kane

So here is how it works. There will need to be some laws put into place, but that should be easy enough since the government owns two of the big three US auto makers.

They stop selling cars. Instead, they just give them away. You can walk into your local Ford, Chysler or GM dealer and they will give you the car/truck of your choice. The catch is that you can't paint it and you can't sell it. The car will be free and you can get a new free car every 4-5 years. If the car breaks down you can trade it in for another car (maybe a used car). The catch is that every car will now look like a Nascar car. They will be covered in advertising. Think of it is branding if you will.

If they give away just two million cars a month (and I assume when they are free they will give away a lot more than that) in 4 years there will be over 90 million of these free cars on the road. Someone like Coke or Pepsi would have to love having their logo on the door of 90 million cars that hit the road everyday. Some company would love to have their website url on every bumper of 90 million cars. I would bet Apple would love 90 million cars to have the Apple logo on the hood. It would kill competition overnight. Honda and Toyota can't compete with you. Who is going to by a Honda when they can get a Chevy for free? Sure you can still buy a car if you want, just order it, pay retail and pick what color you want, no problem. Some companies like Mercedes, Range Rover and Infinity have large, loyal fan bases so they would probably still be able to sell cars.

So we just give them away and let advertising pay for it. The branding these companies will receive will more than cover the cost of the advertising and the car companies will be rolling in money because they will be giving away so many cars advertisers will just be lining up and fighting to buy space on cars.

That is the new wave right? Give it away, brand your company then reap the rewards correct? Sounds great to me.

Roald

Cost would be way too high.

Plus Coke is one of the biggest brands in the world already, and Apple is doing ok as is

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baddog

Pretty sure I know you well enough to know this is tongue in cheek.

TheDoc

That would almost work... you may want to twist it a tiny bit though. Like, the majority of the first buyers of each color/style/shape, etc have to pay full price, but they get everything.

Then they have a magic machine that makes duplicates that car, without the need of raw materials, shipping, all costs gone... This can only be done on a duplicate, then strip away the goodies, then they give that away for free.

Slap on some ads... and I see it working!

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96ukssob

no way this would ever work. advertisers would have to pay a boat load for advertising. and even if they did buy it, they woudl be so picky as to where. no one wants to buy ads for cars in poor and small town areas where they will get maybe 50 impressions a day.

second, hundreds of sales people would be out of jobs as well as financial institutions would suffer. banks make billions off of car loans, which is why you can get a loan for less than 6%

then who is going to police that you dont rip off the ads or paint the cars? someone has to pay the bill

IMO, to save the auto industry they need to stop raping people when you go to buy a car or trade one in. I was just curious to see how this worked, so I went to a dealership and asked what I would get to trade my car in and buy the exact same year make and model with close options... they had 2 cars on the lot, one with 10k more miles and another with about teh same but without a lot of the options I had.

they offered me 20% below what the other cars were selling for and tried to justify it with worthless rationale... funny because on Friday I got a call from the dealership asking if i was still interested in trading in my car for one of theirs

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so basically they will follow the tube model...just give everything away for free..hmm
Tubes can suck it!

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Advertisers would have to cover the cost of the car, no chance coke or apple would pay $25k per car... Be easier and more economical just to offer drivers $5k to have their cars covered in ads.

Shit people are willing to tattoo golden palace on their foreheads for $2k, imagine what they'd do for $5k

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ztik

You realize they would spending like 30k per customer every 5 years?

Does a consumer spend 30k a year on pepsi? lol

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MetaMan

you are a complete fucking idiot.

kane

It wouldn't be just one sponsor. Coke or Pepsi could have the doors, another company could have the hood, another the trunk and you could put a few dozen ads on the fenders. It would be Nascar style so you could put 15-20 ads on each car. The bigger you want your ad to be the more you pay.

MetaMan

so wtf are you going to do when people paint over all the ads on the car then still ask for the new one in 5 years?

what are you a communist?

TheDoc

He's railing on piracy...


Holy shit... you people are thick.

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dyna mo

man, a bunch of party poopers in here!

