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NETbilling · 05-27-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

and what is your position on accepting these gf type sites ? i am assuming by your statement netbilling looked at the site and approved it despite the fact the "theme" of the site involves unverified age content ?

We do not bill for that site actually now.

BigDeanEvans · 05-27-2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

Your intentions were pretty clear to point a finger at us.

Or maybe a wakeup call to monitor the sites you bill for? Ignorance isnt an excuse. One quick look at some of those sites it pretty clear the girls are underage.

ShellyCrash · 05-27-2010, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDeanEvans

Or maybe a wakeup call to monitor the sites you bill for? Ignorance isnt an excuse. One quick look at some of those sites it pretty clear the girls are underage.

And while I agree in part, I feel the need to point out the site we are talking about here is Kinkygfs.com:

http://kinkygfs.com/main.php

Now as someone who has purchased legal Ex-GF content, I see some content on this page that I know is legally shot.

Legally obtained may be another story- especially since their 2257 link now goes to a dead page (it didn't cross my mind to take a screen cap yesterday). Some of the producers of that content post here and me be able to verify if it was paid for, but that aside- for this url in particular- I don't see any red flags.

Remember, the gateway is just that. Netbilling isn't the merchant account. And this site reasonably appears to be legit.

Now let's take a look at another one:

http://www.myalternativegf.com/t1/index.php

Some of the chicks on this tour I know for a fact are underage. Juxtaposing 15 year old girls on a page that shows full penetration is just wrong.

I'd like to think that even to the untrained eye most can spot the difference, and as industry professionals I really hope everyone on this board sees it too.

We can police this by choosing who we do business with. I believe in Netbilling and I don't think they did anything wrong, so I will continue to support them, but I'll never work with the other guys because I've told them REPEATEDLY they've got kids on their site and they've done nothing about it. They hit me up once on ICQ around 5am EST and asked me which girls to remove and they never replied back.

LickMyBalls · 05-27-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

We do inspect every site after it passes the Visa approval to make sure it is up to our standards as well.

What's your standards?

Jaytown · 05-27-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

And while I agree in part, I feel the need to point out the site we are talking about here is Kinkygfs.com:

http://kinkygfs.com/main.php

Now as someone who has purchased legal Ex-GF content, I see some content on this page that I know is legally shot.

Legally obtained may be another story- especially since their 2257 link now goes to a dead page (it didn't cross my mind to take a screen cap yesterday). Some of the producers of that content post here and me be able to verify if it was paid for, but that aside- for this url in particular- I don't see any red flags.

Remember, the gateway is just that. Netbilling isn't the merchant account. And this site reasonably appears to be legit.

Now let's take a look at another one:

http://www.myalternativegf.com/t1/index.php

Some of the chicks on this tour I know for a fact are underage. Juxtaposing 15 year old girls on a page that shows full penetration is just wrong.

I'd like to think that even to the untrained eye most can spot the difference, and as industry professionals I really hope everyone on this board sees it too.

We can police this by choosing who we do business with. I believe in Netbilling and I don't think they did anything wrong, so I will continue to support them, but I'll never work with the other guys because I've told them REPEATEDLY they've got kids on their site and they've done nothing about it. They hit me up once on ICQ around 5am EST and asked me which girls to remove and they never replied back.

You are exactly right, I have seen most all the girls on the tour in gf content packs for sale as well and I would be willing to bet that the people they bought it from COULD post here to verify it if they wanted to. They really are pointing the finger at the wrong site for sure cause if you look at the other site you listed then it becomes VERY obvious that there is a HUGE difference in content that is VERY questionable. Btw their 2257 page is fine for me.

SmokeyTheBear · 05-27-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

We do not bill for that site actually now.

that wasn't the question

*hint the question was in the part you quoted

4 posts up

MaDalton · 05-28-2010, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaytown

You are exactly right, I have seen most all the girls on the tour in gf content packs for sale as well and I would be willing to bet that the people they bought it from COULD post here to verify it if they wanted to. They really are pointing the finger at the wrong site for sure cause if you look at the other site you listed then it becomes VERY obvious that there is a HUGE difference in content that is VERY questionable. Btw their 2257 page is fine for me.

i can only say that our stuff that i see on Kinkygfs was legally bought from us and we also shot additional exclusive content for them. Of course including all 2257, IDs etc.

ShellyCrash · 05-28-2010, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i can only say that our stuff that i see on Kinkygfs was legally bought from us and we also shot additional exclusive content for them. Of course including all 2257, IDs etc.

This is what I'm talking about. Thanks Ma.

