What have tubes done? Traffic thread ((PICS))

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Tried running non-porn vids on youtube. Lasted about a month. Then the account was deleted by youtube.

I've uploaded a lot of exclusive but non-nude PG13 friendly videos to youtube, and if the watermark goes to a warning page, it'll usually get deleted within 3-4 days, comments or no comments. They've been cracking down a lot recently.

[Deesnuts]

everybody knows it

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I wouldn't call what TheDoc is doing "trolling" I'd call it presenting the flip side of the coin and creating interesting debate. I enjoy reading others experience in this business. It's a little different for everybody, and these debates always get my brain engaged and I come up with something to make more money everytime.

Now on the other hand...when Gideon and/or anybody else who doesn't have a clue about marketing or promotion or entertainment comes in here and starts calling people "idiots" and cursing them up and down like a teenager...I'm not so impressed.

That kind of shit is totally uncalled for and the people doing it wouldn't have the balls to do that in real life to a person standing in front of them. THAT is trolling.

What TheDoc is doing is sparking debate. He can do that, and I give his posts a lot of weight. I give trolls and good old gideon no weight to their inexperienced theorizing. lol

except when you steal the idea and pretend you came up with due to creativity you mean.

signage(level 1 product placement) was something i talked about a long time ago. you said it would never work in porn

until you "came up" with it today.

as to calling people idiots, re read i said they can't be that stupid, and i was right, the guy making the bogus points had the experience to know what he was saying was total bullshit, but he said it anyway.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I've uploaded a lot of exclusive but non-nude PG13 friendly videos to youtube, and if the watermark goes to a warning page, it'll usually get deleted within 3-4 days, comments or no comments. They've been cracking down a lot recently.

so don't do that
watermark your twitter account
or a public pg only modeling site
get them to subcribe to your channel

send them the messages about the real site behind the scenes

if something doesn't work, don't think it completely worthless technology, test out otherways to exploit it.

[Jack Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Gals4free

Yes...


http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/4tube.com

As of today we cracked the Alexa top 500.. yes yes.. a little bit of spamming, but thats been a mayor milestone.

Thats some awesome stats bro, i still have a long way to go
Hit me up sometime, lets talk legaltubebros amongst eachother

[cosis]

Originally Posted by Gals4free

Interesting thread with some interesting points brought up.. being both a TGP and a LEGAL tube owner, anyone who argues that a TGP stays at the same level of traffic without change is wrong. The reason why FreeOnes has the most stable alexa graph of all the "TGPs" (eventhough freeones isnt a traditional TGP), is because of the insane amount of fresh SE traffic they get day after day after day.. You could have a crap site, but when someone googles "Tera Patrick", and for some reason you are first for that keyword, people will visit your site. So combine that with the fact Freeones isnt a crap site, they are probably one of the few traditional sites that managed to maintain their market position. Do I think that sooner or later the tube sites that are not fully optimized in the monetization department are going to run into issues when the ad budget from the big ad buyers dries up, for sure, and I hope that day comes soon.

Freeones also links to tons of galleries they host which is not hurting the Alexa ranking

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

except when you steal the idea and pretend you came up with due to creativity you mean.

signage(level 1 product placement) was something i talked about a long time ago. you said it would never work in porn

until you "came up" with it today.
.

You didn't tell me anything gideon! You sir, have NEVER said that signage is a good idea Pimproll Tom did:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Which brings to mind the concept that people should only pay for content these days that contains the model(s) actor(s) working with real world signage for your website in place and in frame 24/7.

My reply to Tom was:

Originally Posted by Robbie

That's a fucking great idea. Product placement within the vid itself. Shirts being worn with the site name. A picture on the wall behind the bitches head with the website url. A glass with the url. I'm going to incorporate that idea. Watermarks are so easy to get around and when you start over watermarking or even moving them at random throughout the movie, it starts to become an annoyance. But "product placement", done just like they do in Hollywood when the main character drives a certain brand of car, smokes a certain brand of cigarette, etc. would kick ass!

