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Morgan · 01-03-2003, 04:59 PM

I have 3 or 4 exclusive videos for sale. We have changed some things and will not be using them. Below is a linkn to screen caps of one of the videos. I will post the others as I get to them. All the videos are 30+ min.

Sequential screen caps of Melody Sweet

$500.00 for this video (DV tape + Model Release)

Sequential screen caps of Cassie Young

$550.00 for this video (DV tape + Model Release)

multisexsite · 01-03-2003, 05:07 PM

Are all the vids similiar to this one?

grumpy · 01-03-2003, 05:12 PM

same question here...if youre intrested multisexsite maybe we can do something together ?

Morgan · 01-03-2003, 05:15 PM

Yes, the are all like that

Snake Doctor · 01-03-2003, 05:50 PM

Is there an amateur site around that hasn't boned Cassie yet? That bitch got around quick

Morgan · 01-03-2003, 05:51 PM

I know of a couple but not too many. Where have you seen her?

Morgan · 01-03-2003, 06:29 PM

I will post the other 2 videos tomorrow...

homegrownmof · 01-03-2003, 06:50 PM

Ganja,

I'll take them both. Please email me at

moffitt at homegrownvideo dot com.

Hope you have copies of ID as well.

Thanks,

Moffitt

PaulSweet · 01-03-2003, 06:54 PM

They both look good. nice job.

grumpy · 01-03-2003, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by homegrownmof
Ganja,

I'll take them both. Please email me at

moffitt at homegrownvideo dot com.

Hope you have copies of ID as well.

Thanks,

Moffitt

wanna share?

Morgan · 01-03-2003, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by homegrownmof
Ganja,

I'll take them both. Please email me at

moffitt at homegrownvideo dot com.

Hope you have copies of ID as well.

Thanks,

Moffitt

I just emailed you from my office email addy. Yes I have the copies of thier ID's as well as the model releases. Let me know if your interested in the other 3. Two of them have anal.

Snake Doctor · 01-04-2003, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
I know of a couple but not too many. Where have you seen her?

Socalcoeds, Cumfiesta, Bimbosinlimos, and I know I've seen her one or two more places but I can't think of them right now.

Normally over a period of a few months you'll see a girl on a handful of different sites, but for some reason this gal got added by everyone in the same week.

Mutt · 01-04-2003, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by Lenny2
Is there an amateur site around that hasn't boned Cassie yet? That bitch got around quick

yup she sure does get around. here's a test shot Cassie did for Wanton. unfortunately she didn't sell, too old for my guys. what a world, this girl is like what, 23? 24? And she's now consigned to MILF-dom.

Morgan · 01-04-2003, 01:00 PM

According to her driver's liscence she has been 18 for about 6 months now. maybe you should check that next time you do a shoot!

Mutt · 01-04-2003, 01:08 PM

doesn't matter to me if they're 18 or 30, it's the clients who decide if the models are 'teen' material.

wouncie · 01-04-2003, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
I have 3 or 4 exclusive videos for sale. We have changed some things and will not be using them. Below is a linkn to screen caps of one of the videos. I will post the others as I get to them. All the videos are 30+ min.

Sequential screen caps of Melody Sweet

$500.00 for this video (DV tape + Model Release)

Sequential screen caps of Cassie Young

$550.00 for this video (DV tape + Model Release)

I'll score em too (If I can get them in mini DV format) when will u post the anal ones up?

ICQ me or hit me at:
[email protected]

Morgan · 01-04-2003, 01:22 PM

Mutt -

your hilarious!

Quote:

Originally posted by wouncie

I'll score em too (If I can get them in mini DV format) when will u post the anal ones up?

ICQ me or hit me at:
[email protected]

2 of the other 3 are pretty much already sold. 1 is still avail. I will post samples of it later...

Mutt · 01-04-2003, 01:33 PM

it's weird, in real life 18 year old chicks want to look 25. in porn 25 year olds wanna look 18 or younger.

look at Gauge, to me she looks like a chimpanzee, but she looks like 16 so she's a major pornstar.

ok maybe a chimpanzee is a little harsh, she does look like like one of those rubber troll dolls though.

Morgan · 01-04-2003, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
it's weird, in real life 18 year old chicks want to look 25. in porn 25 year olds wanna look 18 or younger.

look at Gauge, to me she looks like a chimpanzee, but she looks like 16 so she's a major pornstar.

ok maybe a chimpanzee is a little harsh, she does look like like one of those rubber troll dolls though.