Obviously they didn't buy all ther content, or we wouldn't be having this convo, but to those of us who know compiant ex-gf content this site appears - at least on the surface - to be doing things legit.

DatingGold · 05-28-2010, 10:32 AM

You should be banned and you should apologize. We all know what your intentions were by starting this thread.

It's the unprofessional clients that hinder upstanding businesses not the other way around.

NETbilling · 05-28-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DatingGold

You should be banned and you should apologize. We all know what your intentions were by starting this thread.

It's the unprofessional clients that hinder upstanding businesses not the other way around.

Thank you. You know we run a tight and very ethical ship here.

Robbie · 05-28-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Listen those of us in the teen and solo girl niche know far more about this dirty little secret called EX-GF than any of you know nothings. In fact I think I know who this girl actually is, I was shown her 2 years ago and googled and traced her myspace page - Orlando, Florida.

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i can only say that our stuff that i see on Kinkygfs was legally bought from us and we also shot additional exclusive content for them. Of course including all 2257, IDs etc.

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

This is what I'm talking about. Thanks Ma.

Obviously they didn't buy all ther content, or we wouldn't be having this convo, but to those of us who know compiant ex-gf content this site appears - at least on the surface - to be doing things legit.

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Originally Posted by DatingGold

You should be banned and you should apologize. We all know what your intentions were by starting this thread.

It's the unprofessional clients that hinder upstanding businesses not the other way around.

Come on guys...who do you expect the GFY Court Of Mob Lynchings to believe? Mutt or you bunch of "know nothings"?

BigDeanEvans · 05-28-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DatingGold

You should be banned and you should apologize. We all know what your intentions were by starting this thread.

It's the unprofessional clients that hinder upstanding businesses not the other way around.

I don't think he should.

People need to start being held accountable, and if we don't police ourselves the whole industry will go to shit (not like it isn't already!)

People who are processing for this CP and people pushing this CP need to be brought into the spotlight and run out of business and thrown in jail...or both.

Jack Sparrow · 05-28-2010, 12:00 PM

People like mutt and bigdeanevans should be banned for bullshit like this. Pointing fingers at the wrong people all the time, then backing out.

You guys should get your act straight, and bully the REAL
criminals.

But wait, much easier to bitch around and act like a pimp keyboardwarrior for the bunch of trolls right?

Ps mutt checkout www.imobileporn.com i added some full lenght user submitted videos for you lol.

sperbonzo · 05-28-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

with all that said I still don't get how it's obviously possible to set up sites with stolen, underage content and no one seems to care (of the parties involved). And no one seems to be responsible either.

and then we (as the industry) wonder that some people do their best to bring us down

do you realize how difficult it is to watch for changes on the 10s of thousands of pages of content that the average gateway, or processor deals with? When someone goes to get an account, they present a URL, with logins and links to all their pages. Someone from the compliance department goes through every single page, and the underwriting process continues on to approval.
Then, once they are up, if you have someone going through every link, of every page, of every website, of every merchant in your portfolio, once a month, or once a week, it is pretty easy for someone to slip in a link or a page that doesn't get picked up in the screening. In fact, if even one of the AFFILIATES, of one of the websites, of one of your merchants, had CP content, you are also named in one of these types of actions.

You guys seem to think that it's easy to keep track of a million or so pages of links and content on even a weekly basis??? With all the best of intentions, it can happen to almost anyone in the billing, or for that matter, the hosting business.

.

BigDeanEvans · 05-28-2010, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mrfrisky

People like mutt and bigdeanevans should be banned for bullshit like this. Pointing fingers at the wrong people all the time, then backing out.

You guys should get your act straight, and bully the REAL
criminals.

But wait, much easier to bitch around and act like a pimp keyboardwarrior for the bunch of trolls right?

Ps mutt checkout www.imobileporn.com i added some full lenght user submitted videos for you lol.

Banned for what? Stating the obvious?

Look, All im saying is that they should police the sites they bill for more carefully, and if people are putting up pictures of very young looking girls without proper docs, they should come down.

DO YOU DISAGREE WITH THOSE 2 STATEMENTS?

BigDeanEvans · 05-28-2010, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDeanEvans

Banned for what? Stating the obvious?

Look, All im saying is that they should police the sites they bill for more carefully, and if people are putting up pictures of very young looking girls without proper docs, they should come down.

