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kristin · 04-23-2010, 05:05 PM

100 illegals =)

RP Fade · 04-23-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut

I live in Los Angeles too, and I think you're heart is bleeding for the wrong people, not naturally born or legally immigrated Mexicans who will always be conflicted, but don't be like Angelina Jollie. Adopt American black babies. We have enough of them being abused. Fuck Africa! You didn't make your money from there. Give back to the city and the state and the country that made you.

My heart's not bleeding bud, I just wish we had a little less shoot first and ask questions later mentality on every level, that's all. I just dont see this being affective. And if my heart did bleed, it would be for the tax payers, law enforcement and citizens of AZ who will get shafted..

brassmonkey · 04-23-2010, 05:08 PM

they did a drive bye on some illegals on the west side of phoenix at home depot

smutnut · 04-23-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RP Fade

My heart's not bleeding bud, I just wish we had a little less shoot first and ask questions later mentality on every level, that's all. I just dont see this being affective.

When is the last time an illegal has been shot? Or even beaten without trying to outrun the law? Seriously, where does all this bullshit come from. Should the law just say, "oops they are trying to run now. Lets slow down. We don't want to hurt them or give them a boo boo!" ?

I seriously think they should set up shooting ranges at the border, but when is the last time something even remotely like an illegal mother fucking criminal crossing the border been shot, and if you can name one, how many have gotten around that?

Fuck man! You sound crazy. They aren't tough enough. That's the problem.

smutnut · 04-23-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

they did a drive bye on some illegals on the west side of phoenix at home depot

Did they at least hit one? Or was it gangbangers learning how to shoot and being initiated?

RP Fade · 04-23-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut

When is the last time an illegal has been shot? Or even beaten without trying to outrun the law? Seriously, where does all this bullshit come from. Should the law just say, "oops they are trying to run now. Lets slow down. We don't want to hurt them or give them a boo boo!" ?

I seriously think they should set up shooting ranges at the border, but when is the last time something even remotely like an illegal mother fucking criminal crossing the border been shot, and if you can name one, how many have gotten around that?

Fuck man! You sound crazy. They aren't tough enough. That's the problem.

It's a metaphor for not thinking things thru and looking at the consequences, not actually and literally shooting people..sigh.

smutnut · 04-23-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RP Fade

It's a metaphor for not thinking things thru and looking at the consequences, not actually and literally shooting people..sigh.

Metaphors are another problem. Lets deal with reality.

People really cross the border illegally. If you want to let them live in your house and pay their expenses I'm all for it, otherwise, don't use my taxes for it.

Use my taxes to stop it!

TheDoc · 04-23-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RP Fade

I guess time will tell, you think it will make our borders more secure and curb illegal immigration, I dont. Like I said above, time will tell and I hope I'm wrong and I hope it does not bring on even more problems without even solving the first one to begin with.

This isn't the first time for this... we have had very strong enforcement up in Phoenix and at times National Guard at the borders. Parts of the wall - some need to be improved - and the layered wall also works and needs to be expanded. This isn't a question if it works, this bill puts into action what has already been working.

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Originally Posted by RP Fade

I dont have solution, but I dont think this is the right one either. I have not read the actual law but what's gonna happen to an illegal? They go to prison? There's more tax dollars being spent. They get deported? Big deal they'll be out in a few weeks and will to sneak back in again as they do right now. People who 'look' hispanic will get questioned, harassed, arrested, get ready for a bunch of civil rights lawsuits, let alone if someone cries out police brutality was involved. There are close to 300k illegals in AZ someone else said, how many more law enforcement officials will need to get hired and will that even be enough? What about the DA's office to deal with all this. And so on..I hope Im wrong, I hope it works, but I see a big can of worms..

If you make it harder for them to come in, less will come in. Also illegals make money here and send it back home. Without that money, the family is screwed as the working person is sitting in jail and not able to fund them. When the person gets deported, they aren't going to want to return and it's a hell of a lot harder to return.

Enforcement wise... Think Sheriff Joe Arpaio - He doesn't have to profile you, when you protest without a permit, when he checks a business, and so on - they profile themselves by committing crimes that he can sweep in on and do these checks.