Semi-Retired-Dave

Why not give cars away for free but make them get 2 miles a gallon and you can only buy from Gas Station. lol

The cars will be called, Mobile Vehicles.

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MetaMan

wtf is "railing"

i see you inventing your own slang in every thread get a dumb fuck translator and put your posts into it before you post so we can maybe understand you.

alias

Make the car be one of those $1500. Indian units.

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TheDoc

My bad, let me try again...

Holy shit... You're fucking stupid.

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If they want to save the auto industry they need to stop giving the makers the money and give it to the tax payers that would then buy cars.

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kane

rail (rāl)

intransitive verb
to speak bitterly or reproachfully; complain violently: with against, at, or about

Railing would be the act of doing this, but what do I know I'm just a complete fucking idiot.

kane

Now this is a movement I can get behind.

kane

Apparently basic reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I said in the original post that the rule would be you can't paint over the ads. That would imply that if you break the rules you would not be allowed to have the car. No, they aren't going to come to your house and take it away, but when you go to trade it in, they won't give you a new one.

I assume that a person of average intelligence would have put that together for themselves, but we know what you get when you assume.

BFT3K

The sponsor pays for the car in full, pays for the custom paint-job in full, and pays the dealer (or manufacturer) for 3 years of exclusive advertising... at maybe another $1,000 to $10,000 p/month or more, depending on where the dealership is located.

The dealer (or manufacturer) then offers these vehicles for super cheap 3 year leases... like maybe $99 p/month. The only thing is, the customer can't repaint the car.

May sound like a silly idea, but I bet something like this starts happening within the next year or two, as big companies are now advertising on EVERYTHING!

The only downside I can see is, why wouldn't the advertiser simply do up all of their own vehicles, and give them out to their top employees instead?

I still think it is not so crazy an idea... just have to figure out how to bring it to market.

dyna mo

a side benefit is the decals will make the cars go faster! type-R!

MetaMan

look you dolt nice backtrack but no, read between the lines example:

look at welfare and the people who take advantage of that.
it doesnt work because people are going to take advantage of it anyway. and this is HUGE costs for someone to take advantage of it.

so why not just put back on the company logos when you go to trade it in?

it is literally a stupid as fuck idea.

I assume that a person of average intelligence would have put that together for themselves, but we know what you get when you assume.

MetaMan

so if they arent going to give you a new car when you go to trade it in why not just sell it to someone and then use that money to buy another car?

let me guess this is a new world order for cars. LOLZ

your thinking is so backwards i cant even believe i am in this thread.

it is like people who say "how to solve world hunger: easy grow more food"

here everyone have $30k we arent coming to your house to get it anyway. LOLZ

BFT3K

This idea requires a full paint-job, no decals, one sponsor p/vehicle.

In return for the cheap lease the customer MUST get the vehicle serviced quarterly, so when you are getting your oil changed the vehicle's appearance can be verified continuously throughout the 3 year lease.

dyna mo

i know, right? what a stupid idea. cleary, the best way to end world hunger is to sell the vatican.

kane

Again, you fail at reading. In the original post I said one of the rules/laws would be that you can't sell the car. This would imply that there are safeguards put in place so that you can't transfer the title of a free sponsored car.

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MetaMan

look you idiot i live in REALITY. i do not know where you live. fairies and elves do not exists here.

how are you going to stop 300 000 000 americans from selling an item that is worth even say $15k in another country?

o because there is a law and laws o okkkk now it all works because you have a law.

and do you know how much it is going to cost policing 300 000 000 americans from selling their cars?

wtf are you trying to make a new coke trade?

MetaMan

"So here is how it works. There will need to be some laws put into place, but that should be easy enough since the government owns two of the big three US auto makers."

ya dude totally easy.

i mean you just write a couple laws in a book and no big deal.

it's just 1 2 3

kane

Look, clearly there will be some people who cover up the ads or figure out a way to sell the car, there is always loss in these types of things. Not every person that visits Youtube clicks on the ads, but the site still exists and continues to grow.

Giving things away for free is the business model of the future, I am simply trying to protect the future of this country by giving things away.

You want a future don't you? I know I do.

