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And while I agree in part, I feel the need to point out the site we are talking about here is Kinkygfs.com:
http://kinkygfs.com/main.php
Now as someone who has purchased legal Ex-GF content, I see some content on this page that I know is legally shot.
Legally obtained may be another story- especially since their 2257 link now goes to a dead page (it didn't cross my mind to take a screen cap yesterday). Some of the producers of that content post here and me be able to verify if it was paid for, but that aside- for this url in particular- I don't see any red flags.
Remember, the gateway is just that. Netbilling isn't the merchant account. And this site reasonably appears to be legit.
Now let's take a look at another one:
http://www.myalternativegf.com/t1/index.php
Some of the chicks on this tour I know for a fact are underage. Juxtaposing 15 year old girls on a page that shows full penetration is just wrong.
I'd like to think that even to the untrained eye most can spot the difference, and as industry professionals I really hope everyone on this board sees it too.
We can police this by choosing who we do business with. I believe in Netbilling and I don't think they did anything wrong, so I will continue to support them, but I'll never work with the other guys because I've told them REPEATEDLY they've got kids on their site and they've done nothing about it. They hit me up once on ICQ around 5am EST and asked me which girls to remove and they never replied back.
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You are exactly right, I have seen most all the girls on the tour in gf content packs for sale as well and I would be willing to bet that the people they bought it from COULD post here to verify it if they wanted to. They really are pointing the finger at the wrong site for sure cause if you look at the other site you listed then it becomes VERY obvious that there is a HUGE difference in content that is VERY questionable. Btw their 2257 page is fine for me.And while I agree in part, I feel the need to point out the site we are talking about here is Kinkygfs.com:
http://kinkygfs.com/main.php
Now as someone who has purchased legal Ex-GF content, I see some content on this page that I know is legally shot.
Legally obtained may be another story- especially since their 2257 link now goes to a dead page (it didn't cross my mind to take a screen cap yesterday). Some of the producers of that content post here and me be able to verify if it was paid for, but that aside- for this url in particular- I don't see any red flags.
Remember, the gateway is just that. Netbilling isn't the merchant account. And this site reasonably appears to be legit.
Now let's take a look at another one:
http://www.myalternativegf.com/t1/index.php
Some of the chicks on this tour I know for a fact are underage. Juxtaposing 15 year old girls on a page that shows full penetration is just wrong.
I'd like to think that even to the untrained eye most can spot the difference, and as industry professionals I really hope everyone on this board sees it too.
We can police this by choosing who we do business with. I believe in Netbilling and I don't think they did anything wrong, so I will continue to support them, but I'll never work with the other guys because I've told them REPEATEDLY they've got kids on their site and they've done nothing about it. They hit me up once on ICQ around 5am EST and asked me which girls to remove and they never replied back.Last edited by Jaytown; 05-27-2010, 05:33 PM.Comment
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This is what I'm talking about. Thanks Ma.
Obviously they didn't buy all ther content, or we wouldn't be having this convo, but to those of us who know compiant ex-gf content this site appears - at least on the surface - to be doing things legit.
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You should be banned and you should apologize. We all know what your intentions were by starting this thread.
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Come on guys...who do you expect the GFY Court Of Mob Lynchings to believe? Mutt or you bunch of "know nothings"?-Robbie
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I don't think he should.
People need to start being held accountable, and if we don't police ourselves the whole industry will go to shit (not like it isn't already!)
People who are processing for this CP and people pushing this CP need to be brought into the spotlight and run out of business and thrown in jail...or both.Comment
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People like mutt and bigdeanevans should be banned for bullshit like this. Pointing fingers at the wrong people all the time, then backing out.
You guys should get your act straight, and bully the REAL
criminals.
But wait, much easier to bitch around and act like a pimp keyboardwarrior for the bunch of trolls right?
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do you realize how difficult it is to watch for changes on the 10s of thousands of pages of content that the average gateway, or processor deals with? When someone goes to get an account, they present a URL, with logins and links to all their pages. Someone from the compliance department goes through every single page, and the underwriting process continues on to approval.
Then, once they are up, if you have someone going through every link, of every page, of every website, of every merchant in your portfolio, once a month, or once a week, it is pretty easy for someone to slip in a link or a page that doesn't get picked up in the screening. In fact, if even one of the AFFILIATES, of one of the websites, of one of your merchants, had CP content, you are also named in one of these types of actions.
You guys seem to think that it's easy to keep track of a million or so pages of links and content on even a weekly basis??? With all the best of intentions, it can happen to almost anyone in the billing, or for that matter, the hosting business.
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Banned for what? Stating the obvious?
Look, All im saying is that they should police the sites they bill for more carefully, and if people are putting up pictures of very young looking girls without proper docs, they should come down.
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Look, these pages haven't changed. If they took 2 seconds to look over those sites they would know what the deal isdo you realize how difficult it is to watch for changes on the 10s of thousands of pages of content that the average gateway, or processor deals with? When someone goes to get an account, they present a URL, with logins and links to all their pages. Someone from the compliance department goes through every single page, and the underwriting process continues on to approval.
Then, once they are up, if you have someone going through every link, of every page, of every website, of every merchant in your portfolio, once a month, or once a week, it is pretty easy for someone to slip in a link or a page that doesn't get picked up in the screening. In fact, if even one of the AFFILIATES, of one of the websites, of one of your merchants, had CP content, you are also named in one of these types of actions.
You guys seem to think that it's easy to keep track of a million or so pages of links and content on even a weekly basis??? With all the best of intentions, it can happen to almost anyone in the billing, or for that matter, the hosting business.
