Jakez

I would have to say it is the current financial crisis, period.

I always see people blaming the tubes or people ripping members areas and putting them on file sharing sites.

I do agree the tubes are doing a lot of harm, but people are converting tube ads at equal ratios to any other site. The problem is that no one has money to be paying $30/mo for PORN, and the people that do are the ones signing up.

If the population wasn't so strapped for cash right now we would be seeing amazing numbers IMO. Think about the huge boom of people going online. Even 60+ year old people are emailing and facebooking now.

The only thing I really see wrong with tubes is the fact that they came along at the same time as this financial crisis, which is a major double whammy since they are an easy solution for peoples low funds and their need for a porn fix.

But even still, sales are still there if you want them bad enough. Yeah you can't throw a banner up and make 20 sales but if you know what you're doing then you shouldn't have anything to complain about.

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Scrubbing, free content, and banks changing rules on overdrafting.

Just like surfers have evolved over the years to ignore banners, etc, now they're learning how to avoid having to pay for porn.

BFT3K

Lack of wind?

Jakez

The point I'm trying to get at is.. people act like or even say that there will be next to no sales in porn a few years down the road. Which is crazy, sure there will always be problems that arise and hurt sales, but there will always be people paying for porn online, otherwise there would be no one shooting it and then there would be a demand for new porn that isn't outdated.

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The people I talk to say, to much Free porn and they don't trust online porn companies (can't stop billing, overcharging, pre-checked cross sales, ect....)

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lately another reason for declining sales is that many sponsors are not reporting sales due to the fact that they have financial problems. If sales/conversions suddenly drop and nothing is changed on your part then this could be sponsors trying to scam you/us..

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if you aren't making sales you aren't promoting a good site and you aren't working hard enough. it isn't the year 2000 you actually have to do something today.

Matyko

what he said

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Dirty Dane

Global economy is the main reason. Piracy is an addon. So is lack of content protection, alternative payment methods and price adaption.

Wiredoctor

There are a gfew reasons,
The complete oversaturation of available free porn.
The shaving, cheating sponsors.
The cc scrubbing which increases due to CC cheating.

OK well those are a few of the Major reasons, and there are more.

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It's the perfect storm: tighter card regulations, saturation of ripped content, recession, "socialized" sense of content entitlement, etc.

It may be very challenging but I'm sure the industry will adapt and manage to come out ahead.

I am an optimist: The best days are still up ahead.

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Come on, everything isn't that bad

JBlack

I blame 4chan and seriously.... tubes that give away full length stuff... any1 been to youjizz lately? They have more content than any paysite out there n all free, any niche, everyday all day.

Surfers dream right thur...

raymor

Sales are down not just for porn, but for cars, music, restaurants, and everything else.
So free porn is not the problem.

In 2008, the US had the subprime mortgage "crisis", which was $180 billion in risky mortgages.
That caused the growth of sales to slow from 6%-7% per year to 2%-3%. Some jack ass decided
to spend a two TRILLION dollars trying to fix that $180 billion problem, $2 trillion OUR money.
That's about $10,000 per tax payer! What happens when you take $10,000 from someone?
He's broke and can't buy shit. Sales go down.

Bush was a blabbering idiot in a lot of ways, but his response kind of made sense - people are
having trouble paying their mortgages, to the tune of about $180 billion, so let's give them
back some of their money, he figured. He gave us back $145 billion via tax cuts so hopefully
we'd be able to pay our mortgages. Since it's the government, it wasn't done well, so the
growth of sales was slow in 2008. That's basically what economists mean when they say
"the economy grew at 3% last year" - that sales are up 3% overall.

When Obama took people's money away, they could buy less stuff and sales went down.
In 2009, sales overall (GDP) was down for six months in a row, and that's the definition
of a recession. This quarter sales may be starting to turn around, but we each have $10,000
in new debt courtesy of the morons in Washington. We need to get $10,000 each in new sales
in order to offset the $10,000 in additional taxes that are being used required to pay for "deficit stimulus".
perfect wording - the only thing it stimulated was the deficit because the $2 trillion was given
to Obama allies like ACORN, rather than to people like you and me trying to run a business.

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Amount of free content. If anybody tells you different, they're talking out their ass.

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cherrylula

oversaturation

Amputate Your Head

Lack of money.

The Ghost

Not sure why anyone keeps trying to blame the "financial crisis" on any lowered sales. During hard times vices do better, not worse. The availability of free porn that a surfer can get off to, that's the only thing that matters.