It would be illegal under state and federal laws, to profile people - this law gives police the ability to enforce of the laws on the books and it actually has stipulations in it if they abuse the powers.

This is only the tip... we also have a huge human trafficking problem (ie modern day slavery) that almost every illegal mexican is subject to. Along with sex slaves, child slaves,
murders, torturing of them, starving them, and more..

Add in the drug lord issue, them raiding American homes on American soil. Farmers being shot by illegals passing through with guns that also have drug packed backpacks as part of the payment for them to 'be allowed' to cross.

Tucson home invasion capital... crazy amount already this year. I won't say who gets invaded and who has been caught doing it. Or Phoenix, kidnap capital of the country, yeah - it isn't rich white people kidnapping rich white people.

This "problem" is vastly past what most of the Country understands to be a problem.

smutnut · 04-23-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

This isn't the first time for this... we have had very strong enforcement up in Phoenix and at times National Guard at the borders. Parts of the wall - some need to be improved - and the layered wall also works and needs to be expanded. This isn't a question if it works, this bill puts into action what has already been working.

If you make it harder for them to come in, less will come in. Also illegals make money here and send it back home. Without that money, the family is screwed as the working person is sitting in jail and not able to fund them. When the person gets deported, they aren't going to want to return and it's a hell of a lot harder to return.

Enforcement wise... Think Sheriff Joe Arpaio - He doesn't have to profile you, when you protest without a permit, when he checks a business, and so on - they profile themselves by committing crimes that he can sweep in on and do these checks.

It would be illegal under state and federal laws, to profile people - this law gives police the ability to enforce of the laws on the books and it actually has stipulations in it if they abuse the powers.

This is only the tip... we also have a huge human trafficking problem (ie modern day slavery) that almost every illegal mexican is subject to. Along with sex slaves, child slaves,
murders, torturing of them, starving them, and more..

Add in the drug lord issue, them raiding American homes on American soil. Farmers being shot by illegals passing through with guns that also have drug packed backpacks as part of the payment for them to 'be allowed' to cross.

Tucson home invasion capital... crazy amount already this year. I won't say who gets invaded and who has been caught doing it. Or Phoenix, kidnap capital of the country, yeah - it isn't rich white people kidnapping rich white people.

This "problem" is vastly past what most of the Country understands to be a problem.

The thing people don't understand is that this is an organized crime business.

It's not like some poor family is coming here to try and make it. They couldn't even get here without the help of the coyotees and their fucking underground railroad. This ain't some little guy trying to make it. The little guy is getting used and fucked seriously, even after they get here.

brassmonkey · 04-23-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut

Did they at least hit one? Or was it gangbangers learning how to shoot and being initiated?

nah they missed

RP Fade · 04-23-2010, 05:58 PM

Time will tell..I partially blame the Federal Gov't and white house for not being more proactive but everyone is worried about mid-term elections. That's part of the problematic 'system' I was talking about earlier. Even John McCain is worried about his re-election and has gone 180 degrees on this issue. If this is truly an invasion and a drug war, than treat it as such and deal with the source and find a better solution.

Otherwise, we can respectfully agree to disagree.

Have a great weekend.

Vendzilla · 04-23-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RP Fade

Most great historical Americans were not born here..

Like Obama?

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Illegals can't take advantage of the welfare system .

Oh Really?
They have a kid in a US hospital, then they get on welfare, I don't know how they get away with it, but they do

I remember when California tried to do this, one judge shot it down
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califor...tion_187_(1994)

Vendzilla · 04-23-2010, 06:09 PM

I will say when I watched the signing of the bill, I cheered, then they went to Obama and he put it down

Earlier Friday, Obama called the Arizona bill "misguided" and instructed the Justice Department to examine it to see if it's legal. He also said the federal government must enact immigration reform at the national level ? or leave the door open to "irresponsibility by others."

I love when a president of the US calls what people voted for by 70% Misguilded, oh wait, it's only happened now?

brassmonkey · 04-23-2010, 06:10 PM

this isnt cali vendzilla we are rebuking these illegals

Sly · 04-23-2010, 06:10 PM

States rights, FTW.