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I'm not saying they knew there was underage content, but they certainly in my opinion turned a blind , with a ton of other webmasters.Last edited by BigDeanEvans; 05-28-2010, 10:21 PM.Comment
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You are absolutely correct Michael. We all do the best job we can.do you realize how difficult it is to watch for changes on the 10s of thousands of pages of content that the average gateway, or processor deals with? When someone goes to get an account, they present a URL, with logins and links to all their pages. Someone from the compliance department goes through every single page, and the underwriting process continues on to approval.
Then, once they are up, if you have someone going through every link, of every page, of every website, of every merchant in your portfolio, once a month, or once a week, it is pretty easy for someone to slip in a link or a page that doesn't get picked up in the screening. In fact, if even one of the AFFILIATES, of one of the websites, of one of your merchants, had CP content, you are also named in one of these types of actions.
You guys seem to think that it's easy to keep track of a million or so pages of links and content on even a weekly basis??? With all the best of intentions, it can happen to almost anyone in the billing, or for that matter, the hosting business.
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Dean, can you contact me on icq?Comment
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Should we sue the banks they are wiring the money to too?
Maybe point some fingers at the designers of those sites?Comment
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i wasn't "calling you out" by asking the question above that you did not answer. Obviously no processor/merchant/biller has the ability to monitor every file , every doc on a pornsite, and i certaintly wasn't suggesting you were neglecting it, BUT the theme of the site you said netbilling approved is content without age verification. Do you feel comfortable in the future approving sites who's theme is unverified content ? I would feel a tad uneasy calling myself "ethical" if i wasn't at the very least covering the basicshatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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When it comes to minors everyone should be held accountable.
If everyone involved can't or won't take the time to look into sites that they know are questionable, then that speaks volumes about them as a company and the business as a whole, be it a bank, processor, host or gateway.Comment
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Of course not. But they CAN monitor very closely the sites that seem to be problematic, such as these. It is better than sticking their head in the sand and claiming they are unable (more like unwilling) to look into it. It means more work, but that is what it takes. If you're not up to the task then maybe it's time they find a new line of work outside of adult.Comment
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Contact the authorities... better yet.. show them your sites and see what they think
Is this Royal Cash? http://www.imobileporn.com/videos/70...first-pov.htmlLast edited by LickMyBalls; 05-29-2010, 09:37 AM.Comment
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So you are saying people should be able to sue everyone then?
The powercompany for delivering power? The bank for having their money on their accounts? Maybe the milkman for delivering milk when the owner was a little baby and therefor helping him grow up?
Come one. At the end, the site's MANAGER is responsible, THAT is the one who knows and should be held accountable.
This is becoming a crazy world. Everyone is sueing everyone. Maybe people should learn that they are responsible for their OWN actions instead of blaming everyone.Comment
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You're right.. now be responsible and pull the content theft on your site.
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This thread has gotten stupid now, everyone seems to be posting nothing but speculation and none of us are lawyers. Its obvious that kinky is 2257 compliant as the content providers or at least one has came in and posted. It is also obvious that NetBilling has their shit together as well and did not deserve this stupid fuckin thread. Anyone can sue anyone at any time for anything, weather the allogations are for sure true or even actually apply is the problem and a lot of the problem with our country.
I seriously doubt they would have SOME compliant then a bunch of non compliant content, that is absurd seeing as how just like that producer said they DID go to the trouble to have stuff shot for the site when the non compliant gf sites just steal shit from everywhere, its just not a logical thought process.
It is obvious that this thread was started to point fingers from people who I don't even think belong on this board especially after a thread is plastered showing plain as day that this same person that started it was fraternizing with underage girls on Myspace especially being in the biz he is in, his intentions where what exactly? Apparently he has no idea what Karma is. Since I don't know him I don't have room to say anything that hasn't already been said.
That is hippocracy at its best so yes I also agree that he should be banned for linking all these companies to horse shit just because it was posted on xbiz when half the time they do not even know what in the hell they are talking about. Anyone can get damn near any news posted on there and half the time the facts are completely wrong. That should come to a stop as well.
This thread or anything to do with whats going on is not even worth reading anymore to be honest and people that start threads like this usually have some personal gain cause there was no other reason for it, how he isn't banned and this thread is allowing people to hammer the shit out of all these companies with no real standing is beyond me.Comment
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Sickbucks, Kinkygfs has been cleared from the suit, glad for them.
http://www.xbiz.com/news/122073
Sickbucks, Kinkygfs has been cleared from the suit, glad for them.Comment
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Yes, hosting companies, billing companies, gateways, domain registars and the site owner. IF it is known or made known that there is illegal material on a site and the parties involved are made aware of this and do nothing, they should be held responsible.
Example, if yoursite.com has stolen content or CP on it and the host, billing and domain companies are made aware of this, they should take action and give the site owner a chance to prove otherwise. If they can not, the site is removed or all are held responsible.
A difficult task yes but it would put an end to this shit. It is the ADULT COMMUNITY and everyone needs to have their head on the chopping block when it comes to exploiting children. It will never happen though and porn scum know this, thus creating the problem.Comment
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You need to chill out, there is a huge gap between actual CP and a female that brings a suit that is just barely shy of 18 years old. Your mouth is going to piss a lot of people off my friend, those companies that do not actually own the sites should NOT be held accountable and you do not really have enough rep to be running off at the mouth and saying who should or shouldn't do this or that yet. Better to take a chill pill and let the proper lines take care of things the way they are doing.Comment
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We were dropped from the lawsuit today as were most other service providers.
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Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
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