What have tubes done? Traffic thread ((PICS))

[teomaxxx]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I know for a fact, some tubes... can produce 100+ signups to a single sponsor in a day, from a single link.

Every time, every video, every day.. probably not... but 100+ sales a day from a site like youporn, fo damn sure!

Originally Posted by teomaxxx

I recently talked to a well know GFY member, who advertised his new "shocking" reality type of site on pornhub and he had some interesting stats - he did something like a 20SUs in a one hour, but at the end he lost money anyway - as the costs of advertisment were higher then earned money.

while he is doing well with his site on thehun paid spots like there was 2003-07 again and its his own site. from what i have talked to him, even the other guys are lucky to earn what they paid for on pornhub and they are all owners, so they dont share the income.

its not as rosy as you described it.

[Vjo]

Originally Posted by teomaxxx

I recently talked to a well know GFY member, who advertised his new "shocking" reality type of site on pornhub and he had some interesting stats - he did something like a 20SUs in a one hour, but at the end he lost money anyway - as the costs of advertisment were higher then earned money.

There in lies the entire problem today... margins. The mega tube site owners ctr is prob so shitty that his bw kills him. Certainly he would lower price IF he could.

Were all paying for his bw one way or another. The tube biz model has fucked up margins across the board by deluding the piss out of non search traffic to the point that only guys with mega traffic can squeek out a living on today's margins.

[SomeCreep]

Here is the bottom line, in my opinion. For every surfer that joins a paysite through a tube site, 10 other tube site surfers that used to join paysites, will not. So for every 1 dollar generated by tube sites, the industry as a whole loses 10 dollars.

[teomaxxx]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Having a premium link on a tube, producing 100 sales a day... for damn sure... Sustain that, probably not.. 50+ a day, without question. After several months, never changing... 20 day steady.

even with 50 a day you could be loosing your ass on big tubes as the cost of advertisment are a bit higher.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by teomaxxx

while he is doing well with his site on thehun paid spots like there was 2003-07 again and its his own site. from what i have talked to him, even the other guys are lucky to earn what they paid for on pornhub and they are all owners, so they dont share the income.

its not as rosy as you described it.

Making money in the free market is never easy, never has been. Affiliates for sure get the short end of the stick. If you buy a pre-paid slot, that's an affiliate - money is split either way. The only real winner is the tube site owner, how most traffic works though :/

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Here is the bottom line, in my opinion. For every surfer that joins a paysite through a tube site, 10 other tube site surfers that used to join paysites, will not. So for every 1 dollar generated by tube sites, the industry as a whole loses 10 dollars.

You "assume" that surfers can't be sold once they found a tube. That's crazy talk.

Your problem is, you can't market to people on the tube, thus you can't sell them.

They can damn sure be sold... porn freak, piracy loving, stealing nut cases that swear they will never buy porn again... will buy again.

[Nicky]

Pornhub claims they have over 10,000,000 uniques per day.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by teomaxxx

even with 50 a day you could be loosing your ass on big tubes as the cost of advertisment are a bit higher.

That's one income source. Assume they sold the spot, the tube is often the winner in the deal leaving the paysite owner to make sure they monetize fully. Then they have dating, paid videos, banner spots, self content uploads, branding, etc...

Not all, but most of the big illegal tubes are clearly owned by paysites or other big networks of sites. The cost is simply absorbed helping lower the cost of everything else.

[nation-x]

other than the short time I set my skim to 10% to do a test and the site grew to 220k/day... my traffic has been fairly stable... granted I don't have as much traffic on this site as those older tgps... but I run 200 sites.

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

You "assume" that surfers can't be sold once they found a tube. That's crazy talk.

Your problem is, you can't market to people on the tube, thus you can't sell them.

They can damn sure be sold... porn freak, piracy loving, stealing nut cases that swear they will never buy porn again... will buy again.

I agree, there is a percentage of surfers who continue to buy porn memberships even after they've been exposed to tube sites. That does not negate the fact that there is a much larger percentage of surfers who stop buying porn memberships once they've been exposed to tubes. How else would you explain the drastic secular decline in our industry? It's the tubes.