Vendzilla · 04-23-2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

this isnt cali vendzilla we are rebuking these illegals

I know that, just saying we tried this a long time ago and the courts shot it down

L-Pink · 04-23-2010, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

States rights, FTW.

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escorpio · 04-23-2010, 07:05 PM

Nothing but political posturing.

raven1083 · 04-23-2010, 07:07 PM

i guess it will be signed

smutnut · 04-23-2010, 07:28 PM

That little faggot looking rodent Bill Maher is talking about this right now

TheDoc · 04-23-2010, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

Nothing but political posturing.

If they don't follow through with this... the election coming up is going to go bad, very fast for them.

04-23-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RP Fade

I dont have solution, but I dont think this is the right one either. I have not read the actual law but what's gonna happen to an illegal? They go to prison? There's more tax dollars being spent. They get deported? Big deal they'll be out in a few weeks and will to sneak back in again as they do right now. People who 'look' hispanic will get questioned, harassed, arrested, get ready for a bunch of civil rights lawsuits, let alone if someone cries out police brutality was involved. There are close to 300k illegals in AZ someone else said, how many more law enforcement officials will need to get hired and will that even be enough? What about the DA's office to deal with all this. And so on..I hope Im wrong, I hope it works, but I see a big can of worms..

They can't just stop and question you for no reason. They are not going to harass and arrest you because you look hispanic. People always cry out police brutality, it is like crying wolf. Illegals are a huge problem and not just the ones from Mexico. There are a lot of illegals from South and Central America here as well. It is worth it to hire more law enforcement. The crime rate from illegals is crazy and they like to run to Mexico after they commit crimes. Some state needed to take a stand. I hope more states will follow.

brassmonkey · 04-23-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB

They can't just stop and question you for no reason. They are not going to harass and arrest you because you look hispanic. People always cry out police brutality, it is like crying wolf. Illegals are a huge problem and not just the ones from Mexico. There are a lot of illegals from South and Central America here as well. It is worth it to hire more law enforcement. The crime rate from illegals is crazy and they like to run to Mexico after they commit crimes. Some state needed to take a stand. I hope more states will follow.

yep

brassmonkey · 04-24-2010, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Tucson's South side is full of illegals.

i just heard last year 241,000 illegals arrested

in tucson

Rochard · 04-24-2010, 08:15 AM

Years ago when I was a kid I worked at a Taco Bell. Once a month like clockwork, a Border Patrol officer would come up to the front counter in full uniform, and half the fucking staff would rush out the back door - into the arms of a dozen waiting officers waiting with a truck to carry them away. It was fucking comical already.

The amount of damage that illegal aliens does is staggering. If we deported every illegal alien in the morning, what would that do our unemployment rate? Don't give me no shit about how Americans don't want to do "crappy jobs". That's exactly what high school kids and twenty-year olds are for.

What I don't understand is why we don't build a huge fucking wall across our border. Just like the Great Wall Of China. Build it huge, tall, wide, and then staff it twenty-four hours a day with our military... Put our military on our borders instead of housing them in prime real estate in San Diego.

TheDoc · 04-24-2010, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

i just heard last year 241,000 illegals arrested

in tucson

Yeah, we have a million people here and 241k illegals 'caught' - About 25% - for one city and that's just the people they caught.

The south side is damn near all illegals... signs are in spanish, shops are in spanish, damn near nobody speaks english - it's a real urban heaven.

escorpio · 04-24-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

What I don't understand is why we don't build a huge fucking wall across our border. Just like the Great Wall Of China. Build it huge, tall, wide, and then staff it twenty-four hours a day with our military... Put our military on our borders instead of housing them in prime real estate in San Diego.

Because an unmanned wall is useless, as you pointed out. Instead of spending a staggering amount on a "huge fucking wall" the money would be better spent on manpower.

escorpio · 04-24-2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Yeah, we have a million people here and 241k illegals 'caught' - About 25% - for one city and that's just the people they caught.

The south side is damn near all illegals... signs are in spanish, shops are in spanish, damn near nobody speaks english - it's a real urban heaven.

The 241k weren't caught in the city of Tucson, they're caught in the BP's Tucson Sector, which covers Pima, Cochise and Santa Cruz counties.

