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Old 08-09-2009, 03:43 PM   #1
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One-world government --- do you think it will ever be possible?

One government for the whole world. One that is set up in such a way as to end or at least drastically reduce the need for wars of any type. Do you think it's doable? Possible within say, 50 years? 100? Never?

Before you say it'll never happen, remember all of you who just a few short years ago said the US will NEVER have a black president. "It'll never happen", I even recall a few specific names who posted those very words. Be careful of what you attribute that phrase to because more often than not the thing you think is impossible *will* happen or be achieved in some form sooner than you think.

Anyway, I'm not talking Hitler's vision or that of any past wouldbe world conqueror. I'm talking more the idea you see on movies like Starship Troopers or shows the likes of Star Trek -- Earth has it's "Federation", Vulcan has one overall race called 'Vulcans', the Klingons are the Klingons etc... and pretty much every new world encountered is run by one main race with one overall governing body. The humans and their 'Federation' in these shows paint quite an attractive future for us.

My only issue is the question of - are we as a race smart enough to attain it or even anything close to it without wiping ourselves out of existance first?


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World government is the concept of a political body that would make, interpret and enforce international law. Inherent to the concept of a world government is the idea that nations would be required to pool or surrender (depending on point of view) sovereignty over some areas. In effect, a world government would add another level of administration above the existing national governments.

Your thoughts - possible or not?
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it works on star trek
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Old 08-09-2009, 03:49 PM   #3
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world ends 2012 and by then i dont think it will happen, but this is proof that the world leaders dont watch star trek or they would of copied that system
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Isn't that what the UN is for?
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The reason why that isn't feasible is because we consider ourselves alone in the universe (the bible tells us so), so we have to divide amongst ourselves. If, all of a sudden, we learned there were 12 other civilizations out there besides us, it would be much more likely that all the humans would unite with each other.

Until then, we get to listen to blowhards on all sides bicker and scream falsehoods about the other side.
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governments can't stay together as it is, so no.

entropy always wins.
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Impossible beacuse of stupid muslims.
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The reason why that isn't feasible is because we consider ourselves alone in the universe (the bible tells us so), so we have to divide amongst ourselves. If, all of a sudden, we learned there were 12 other civilizations out there besides us, it would be much more likely that all the humans would unite with each other.

Until then, we get to listen to blowhards on all sides bicker and scream falsehoods about the other side.
Interesting points, good post.
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world ends 2012 and by then i dont think it will happen, but this is proof that the world leaders dont watch star trek or they would of copied that system
Also I dont remember did people on star trek get salaries for working on the starship. Never saw any one paying for anything and those tight pants had no pockets.
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Old 08-09-2009, 04:13 PM   #10
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It is an interesting concept.

When you look at how the worldwide economic crises is being handled today, with all large nations consulting with each other about the actions to take to stabilize things and the summits that are held regularly by the big interests, it seems that we are moving in that direction anyway as nations are more interdependent on each other than many have realized.

I do hear debate on the benefit of one worldwide government, and I do not know enough about the idea to say if it is a good thing or not.
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until everyone is fed and have housing - no can't open borders world-wide.
until private interests and corruption removed from governance - no can't open borders world-wide.

what's the point of one world government without the freedom to live anywhere you want, work anywhere you want and pay modest taxes to where you think they (taxes) should go instead of supporting huge bureaucracy apparatuesues?

zeitgeist movement has more chances of happening than us getting civilized and transparent(!) one world governing system any time soon (and that's a huge stretch).
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There is an almost zero chance of it happening. There are just too many opposing views on this planet. Will the muslims happily live under a christian leadership? No. Will the christians live under a muslim leadership? No. There are just too many religions and too many language barriers for it to happen any time soon.