Matter of fact on Claudia-Marie.Com, we do so much humor in the set up to the scenes that we could OVER do it in a comedic way. Excellent!

The creative wheels are turning in my head.

Where do you see me laying "claim" to that idea?

The "creativity" comes from using comedic setups for the branding. As far as I know NOBODY has ever done that in porn.

You have such trouble comprehending what is being said here. The only "creativity" is in HOW I am going to do it. And since you don't have a creative bone in your trolling little body you just can't understand this.

Gideon the only thing you have ever babbled about was your dumbass "branding bugs" AND I EXPLAINED TO YOU THAT THEY WERE NOT "BRANDING BUGS" BUT SIMPLY PRODUCT PLACEMENT THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN HOLLYWOOD FOR DECADES

YOU are the person who keeps coming on here claiming to have invented marketing techniques that have been used for decades.

I never laid claim in my post to coming up with an idea that has been around since the beginning of film. What I said was that Tom had a great fucking idea. And the way he laid it out led my mind to another CREATIVE way for me to do it.

Your references to "branding bugs" in the past were all about trying to sell ANOTHER product like Hollywood does.

You see Gideon...television and Hollywood are not selling the movie or television show WITHIN the television show.

Yes, Captain Obvious, they can get paid a fee to promote SOMETHING ELSE within the movie or television show. That does NOT work in porn. Nobody will pay me money upfront to put a mention of their pornsite on my porn movies in the HOPE that they will be stolen, pirated, and seen by millions of freeloading gideongalleries around the world who will then magically reach into their pockets and buy a membership to their website that was promoted on my stolen video.

And yes, Captain Obvious, IF I owned a line of lingerie...or a dildo company...I probably could make a sale or two.

But NONE of that was what PR Tom was talking about or what I was expounding on. Tom was talking about a very cool way to try and brand the site that the actual video came from.

You sir are so obtuse and narrow minded and narcissistic that you are unable to understand that you are NOT even in this business and as a matter of fact you are not in ANY online business.

Please go away and let the grown ups have a conversation. Play with your branding bugs or something.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You didn't tell me anything gideon! You sir, have NEVER said that signage is a good idea Pimproll Tom did:

i suggest you do a search on this site because it was in one of the many conversations where you told me product placement would not work in porn

while i said it would.

i clearly spelled out the 3 levels of product placement including a clip from studio 60 on the sunset strip explaining it.
i still have the clip from the show on one of my hard drives (even though it is now gone from youtube)

My reply to Tom was:


Where do you see me laying "claim" to that idea?

The "creativity" comes from using comedic setups for the branding. As far as I know NOBODY has ever done that in porn.

You have such trouble comprehending what is being said here. The only "creativity" is in HOW I am going to do it. And since you don't have a creative bone in your trolling little body you just can't understand this.

how about when mayors money had brooke skye cleaning up for a cam show to the benny hill music

or repeated use of signage by anabolic for their audition video series.

Your "creative" idea is just a minor extension those previous successes.

Gideon the only thing you have ever babbled about was your dumbass "branding bugs" AND I EXPLAINED TO YOU THAT THEY WERE NOT "BRANDING BUGS" BUT SIMPLY PRODUCT PLACEMENT THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN HOLLYWOOD FOR DECADES

YOU are the person who keeps coming on here claiming to have invented marketing techniques that have been used for decades.


I never laid claim in my post to coming up with an idea that has been around since the beginning of film. What I said was that Tom had a great fucking idea. And the way he laid it out led my mind to another CREATIVE way for me to do it.