I agree.. she does look like a primative rubber troll... ON HEROIN!

Morgan · 01-04-2003, 08:37 PM

here's another one... there are 2 more avail and will be posted on monday.

This video also has anal.
Sequential screen caps of Taylor Lynn

$600.00 for this video (DV tape + Model Release)

AOLGuy · 01-04-2003, 09:21 PM

Man... and to think I could have shot Taylor Lynn myself and done the deed for only $200 ($50 more for anal) - plus she lives only 10 minutes from me.

That is the crazy thing--lately you see a lot of So. Cal girls get in, make a quick blitz for cash, and get out.

Sad thing is, the price lowers quite fast when they hit a few of the sites then realize the demand is substantially lower.

Why invest the money to shoot her when I can just join an affiliate program of one of the many sites that shot her, use some of the promo content, and earn a commission on each sale?

My only real compromise is having to look at said content rather than the "experience" of shooting it myself, but then again--and I mean this with no disrespect--but do I really want to know that I am physically going where Ed Powers, Cum Karaoke, Eye-Cum, and countless others have before?

Morgan · 01-04-2003, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AKFK
Man... and to think I could have shot Taylor Lynn myself and done the deed for only $200 ($50 more for anal) - plus she lives only 10 minutes from me.

That is the crazy thing--lately you see a lot of So. Cal girls get in, make a quick blitz for cash, and get out.

Sad thing is, the price lowers quite fast when they hit a few of the sites then realize the demand is substantially lower.

Why invest the money to shoot her when I can just join an affiliate program of one of the many sites that shot her, use some of the promo content, and earn a commission on each sale?

My only real compromise is having to look at said content rather than the "experience" of shooting it myself, but then again--and I mean this with no disrespect--but do I really want to know that I am physically going where Ed Powers, Cum Karaoke, Eye-Cum, and countless others have before?

Bullshit, she wont shoot for that price. I know her VERY well and see her EVERY day. Whoever told you that is FULL OF SHIT. oh ya, and if you live 10 min from her then either your my neighbor or you live 20 min from me.

You have no clue guy...

quiet · 01-04-2003, 10:00 PM

you guys are funny...

Morgan · 01-04-2003, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
you guys are funny...

You would know quiet. Do you think a good looking model is going to do a full sex scene for 200 and anal for another 50 bucks??

quiet · 01-04-2003, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

You would know quiet. Do you think a good looking model is going to do a full sex scene for 200 and anal for another 50 bucks??

if she's been around, very unlikely. if she's new, you can (sometimes) get very low prices...

Morgan · 01-04-2003, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

if she's been around, very unlikely. if she's new, you can (sometimes) get very low prices...

Better start looking for some newer talent I guess. hehe

AOLGuy · 01-04-2003, 10:38 PM

I will have to find the original email, but I have a price list from four months ago or so listing $150 for oral, $200 for a sex scene, and $250 for anal for website work.

It is from her AOL address. Kinda sad, but if you check her AOL homepage it is dated a year earlier and announces some engagement and moving away and the like--funny how things change.

Currently in So. Cal, I keep hearing $100-$150 as standard for oral and not much more for sex. I know girls both new and old who are actively soliciting work tell me that these are the $ figures they hear all the time.

And it keeps getting lower--what girls will do it for mostly dictates what people pay.

Makes me think I grossly overpaid when I started out...

I also have noticed that by spending 10 minutes on the phone with a model, being polite, and if she is new, mentioning there is no pressure to shoot whatever she isn't comfortable with, makes the prices drop DRAMATICALLY.

It has gotten to the point I have most willing to do solo posed shots as a straight trade or content split, or for a very low flat fee.

Most days, my promo and admin work is done by 11am, so I have no problem spending a decent amount of time to talk to a potential model. From what I have been told (and would naturally assume), this is not the norm. I will maybe decide to shoot 1 in 5, and some back out or change their mind, but I would rather take that approach than paying double to not have made them feel at ease.

Sadly, I get calls from lots of "experienced" girls who have worked for quite a few sites, and they tend to come towards the end of the month.

When rent is due, you wouldn't believe the bargain basement priced offers I get. I don't even answer my phone then--it is just not a good scene.

Maybe Taylor raised her rates back up, but she seems to be on almost every site in the pro-am circuit--not sure exactly what the value would be for someone to shoot her when she has done it all already, everywhere else.