The only way I could see it happening is if there was some kind of world wide catastrophic event that required the world to come together in order to survive it, but even then I think we would work together and then go back to living our separate lives.
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Old 08-09-2009, 04:37 PM   #13
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Also I dont remember did people on star trek get salaries for working on the starship. Never saw any one paying for anything and those tight pants had no pockets.

one word - replicators

once you can make a perfect copy of something for the price of a little bit of energy... no one will pay (no need to, right?)

hmmm

wonder if i'm drawing a paralell here...
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I would think the opposing viewpoints of capitalism, communism, socialism, and the worlds religious differences would make it next to impossible to be managed by a one-world government.
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Why the fuck would anyone want a one world government? Just think if Bush was ruler of the world! And if you liked Bush think of what it would be like if Obama ruled the world! People will always find a reason to kill each other.

We use to have wide open borders until BIG GOVERNMENT made it so we could not travel at will. It is BIG GOVERNMENT that has hindered the freedoms and peace you all think BIG GOVERNMENT could bring.
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One-world government --- do you think it will ever be possible?
You hit the key points:

1) If mankind doesn't destroy itself or the Earth



2) If we discover civilizations from other worlds or (more likely) they discover us

3) If they have a "Federation" and we are deemed worthy to join

Then we will primarily identify ourselves with our planet and secondarily
with our nationality much like many people identify themselves first with
their country and then their state or region, ie American from Texas,
California or Texas

It will only happen when it is more important to be human rather than Canadian, German or Australian.




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as long as there are different religions and different languages there will never be one world government.

People are always too busy trying to cram their ideology down everyone elses throats.

im not so sure its a good thing anyway at least now there are choices to some degree...if you live under a one world government and you dont like it where do you go?
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as long as there are different religions and different languages there will never be one world government.

People are always too busy trying to cram their ideology down everyone elses throats.

im not so sure its a good thing anyway at least now there are choices to some degree...if you live under a one world government and you dont like it where do you go?
To America.... oh shit nevermind
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First, people thought Religion was going to unite the world. Millions of dead "heretics" and/or "infidels" later--FAIL.

Then some assclown says it was CLASS that was gonna unite the world. Millions of dead peasants and workers later--FAIL.

Then some "nationalists" said it was CULTURE that was gonna unite the world (unified in the sense that everyone clusters around their own culture)--even greater FAIL.


Lesson, boys and girls? Fuck UNITY as a goal. If anything, unity is a process. Leave it at that. The only thing that unites people are GREED and self-interest. And we all know what economic system works best for that, right?

Nuff said.
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Why would you want it? To reward government for its inefficiency?

And, who would run it?

Adolf Hitler wanted one world government with himself at the helm.
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I can not imagine anything more horrible than a one world government. Fortunately anyone who studies history and understands human nature realizes that it will not happen. As a matter of fact at the current time we are witnessing many nations fragmenting into smaller states (USSR, Yugoslavia, Caucasus, Iraq). That is likely the the future trend as the same technology which enables totalitarian big government also enables organized dissent and revolution (see Ukraine, Iran, the Mujaheddin, Al Qaeda etc.)

Anyway I am hoping the trend continues and big government monstrosities like the EU implode from the weight of their own corruption, waste and inertia like the USSR.
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Someone once said that whatever man can imagine...given enough time...man can accomplish and I suspect there is great truth in this statement...so I do think that most...if not all things are possible.

But I personally do not think that one world government will happen...not now...not ever...because I do not think the human animal will be around long enough to accomplish this. I personally think that on the scale of the earth's history of life the human animal will be one of early extinction. Man has been out of the caves for 30,000 years and I personally do not think that man will make 100,000 years let alone millions of years.
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I hope this never happens for several reasons. Too much centralized power can't be a good thing.
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I can not imagine anything more horrible than a one world government. Fortunately anyone who studies history and understands human nature realizes that it will not happen. As a matter of fact at the current time we are witnessing many nations fragmenting into smaller states (USSR, Yugoslavia, Caucasus, Iraq). That is likely the the future trend as the same technology which enables totalitarian big government also enables organized dissent and revolution (see Ukraine, Iran, the Mujaheddin, Al Qaeda etc.)