DO YOU DISAGREE WITH THOSE 2 STATEMENTS?

bump for

BigDeanEvans · 05-28-2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

do you realize how difficult it is to watch for changes on the 10s of thousands of pages of content that the average gateway, or processor deals with? When someone goes to get an account, they present a URL, with logins and links to all their pages. Someone from the compliance department goes through every single page, and the underwriting process continues on to approval.
Then, once they are up, if you have someone going through every link, of every page, of every website, of every merchant in your portfolio, once a month, or once a week, it is pretty easy for someone to slip in a link or a page that doesn't get picked up in the screening. In fact, if even one of the AFFILIATES, of one of the websites, of one of your merchants, had CP content, you are also named in one of these types of actions.

You guys seem to think that it's easy to keep track of a million or so pages of links and content on even a weekly basis??? With all the best of intentions, it can happen to almost anyone in the billing, or for that matter, the hosting business.

.

Look, these pages haven't changed. If they took 2 seconds to look over those sites they would know what the deal is

I'm not saying they knew there was underage content, but they certainly in my opinion turned a blind , with a ton of other webmasters.

NETbilling · 05-28-2010, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

do you realize how difficult it is to watch for changes on the 10s of thousands of pages of content that the average gateway, or processor deals with? When someone goes to get an account, they present a URL, with logins and links to all their pages. Someone from the compliance department goes through every single page, and the underwriting process continues on to approval.
Then, once they are up, if you have someone going through every link, of every page, of every website, of every merchant in your portfolio, once a month, or once a week, it is pretty easy for someone to slip in a link or a page that doesn't get picked up in the screening. In fact, if even one of the AFFILIATES, of one of the websites, of one of your merchants, had CP content, you are also named in one of these types of actions.

You guys seem to think that it's easy to keep track of a million or so pages of links and content on even a weekly basis??? With all the best of intentions, it can happen to almost anyone in the billing, or for that matter, the hosting business.

.

You are absolutely correct Michael. We all do the best job we can.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-29-2010, 12:09 AM

Dean, can you contact me on icq?

martinsc · 05-29-2010, 01:14 AM

spunky99 · 05-29-2010, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

You are absolutely correct Michael. We all do the best job we can.

are you saying you've never been told about site's using your service using questionable content?

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-29-2010, 03:21 AM

Should we sue the banks they are wiring the money to too?
Maybe point some fingers at the designers of those sites?

SmokeyTheBear · 05-29-2010, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

You know we run a tight and very ethical ship here.

i wasn't "calling you out" by asking the question above that you did not answer. Obviously no processor/merchant/biller has the ability to monitor every file , every doc on a pornsite, and i certaintly wasn't suggesting you were neglecting it, BUT the theme of the site you said netbilling approved is content without age verification. Do you feel comfortable in the future approving sites who's theme is unverified content ? I would feel a tad uneasy calling myself "ethical" if i wasn't at the very least covering the basics

crazytrini85 · 05-29-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bro Media

Should we sue the banks they are wiring the money to too?
Maybe point some fingers at the designers of those sites?

When it comes to minors everyone should be held accountable.

If everyone involved can't or won't take the time to look into sites that they know are questionable, then that speaks volumes about them as a company and the business as a whole, be it a bank, processor, host or gateway.

crazytrini85 · 05-29-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Obviously no processor/merchant/biller has the ability to monitor every file , every doc on a pornsite

Of course not. But they CAN monitor very closely the sites that seem to be problematic, such as these. It is better than sticking their head in the sand and claiming they are unable (more like unwilling) to look into it. It means more work, but that is what it takes. If you're not up to the task then maybe it's time they find a new line of work outside of adult.

LickMyBalls · 05-29-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bro Media

Should we sue the banks they are wiring the money to too?
Maybe point some fingers at the designers of those sites?

Contact the authorities... better yet.. show them your sites and see what they think

Is this Royal Cash? http://www.imobileporn.com/videos/70...first-pov.html

DonX · 05-29-2010, 10:46 AM

I agree Dan 110%

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Originally Posted by CamZ_Dan

This is a croc. Someone better call out the power company for supplying the power that runs the servers quick. To insinuate that NetBilling would knowingly support this type of Bullshit is a croc of shit.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-29-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by crazytrini85

When it comes to minors everyone should be held accountable.

If everyone involved can't or won't take the time to look into sites that they know are questionable, then that speaks volumes about them as a company and the business as a whole, be it a bank, processor, host or gateway.

So you are saying people should be able to sue everyone then?

The powercompany for delivering power? The bank for having their money on their accounts? Maybe the milkman for delivering milk when the owner was a little baby and therefor helping him grow up?

Come one. At the end, the site's MANAGER is responsible, THAT is the one who knows and should be held accountable.

