirlsGirl · 08-17-2010, 09:33 AM

I guess its nothing then... we don't need no stinking accurate stats,and we certainly don't need company reps to have their facts straight,

Who cares as long as you get SOME joins,don't look for inaccuracies or inconsistencies

Who needs their stats to be functioning accurately at all times its only meaningless data that serves no purpose. I need to just be glad that I have some sales.

I need to have full confidence and allegiance in my processing company. Any conflicting or confusing information should always be regarded as miscommunication or human error.

I should quit seeing the billing company as one who should be held accountable to me, I am there to generate processing fees for their staff and never doubt or question things that don't make sense to me.

Imagine if my bank has told me from time to time that my deposits, and withdrawals are inaccurate and they've known about the problem but don't know how to fix it..

my confidence would skyrocket, after all they are a bank and SHOULD BE TRUSTED REGARDLESS or at least given the benefit of the doubt.

meanwhile my friends and family make bank withdrawals and deposits and many say something is off with their transactions... they just don't add up.... but the bank rep is telling everyone there are no issues with transactions being inaccurate...

then you hear from a teller that there is a problem the bank has known about for sometime...but you did not know and the bank rep did not know....

Makes sense now...

"Dr. how accurate is that EKG machine that you are connecting me to..."

"well there are no issues with it ...I would let you know if there were"

"but the nurse just told me the machine gives inaccurate data from time to time and you guys don't know why or how to fix it"

"Yeah but its just heart rate data, you really don't need it to be accurate all the time you know...here take a deep breath and start this treadmill"

VGeorgie · 08-17-2010, 10:17 AM

Complaining about bugs, incompetent support staff, and inadequate reporting tools is one thing. All of these are problems CCBill has.

Suggesting - no ACTUALLY saying - there's some Maleficent working at CCBill involved in a scam is something else.

What you've done is waste everyone's time. And it's not the first.

spunky99 · 08-17-2010, 10:47 AM

please do us all a favor and use a different processor

Joshua G · 08-17-2010, 11:57 AM

LOL at this thread.

News flash - sometimes extremely large databases & programs develop bugs. The bugs can be difficult to locate when you deal with millions of lines of code/matrices.

& big companies don't publish every bug to their customer service dept. Oftentimes bugs lay undiscovered until the customer finds them.

This board is like a retard convention sometimes.

The Porn Nerd · 08-17-2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls

This board is like a retard convention sometimes.

Yeah! And I wanna my mooney back! I paid like 4 ice cream kones for this convention and didn't get my kookie.

dan@noof · 08-17-2010, 12:33 PM

What a gripping tale! I'm on the edge of my seat here.

Will CCBill be outed for inconsistencies in their reporting? Will SwirlsGirl switch to a different processor and leave this mess behind her?

Stay tuned for the next episode of As The Stomach Turns.

08-17-2010, 05:08 AM	#55
GotGauge Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: USA Posts: 3,072	All this for years ago form hits? I understand you want to have correct info, but come on. and sure you can always put the "what If's" like if form hits are messed up the so must be ______________________. __________________ ICQ 22264474 [email protected]

08-17-2010, 10:47 AM	#60
spunky99 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 3,462	please do us all a favor and use a different processor __________________ Spunky Cash - GND Bank - Good Girls Bank - Bliss Bucks - Nuts For Mobile - Daddy I Get Paid To Be A Whore Click Here To Make Money With Spunky - Domains For Sale - ICQ 281841678

08-17-2010, 12:33 PM	#63
dan@noof Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Boulder Posts: 278	What a gripping tale! I'm on the edge of my seat here. Will CCBill be outed for inconsistencies in their reporting? Will SwirlsGirl switch to a different processor and leave this mess behind her? Stay tuned for the next episode of As The Stomach Turns. __________________