Anyway I am hoping the trend continues and big government monstrosities like the EU implode from the weight of their own corruption, waste and inertia like the USSR.
You cannot compare eu and ussr,ussr was communist and dictatorship environment while eu is free and democratic where each vote is counted.
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And also what is funny in star trek,last government which was joined to world government was australia goverment.
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in order to get one world government you start a third world war

Kissinger/Bush Sr/Brown all called for New World Order - one world government

we have to stop them

12 months time the US dollar will totally collaspe

Obama will support Israel in attacking Iran (probably start World War 3)

that happens im changing my money into gold/silver
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1 gov to run 1 world will only work if their is other planets involved. Otherwise it's pointless.
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im the propecy it would be happen before christ come
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There is definitely people behind the scenes working towards this. Will it work? I sure as hell hope not.



Big Bush is all for a New World Order/One World Government.
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Never gonna happen.

I've always thought of "the Federation" on Star Trek as a United Nations type of thing.

No, we'll never have one world government. There are too many different countries with too many different ideas of how they want to live. Then there are a lot of smaller countries, ruled by kings, that frankly don't care what the rest of the world is doing.
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The reason why that isn't feasible is because we consider ourselves alone in the universe (the bible tells us so), so we have to divide amongst ourselves. If, all of a sudden, we learned there were 12 other civilizations out there besides us, it would be much more likely that all the humans would unite with each other.

Until then, we get to listen to blowhards on all sides bicker and scream falsehoods about the other side.
I agree with you on this.
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yes, it will happen. The US should join the EU and help it along. Imagine if Great Britain had managed to keep its peak size? It is crazy that we have to defend ourselves from the uneducated. They will prosper and eventually no longer want wars either.
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I don't trust 90% of politicians in the world.
Too many empty promises, little actions, no spine.
The ones that did have a spine are now 6feet<.
Same stuff everywhere I guess.
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in order to get one world government you start a third world war

Kissinger/Bush Sr/Brown all called for New World Order - one world government

we have to stop them

12 months time the US dollar will totally collaspe

Obama will support Israel in attacking Iran (probably start World War 3)

that happens im changing my money into gold/silver
So let me get this straight... AFTER the war starts and gold goes up, then you will start buying it?

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Just watch the video "UN Deception" on google or youtube. Pretty much lays out the game plan.
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world ends 2012 and by then i dont think it will happen, but this is proof that the world leaders dont watch star trek or they would of copied that system
You don't really believe the world ends in 2012 do you?
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We are marching closer to a one world government every day...

Here's a relevant quote from my reading last night..


A Western money monopoly was well established by the beginning of the
twentieth century but still remains hidden today. The money monopoly is
dynastic and transcends national borders enabling the Anglo-European-American
elite to transfer all the world's wealth into their hands and to create a global
government under their control - a new Dark Age of global feudalism or global
fascism. Since the late 1980s, the sale of the world's resources and industries to
the international bankers has accelerated. Now all that remains is to strip Westerners
of what remains of their property and the vision of John D. Rockefeller's General
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"In our dreams we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves
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You cannot compare eu and ussr,ussr was communist and dictatorship environment while eu is free and democratic where each vote is counted.
I hope that is sarcasm.
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Didn't Hitler (and a few others) already try this already...?
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Old 08-10-2009, 12:27 PM   #43
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it works on star trek
yeah, but it took khan to accomplish the unification of the planet through warmongering.
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Old 08-10-2009, 12:32 PM   #44
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It could happen if the world had some global catastrophe that wiped out a majority of the population. Someone would rise to power and could possibly govern the world.
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Old 08-10-2009, 12:43 PM   #45
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in order to get one world government you start a third world war

Kissinger/Bush Sr/Brown all called for New World Order - one world government

we have to stop them

12 months time the US dollar will totally collaspe

Obama will support Israel in attacking Iran (probably start World War 3)

that happens im changing my money into gold/silver
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Old 08-10-2009, 12:44 PM   #46
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Sure humanity will have a one world government, but not on earth.
Only way for true freedom is to expand in space. Mankind are never truly free until each individual can choose to create their own civilization. You will choose to be in a society, not be forced into one because there is a lack of better options. That will be the day when humanity will thrive.
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Old 08-10-2009, 12:47 PM   #47
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Wow...there are some awfully stupid comments in this thread...

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Old 08-10-2009, 12:52 PM   #48
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Old 08-10-2009, 12:53 PM   #49
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