TheDoc

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MetaMan

i have an even better idea,

we should have APPLE and companies like MICROSOFT, pay to advertise on MONEY, i mean everyone uses money?

give everyone $1,000,000 in $1 bills

then their ads would be seen by= population x $1 x $1,000,000 = BAM

so we can just print more money because their ad revenue will cover the cost of the inflation.

BFT3K

I just read this line, and glanced at your avatar. Very funny irony!

Carry on....

BFT3K

That's pretty good too. I'm in!

MetaMan

tell me why my idea is flawed kane and your's not?

baddog

You are aware that some words can be a noun or a verb, right?

And you call others thick.

MetaMan

hey im baddog the only thing i do is correct spelling in threads because i am to stupid to have an opinion that matters.

look in any thread that is 4 pages long, with a discussion going and you will find baddog correcting someone spelling.

best part is he probably takes a nostril picture everytime he does it with him giving himself a thumbs up.

kane

I like to see the future. I envision a future that is free. It is coming to pass now, but the media is contorting it into something it is not. Let's talk a little reality first:

Reality #1 - There is no such thing as pirates of any kind. Those who download from torrent sites are simply people that are "timeshifting" content they have already purchased or they are using the "cloud" to create backups of content they are already purchased. You don't actually believe there are people out there who are downloading stuff just because they want it for free do you? People would never do that!

Reality #2 - Tube sites do not have stolen content on them. You don't actually think that there are people out there that are so morally bankrupt that they would buy a $2.99 3 day membership to a site, download all of the member's area movies then upload them onto their tube site for the sole reason of gaining more visitors allowing them to increase their ad prices then when they get caught they blame it on "up-loaders" do you? Clearly you are delusional if you think this is happening.

Reality #3 - Even Somali pirates are not real pirates. These people liberators. They were unfortunate enough to be born in a shit-stain of a country and they are fighting to better themselves. The prince of Saudi Arabia isn't going to miss one tanker of oil. If they "liberate" a cargo ship full of goods those goods were clearly from the richest 1% of the world and will not be missed. These people were dealt a poor hand then told to adapt or die. They are simply adapting and should be praised not scorned.

I envision a future where everything is free. No need for money. Everyone just makes it and takes it as needed. Clearly nobody would ever go overboard and take more than they need. Each person will only take what they need and there will be no excessive usage. There will be no desire to be rewarded for your efforts. The knowledge of a job well done is plenty. There will be no need for police or a legal system because there will be no crime. If someone takes something from you, they are just "sharing" what you have, right now is just not your turn to have it. If someone takes something else of yours it is not theft, it is just "fair use" and really you probably didn't need it anyway. Who cares if they "timeshift" your car, you can just "timeshift" your neighbors' car. And with everything being free we can look forward to nothing but the highest quality TV, movies and radio, because there are people out there who can't wait to sweat and bleed for their art only to be given nothing in return for it.

I can see it. I can imagine it. It is upon us. Free is where it is at.

There will be no need for money where we are going.

MetaMan

the only place you should be going is to the loony bin. you are one of those people who "envision" a better world then do not come up with any REAL WORLD solutions. you just think up stupid shit to give yourself a pat on the back.

and you did not answer how my idea is flawed and yours is not.

TheDoc

Have you done a lot of drugs, like hardcore goo your brain drugs?

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kane

Maybe I should let you in on a little secret. My original post was meant as a sarcastic tongue in cheek statement about the state of the modern internet and how it doesn't seem to learn from its past. Previously, there were many sites that died in the dot com bust of 1999-2001ish because they just gave everything away and were not worried about the impact so much free content would eventually have on their business model. For a while that went away and now it is back in full force. When you factor in torrents and tube sites it is a wonder anyone even bothers creating content because not only do those that steal it commit a crime, but they show a complete and utter lack of respect for the creator and the work they put into it.

A person will not think twice about downloading a movie or a music CD illegally, but if you picked up their wallet and just took ten dollars out of it they would come uncorked.

So I was being sarcastic. I was in a funny mood and wanted to see how people would respond. Relax, no need to have a stroke.

The sad thing is I may not be far off from reality.