TheDoc · 04-24-2010, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

The 241k weren't caught in the city of Tucson, they're caught in the BP's Tucson Sector, which covers Pima, Cochise and Santa Cruz counties.

That is a bit different than 'in tucson' isn't it

Land mass wise that's a huge space, population wise - once you leave Tucson, it's a huge area basically....

Pimp County: 1,012,018
Cochise County: 129,006
Santa Cruz County: 42,923

Roughly 20% with everything added in..

escorpio · 04-24-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

That is a bit different than 'in tucson' isn't it

Land mass wise that's a huge space, population wise - once you leave Tucson, it's a huge area basically....

Pimp County: 1,012,018
Cochise County: 129,006
Santa Cruz County: 42,923

Roughly 20% with everything added in..

The people are caught entering the country, they're not really part of the counted population. Mostly they are caught in the border region, far south from the city of Tucson.

TheDoc · 04-24-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

The people are caught entering the country, they're not really part of the counted population. Mostly they are caught in the border region, far south from the city of Tucson.

Aye I know they aren't - but the ratio is important... The reason most are caught at the border is because the region is to big to monitor, other than at the border. The amount of people we have is to little outside of Tucson - for the proper local, state or federal support to cover such a massive region of nothing.

This law 'helps' correct this by the state giving the local more power and then forcing the federal to fund based on the national guard - if that all goes through.

escorpio · 04-24-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Aye I know they aren't - but the ratio is important... The reason most are caught at the border is because the region is to big to monitor, other than at the border. The amount of people we have is to little outside of Tucson - for the proper local, state or federal support to cover such a massive region of nothing.

This law 'helps' correct this by the state giving the local more power and then forcing the federal to fund based on the national guard - if that all goes through.

Why is the ratio important? Most are just passing through, not staying in Arizona.
The area is heavily monitored within twenty miles of the border, not just at the border. Getting through the law enforcement gauntlet that stretches twenty miles north is the hard part, not getting over the border itself.

TheDoc · 04-24-2010, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

Why is the ratio important? Most are just passing through, not staying in Arizona.
The area is heavily monitored within twenty miles of the border, not just at the border. Getting through the law enforcement gauntlet that stretches twenty miles north is the hard part, not getting over the border itself.

Ratio is important because the amount of illegals we have, vs. enforcement is way out of ratio... we can't get more enforcement because we don't have the population to pay for it. Ratios are damn important.

Parts of the areas are heavily monitored 20 miles in that don't have the wall... many parts of the layered wall areas keep them out - other parts don't need a wall at all - the goal is to funnel them into smaller regions that can more easily be monitored and covered - until a multi layered wall can be built - which works.

Before we had employment laws, most didn't pass through... but we still have more come into the state than any other.

escorpio · 04-24-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Ratio is important because the amount of illegals we have, vs. enforcement is way out of ratio... we can't get more enforcement because we don't have the population to pay for it. Ratios are damn important.

Parts of the areas are heavily monitored 20 miles in that don't have the wall... many parts of the layered wall areas keep them out - other parts don't need a wall at all - the goal is to funnel them into smaller regions that can more easily be monitored and covered - until a multi layered wall can be built - which works.

Before we had employment laws, most didn't pass through... but we still have more come into the state than any other.

What part of southern Arizona has a layered wall? I'm not familiar with any. Are they further west by Yuma?
Santa Cruz county has large portions of wall and is heavily monitored. There are checkpoints at Agua Linda, Amado and Hwy 286. These and roving Border Patrol are the real threat to smugglers, not a wall. A wall is a waste of money. Manpower is the solution, not that I advocate more militarization of the border region. I advocate making work permits and citizenship easier to obtain.

smutnut · 04-24-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

Why is the ratio important? Most are just passing through, not staying in Arizona.
The area is heavily monitored within twenty miles of the border, not just at the border. Getting through the law enforcement gauntlet that stretches twenty miles north is the hard part, not getting over the border itself.

The ratio isn't as important as the fact that Arizona is now a symbol for doing something. California will never do this because of being democrats and buying into all the rest of the immigration reform bullshit. This is the one part of the democratic agenda I am against.