08-16-2010, 09:00 PM	#51
Loki Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,420	I've been reading this thread since it started, and now I will finally chime in (not that anyone was waiting or will care lol) SwirlsGirl your posts in this thread are 'radio gold' you're whining that no one seems to care, but you have provided NOTHING but intense vague fragmented sentences, the ONLY thing you've actually spit out so far was that your form hits were the EXACT SAME Number on multiple days. OMFG lemme whip out my tinfoil hat and call my friend Chicken little over to help me put it on........ Oh wait.... CCBILL has already addressed that same issue, stats older then X are GROUP (form hits) so I would not be shocked that stats from 2007 2008 (2-3 years old) that you are sitting in this thread yelling and screaming about would be diff then what you might (and should have) saved copies of. You have given NO information, only CLAIMS that you have this great smoking gun, so don't be surprised if no one is jumping to your side on this. Post some info or shut up. GFY MODS I do believe that this thread is a violation of the rules, SwirlsGirl IS calling CCBILL a scammer, however vague that's STILL the general premise of the thread. -Loki-

08-17-2010, 01:38 AM	#53
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	Without further ado.... Fact 1. On saturday august 14th we are examining stats from past month and noticed a very strange and concerning pattern. It was only after manually writing down the stats on pieces of paper with columns and laying them side by side on the table examining form hits vs submission percentages vs joins ...this way of viewing ccbill stats gives you a slightly different perspective than viewing stats in the ccbill admin. Try it yourself you will see what we mean. Fact 2. We decided that it would be worth having a look at identical older stats from previous years because for the most part our sales patterns have had the same peeks and lows over the years, and have been consistent and we felt that data would prove valuable for comparison purposes. Fact 3. we noticed on saturday that when we tried to pull older reports which have always worked for us in the past that for some reason the stats were displaying incorrectly...Now immediately this was suspect for us because we felt like that looking closely at older data would shed some light on these erratic patterns of late. follow me so far Fact 4. A call is placed to ccbill, and asked them before sharing any concerns, "are their any issues going on with stats reporting?" CCBILL rep responds no issues reported at all with stats. Fact 5. The ccbill rep himself tries to pull the same reports as we did from 2007 and even he acknowledges this is strange, not sure why you are getting these incorrect reports. Now before I go further since you all feel the need to lecture me, You need to understand that all we as clients have is the word of ccbill and our stats to satisfy our curiosity. Fact 6. The ccbill rep said he wanted to check into this because he had never seen this before, and could not offer any acceptable reason. He understood completely that when you have INACCURATE STATS REPORTING of any type it is a cause for concern, especially in today's world, and when you are dealing with money...your stats need to be accurate at all times...PERIOD Fact 7. He assures me that he will talk to some techs and follow up with an email...okay end of discussion. Fact 8. I Come to my precious GFY family (even though they treat me like the BLACK SHEEP...no pun intended) to find out if this is a local issue with my stats or is anyone else having this issue... Fact 9. Some GFY members said they had no problem, then some said they did have the same problem. Fact 10. Mr CCbill Paul Himself comes on GFY and says he is not aware of any problem with stats reporting... Let's sum this up briefly... stats Reporting issues discovered by us on saturday 8-14-2010 that none of us webmasters seem to be aware of... CCbill Paul comes on GFY moments later and claims he is unaware of any stats reporting issues, ccbill Rep on telephone is initially unaware of any stats reporting issues and admits it is indeed strange to be getting erroneous reports and he can certainly understand why one would be concerned... So we have the ccbill corporate advocate who is always the first to come in address concerns ...nothing wrong with that, he's doing his job right? He has on numerous occasions assured all of the webmasters that all systems are go and nothing was wrong when many have insisted and still insist something doesn't look right with their stats.... Remember ccbill paul made a total of 3 posts in this thread about how there were no issues with stats reporting... pkay case settled right no issues according to him... so then we receive the following email from ccbill... "This is in regard to the phone call you just placed with us. I spoke with our tier 2 agent, he advised me that the Form Hits report has been filed as a known bug for inaccuracy. This issue has been known by our Development department for sometime now, and they are trying to isolate why it would sometimes be accurate and sometimes not be accurate. It was my mistake to think that our reports back then were weekly, but instead it's a bug. I hope was able to address all your concerns." Now