It is nothing even against her, it is just the nature of the biz. I keep trying to explain that to new girls who contact me, but if you get overexposed (no pun intended) you lose most value rather fast.

Unless you get mainstream video work, no girl can make a month to month living in this biz modelling in front of the camera--not unless she does her own site and has a piece of the profit.

It would be wise for someone like Taylor to retire from shooting elsewhere, do her own site now where she is exclusive, and not only make money from memberships, but by linking to the content she has shot and earning a lucrative backend % in affiliate referrals.

AOLGuy · 01-04-2003, 11:02 PM

And while I do not knock those who make a living doing it, I can get girls to work for far less if I assure them:

1. I am not going to sell the content I shoot, unless I get out of the biz.

2. I am not going to use it on TGPs, plaster it out there with spam, or make it so the entire world knows they are doing porn.

Neither are in the model release, but having mentioned it as an aside tends to make it seem less risky and less of a compromise to them.

Thus far, I have been able to make a good living without having to resort to either.

And, per above, were someone to think I was a total fucking cheapskate--I do often bump the session pay up if someone really does invest a good amount of time and it is cool to work with.

Raw Production · 01-04-2003, 11:36 PM

QUOTE]I will have to find the original email, but I have a price list from four months ago or so listing $150 for oral, $200 for a sex scene, and $250 for anal for website work. [/QUOTE]

So tell me have you ever worked with Taylor before or are you going off a list you have...

boneprone · 01-05-2003, 12:40 AM

if anyone here sells shit like this that is non exclusive other than adultcontent.ca and wants to work with the family hit me up.

[email protected]

Mutt · 01-05-2003, 02:52 AM

i ask this question all the time to anybody in the business of producing content cuz i really wanna know the truth. I trust the two guys who shoot for me, i don't think there are two guys who shoot more content than these guys, they are shooting practically 7 days a week. I'm a Jew, I don't like to pay top dollar for ANYTHING so I'm always asking my guys about the model fees, can I get girls cheaper. I've spoken to video guys who do tell me they can get girls for cheap.

But my guys say it's a shitty way to do business, you get a bad reputation amongst the models and you will eventually fuck yourself up. Those prices are nowhere near the prices girls who work for Wanton Girls get. Plus my guys work mostly through agencies so we are able to get some good treatment when the new fresh faces arrive. My guys won't cut out an agency on their fee which is $75 standard.

But if the girls are stupid enough to sell their asses for $100 or $200 bucks for an anal scene that's their choice. Nobody will ever hire them for more, they'll be cannon fodder.

I want to hire Taylor Rain, really cute teen looking girl, it's minimum $700 plus $75 for ONE straight vaginal sex scene. That's what both my guys say. Are there guys better connected or sleazier who can hire this girl for $300 or $400 bucks? I dunno. It sounds to me like it might be so.

But anyway, when you shoot as much as my guys do, it pays to have a good reputation cuz fresh new models are needed practically every day and there really aren't as many cute girls as people think out there willing to do this kind of work. If the pool of cute girls in LA is 100 at any given time, just think of all the video and web companies shooting content now - that's why you see Cassie's and Lexie's on every site you bump into.
Girls who work for cheap will be overexposed within a month.
Even girls who don't work for cheap become overexposed but no on websites, those girls work for the Anabolics, the Evil Angels etc
and become name pornstars. Those girls can then parlay their name into a paysite, feature dancing money etc.
Montreal seems to be the same way now , i see the same Quebec girl faces on site after site.

When RKMedia and OxCash come to California to shoot, all the girls want to shoot for them because they pay the going rate, i'm assuming the same price we pay.

I don't know what quiet pays for girls to do scenes for his site but Aurora Snow ain't doing video for anything less than full price. quiet do you buy total ownership to your movies or do these guys retain video rights while you get exclusive Internet rights? maybe it's a friend of hers and she'll work cheaper but i doubt it, she's pretty sharp for a porn girl.

it does gnaw at me, the whole price thing, cuz i really don't know who's full of shit and who's telling the truth.

Mutt · 01-05-2003, 02:56 AM

hopefully soon i'll have lots of stuff for non-exclusive license Boneprone.

Cirrus · 01-05-2003, 03:06 AM

$250 per anal scene? Where are you getting these girls from?

AOLGuy · 01-05-2003, 08:19 AM

I think there are a lot of girls out there curious about working in the biz. Some may even be curious about shooting b/g and have only done posing.