Your point seems to be that there is money to be made from tubes and I agree with that. My point is that overall, for every 1 dollar generated by these tube sites, the industry as a whole loses 10 dollars.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I'm not reading this entire thread - the topic is a bit stupid.

You are using Alexa to compare two totally different areas of our Industry.

TGP's do not retain visitors like Tubes do based on the Design of the site. They don't have the raw content pages, thus far less raw exposure. This alone will toss Alexa off greatly.

They don't have the social links, the mad amounts of crap forum leaching traffic from Asian networks.. All mixed together this gives the Tube the ability to look like it's far superior..

Look at a Tube and a TGP that you know get about the same amount of Uniques and the tube will appear to rank much higher in Alexa.

I disagree. If the graphs only show the trends, they tell the truth.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

When it comes to caliber, I have two nuns carry my cock.



When you look at old out dated sites that don't hosted content, that don't do anything new forever, that think the same old is the new. Then you aren't looking at fair stats.

Add Freeones in the mix and the rules change. The change today is very little, the two bigger tubes have grown slowly over Freeones now. But the example remains..

Tubes aren't as big as Alexa makes them look AND making a kick as quality porn site - giving surfers quality porn on demand.. is what they want.

Not a bunch of crap filled, crap content, that out links to crap sites, that make you download crap 2 minute videos.. that do have virus/toolbar install crap. Pics/vids of the same crap, day after day... when that isn't what the surfer wants. It's what was forced on them.

Freeones's traffic is on the slip. Are you saying tubes are good for this business? It sounds like you are. I am with Carmine. You are an idiot.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

When it comes to caliber, I have two nuns carry my cock.



When you look at old out dated sites that don't hosted content, that don't do anything new forever, that think the same old is the new. Then you aren't looking at fair stats.

Add Freeones in the mix and the rules change. The change today is very little, the two bigger tubes have grown slowly over Freeones now. But the example remains..

Tubes aren't as big as Alexa makes them look AND making a kick as quality porn site - giving surfers quality porn on demand.. is what they want.

Not a bunch of crap filled, crap content, that out links to crap sites, that make you download crap 2 minute videos.. that do have virus/toolbar install crap. Pics/vids of the same crap, day after day... when that isn't what the surfer wants. It's what was forced on them.

I like how you slipped in data from 2007-2008, we are in the 2nd half of 2009 buddy.

[whorehole]

"I'd like to know what tubesite out there can post a link around a movie and make 100 sales a day"


Robbie- I'm skeptical of that myself.. bigtime. I'm sure tube sites can produce sales, but 100 a day is alot obviously.

but I would like to just see tubes sites posting links around movies. Period- as a starter.

My biggest irritation and head scratcher w the tubes is that they don't involve the paysites at all- they could be getting a good chunk of sales. And we'd be getting something out of the deal- but the bulk of them are just blowing through bandwidth giving away everything they can leaving tons of potential income on the table.

People can say what they will about oneclicktube, but I think his model is alot better than say Tube8.. I don't have a problem giving a tubesite that will market my paysite, some 3 minute clips. To me, thats just a modern day version of the FHG, with viral possibilites. Same goes for Snizzshare.. thats the model right there.


So any tube site owners reading this- ask yourself: "Am I accepting 3-5min clips from paysites and putting up banners and links to the program around the video?"

Because if you aren't you are leaving easy money on the table.

How many cam sites is a guy really gonna join? Give the surfers some options.

but having clips on a tube site with no links back whatsoever.. whats the point

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I like how you slipped in data from 2007-2008, we are in the 2nd half of 2009 buddy.

It's an old screenshot from my blog and later I linked the current range, which you can go check at complete.. 2008 Dec is the peak for them, feb dropped - which happened last year too, and they continue to grow. Look it up yourself at complete.com


Stop being pissed because you don't get it.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

I agree, there is a percentage of surfers who continue to buy porn memberships even after they've been exposed to tube sites. That does not negate the fact that there is a much larger percentage of surfers who stop buying porn memberships once they've been exposed to tubes. How else would you explain the drastic secular decline in our industry? It's the tubes.