This is becoming a crazy world. Everyone is sueing everyone. Maybe people should learn that they are responsible for their OWN actions instead of blaming everyone.

LickMyBalls · 05-29-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bro Media

So you are saying people should be able to sue everyone then?

The powercompany for delivering power? The bank for having their money on their accounts? Maybe the milkman for delivering milk when the owner was a little baby and therefor helping him grow up?

Come one. At the end, the site's MANAGER is responsible, THAT is the one who knows and should be held accountable.

This is becoming a crazy world. Everyone is sueing everyone. Maybe people should learn that they are responsible for their OWN actions instead of blaming everyone.

You're right.. now be responsible and pull the content theft on your site.

http://www.imobileporn.com/videos/70...first-pov.html
or
http://213.174.143.116/tsm/i/pics/2/1.jpg = teensexmovs.com

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-29-2010, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LickMyBalls

You're right.. now be responsible and pull the content theft on your site.

http://www.imobileporn.com/videos/70...first-pov.html
or
http://213.174.143.116/tsm/i/pics/2/1.jpg = teensexmovs.com

Video not found!

done.

LickMyBalls · 05-29-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro Media

Video not found!

done.

the irony of hypocrisy

punkpred · 05-29-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spunky99

are you saying you've never been told about site's using your service using questionable content?

I'd like to hear what that have to say about that also.

Jaytown · 06-01-2010, 05:34 PM

This thread has gotten stupid now, everyone seems to be posting nothing but speculation and none of us are lawyers. Its obvious that kinky is 2257 compliant as the content providers or at least one has came in and posted. It is also obvious that NetBilling has their shit together as well and did not deserve this stupid fuckin thread. Anyone can sue anyone at any time for anything, weather the allogations are for sure true or even actually apply is the problem and a lot of the problem with our country.

I seriously doubt they would have SOME compliant then a bunch of non compliant content, that is absurd seeing as how just like that producer said they DID go to the trouble to have stuff shot for the site when the non compliant gf sites just steal shit from everywhere, its just not a logical thought process.

It is obvious that this thread was started to point fingers from people who I don't even think belong on this board especially after a thread is plastered showing plain as day that this same person that started it was fraternizing with underage girls on Myspace especially being in the biz he is in, his intentions where what exactly? Apparently he has no idea what Karma is. Since I don't know him I don't have room to say anything that hasn't already been said.

That is hippocracy at its best so yes I also agree that he should be banned for linking all these companies to horse shit just because it was posted on xbiz when half the time they do not even know what in the hell they are talking about. Anyone can get damn near any news posted on there and half the time the facts are completely wrong. That should come to a stop as well.

This thread or anything to do with whats going on is not even worth reading anymore to be honest and people that start threads like this usually have some personal gain cause there was no other reason for it, how he isn't banned and this thread is allowing people to hammer the shit out of all these companies with no real standing is beyond me.

Jack Sparrow · 06-01-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaytown

It is obvious that this thread was started to point fingers from people who I don't even think belong on this board especially after a thread is plastered showing plain as day that this same person that started it was fraternizing with underage girls on Myspace especially being in the biz he is in, his intentions where what exactly? Apparently he has no idea what Karma is. Since I don't know him I don't have room to say anything that hasn't already been said.

That is hippocracy at its best so yes I also agree that he should be banned for linking all these companies to horse shit just because it was posted on xbiz when half the time they do not even know what in the hell they are talking about. Anyone can get damn near any news posted on there and half the time the facts are completely wrong. That should come to a stop as well.

This thread or anything to do with whats going on is not even worth reading anymore to be honest and people that start threads like this usually have some personal gain cause there was no other reason for it, how he isn't banned and this thread is allowing people to hammer the shit out of all these companies with no real standing is beyond me.

People are to busy to worry about someones sig being to big and making mrfrisky threads to give the real offenders some attention.

Jaytown · 06-23-2010, 06:19 PM

http://www.xbiz.com/news/122073

Sickbucks, Kinkygfs has been cleared from the suit, glad for them.

crazytrini85 · 06-23-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE

So you are saying people should be able to sue everyone then?

The power company for delivering power? The bank for having their money on their accounts? Maybe the milkman for delivering milk when the owner was a little baby and therefor helping him grow up?

At the end, the site's MANAGER is responsible, THAT is the one who knows and should be held accountable.

Maybe people should learn that they are responsible for their OWN actions instead of blaming everyone.

Yes, hosting companies, billing companies, gateways, domain registars and the site owner. IF it is known or made known that there is illegal material on a site and the parties involved are made aware of this and do nothing, they should be held responsible.