In cases where it is *not* a pressing money issue, comfort means more than the rate you pay.

If a girl is desperate for cash, well, we see why Max Hardcore can find models on a regular basis.

I have never met a girl who had a set in stone fee. Even if I don't hire someone, I will try to negotiate with them, and it always comes down significantly. Especially for website stuff, and especially if we have had a decent rapport.

I never did shoot Taylor Lynn, because my content is aimed at a savvier amateur audience that would have known it was bullshit if they had seen her on my site.

I would rather spend the time weeding out all the wanna-be porn stars who call me, in search of the girls who ultimately aren't going to shoot for very many people. Not only are their prices lower, but there is much more value in the content I shoot since no other sites will have it.

I dealt with agencies when I first started, and it made less sense to pay the extra fees and the like and have a guarantee that the girl would be everywhere. Met some cool people, but wasn't worth it.

I wish I had more of a budget or need to shoot right now--even if I were willing to travel just California, I could be shooting many girls who have never worked in the biz before paying $150-$250 a scene. If I travelled the country, could probably find enough new girls to do it on an ongoing basis.

Though I will say that prices go up a tad outside of So. Cal--down here, the competition is insane.

I pay a bit more when I shoot in Northern California, and I am shocked to hear stories from models who have shot with other companies up there--there are few standards, no loosely knit group, and word rarely gets around about a bad site or photographer. Rather unfortunate, if you ask me... probably gets a lot of girls out as soon as they get in.

AOLGuy · 01-05-2003, 08:24 AM

Mutt - If you are bankrolling that much shooting on a regular basis, hire a girl or really easygoing guy to co-ordinate for your photography team. Then place an ad in the OC Weekly.

I think you would be shocked how much you will save if you paid someone $250-350 a week to talk to each girl on the phone and hold their hand through things while keeping a booking schedule.

You will not be paying $700 per scene, and he or she can weed out the diamonds in the rough.

Mutt · 01-05-2003, 08:38 AM

my guys do put ads in papers sometimes but you don't get a steady stream of girls from it they say, good girls anyway. Plus according to them it's a LOT of time spent on the telephone with maybe 1 out of 100 calls resulting in anything. That's why agencies have their place, you need 3 new faces, send an email, and you got new faces to choose from.

going outside of Socal is good, prices drop because there is less competition and the girls in cities without a structured porn industry have no frame of reference to compare what the going rate for whatever they're being asked to do.

Nysus · 01-05-2003, 08:44 AM

I have to agree that what AKFK makes a lot of sense. Though, I am also sure there are a lot of people looking for purely porn stars..

AKFK, could you contact me on ICQ? 129060301, thanks.

Cheers,
Matt

Loch · 01-05-2003, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

I agree.. she does look like a primative rubber troll... ON HEROIN!

Funny shit, i was thinking just that LOL

Mutt · 01-05-2003, 01:07 PM

doh...........i thought AKFK was talking about Cassie when he was quoting some email where the girl would due anal for $250.

I showed my video guy the thread, he said Cassie definitely wouldn't work for cheap, try $700, maybe $600 at the lowest, and i don't think he was talking about anal.

he was telling me lots of stories, man there are alot of cockholsters in that business. One guy he tells me shoots scenes with two camera setups. He sells version one to whatever studio will buy the scene for some really stupid low price like $200, then the other version shot of the same scene he sells to a website as exclusive.

This goes on in the still photo biz too, shoot a large set on a model, sell the even numbered images as exclusive to one client odd numbered ones to another. Technically the photographer can stick to that it's exclusive and custom, each image is only going to one customer.

sexpress · 01-05-2003, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt
This goes on in the still photo biz too, shoot a large set on a model, sell the even numbered images as exclusive to one client odd numbered ones to another. Technically the photographer can stick to that it's exclusive and custom, each image is only going to one customer.

Well that is really a fucked up way of doing business!

AOLGuy · 01-05-2003, 01:51 PM

I have found that sometimes I can mention those more exploitative scenarios to book a girl for a flat session fee rather than hourly.

Because if I paid a girl by the hour, you bet your ass she would show up, we would start taking pics, video, and keep running through setups until I felt like I was earning a 400% return on what I was shooting by selling the content.

If I tell a girl that we are going to shoot 4 posed sets, or whatever the breakdown is, we can agree on a flat fee ahead of time. If it goes long or she is nervous and it takes awhile, I do not have to pay any extra. Nor do I have any incentive to rush through things and get lesser results.