Your point seems to be that there is money to be made from tubes and I agree with that. My point is that overall, for every 1 dollar generated by these tube sites, the industry as a whole loses 10 dollars.

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I disagree. If the graphs only show the trends, they tell the truth.

My org point was that using Alexa to gauge tubes vs tgps doesn't tell you anything of value. Not how many sales, money, if they suck or not..

Adding to that, using Alexa and thinking something is going down is traffic, isn't wise. The traffic graphs you see are crap. Alexa "is a browser plugin" that is "dropping" on US/UK/AU/CA sources and increasing on Asian sources.

What you see happening in tubes can be duplicated, faked... XXXjay - Are you going to tell me nobody has tried to sell you traffic to fake your Alexa ranking? Difference is, tubes aren't faking it.. but the "reason" it can be faked, is why they look so holy large.


SomeCreep to your comment on the 1 to 10... At this point, you are correct it is prob something like that. But that's only because we can't reach the people at mass levels.

Things would be very different if the biggest of tubes openly shared the traffic and owners uploaded big videos... things would work more like a gallery posts do, just the rules would be different.

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

My org point was that using Alexa to gauge tubes vs tgps doesn't tell you anything of value. Not how many sales, money, if they suck or not..

Adding to that, using Alexa and thinking something is going down is traffic, isn't wise. The traffic graphs you see are crap. Alexa "is a browser plugin" that is "dropping" on US/UK/AU/CA sources and increasing on Asian sources.

What you see happening in tubes can be duplicated, faked... XXXjay - Are you going to tell me nobody has tried to sell you traffic to fake your Alexa ranking? Difference is, tubes aren't faking it.. but the "reason" it can be faked, is why they look so holy large.


SomeCreep to your comment on the 1 to 10... At this point, you are correct it is prob something like that. But that's only because we can't reach the people at mass levels.

Things would be very different if the biggest of tubes openly shared the traffic and owners uploaded big videos... things would work more like a gallery posts do, just the rules would be different.

Listen clownshoes, the fact is that what I posted shows that LEGITIMATE TGPs that used to generate money for this industry in a legimate manner without stealing people's hard earned work HAVE TANKED in traffic numbers. WHAT I HAVE SHOWN is that PAYSITES that used to PAY THESE PEOPLE THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY's traffic has also TANKED.

Whatin God's good fucking name do you NOT understand? You are like talking to a brick fucking wall. Here, I have a sticker for your helmet.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

Listen clownshoes, the fact is that what I posted shows that LEGITIMATE TGPs that used to generate money for this industry in a legimate manner without stealing people's hard earned work HAVE TANKED in traffic numbers. WHAT I HAVE SHOWN is that PAYSITES that used to PAY THESE PEOPLE THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY's traffic has also TANKED.

Whatin God's good fucking name do you NOT understand? You are like talking to a brick fucking wall. Here, I have a sticker for your helmet.

Yawn... they where tanking before tubes came around ass hat.

[chemicaleyes]

Great thread

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Yawn... they where tanking before tubes came around ass hat.

No excuse. Traffic may have been on the decline for numerous reason, but not the way they tanked. Look at the graphs again Sherlock. Look when the tubes spawned and look when the TGPs died. If you can not see that? I seriously hope you never have children and if you do? I hope there is a grown adult around to watch them

Nice try though. The only thing you have proved is that you are a newfag that has been arouns since what? 2000? Have a few failed TGPs, some of which you let the domains just go... and you are going to school who on what?

Go back to your douchebaggery of a blog nobody reads and whine there about it.

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

My org point was that using Alexa to gauge tubes vs tgps doesn't tell you anything of value. Not how many sales, money, if they suck or not..

Adding to that, using Alexa and thinking something is going down is traffic, isn't wise. The traffic graphs you see are crap. Alexa "is a browser plugin" that is "dropping" on US/UK/AU/CA sources and increasing on Asian sources.