Example, if yoursite.com has stolen content or CP on it and the host, billing and domain companies are made aware of this, they should take action and give the site owner a chance to prove otherwise. If they can not, the site is removed or all are held responsible.

A difficult task yes but it would put an end to this shit. It is the ADULT COMMUNITY and everyone needs to have their head on the chopping block when it comes to exploiting children. It will never happen though and porn scum know this, thus creating the problem.

Jaytown · 06-23-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by crazytrini85

Yes, hosting companies, billing companies, gateways, domain registars and the site owner. IF it is known or made known that there is illegal material on a site and the parties involved are made aware of this and do nothing, they should be held responsible.

Example, if yoursite.com has stolen content or CP on it and the host, billing and domain companies are made aware of this, they should take action and give the site owner a chance to prove otherwise. If they can not, the site is removed or all are held responsible.

A difficult task yes but it would put an end to this shit. It is the ADULT COMMUNITY and everyone needs to have their head on the chopping block when it comes to exploiting children. It will never happen though and porn scum know this, thus creating the problem.

You need to chill out, there is a huge gap between actual CP and a female that brings a suit that is just barely shy of 18 years old. Your mouth is going to piss a lot of people off my friend, those companies that do not actually own the sites should NOT be held accountable and you do not really have enough rep to be running off at the mouth and saying who should or shouldn't do this or that yet. Better to take a chill pill and let the proper lines take care of things the way they are doing.

NETbilling · 06-23-2010, 09:54 PM

We were dropped from the lawsuit today as were most other service providers.

Jaytown · 06-23-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

We were dropped from the lawsuit today as were most other service providers.

Awesome!

Robbie · 06-23-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

We were dropped from the lawsuit today as were most other service providers.

Because you obviously should have never been on it to begin with. Just another case of ignorance by lawyers as to how a business works.

NETbilling · 06-23-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaytown

Awesome!

Yes thanks... we had no business being named in the first place.

Thread closed now?

Jaytown · 06-23-2010, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

Yes thanks... we had no business being named in the first place.

Thread closed now?

exactly, imo it would be best closed yes, I hope they close it.

JFK · 06-24-2010, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

We were dropped from the lawsuit today as were most other service providers.

Congrats Mitch

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06-23-2010, 06:19 PM	#135
Jaytown Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,056	Sickbucks, Kinkygfs has been cleared from the suit, glad for them. http://www.xbiz.com/news/122073 Sickbucks, Kinkygfs has been cleared from the suit, glad for them.

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05-28-2010, 12:00 PM	#113
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	People like mutt and bigdeanevans should be banned for bullshit like this. Pointing fingers at the wrong people all the time, then backing out. You guys should get your act straight, and bully the REAL criminals. But wait, much easier to bitch around and act like a pimp keyboardwarrior for the bunch of trolls right? Ps mutt checkout www.imobileporn.com i added some full lenght user submitted videos for you lol.

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05-29-2010, 03:21 AM	#122
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06-01-2010, 05:34 PM	#133
Jaytown Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,056	This thread has gotten stupid now, everyone seems to be posting nothing but speculation and none of us are lawyers. Its obvious that kinky is 2257 compliant as the content providers or at least one has came in and posted. It is also obvious that NetBilling has their shit together as well and did not deserve this stupid fuckin thread. Anyone can sue anyone at any time for anything, weather the allogations are for sure true or even actually apply is the problem and a lot of the problem with our country. I seriously doubt they would have SOME compliant then a bunch of non compliant content, that is absurd seeing as how just like that producer said they DID go to the trouble to have stuff shot for the site when the non compliant gf sites just steal shit from everywhere, its just not a logical thought process. It is obvious that this thread was started to point fingers from people who I don't even think belong on this board especially after a thread is plastered showing plain as day that this same person that started it was fraternizing with underage girls on Myspace especially being in the biz he is in, his intentions where what exactly? Apparently he has no idea what Karma is. Since I don't know him I don't have room to say anything that hasn't already been said. That is hippocracy at its best so yes I also agree that he should be banned for linking all these companies to horse shit just because it was posted on xbiz when half the time they do not even know what in the hell they are talking about. Anyone can get damn near any news posted on there and half the time the facts are completely wrong. That should come to a stop as well. This thread or anything to do with whats going on is not even worth reading anymore to be honest and people that start threads like this usually have some personal gain cause there was no other reason for it, how he isn't banned and this thread is allowing people to hammer the shit out of all these companies with no real standing is beyond me.