TheDoc · 04-24-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

What part of southern Arizona has a layered wall? I'm not familiar with any. Are they further west by Yuma?
Santa Cruz county has large portions of wall and is heavily monitored. There are checkpoints at Agua Linda, Amado and Hwy 286. These and roving Border Patrol are the real threat to smugglers, not a wall. A wall is a waste of money. Manpower is the solution, not that I advocate more militarization of the border region. I advocate making work permits and citizenship easier to obtain.

I don't know the locations, I just know parts are layered and this new bill covers adding to what they have and making more of it up to 3 layers deep. I would assume not all parts will be 3 layers.

Without a wall you have an open area that can be crossed at any point... with at least one layer people will avoid crossing the wall with a 15-20 foot drop, go up the wall and come out in an area that can be better monitored with the forces they have rather than covering an extreme open area that they can't cover at all.

Check points stop human trafficking... border patrol can't monitor 80% of the desert.

04-24-2010, 10:55 AM

A good show to watch is Border Wars. It shows the border patrol in action near the AZ/Mexico border. They run into some crazy stuff.

escorpio · 04-24-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I don't know the locations, I just know parts are layered and this new bill covers adding to what they have and making more of it up to 3 layers deep. I would assume not all parts will be 3 layers.

Without a wall you have an open area that can be crossed at any point... with at least one layer people will avoid crossing the wall with a 15-20 foot drop, go up the wall and come out in an area that can be better monitored with the forces they have rather than covering an extreme open area that they can't cover at all.

Check points stop human trafficking... border patrol can't monitor 80% of the desert.

An unmanned wall will be easily circumvented. The wall is going to have to be heavily manned so why build a wall at all? Why not just use more manpower? A wall would be a huge waste of money.
So many people in Nogales, Sonora have permits to enter the US (slightly more than 40%, last time I checked) that it's pretty easy to find someone that looks like you and use it. A lot of undocumented people walk in right past US Customs.

brassmonkey · 04-24-2010, 11:12 AM

well now its time to choke out their income all the border states need to jump on board. really the whole country needs to practice this like reading the bible.

smutnut · 04-24-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

well now its time to choke out their income all the border states need to jump on board. really the whole country needs to practice this like reading the bible.

And stop reading the bible at the same time too!

tony286 · 04-24-2010, 11:58 AM

They dont want to stop this. Its a show for the locals. When they take out a CEO of chicken factory in shackles for hiring illegals then I know they are serious. Until then its all bullshit. Sargent Fernandez is back for r& R from Iraq and he is asked for papers and he loses his shit on them and winds up getting the shit beat out of him and sitting in jail. Its funny dont see the teabag constitution crowd coming out about asking fellow Americans for their papers.

TheDoc · 04-24-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

An unmanned wall will be easily circumvented. The wall is going to have to be heavily manned so why build a wall at all? Why not just use more manpower? A wall would be a huge waste of money.
So many people in Nogales, Sonora have permits to enter the US (slightly more than 40%, last time I checked) that it's pretty easy to find someone that looks like you and use it. A lot of undocumented people walk in right past US Customs.

If people can already get past because they look like them and can provide other documents if in question - then more troops or less troops isn't going to stop that. Unless we are going to start making a DNA record of everyone - we're screwed in that department.

Have you actually read what they are doing? They're bringing in 3,000 more national guard into the state, or wanting to.

Every place the wall is up, has an extreme less amount of people coming through. Nothing, not the biggest, baddest wall, armed guards and land mines won't keep everyone out... people still come in and out of NK - no border can be totally secured and being that we aren't going to anything like that, ever - it's going to be far less secure - so a wall is damn sure needed as another step to slow them down.

smutnut · 04-24-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

If people can already get past because they look like them and can provide other documents if in question - then more troops or less troops isn't going to stop that. Unless we are going to start making a DNA record of everyone - we're screwed in that department.

Have you actually read what they are doing? They're bringing in 3,000 more national guard into the state, or wanting to.

Every place the wall is up, has an extreme less amount of people coming through. Nothing, not the biggest, baddest wall, armed guards and land mines won't keep everyone out... people still come in and out of NK - no border can be totally secured and being that we aren't going to anything like that, ever - it's going to be far less secure - so a wall is damn sure needed as another step to slow them down.