What you see happening in tubes can be duplicated, faked... XXXjay - Are you going to tell me nobody has tried to sell you traffic to fake your Alexa ranking? Difference is, tubes aren't faking it.. but the "reason" it can be faked, is why they look so holy large.


SomeCreep to your comment on the 1 to 10... At this point, you are correct it is prob something like that. But that's only because we can't reach the people at mass levels.

Things would be very different if the biggest of tubes openly shared the traffic and owners uploaded big videos... things would work more like a gallery posts do, just the rules would be different.

Hurr durr

[TheDoc]

I love it when I shut people down..

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

No excuse. Traffic may have been on the decline for numerous reason, but not the way they tanked. Look at the graphs again Sherlock. Look when the tubes spawned and look when the TGPs died. If you can not see that? I seriously hope you never have children and if you do? I hope there is a grown adult around to watch them

Nice try though. The only thing you have proved is that you are a newfag that has been arouns since what? 2000? Have a few failed TGPs, some of which you let the domains just go... and you are going to school who on what?

Go back to your douchebaggery of a blog nobody reads and whine there about it.

That is a nasty fact people like to skip out on.

Tubes are only like 2 years old, maybe 1 is a little older. So your little attack.. is getting shut down now.



This downtrend we are talked about is NOT 2-3 years old. The "peak" is older than Tubes.

It's more like when the first 2257 regulations came out. That's the spark of the down trend.. 911 too.. then add in the rest the crap over the years, and it never got better.

This has been blamed on Bush, War, 911, Eco, Piracy even then, 2257, other gov legal crap, Xsales, Upsells, Scams, Carding and the list goes on - all before tubes came around.

If anything... today's stats show things starting to level out... in many areas and people starting to reverse last years downtrend. I see that posted often on gfy and I have seen it in several various sets of stats.

Now the Eco is kicking the majority in the balls and you guys can't stop fucking pointing fingers long enough to see or remember, that porn has already changed like 10 times online.. and it's going to continue doing so. So sitting still, ever.. in this industry is a huge f'in mistake.

No go look at your examples... and who never changed? vs new sites, new ideas, big network sites, that don't have the same trends.

It's not everyone, not every affiliate program is down, not every legal free site is down... many are growing, doing great.. seeing more profits, sales, etc than ever.

The tides changed.. but a new one is always coming in.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

sitting still, ever.. in this industry is a huge f'in mistake.

Examples... Myself Shap and others help kickstart CJ's... Think if we still did that exact same sites today, doing the same thing?

Before that, I had windows based search engine spammer submitting to Infoseek and Altavista. Would really suck to still be doing that.

Think if CE still had ran every ones sales, hand paid people, or RC still sent daily fed-ex checks, or nobody ever got cascade billing.

No xsales... no exits, no $35pps no $100 bonus days... no special ways for programs to make up sales that still confuse Affiliates to death.

My gosh... Sooooooooooo much has changed?

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Yet, people can't figure out why gallery posts, that look the same, do the same, run the same bs, same features are failing.. hell, statistically - they should. But they blame something, just like I did with SE's and Circle Jerk sites.

You Can't Stay The Same In This Business Or You Will Die!
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Anyone buying traffic from GTS? I bet they are happy to be busting down some new traffic streams.

It never goes away.. it never stops. Just the the controllers do.

[FreeHugeMovies]

FYI: SleazyTube.com domain is for sale. If you want it contact me!

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by nation-x

other than the short time I set my skim to 10% to do a test and the site grew to 220k/day... my traffic has been fairly stable... granted I don't have as much traffic on this site as those older tgps... but I run 200 sites.

What would you know about TGP or tube sites?

[Mutt]

Alexa has and still is a pretty damn accurate traffic indicator. Always matches up well with my server stats - of course not perfectly but well enough. If a site is getting garbage Asian or South American traffic Alexa shows it.

People with shitty Alexa rankings always have an excuse for why their stats suck and somebody else's are better - cuz they're embarassed.