I was never approached by Cassie...

Lately, I am seeing a rather high turnover amongst girls making the rounds with the So. Cal websites. Most can only get so much work before they are considered "used up," and if they don't get into more mainstream videos, that is pretty much it.

From an objective viewpoint, it would make more sense for them to do one really good shoot with NastyDollars or BangBus, where they may even be able to bring their own male talent, and make solid money for one scene, rather than collect a few hundred here and there from the same sites every girl works with.

It has become my instinct if I meet a new girl who hasn't really shot for anyone yet and I get along with her on a friendship level, I really want to disuade her from getting into the circuit and trying to make this her career.

I would hazard a guess that most girls make $2500 or so max from hitting the regular sites (though I would think some who do more extreme acts could probably get it up to $5000). This is of the regular So. Cal-based independent websites only mind you...

Last I heard from a model, BangBus was paying $2000 per scene.

Still, what are we talking about before they can't make a living at it anymore just by modelling? 2-3 months tops? Kinda sad, really.

Hence, if a girl is cool and seems to have her head on straight (which is rare), she would stand to make more in the long run by doing her own amateur-style site that was run and promoted properly. She would just get the money over the course of a few weeks and months, rather than upfront.

But of course, most girls need quick cash ASAP, and it comes down to how much they are compromising to get it.

Per my point above, the less of a compromise they feel like it is, the less their price tag is. I think some sites really don't care how their models feel, and while I do not obsess over it, I can say that my absolute worst shoots were the ones where the girl was just trying to make some quick cash and came into the situation almost shut off.

I know what we do, I know what business we are in, but still, I at least like it to be pleasant for the mostpart...

But on the opposite end, I respect the balls of sites like SoCalCoeds who use a fee they pay the girls in their marketing, or DumbPigs who is just mean, mean, mean (but having shot some of those girls, part of me can't help but admire it).

I know the atmoshperes we shoot in and the means we market them in can be night and day different, but I wonder if the more direct "behind the scenes" approach entices the savvier surfer more than selling a fantasy.

Pipecrew · 01-05-2003, 02:05 PM

500 is pricey for those videos..

Morgan · 01-05-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by Pipecrew
500 is pricey for those videos..

So you can get me shoots like this cheaper??? Lets do this then. show me some samples.

Pipecrew · 01-05-2003, 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

So you can get me shoots like this cheaper??? Lets do this then. show me some samples.

I could get 2 shoots for this price, but if I showed people how, Then I wouldnt be getting them anymore

01-03-2003, 04:59 PM	#1
Morgan Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Corona Del Mar, CA Posts: 10,520	Exclusive video content for sale cheap I have 3 or 4 exclusive videos for sale. We have changed some things and will not be using them. Below is a linkn to screen caps of one of the videos. I will post the others as I get to them. All the videos are 30+ min. Sequential screen caps of Melody Sweet $500.00 for this video (DV tape + Model Release) Sequential screen caps of Cassie Young $550.00 for this video (DV tape + Model Release) __________________ PornstarPlatinum.com \| TransErotica.com Last edited by Ganjasaurus; 01-03-2003 at 05:44 PM..

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multisexsite Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 929	Are all the vids similiar to this one?

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Morgan Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Corona Del Mar, CA Posts: 10,520	I will post the other 2 videos tomorrow... __________________ PornstarPlatinum.com \| TransErotica.com

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homegrownmof Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: SD, CA Posts: 408	Ganja, I'll take them both. Please email me at moffitt at homegrownvideo dot com. Hope you have copies of ID as well. Thanks, Moffitt

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Morgan Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Corona Del Mar, CA Posts: 10,520	According to her driver's liscence she has been 18 for about 6 months now. maybe you should check that next time you do a shoot! __________________ PornstarPlatinum.com \| TransErotica.com

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	doesn't matter to me if they're 18 or 30, it's the clients who decide if the models are 'teen' material. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-04-2003, 01:33 PM	#18
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	it's weird, in real life 18 year old chicks want to look 25. in porn 25 year olds wanna look 18 or younger. look at Gauge, to me she looks like a chimpanzee, but she looks like 16 so she's a major pornstar. ok maybe a chimpanzee is a little harsh, she does look like like one of those rubber troll dolls though. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-04-2003, 08:37 PM	#20
Morgan Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Corona Del Mar, CA Posts: 10,520	here's another one... there are 2 more avail and will be posted on monday. This video also has anal. Sequential screen caps of Taylor Lynn $600.00 for this video (DV tape + Model Release) __________________ PornstarPlatinum.com \| TransErotica.com