Plus we fucked up our economy as the ultimate deterrent. I think that was the most effective plan of attack yet!

escorpio · 04-24-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

If people can already get past because they look like them and can provide other documents if in question - then more troops or less troops isn't going to stop that. Unless we are going to start making a DNA record of everyone - we're screwed in that department.

Have you actually read what they are doing? They're bringing in 3,000 more national guard into the state, or wanting to.

Every place the wall is up, has an extreme less amount of people coming through. Nothing, not the biggest, baddest wall, armed guards and land mines won't keep everyone out... people still come in and out of NK - no border can be totally secured and being that we aren't going to anything like that, ever - it's going to be far less secure - so a wall is damn sure needed as another step to slow them down.

The point is that it is possible to walk through the wall. If a big wall gets built the other ways of getting people accross will be utilized. A wall would be a huge waste for how effective it would be. The money would be better spent on manpower, cameras and motion detectors. These are the things smugglers truly fear.

escorpio · 04-24-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

They dont want to stop this. Its a show for the locals. When they take out a CEO of chicken factory in shackles for hiring illegals then I know they are serious. Until then its all bullshit.

Exactly.

Vendzilla · 04-24-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

They dont want to stop this. Its a show for the locals. When they take out a CEO of chicken factory in shackles for hiring illegals then I know they are serious. Until then its all bullshit. Sargent Fernandez is back for r& R from Iraq and he is asked for papers and he loses his shit on them and winds up getting the shit beat out of him and sitting in jail. Its funny dont see the teabag constitution crowd coming out about asking fellow Americans for their papers.

the law of not hiring illegals has been on the books since Reagan at least

Sargent Fernandez can get legal status, I served with a few in the Navy

Tea Party has other things to do, like create sedition

TheDoc · 04-24-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

The point is that it is possible to walk through the wall. If a big wall gets built the other ways of getting people accross will be utilized. A wall would be a huge waste for how effective it would be. The money would be better spent on manpower, cameras and motion detectors. These are the things smugglers truly fear.

Exactly that's the point --> "If a big wall gets built the other ways of getting people accross will be utilized."

Yes some people will still get through - even if you did build a military force, some would still get through. Not that you could really build a force to 'blockade' the border spanning across 1/3 of the united states and that's cutting right through peoples lands....

The amount of money it costs for troops and the amount of troops it would take to police a border with no wall would cost far more than several walls being built, very quickly.

It's logical to do everything we can that works and we can't logically fund troops protecting the border forever across an area that large.

tony286 · 04-24-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

the law of not hiring illegals has been on the books since Reagan at least

Sargent Fernandez can get legal status, I served with a few in the Navy

Tea Party has other things to do, like create sedition

Again until I see them take the Ceo of the chicken factory in handcuffs then they are serious until then its all a show.
I wasn't clear sorry. The Sarge is an American Citizen who is fighting for his country and they ask for papers .he wigs out about it and the trouble starts. US citizens can be asked for papers.if they look like the profile.

TheDoc · 04-24-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

wow, and this is why I argued against it in another thread. What happens if you have an accent because you're from a European country? Or a New England accent and a cop thinks you're from Canada? or a white American with a Speech impediment? .... can you see where this is going?...it's not just brown skinned people.

Profiling is illegal... it's really not that hard to understand.

Out side of that, if you look the profile - just like in any country, you should be asked for id - which proves you're legal or provide your papers which by law you have to carry either way.

TheDoc · 04-24-2010, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Again until I see them take the Ceo of the chicken factory in handcuffs then they are serious until then its all a show.
I wasn't clear sorry. The Sarge is an American Citizen who is fighting for his country and they ask for papers .he wigs out about it and the trouble starts. US citizens can be asked for papers.if they look like the profile.

Shit loads of companies have been busted for illegal immigrants across the Country and in Arizona.. Some CEO's have went to jail, been fined and at times been totally shut down.

The chicken factory doesn't hire them, the chicken farmer does and they have laws that allow that in many states.