I'm sure some cockholsters in this industry know how to inflate their Alexa's so they can rip off some newbs or maybe just to impress others.

[TimBlaze]

[fujiko]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

Nigga please. People always have and always will pay for porn. They would rather take the last $20 out of their wallet for a blowjob or a fap rather than go home and buy little Susie and Johnny a Big Mac to feed them. It's the nature of man. Make excuses all you want.

hhaha .. spot on

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's not everyone, not every affiliate program is down, not every legal free site is down... many are growing, doing great.. seeing more profits, sales, etc than ever.

The tides changed.. but a new one is always coming in.

I have to be honest...I have spoke to a lot of program owners, face to face and man to man. I've even looked at a few peoples NATS with them. I have not found one big mega paysite program owner who is "seeing more profits, sales, etc. than ever" Not one.

I've seen a lot of people doing marketing and hoping that there is a big whale out here that might read them claiming that and become their affiliate and save the day.

But TheDoc, I have to tell you...those big guys are in trouble. I have watched with my own eyes what has happened. As an affiliate, it started for me in the second half of 2006. Coincidentally right about the time that tubes and torrents first started to grow.

Alexa doesn't show back far enough to tell the real tale. But I watched my traffic fall from a little over one million uniques a day down to the 600,000 uniques a day range within a couple of months in the last part of 2006.

It didn't bother me because I was still making over a million dollars a year just on affiliate sales.

By the end of 2007 it was in complete free fall and the tubes and torrents were taking over.

And then near the end of 2008, the rebills stopped as people just quit spending money (economy + everything free)

If I were still an affiliate only I would be in the poor house.

I'm sure that there are one or two exceptions to the rule for paysites...hell, I'm one of them, though I'm not "seeing more profits, sales, etc. than ever" but not losing ground either.

But I was KILLING it in Jan. of 2008 with the paysite. Making more money than I ever had with Claudia-Marie.com And good thing because my affiliate sales to other sites were dropping like those alexa graphs.

I have busted ass and monetized things to the point where I am still kicking it. But this bullshit has set me back hard. I'm nowhere near the revenue that I should have been at by now.

And many of the big programs that keep this business alive have watched their profits drop to the point that they can no longer sustain the large number of people working for them. Content producers are going down, many companies that were shooting 3 to 4 scenes a day/ 5 days a week are no longer shooting.

I'm really at a loss to see how or why you think that everything is just peachy.

This is kinda reminding me of that "Baghdad Bob" guy. "Everything is fine"

[mikesinner]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Claudia-Marie.Com had a huge spike back when we first opened in 2007 (as does every good paysite), but since then, I've held my own with it. The problem with paysites getting a lot of traffic these days is the stats you show for TGP's. We TGP owners lost all of our traffic to Tubesites that give away the entire movie. Thus we don't have any traffic to SEND to paysites anymore. Pretty easy to understand, and that's why affiliates aren't able to kick any ass. An affiliate without traffic is in bad shape, and that's what a lot of us affiliates are these days. But to hear some of the guys on here explain it...Tube Sites are converting GREAT! Funny, our shit was all over tubesites...but for some reason neither me or any paysite has suddenly gotten a big boost in traffic and sales. Must be some kind of glitch or something. lol

Tubesites don't sell porn. They sell cams and dating. I think this is the big problem.

[STAROTICA]

obviously what they were not intended to do............

I thought the point of their being was to DRIVE traffic back for SALES!

[chompers]

Originally Posted by ProG

I'm sure there are still some paysites out there that sell ;)

I was thinking the same thing. He made his point. It is important to remember there are some people still doing well.

[OldSchoolJim]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I've never seen any site make that kind of sales. I've seen a thing or two in my time. And I've seen some big sales numbers. But 100 sales (even $1 trials) a day from a link on a video?

I'm skeptical of that BIG time. Your talking about a human being pulling out his credit card. I guess all the marketing in the world just came down to giving 'em a video and putting up a link?

I don't know man. In this day and age getting people to buy a membership to a paysite is pretty tough. I don't offer trial memberships (because I will definitely guarantee you that if any site is sending a paysite 100 sales a day it is NOT full sales), but I will offer trial memberships if I could get 100 sales a day off of a tube site.