the email explanation seemed plausible at first, but then after further review and break down we reached a few more conclusions... Fact 11. What we have in our possession is an email from ccbill acknowledging that not only is there a bug/error with stats reporting...BUT this is an issue That the DEVELOPEMENT TEAM has been aware of FOR SOME TIME!! Okay slow it down a second, now go back and read ccbill paul's second post in this thread...he said at approximately 1:49 pm that he was unaware of any reporting issues! He said it again three hours later around 5:12 that he would update the thread if he found any stats reporting issues. Of particular note, the only one who came in during the 3 hour window Between CCBILL Paul's post was ...you guessed it BV the one who always defends CCBILL with such vigor and Zeal .......I mean CCBILL doesn't even defend CCbill as well as BV.. but getting back to the email .... what is quite disturbing to me and still is that the email gave me more questions... 1. SO if you read the letter they are admitting that there is an error with the reports... one that CCBILL PAUL and CCBILL BV are not aware of, nor is the CCBILL phone rep, however the CCBILL DEVLOPEMENT team has been aware of this error for some time. Not only are they aware of issues with reports but they are clueless as to why sometimes the stats are accurate and sometimes the stats are INACCURATE?? Now sometimes stats are inaccurate and we don't know why... Now sometimes stats are inaccurate and we don't know why... Now sometimes stats are inaccurate and we don't know why... ( please excuse my little dose of N.L.P to make the point stick) Ok well when and how am I supposed to know when the stats are inaccurate or accurate when there is nothing in ccbill admin that says "ERROR" then the CCBill operations specialist is on gfy denying reporting issues exist every chance he gets, the telephone rep, who you would expect to be briefed and up to spec on current bugs,glitches,errors none of us webmasters know, but you have a tier 2 tech, as well as developement team knowing about this for some time, and can't get it fixed so I can have unfettered access to all my data in my reports Don't tell me well thats old stats.... now if they are admitting to having known inaccuracies with stats and they don't know why...not only should you be concerned about the accuracy of ALL your stats, but they should explain why they have been telling the dozens and dozens of webmasters who insisted that their stats looked funny that there have been INACCURACIES that they cannot explain At least it would make them appear to not be hiding or covering up REPORTING ISSUES... They sat back for a year and told all these webmasters who question their stats that nothing is wrong,,,but they let an email slip out that says they do in fact have unexplainable inaccuracies that have been around... I meant ain't that a bitch??@#? your data is your data, and is relevant and should be accurate and available,if it is not, you should not have to find out on your own while the premier pr person is telling you multiple times there are no issues....then you find out its been ongoing If CCBILL paul admits he was in the dark about this, how can we know he is not in the dark about other issues or concerns? I mean I would like to know are the stats inaccurate in days when I have 0% join form submissions with ccbill, but then have moderate sales on back up processors the same day? At the worst it shows the more answers we get the more questions we have, at best it shows ineptitude and extreme miscommunication by and between ccbill staff . You cannot say they are beyond reproach and 100% reliable with their data when they just admitted they don't know why there data is sometimes accurate and sometimes not! if u want to say ccbill paul made a mistake this time, then let HIM admit his mistake if you want to call me a lunatic, nobody is stopping you, but I will know where I stand from this point on with my beloved gfy family I mean they just admitted on record that there are stats reporting bugs that have been in existance for some time that they have no clue as to how to resolve AND that it causes DATA to be sometimes accurate, and sometimes inaccurate! To me that is a profound statement, if that does not concern anyone else then I have no use for this place ever again.. Do you know how many webmasters have seemed to just want ccbill to admit what they just admitted in this email?? Bottom line I can't prove that they are engaged in some type of fraud nor did I accuse them...I said they fucked up and put their foot in their mouth! there is still a lot more questions than answers, am I totally disgruntled with them..No..Have they paid me on time, forever...yes! Do they have a good reputation...yes Do many webmasters feel there could be something shady going on...yes Do many webmasters feel they are square and honest across the board...certainly yes Have I been burned for 10's of thousands of dollars by multiple processing companies in my career...as well as victim of mortgage fraud, twice... am I a little overzealous when I smell something fishy with my money...maybe but it is because of the hard lessons I have learned being too trusting with individuals and companies with my money that has cost me more than I wish to remind myself over the years