Not everyone's suffering financially

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the whole economy is in the shitter.

Agent 488

that is a myth that doesn't apply to this financial crisis. even vice sales numbers are down, las vegas is hurting etc.

Stephen

While there are many factors contributing to the prolonged decline of adult, the big one today is the overall economic climate, which is further slowing "the summer slowdown"

chronig

Do you really need to make this fucking thread every day??? Seriously... just shut the fuck up already... don't you all realize that every single fucking thing that any of you have said has been said a million times over the past few years?! STFU !!! and if you really need to, go read the threads from yesterday, a week ago, a month ago, a year ago and each and every day in between.

Amputate Your Head

Maybe the people that you say aren't suffering are also not the ones who buy porn.

Pandemos

I'm not convinced free content is the main reason for a decline in sales. Let's face it, nobody has had trouble finding free porn online for over a decade now. Sure there's more of it today, particularly video content, but it was no more difficult for a guy to get something to inspire a free wank in 2000 than it is in 2010.

A guy signs-up to a porn site because it gives him regular access to particular content that appeals to him. However few guys go online with the intention of finding porn to pay for. They go online, see something they like and decide they want more of it. The specificity of whatever they saw on that site that appealed to them determines how likely they are to subscribe.

For example, if a guy goes to, say, http://www.schokomaus.com and figures he likes latex, he can search around and find lots of free latex content. If he decides he specifically likes the look of Lady Schokomaus in latex, he can probably find something for free, but he'll be much more inclined to subscribe to her site because it's the easiest way to get lots of exactly what he wants right then and on an ongoing basis.

The point is that it doesn't matter how much free stuff is out there because sealing the deal on a sale has always been about guys seeing something very specific in your site that they want more of.

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Loch

In 2000 people were bitching the same song and dance.
Sales are dead, free content everywhere etc

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I've been saying the same thing for thirteen years - quit complaining about free content and
go get busy making money. It is a bit different now, though, in that for the first time since the
1979 energy crisis sales are down significantly worldwide. People complain every month, but
these are in fact the worst months in 30 years. In 2008 I told our employees that if a) Obama
was elected and b) he actually did what he said he was going do and attack business head on,
we would go out of business by the end of his first term. We was elected and he has attacked.

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If you've been to Vegas lately you'd see that isn't necessarily true. Just hit the strip on a weekend. Full tables with high minimums. Casinos are loving it since they were able to lay off a ton of dead weight and rake it in with skeleton crews. But heck who knows how much of the money being spent is from people not making their mortgage payments.


One thing is for certain, people will ALWAYS want to be entertained. They need the escape. Most guys need to cum everyday. Some multiple times a day. But with all the free ways to get off porn is now thought of more and more as a right. Expected for free and easily dismissed until the next time the surfer is horny. The scariest thing nowadays is the backlash towards creators. That they shouldn't be rewarded for their works (scientists, musicians, inventors, athletes, entertainers, etc). That there some arbitrary amount of money that should be enough.


The over saturation of porn just pushes more people into niches faster. Generally the older you get the kinkier you get, the more you experiment. The same things that once got you off no longer do. This is where we've done well. A surfer who is a fan of a certain style/site, wants the newest content or just doesn't want to search is still a customer.

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5 million credit card accounts closed or lost open credit.givivg away more free porn lessens value

The Ghost

Consumers (once-upon-a-time known as purchasers) of porn are men from all walks of life, 18-60+, breathing and can still get their dick hard (or want to try). No difference in affluence. They want to see their fantasy and get off to it.


If they can always fulfill their fantasy for free, however that means, they are not customers. They might possibly be again someday since they are still consuming something to get them off (stories, photos, movie samples, tube movies, torrents, Victoria's secret catalog, whatever). As long as they can find fulfillment for free they are not customers.


One thing is certain; a breaking point will be reached between supply and demand. People always want to see something new and it will find balance.

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crazytrini85

In no order of importance.

1) Most of your sites suck. Most of you have no idea what you are selling and in todays world, you must know or the consumer will catch on that you're a fraud.

2) Most of your sites suck. Reused, over-saturated porn chicks, same ideas, generic porn or stupid ideas that are not sexy, will result in poor sales.

3) Social Media. You can fap to MySpace, Facebook and just about any other network these days.

4) Shady billing practices have scared away the loyal porn consumers.