You know I own a tube site that comes in at number one on many days for a VERY good keyword. And I'm always in the top five. And I make maybe a sale a week off of that! Conversion ratios are great....because nobody clicks the links to the paysites. lol

I do believe that a monster site like youporn could maybe make the kind of sales that I did on Ampland in 2003. MAYBE. But 100 a day for a link by a vid? I find that real hard to believe. My experience has never shown that to happen.

But I'm definitely up to be educated.

I just can't understand though why all the guys I talk to that own programs with paysites say that sales are a disaster. I guess they didn't get the memo about the 100 sales a day for a link on one of their vids.

Its because you guys NEVER evolve...you think that your sites will sell FOREVER...i dont care if you are selling midgets,trannies...whatever the niche however small.....IT IS STILL an antiquated system...once you realize that....adapt your marketing....and sell what the people want...or else ALL your paysites and the paysites in 99% of programs will STILL suck and people WONT join.....the days of the easy buck are over....everything is new..and the ones that get it will be the ones that last....pretty simple really.......its not the tubes that dictate the market....its the surfers that made the tubes.....they are simply providing what users want.....go point your fingers at youtube for starting the whole thing....users demand full length fast downloads.....the problem is stolen content.....but to blame the decline of the industry on a new medium is pretty small minded.....tubes are here to stay.....you all need to adapt your biz models....why on earth would anyone pay full membership fees for an adult site when MOST OF THEM SUCK.....maybe in 1997 before on demand.....before youtube...before hulu and realtime streaming video.....but today?? no way...they want it fast...they want it free and they want it now.....now you just need to sell them something while they are there......

[psili]

I'm just a casual observer, but why do people continually use "Alexa" as their choice of defining traffic? It's definitely not because they have the best graphs. So why? Is there no other ruler?

[TimBlaze]

Originally Posted by psili

I'm just a casual observer, but why do people continually use "Alexa" as their choice of defining traffic? It's definitely not because they have the best graphs. So why? Is there no other ruler?

its not exact but its generally close

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by TimBlaze

yep started gaining again since they switched to tube layout.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I have to be honest...I have spoke to a lot of program owners, face to face and man to man. I've even looked at a few peoples NATS with them. I have not found one big mega paysite program owner who is "seeing more profits, sales, etc. than ever" Not one.

Well the GFY has a lot of people telling stories, a few that posted stats too. And I know Duke Dollars is rockin it.. the man posted it himself, record year several months so far and I will proudly confirm it.

I know people kicking ass today, often don't admit it because our industry is the copy freaks of the Internet. If you come up with a half ass decent niche and someone gets wind of it... it's copied 10 times over.

Originally Posted by Robbie

I've seen a lot of people doing marketing and hoping that there is a big whale out here that might read them claiming that and become their affiliate and save the day.

I would say to these people.... Stop looking for affiliates and start looking for people with credit cards. Things change... this has changed too.

Originally Posted by Robbie

But TheDoc, I have to tell you...those big guys are in trouble. I have watched with my own eyes what has happened. As an affiliate, it started for me in the second half of 2006. Coincidentally right about the time that tubes and torrents first started to grow.

You had a hell of a run... the problem was you quit building. One or a handful of properties won't last forever, at least not with out more being built to support it.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Alexa doesn't show back far enough to tell the real tale. But I watched my traffic fall from a little over one million uniques a day down to the 600,000 uniques a day range within a couple of months in the last part of 2006.

How many new sites have you created to support this major site?

Have you opened yourself up to social networks in a large way, and used them to feed your other social network/bookmark sites, and reached out to your Visitors to build a relationship with them?

You stated on a trend.. did you follow the along or stop?

Originally Posted by Robbie

It didn't bother me because I was still making over a million dollars a year just on affiliate sales.

By the end of 2007 it was in complete free fall and the tubes and torrents were taking over.

Torrents were going far before 2007 along with piracy... which was just as big if not bigger, it was for sure in the media more before 2006.