Your references to "branding bugs" in the past were all about trying to sell ANOTHER product like Hollywood does.

branding bugs is not product placement, your own next statement proves it
branding bugs is an extension of that what on now what on next bumper that goes across the screen (selling the show , selling the next show)
the problem is hollywood is making the same stupid mistake that you are making with your assumption.
They fail to work, and create a significant improvement at all, when done wrong. (leverage, burn notice)
however when done right they can turn a low grade signage product placement (1/18) into something that is superior to a product intergration (1/2). That is what we came up with. And yes using a technology in the right way when everyone else is using it bass ackwards is innovative.

You see Gideon...television and Hollywood are not selling the movie or television show WITHIN the television show.

oh really





trading signage is just an extension of trading content sets in this industry

you have to be a complete moron to not realize that would work too.

Yes, Captain Obvious, they can get paid a fee to promote SOMETHING ELSE within the movie or television show. That does NOT work in porn. Nobody will pay me money upfront to put a mention of their pornsite on my porn movies in the HOPE that they will be stolen, pirated, and seen by millions of freeloading gideongalleries around the world who will then magically reach into their pockets and buy a membership to their website that was promoted on my stolen video.

And yes, Captain Obvious, IF I owned a line of lingerie...or a dildo company...I probably could make a sale or two.

please there are 15900 possible product placement combinations if you use the q ratio metrics.

What you are describing is just one of those combinations (upfront payment, purchase decision placement, signage)

Plain and simple some product placement will not work in porn (some will not work in internet distributed tv either)

however not all product placement will fail in porn (same is true in the case of internet distributed tv)

The two are closer then you think, and some of the 15900 that have worked in the work when tv shows are stolen on bit torrent will also work in porn

But NONE of that was what PR Tom was talking about or what I was expounding on. Tom was talking about a very cool way to try and brand the site that the actual video came from.

You sir are so obtuse and narrow minded and narcissistic that you are unable to understand that you are NOT even in this business and as a matter of fact you are not in ANY online business.

Please go away and let the grown ups have a conversation. Play with your branding bugs or something.

pr tom was and is still talking about signage, used in a very limited way, to sell promote a video. It doesn't take a genius to realize that if mainstream companies are trading signage, and porn companies have been trading content sets for years, similar deals can be made for signage.

Your cluelessly thinking that taking a step backwards from what i was talking about is some great creative leap forward.

[gideongallery]

looks like the second video is just something optimized for the title of the show not an actual clip from the show
but the title and episode is there so you can buy it from itunes if you want to see it
or go to nbc and watch it live.

[reebix]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

Yeah, I agree. Your game is tight bro. Spot on.

[Jack Sparrow]

Is branding bugs like: having a bumblebee fly around with
my sig tattood on his ass ?

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by mrfrisky

Is branding bugs like: having a bumblebee fly around with
my sig tattood on his ass ?

branding bugs is basically a marketing term for the 163 things that are currently done wrong when attempting to use the station id to market real products/internet stuff.

there is only 2 branding bug characteristic in the 10329 characteristics i am talking about doing correctly (watermarking, branding bugs, product placement, private tracker, live interaction combo).

the rest are plain old stuff that has been around for years.

[Tom_PM]

I was reminded of this thread when I watched Big Brother last night. Some people were in the pantry room and right in frame where it would be virtually impossible for the camera to miss, was RICE CHEX cereal, lol. Mmmmmm rice chex. Sounds delicious.

[xxxjay]

This thread has degenerated from mildly educational to an idiot fest.

[Jack Sparrow]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

This thread has degenerated from mildly educational to an idiot fest.

Glad im not alone out here, was kinda echoing my own thoughts.

[Meeper]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

This thread has degenerated from mildly educational to an idiot fest.

at least the first couple pages were pretty solid.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

This thread has degenerated from mildly educational to an idiot fest.

Still has potential

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

This thread has degenerated from mildly educational to an idiot fest.

I predicted this back on page 2:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Sorry folks, but this whole thread is about to go down faster than my TGP's alexa rating because once again Gideon (who is not even in this industry) is going to start explaining to all of us how to run our business.

This was a great thread and I've come away with some great creative ideas. Thanks guys!