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04-23-2010, 05:08 PM	#103
brassmonkey Pay It Forward Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Yo Mama House Posts: 77,332	they did a drive bye on some illegals on the west side of phoenix at home depot __________________ TRUMP 2025 KEKAW!!! - The Laken Riley Act Is Law! DACA ENDED - SUPPORT AZ HCR 2060 52R - email: brassballz-at-techie.com

04-23-2010, 05:58 PM	#111
RP Fade Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,343	Time will tell..I partially blame the Federal Gov't and white house for not being more proactive but everyone is worried about mid-term elections. That's part of the problematic 'system' I was talking about earlier. Even John McCain is worried about his re-election and has gone 180 degrees on this issue. If this is truly an invasion and a drug war, than treat it as such and deal with the source and find a better solution. Otherwise, we can respectfully agree to disagree. Have a great weekend. __________________ HomemadeCash.com - Homemade & GF sites powered by NScash.com HomemadeVideoPass.com - The only all homemade mega site OurHomemadePorno.com - Real couples fucking on camera Contact ICQ: 400-786-531 Email: fade AT nscash.com

04-23-2010, 06:09 PM	#113
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	I will say when I watched the signing of the bill, I cheered, then they went to Obama and he put it down Earlier Friday, Obama called the Arizona bill "misguided" and instructed the Justice Department to examine it to see if it's legal. He also said the federal government must enact immigration reform at the national level ? or leave the door open to "irresponsibility by others." I love when a president of the US calls what people voted for by 70% Misguilded, oh wait, it's only happened now? __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

04-23-2010, 06:10 PM	#114
brassmonkey Pay It Forward Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Yo Mama House Posts: 77,332	this isnt cali vendzilla we are rebuking these illegals __________________ TRUMP 2025 KEKAW!!! - The Laken Riley Act Is Law! DACA ENDED - SUPPORT AZ HCR 2060 52R - email: brassballz-at-techie.com

04-23-2010, 06:10 PM	#115
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,360	States rights, FTW. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

04-23-2010, 07:05 PM	#118
escorpio I love to racism, bro! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA! USA! USA! Posts: 23,344	Nothing but political posturing. __________________ Unvaxxed, still alive.

04-23-2010, 07:07 PM	#119
raven1083 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,687	i guess it will be signed __________________ Femdom Stories \| Bound BBW Blog and Videos \|Bondage Sex Videos and Pictures Hardcore Japanese Bondage \| BDSM Movies And Galleries Mistress Cuckold CBT

04-23-2010, 07:28 PM	#120
smutnut So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,889	That little faggot looking rodent Bill Maher is talking about this right now

04-24-2010, 08:15 AM	#125
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 75,075	Years ago when I was a kid I worked at a Taco Bell. Once a month like clockwork, a Border Patrol officer would come up to the front counter in full uniform, and half the fucking staff would rush out the back door - into the arms of a dozen waiting officers waiting with a truck to carry them away. It was fucking comical already. The amount of damage that illegal aliens does is staggering. If we deported every illegal alien in the morning, what would that do our unemployment rate? Don't give me no shit about how Americans don't want to do "crappy jobs". That's exactly what high school kids and twenty-year olds are for. What I don't understand is why we don't build a huge fucking wall across our border. Just like the Great Wall Of China. Build it huge, tall, wide, and then staff it twenty-four hours a day with our military... Put our military on our borders instead of housing them in prime real estate in San Diego. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders

04-24-2010, 10:55 AM	#137
JaneB Guest Posts: n/a	A good show to watch is Border Wars. It shows the border patrol in action near the AZ/Mexico border. They run into some crazy stuff.

04-24-2010, 11:12 AM	#139
brassmonkey Pay It Forward Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Yo Mama House Posts: 77,332	well now its time to choke out their income all the border states need to jump on board. really the whole country needs to practice this like reading the bible. __________________ TRUMP 2025 KEKAW!!! - The Laken Riley Act Is Law! DACA ENDED - SUPPORT AZ HCR 2060 52R - email: brassballz-at-techie.com

04-24-2010, 11:58 AM	#141
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	They dont want to stop this. Its a show for the locals. When they take out a CEO of chicken factory in shackles for hiring illegals then I know they are serious. Until then its all bullshit. Sargent Fernandez is back for r& R from Iraq and he is asked for papers and he loses his shit on them and winds up getting the shit beat out of him and sitting in jail. Its funny dont see the teabag constitution crowd coming out about asking fellow Americans for their papers.