Originally Posted by Robbie

And then near the end of 2008, the rebills stopped as people just quit spending money (economy + everything free)

Everything free isn't what's doing it.. eco is a bitch, but people still have money. The question is, are you reaching new people or the same old people?

And credit card fraud, hundreds of millions of card cancels, super hurricanes and massive floods, fires, and natural disasters, fires in eu.. talking what, a few 100 million people at least, displaced?

Originally Posted by Robbie

If I were still an affiliate only I would be in the poor house.

Agreed 1000 times over... same here. Having your own product, at least one tiny thing, is key.

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm sure that there are one or two exceptions to the rule for paysites...hell, I'm one of them, though I'm not "seeing more profits, sales, etc. than ever" but not losing ground either.

But I was KILLING it in Jan. of 2008 with the paysite. Making more money than I ever had with Claudia-Marie.com And good thing because my affiliate sales to other sites were dropping like those alexa graphs.

Affiliates.. what is your ratio of affiliate sales vs. internal sales?

Originally Posted by Robbie

I have busted ass and monetized things to the point where I am still kicking it. But this bullshit has set me back hard. I'm nowhere near the revenue that I should have been at by now.

And many of the big programs that keep this business alive have watched their profits drop to the point that they can no longer sustain the large number of people working for them. Content producers are going down, many companies that were shooting 3 to 4 scenes a day/ 5 days a week are no longer shooting.

Way back in the day we had CE, Xpics, Intergal and even Maxcash.. to TCG, Python and so on.. The leaders of our Industry have continually fallen. Some get up, others don't.

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm really at a loss to see how or why you think that everything is just peachy.

Because if one program can do 500 sales a day and you are bitching that you can't get your sales up.. well it means, you are doing something wrong.. not that someone is taking something away from you.

I also know for a fact people still spend money, in America and all over the world.. Just because the trends changed and the money moved, doesn't mean it's dead, bad or dieing...

Everything is more than peachy.. it's super green.

Originally Posted by Robbie

This is kinda reminding me of that "Baghdad Bob" guy. "Everything is fine"

Not sure who that is.. I don't get on the TV much, too busy following trends

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Nicky

yep started gaining again since they switched to tube layout.

Quantity does not equal quality. AskJolene's traffic used to be bomb and convert better than Adwords, I doubt it will continue to after surfers have unloaded on a few of those 25 minute videos.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by OldSchoolJim

Its because you guys NEVER evolve...you think that your sites will sell FOREVER

LOL! I hope that when you said "you guys" you weren't talking to me. I've been ahead of the pack for the last dozen years online.

In case you didn't know...I made Claudia-Marie.Com into the first true Tube/Paysite about 6 months ago. The tour and the members area. Add in the fact that I also did LIVE streaming sex shows (HARDCORE b/g) since the the fall of 2007 along with her forum and "regular" nude webcam chat with members and you are definitely not talking to me. We do good. But the big generic sites? Times are hard on them.

So what have YOU done to "evolve" OldSchoolJim? I love hearing new ideas and new ways to implement things.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I love it when I shut people down..

Shut people down? They probably got sick of replying to your inane bullshit.

If you can't look at those graphs and see what is going on then you have really lost it.

[Vjo]

Doc, how bigga tube you run.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Well the GFY has a lot of people telling stories, a few that posted stats too. And I know Duke Dollars is rockin it.. the man posted it himself, record year several months so far and I will proudly confirm it.

Cool! I personally never made a lot promoting their stuff, but I'm always happy to hear somebody is doing well.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I know people kicking ass today, often don't admit it because our industry is the copy freaks of the Internet. If you come up with a half ass decent niche and someone gets wind of it... it's copied 10 times over.

Maybe. But I'm talking personal friends of mine that own a lot of big programs. And when I'm sitting there man to man with them and they tell me what they are seeing in sales, not to mention all the ICQ's I've gotten from people formerly employed and now asking me for work, I have to think the majority are NOT kicking ass.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

You had a hell of a run... the problem was you quit building. One or a handful of properties won't last forever, at least not with out more being built to support it.