Gideon is good for entertainment. He's like a guy who has never went to medical school trying to tell a group of surgeons how to perform a delicate operation. It's funny, but I wish he'd stay the hell out of business threads. He's not in ANY online business. But what the hell, I guess one more miscreant fantasizing that he is a marketing genius...while at the same time never having actually done anything...doesn't really surprise me here on GFY.

Sure would be nice if Eric would finally open a section that is unreadable and unviewable by anybody except actual people who can prove that they are in this business.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Sure would be nice if Eric would finally open a section that is unreadable and unviewable by anybody except actual people who can prove that they are in this business.

Would be nice but wont happen as long as the ad revenue is cranking in because of views.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Would be nice but wont happen as long as the ad revenue is cranking in because of views.

The public section could be left out here for everybody to play in and troll and act out. But we could have an "invite only" section for serious talk. A place where we all know one another and all the b.s. could be left out here.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I predicted this back on page 2:



Gideon is good for entertainment. He's like a guy who has never went to medical school trying to tell a group of surgeons how to perform a delicate operation. It's funny, but I wish he'd stay the hell out of business threads. He's not in ANY online business. But what the hell, I guess one more miscreant fantasizing that he is a marketing genius...while at the same time never having actually done anything...doesn't really surprise me here on GFY.

Sure would be nice if Eric would finally open a section that is unreadable and unviewable by anybody except actual people who can prove that they are in this business.

you remind me "experts" from gardner, forrester and giga who all said "don't worry about protocol compatibility with san" when i was telling people to take the more expensive open standard based solutions.

everyone of them were wrong too. Not the first time i have been right when everyone has been wrong.

as i have repeatedly said It has nothing to do with me being more educated or smarter it has to do with my process identifying every permutation and testing them all. When you do that you find things that other people miss no matter how much "expertise" they have with something.


It expensive, it time consuming, but it works every time.

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

This thread has degenerated from mildly educational to an idiot fest.

More or less... just watching now

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

More or less... just watching now

see the post by gideon right above you for a nice example

[Doctor Feelgood]

how do you explain this then? was all banned users allowed back in January ?

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood

how do you explain this then? was all banned users allowed back in January ?

Eric is submitting thehun galleries on gofuckyourself.com

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

This thread has degenerated from mildly educational to an idiot fest.

[Jack Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Would be nice but wont happen as long as the ad revenue is cranking in because of views.

Or only allow people with sites in sigs to post.

[iTouch!]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

Nigga please. People always have and always will pay for porn. They would rather take the last $20 out of their wallet for a blowjob or a fap rather than go home and buy little Susie and Johnny a Big Mac to feed them. It's the nature of man. Make excuses all you want.

[Agent 488]

threads that always get derailed by gideon who can't get his marketing ideas to work in mainstream yet tries to apply them to adult where they have even less application.

would suck to work in the cubicle next to him.

[Keezah]

tube sites don't make money

[Jack Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Keezah

tube sites don't make money

theres no money in porn

[PastorSinAlot]

My raggy tube is making money

[Jack Sparrow]

Cant, tubes only steal money and stuff.

[Octopus]

it's very sad

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by budsbabes

threads that always get derailed by gideon who can't get his marketing ideas to work in mainstream yet tries to apply them to adult where they have even less application.

would suck to work in the cubicle next to him.

sorry i will let you get back to your crying about the big bad tube sites


btw the ideas work fine in mainstream
i have spike launched 3 artist
and have 17 more in the works right now.

only thing i was pissed off about was robbie claiming something i talked about years ago (and he said would not work) was something new that he and pr tom came up with today.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

only thing i was pissed off about was robbie claiming something i talked about years ago (and he said would not work) was something new that he and pr tom came up with today.

And that's because you're so egotistical that instead of reading what I really said you read it the way you wanted to. MY idea to work with signage is a new one for porn. It's gonna make for some funny spots in the set up. Whether it actually makes a dollar or not I have no idea. I'm thinking in terms of creativity within my work.