01-04-2003, 09:21 PM	#21
AOLGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,261	Man... and to think I could have shot Taylor Lynn myself and done the deed for only $200 ($50 more for anal) - plus she lives only 10 minutes from me. That is the crazy thing--lately you see a lot of So. Cal girls get in, make a quick blitz for cash, and get out. Sad thing is, the price lowers quite fast when they hit a few of the sites then realize the demand is substantially lower. Why invest the money to shoot her when I can just join an affiliate program of one of the many sites that shot her, use some of the promo content, and earn a commission on each sale? My only real compromise is having to look at said content rather than the "experience" of shooting it myself, but then again--and I mean this with no disrespect--but do I really want to know that I am physically going where Ed Powers, Cum Karaoke, Eye-Cum, and countless others have before?

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quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	you guys are funny... __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

01-04-2003, 10:38 PM	#27
AOLGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,261	I will have to find the original email, but I have a price list from four months ago or so listing $150 for oral, $200 for a sex scene, and $250 for anal for website work. It is from her AOL address. Kinda sad, but if you check her AOL homepage it is dated a year earlier and announces some engagement and moving away and the like--funny how things change. Currently in So. Cal, I keep hearing $100-$150 as standard for oral and not much more for sex. I know girls both new and old who are actively soliciting work tell me that these are the $ figures they hear all the time. And it keeps getting lower--what girls will do it for mostly dictates what people pay. Makes me think I grossly overpaid when I started out... I also have noticed that by spending 10 minutes on the phone with a model, being polite, and if she is new, mentioning there is no pressure to shoot whatever she isn't comfortable with, makes the prices drop DRAMATICALLY. It has gotten to the point I have most willing to do solo posed shots as a straight trade or content split, or for a very low flat fee. Most days, my promo and admin work is done by 11am, so I have no problem spending a decent amount of time to talk to a potential model. From what I have been told (and would naturally assume), this is not the norm. I will maybe decide to shoot 1 in 5, and some back out or change their mind, but I would rather take that approach than paying double to not have made them feel at ease. Sadly, I get calls from lots of "experienced" girls who have worked for quite a few sites, and they tend to come towards the end of the month. When rent is due, you wouldn't believe the bargain basement priced offers I get. I don't even answer my phone then--it is just not a good scene. Maybe Taylor raised her rates back up, but she seems to be on almost every site in the pro-am circuit--not sure exactly what the value would be for someone to shoot her when she has done it all already, everywhere else. It is nothing even against her, it is just the nature of the biz. I keep trying to explain that to new girls who contact me, but if you get overexposed (no pun intended) you lose most value rather fast. Unless you get mainstream video work, no girl can make a month to month living in this biz modelling in front of the camera--not unless she does her own site and has a piece of the profit. It would be wise for someone like Taylor to retire from shooting elsewhere, do her own site now where she is exclusive, and not only make money from memberships, but by linking to the content she has shot and earning a lucrative backend % in affiliate referrals.

01-04-2003, 11:02 PM	#28
AOLGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,261	And while I do not knock those who make a living doing it, I can get girls to work for far less if I assure them: 1. I am not going to sell the content I shoot, unless I get out of the biz. 2. I am not going to use it on TGPs, plaster it out there with spam, or make it so the entire world knows they are doing porn. Neither are in the model release, but having mentioned it as an aside tends to make it seem less risky and less of a compromise to them. Thus far, I have been able to make a good living without having to resort to either. And, per above, were someone to think I was a total fucking cheapskate--I do often bump the session pay up if someone really does invest a good amount of time and it is cool to work with.

01-04-2003, 11:36 PM	#29
Raw Production Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 2	QUOTE]I will have to find the original email, but I have a price list from four months ago or so listing $150 for oral, $200 for a sex scene, and $250 for anal for website work. [/QUOTE] So tell me have you ever worked with Taylor before or are you going off a list you have... Last edited by Raw Production; 01-04-2003 at 11:46 PM..