That's not true at all. We were always working and always pushing to make our stuff the best. From creating entire porn parody comedy sites to implementing "web 2.0" before we even knew what it meant...we were constantly changing and coming up with new things to entertain people. When the tubes and torrents started taking our traffic we didn't even understand what was happening. Matter of fact, it led to the dissolution of my former partnership. My partners thought I was doing something to cause us to lose traffic! LOL! The arguments over that led to a split. Little did we know that in Nov. of 2006 we were just seeing the beginning of what we have today. We had no idea what a "torrent" was.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

How many new sites have you created to support this major site?

Have you opened yourself up to social networks in a large way, and used them to feed your other social network/bookmark sites, and reached out to your Visitors to build a relationship with them?

You stated on a trend.. did you follow the along or stop?

Answer is "yes". I was on top of myspace when it first came out...pushing our tgps. There is and was ZERO interest in us. Conversely I have pushed CM on myspace, twitter, and facebook with EXCELLENT results. But again, the things we do are a little different on that site and apparently meet the needs of the big tit niche in a different way than what is out there currently.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Torrents were going far before 2007 along with piracy... which was just as big if not bigger, it was for sure in the media more before 2006.

Difference is...nobody knew about them on a major scale. Not one person that I knew in 2006 had any idea what a "torrent" was. These days? Every person that has a computer knows what they are...and knows that the entire members areas of most paysites are ripped on them.

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Affiliates.. what is your ratio of affiliate sales vs. internal sales?[QUOTE]
I just looked at NATS. In the last 10 minutes I had 4 sales come in. 3 were type ins, 1 from an affiliate.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Everything is more than peachy.. it's super green.

Okay, so all those companies cutting back on shooting new scenes and all the people who are now looking for work in the porn biz because they got laid off is an indication of good times? Hell, I think the big companies are still bloated. I can do everything I do with just me and my programmer. But still...apparently there was enough fat on the bone until now to be way overbloated for those companies...but not anymore. Wonder why? Because everything is "super green"?

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Not sure who that is.. I don't get on the TV much, too busy following trends

Now you're pulling my leg. He was the guy who worked as publicist for Saddam when we invaded Iraq and our troops were inside of Baghdad and he was appearing on televison claiming that they were winning the war. lol

[slapass]

how can anyone pretend to deny that tubes are effecting the industry and not for the better? Give away tons of free shit and see how much they pay for?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I know people kicking ass today, often don't admit it because our industry is the copy freaks of the Internet. If you come up with a half ass decent niche and someone gets wind of it... it's copied 10 times over.

If you do something right and you master it...it's damn hard for anybody to copy it. "Often imitated, NEVER duplicated" is a good mantra.

Otherwise we'd all just open a tube site and fill it with full length vids and have 10 million uniques a day. Or we'd all just make model pages like Freeones and have their traffic. Or you could just find a big tit blonde and film her fucking and take me down. And while people are at it they could just learn the guitar licks from all the Van Halen albums and be a millionaire rock star.

You know it ain't like that.

[Sausage]

Haha another tube bashing thread.

It's not rocket science guys, those sites that have falling traffic much like linklists haven't really updated their old 1998 methods. Adapt or die, pretty simple. The very nature of surfing has changed, and tube surfers do buy when they see some good content.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Vjo

Doc, how bigga tube you run.

Assume I have never owned a tube or any adult free sites, ever. Does that change anything that I have said?

[slapass]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Everything is more than peachy.. it's super green.

You can't believe for a second that their is more money in porn now then in 2006. Everyone needs to be positive and move forward, I agree but this is just a lie and you are too smart to not know that.

[96ukssob]

adapt or die

you think the people at the VHS rental store are still bitching? no, they now rent DVDs.

again... adapt or die

[cosis]

Originally Posted by bossku69

adapt or die

you think the people at the VHS rental store are still bitching? no, they now rent DVDs.

again... adapt or die

Actually finding a video rental store is pretty tough these day's