YOU on the other hand are trying to insinuate that you came up with that idea yourself as a marketing ploy...when in reality it has been done in Hollywood since the first movie was made. You just try to rename stuff and double talk so it sounds different. Sorry Gideon a "Sanitation Engineer" is still just a Janitor.

That's why I always advise you to stay out of these conversations. You are so misguided and in a fantasy world that you don't read what people actually say very carefully.

I wish you'd decide tomorrow that you're a race car driver so you would go to a race car drivers forum and tell them what they are doing wrong.

I honestly have no idea why you are posting on GFY. You aren't in this business, and everytime I have asked you to actually implement your shit in the adult online business...you tell me that it's not worth your time because mainstream will make you so much more money.

So you're not in adult, and you have no plans of doing adult. So why are you here everyday?

[TheDoc]

Holy crap, you two fuck and get it over with.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Holy crap, you two fuck and get it over with.

[SabrinaDeep]

Traffic doesn't mean everything. I have the same traffic of last year and i have 400% more sales with 73% rebills in the first 7 months of 2009 compared to the whole 2008 already. Saturation and content are the problems for those who have problems, in my opinion. Cut some plastic, stop dyeing some hair, edit a bit less and give users a bit more personality and human relations and especially stop posting tons of free content in tubes. Free content and lowered prices shut porn biz down, not the economy and not even tubes. The era of signing for 100$ per sale, cropping, submitting then sitting and waiting is ended. As usual my pretty much unheard 2 cents ;-)

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Sure would be nice if Eric would finally open a section that is unreadable and unviewable by anybody except actual people who can prove that they are in this business.

Err, you don't have access to the private section? I figured you would. Most of us are in there already.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Err, you don't have access to the private section? I figured you would. Most of us are in there already.

Heh-heh. I had stopped posting on here for a few years, I started posting regularly again when I opened up claudia-marie.com...and when I first came back I would see people posting about the "secret section" and it would piss me off!

It took me a couple of weeks being back to realize I was marking out. I didn't have my "GFY Legs" back yet.

[wizzart]

that's why you all should buy my script Porn Tube Leecher

[Martin]

Where is this private section? I've been a member of gfy since day one.lol.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Martin

Where is this private section? I've been a member of gfy since day one.lol.

You just have to email this periods stats screenshot from your best sponsor to eric AT adult DOT com and he'll decide

[Carmine Raguso]

Forum Area 51? Fuck I let the cat out of the bag

[Robbie]

Fuck, I asked Eric about it. He checked my status and placed me in the GFY TrailerPark forum. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/forumd...hp?trailerpark

I logged in using the supersecret password only to find the only three people in that section are me and pussyserver and franck

[DavieVegas]

so after reading countless comments anyone really have any idea how to solve this as much as possible?

[Doctor Feelgood]

Originally Posted by DavieVegas

so after reading countless comments anyone really have any idea how to solve this as much as possible?

i allready gave you guys the answer months ago.

you hire someone to take the fall and get a big company to sue him for uploading videos to someone elses tube site. you pay him to admit he did it and to say he is sorry but he loses in court. he then pays the big company fake money that they let him use. the news stations hear about it and then the surfer will be afraid to upload anything. but the plan has to be kept secret.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by budsbabes

threads that always get derailed by gideon who can't get his marketing ideas to work in mainstream yet tries to apply them to adult where they have even less application.

would suck to work in the cubicle next to him.

True dat!

[Dennis69]

Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood

i allready gave you guys the answer months ago.

you hire someone to take the fall and get a big company to sue him for uploading videos to someone elses tube site. you pay him to admit he did it and to say he is sorry but he loses in court. he then pays the big company fake money that they let him use. the news stations hear about it and then the surfer will be afraid to upload anything. but the plan has to be kept secret.

Sorry to burst your bubble but 99.9% of the time it ain't surfers uploading the vids!