5) Free porn. There is simply too much of it.

6) Did I mention most of your sites suck?

7) Massive loss of credit cards.

8) Slow global economy.

9) Your sites suck.

10) Too much fucking free porn.

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marketsmart

how many programs stopped paying affiliates in 2000?

how many companies went out of business in 2000?

the people that continue to use the "people have been saying this for years" routine will most likely be out of business in the next few years because they cant accept reality..

reality is that its a combination of things..

i have talked to now less then 50 people about tube sites and they answer is almost always the same.. they say that the content on tubes is adequate to jerk off too and most dont want to spend the money for a site unless its something unique like a certain fetish..

they dont trust porn companies when it comes to fucking them on billing. every person i have ever talked to about billing have all said they had problems cancelling memberships or got cross sale'd with or without their knowledge.. not one person has ever said that they never had some type of billing problem.

of course the biggest factor right now seems to be the economy. the average guy is worried about losing his job or has had his salary cut. guys that had no problem spending their entire monthly check on bills and fun are now trying to build up a little bit of savings..

i see more and more companies (mainstream brick & mortar) going out of business everyday. this shit economy could possibly take 10 years to recover from if it recovers at all. these are new challenges and i think people are going to have to get very creative if they want to continue in business..



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Loch

Not many as they were not ripping cards for 300-500 bucks on a $1 trial
Those programs were never hurt by the tubes as they ran solely by ripping off their clients....less signups, well lets just kick up the illigal xsales

MC/Visa finally put a stop to that and they died off, some becourse they could not pay their bills, others as they could not pay affiliates and therefor died slowly anyways.

Im saying the same thing as you and i agree with the rest of your comments.
But saying that a lot of free content is the sole reason is just plain wrong, that would mean surrendering to something you can do absolutely nothing about so lets just close shop right now!

70% of my livelyhood is selling content in one form or another, and im doing twice the amount of business if not more between January 2008 till this day.
Now why is that?
Surely not becourse i gave up

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It's a combination of things, but most people over complicate the issue. Illegal tube sites are the problem, plain and simple. Most people will not pay for things they can get for free.

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marketsmart

i agree.. free content is not the sole reason...

you also state because you havent given up.. thats what its all about.. the smart people and the hard workers will survive and in some cases prosper..

my dad always told me that out of chaos comes opportunity for those that are prepared..



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Vjo

Tubes..

On the Stern show they were talking about a tube site with around 1000 niche categories (every niche I ever heard of and many I hadn't even heard of) and maybe 250 movies per category. I looked and it's true. 1/4 million movies. They were raving about how great this site was. They were right.

So there ya go. Maybe if all the paysites combine they can compete with this one free site.

DaddyHalbucks

1. Tubes, torrents, file sharing services, and free content
2. Barack Hussein Obama, and the 200 Obamas in Congress who have destroyed our economy

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3 reasons...

recession hurts everyone. But that dosnt stop the pornaddicts

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Why buy when everyone knows POrnhub rather than thehun nowadays...



Thats why...

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You have a point but there's always been free content since the rise of "clean" TGPs/MGPs and RS/MU-driven forums

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Very good point re site quality. Most sites are feeder-driven sites and keyword snipers. Maybe if people built brandable, personality-driven, socially viral sites aimed at "authority" they would have more traffic and more influence with surfers

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#1. Lack of innovation
#2. Giving too much away for free
#3. Shady business practices

(in that order)

PastorSinAlot

People are fucking broke.
People that use to have money do not.
So you can blame tubes, Bush, Iran etc
the 2004 millionaire is has a EBT card now

TeenCat

as with everything else, for example ... if you come to festival today, there is not much people as three years back. because there is much more festivals, and you cant go everywhere. next thing is, if you make festival with known faces, people will be not going to see the same every year. think

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And what a lot of you shitheads don't realize is there's a big difference between 'free content' before 2007 if you spent more than 10 minutes searching for it and had a brain, and EACH AND EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF PR()N PRODUCED readily available for any type of clown, computer literate or not, right off google, 2010.

Rochard

Why the fuck do you all beat this to death?

It's a fucking recession!

Why are sales down? Because more than half of the twenty houses on my street are fucking empty because they can't afford to pay their bills and are now homeless. Because 11 restaurants in a two mile radius of my house have closed.

Fucking idiots.

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#3 is a big factor. Shady sponsors, as well as shady affiliates jacking sales