08-17-2010, 01:48 AM	#54
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	With the new CCBILL vulnerabilities thread, Who knows what to think anymore...if half of what that thread mentions about them being vulnerable then maybe they are not culpable for the errant reporting,data insecurity,join credit discrepancies... nothing slanderous about that, these issues have all been raised, and now that we have a thread discussing how unsecure their secure servers are, then it really needs to be looked into... If we find out that all of our concerns were generated from unscrupulous hackers then hey I will be the first to come in and eat Crow, believe me I have tasted much worse..but until then they will remain highly suspect to me as are all companies that deal with your money should be to you.

08-17-2010, 08:29 AM	#56
VGeorgie Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 359	What a long-winded post of absolutely nothing. You got paid for actual joins, didn't you? Nothing in your posts suggests otherwise, so what you're really complaining about is some random reporting error of archived data that no one else in this thread has encountered. I've seen things like this from time to time and they go away all by themselves. I am sure that every username in my password file has come from a legitimate (i.e. paid) join. No other statistic matters. You seem to have been in this business long enough to realize that not every support staff member is aware of everything that goes on, or is even competent. You know, the other day I asked a guy at Home Depot where something was and he pointed me to the exact opposite side of the store than he should have. I'm sure he was running some kind of scam.

08-17-2010, 09:33 AM	#58
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	I guess its nothing then... we don't need no stinking accurate stats,and we certainly don't need company reps to have their facts straight, Who cares as long as you get SOME joins,don't look for inaccuracies or inconsistencies Who needs their stats to be functioning accurately at all times its only meaningless data that serves no purpose. I need to just be glad that I have some sales. I need to have full confidence and allegiance in my processing company. Any conflicting or confusing information should always be regarded as miscommunication or human error. I should quit seeing the billing company as one who should be held accountable to me, I am there to generate processing fees for their staff and never doubt or question things that don't make sense to me. Imagine if my bank has told me from time to time that my deposits, and withdrawals are inaccurate and they've known about the problem but don't know how to fix it.. my confidence would skyrocket, after all they are a bank and SHOULD BE TRUSTED REGARDLESS or at least given the benefit of the doubt. meanwhile my friends and family make bank withdrawals and deposits and many say something is off with their transactions... they just don't add up.... but the bank rep is telling everyone there are no issues with transactions being inaccurate... then you hear from a teller that there is a problem the bank has known about for sometime...but you did not know and the bank rep did not know.... Makes sense now... "Dr. how accurate is that EKG machine that you are connecting me to..." "well there are no issues with it ...I would let you know if there were" "but the nurse just told me the machine gives inaccurate data from time to time and you guys don't know why or how to fix it" "Yeah but its just heart rate data, you really don't need it to be accurate all the time you know...here take a deep breath and start this treadmill"

08-17-2010, 10:17 AM	#59
VGeorgie Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 359	Complaining about bugs, incompetent support staff, and inadequate reporting tools is one thing. All of these are problems CCBill has. Suggesting - no ACTUALLY saying - there's some Maleficent working at CCBill involved in a scam is something else. What you've done is waste everyone's time. And it's not the first.

08-17-2010, 11:57 AM	#61
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	LOL at this thread. News flash - sometimes extremely large databases & programs develop bugs. The bugs can be difficult to locate when you deal with millions of lines of code/matrices. & big companies don't publish every bug to their customer service dept. Oftentimes bugs lay undiscovered until the customer finds them. This board is like a retard convention sometimes.