01-05-2003, 12:40 AM	#30
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	if anyone here sells shit like this that is non exclusive other than adultcontent.ca and wants to work with the family hit me up. [email protected] __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

01-05-2003, 02:52 AM	#31
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	i ask this question all the time to anybody in the business of producing content cuz i really wanna know the truth. I trust the two guys who shoot for me, i don't think there are two guys who shoot more content than these guys, they are shooting practically 7 days a week. I'm a Jew, I don't like to pay top dollar for ANYTHING so I'm always asking my guys about the model fees, can I get girls cheaper. I've spoken to video guys who do tell me they can get girls for cheap. But my guys say it's a shitty way to do business, you get a bad reputation amongst the models and you will eventually fuck yourself up. Those prices are nowhere near the prices girls who work for Wanton Girls get. Plus my guys work mostly through agencies so we are able to get some good treatment when the new fresh faces arrive. My guys won't cut out an agency on their fee which is $75 standard. But if the girls are stupid enough to sell their asses for $100 or $200 bucks for an anal scene that's their choice. Nobody will ever hire them for more, they'll be cannon fodder. I want to hire Taylor Rain, really cute teen looking girl, it's minimum $700 plus $75 for ONE straight vaginal sex scene. That's what both my guys say. Are there guys better connected or sleazier who can hire this girl for $300 or $400 bucks? I dunno. It sounds to me like it might be so. But anyway, when you shoot as much as my guys do, it pays to have a good reputation cuz fresh new models are needed practically every day and there really aren't as many cute girls as people think out there willing to do this kind of work. If the pool of cute girls in LA is 100 at any given time, just think of all the video and web companies shooting content now - that's why you see Cassie's and Lexie's on every site you bump into. Girls who work for cheap will be overexposed within a month. Even girls who don't work for cheap become overexposed but no on websites, those girls work for the Anabolics, the Evil Angels etc and become name pornstars. Those girls can then parlay their name into a paysite, feature dancing money etc. Montreal seems to be the same way now , i see the same Quebec girl faces on site after site. When RKMedia and OxCash come to California to shoot, all the girls want to shoot for them because they pay the going rate, i'm assuming the same price we pay. I don't know what quiet pays for girls to do scenes for his site but Aurora Snow ain't doing video for anything less than full price. quiet do you buy total ownership to your movies or do these guys retain video rights while you get exclusive Internet rights? maybe it's a friend of hers and she'll work cheaper but i doubt it, she's pretty sharp for a porn girl. it does gnaw at me, the whole price thing, cuz i really don't know who's full of shit and who's telling the truth. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-05-2003, 02:56 AM	#32
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	hopefully soon i'll have lots of stuff for non-exclusive license Boneprone. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-05-2003, 03:06 AM	#33
Cirrus Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: www.Reyko.com Posts: 1,145	$250 per anal scene? Where are you getting these girls from? __________________ Reyko.com - exclusive glamour production icq:35570298

01-05-2003, 08:19 AM	#34
AOLGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,261	I think there are a lot of girls out there curious about working in the biz. Some may even be curious about shooting b/g and have only done posing. In cases where it is not a pressing money issue, comfort means more than the rate you pay. If a girl is desperate for cash, well, we see why Max Hardcore can find models on a regular basis. I have never met a girl who had a set in stone fee. Even if I don't hire someone, I will try to negotiate with them, and it always comes down significantly. Especially for website stuff, and especially if we have had a decent rapport. I never did shoot Taylor Lynn, because my content is aimed at a savvier amateur audience that would have known it was bullshit if they had seen her on my site. I would rather spend the time weeding out all the wanna-be porn stars who call me, in search of the girls who ultimately aren't going to shoot for very many people. Not only are their prices lower, but there is much more value in the content I shoot since no other sites will have it. I dealt with agencies when I first started, and it made less sense to pay the extra fees and the like and have a guarantee that the girl would be everywhere. Met some cool people, but wasn't worth it. I wish I had more of a budget or need to shoot right now--even if I were willing to travel just California, I could be shooting many girls who have never worked in the biz before paying $150-$250 a scene. If I travelled the country, could probably find enough new girls to do it on an ongoing basis. Though I will say that prices go up a tad outside of So. Cal--down here, the competition is insane. I pay a bit more when I shoot in Northern California, and I am shocked to hear stories from models who have shot with other companies up there--there are few standards, no loosely knit group, and word rarely gets around about a bad site or photographer. Rather unfortunate, if you ask me... probably gets a lot of girls out as soon as they get in.

01-05-2003, 08:24 AM	#35
AOLGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,261	Mutt - If you are bankrolling that much shooting on a regular basis, hire a girl or really easygoing guy to co-ordinate for your photography team. Then place an ad in the OC Weekly. I think you would be shocked how much you will save if you paid someone $250-350 a week to talk to each girl on the phone and hold their hand through things while keeping a booking schedule. You will not be paying $700 per scene, and he or she can weed out the diamonds in the rough.

01-05-2003, 08:38 AM	#36
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	my guys do put ads in papers sometimes but you don't get a steady stream of girls from it they say, good girls anyway. Plus according to them it's a LOT of time spent on the telephone with maybe 1 out of 100 calls resulting in anything. That's why agencies have their place, you need 3 new faces, send an email, and you got new faces to choose from. going outside of Socal is good, prices drop because there is less competition and the girls in cities without a structured porn industry have no frame of reference to compare what the going rate for whatever they're being asked to do. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-05-2003, 08:44 AM	#37
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	I have to agree that what AKFK makes a lot of sense. Though, I am also sure there are a lot of people looking for purely porn stars.. AKFK, could you contact me on ICQ? 129060301, thanks. Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

01-05-2003, 01:07 PM	#39
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	doh...........i thought AKFK was talking about Cassie when he was quoting some email where the girl would due anal for $250. I showed my video guy the thread, he said Cassie definitely wouldn't work for cheap, try $700, maybe $600 at the lowest, and i don't think he was talking about anal. he was telling me lots of stories, man there are alot of cockholsters in that business. One guy he tells me shoots scenes with two camera setups. He sells version one to whatever studio will buy the scene for some really stupid low price like $200, then the other version shot of the same scene he sells to a website as exclusive. This goes on in the still photo biz too, shoot a large set on a model, sell the even numbered images as exclusive to one client odd numbered ones to another. Technically the photographer can stick to that it's exclusive and custom, each image is only going to one customer. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-05-2003, 01:51 PM	#41
AOLGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,261	I have found that sometimes I can mention those more exploitative scenarios to book a girl for a flat session fee rather than hourly. Because if I paid a girl by the hour, you bet your ass she would show up, we would start taking pics, video, and keep running through setups until I felt like I was earning a 400% return on what I was shooting by selling the content. If I tell a girl that we are going to shoot 4 posed sets, or whatever the breakdown is, we can agree on a flat fee ahead of time. If it goes long or she is nervous and it takes awhile, I do not have to pay any extra. Nor do I have any incentive to rush through things and get lesser results. I was never approached by Cassie... Lately, I am seeing a rather high turnover amongst girls making the rounds with the So. Cal websites. Most can only get so much work before they are considered "used up," and if they don't get into more mainstream videos, that is pretty much it. From an objective viewpoint, it would make more sense for them to do one really good shoot with NastyDollars or BangBus, where they may even be able to bring their own male talent, and make solid money for one scene, rather than collect a few hundred here and there from the same sites every girl works with. It has become my instinct if I meet a new girl who hasn't really shot for anyone yet and I get along with her on a friendship level, I really want to disuade her from getting into the circuit and trying to make this her career. I would hazard a guess that most girls make $2500 or so max from hitting the regular sites (though I would think some who do more extreme acts could probably get it up to $5000). This is of the regular So. Cal-based independent websites only mind you... Last I heard from a model, BangBus was paying $2000 per scene. Still, what are we talking about before they can't make a living at it anymore just by modelling? 2-3 months tops? Kinda sad, really. Hence, if a girl is cool and seems to have her head on straight (which is rare), she would stand to make more in the long run by doing her own amateur-style site that was run and promoted properly. She would just get the money over the course of a few weeks and months, rather than upfront. But of course, most girls need quick cash ASAP, and it comes down to how much they are compromising to get it. Per my point above, the less of a compromise they feel like it is, the less their price tag is. I think some sites really don't care how their models feel, and while I do not obsess over it, I can say that my absolute worst shoots were the ones where the girl was just trying to make some quick cash and came into the situation almost shut off. I know what we do, I know what business we are in, but still, I at least like it to be pleasant for the mostpart... But on the opposite end, I respect the balls of sites like SoCalCoeds who use a fee they pay the girls in their marketing, or DumbPigs who is just mean, mean, mean (but having shot some of those girls, part of me can't help but admire it). I know the atmoshperes we shoot in and the means we market them in can be night and day different, but I wonder if the more direct "behind the scenes" approach entices the savvier surfer more than selling a fantasy.

01-05-2003, 02:05 PM	#42
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	500 is pricey for those videos..