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Originally Posted by Robbie
You didn't tell me anything gideon! You sir, have NEVER said that signage is a good idea Pimproll Tom did:
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i suggest you do a search on this site because it was in one of the many conversations where you told me product placement would not work in porn
while i said it would.
i clearly spelled out the 3 levels of product placement including a clip from studio 60 on the sunset strip explaining it.
i still have the clip from the show on one of my hard drives (even though it is now gone from youtube)
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My reply to Tom was:
Where do you see me laying "claim" to that idea?
The "creativity" comes from using comedic setups for the branding. As far as I know NOBODY has ever done that in porn.
You have such trouble comprehending what is being said here. The only "creativity" is in HOW I am going to do it. And since you don't have a creative bone in your trolling little body you just can't understand this.
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how about when mayors money had brooke skye cleaning up for a cam show to the benny hill music
or repeated use of signage by anabolic for their audition video series.
Your "creative" idea is just a minor extension those previous successes.
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Gideon the only thing you have ever babbled about was your dumbass "branding bugs" AND I EXPLAINED TO YOU THAT THEY WERE NOT "BRANDING BUGS" BUT SIMPLY PRODUCT PLACEMENT THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN HOLLYWOOD FOR DECADES
YOU are the person who keeps coming on here claiming to have invented marketing techniques that have been used for decades.
I never laid claim in my post to coming up with an idea that has been around since the beginning of film. What I said was that Tom had a great fucking idea. And the way he laid it out led my mind to another CREATIVE way for me to do it.
Your references to "branding bugs" in the past were all about trying to sell ANOTHER product like Hollywood does.
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branding bugs is not product placement, your own next statement proves it
branding bugs is an extension of that what on now what on next bumper that goes across the screen (selling the show , selling the next show)
the problem is hollywood is making the same stupid mistake that you are making with your assumption.
They fail to work, and create a significant improvement at all, when done wrong. (leverage, burn notice)
however when done right they can turn a low grade signage product placement (1/18) into something that is superior to a product intergration (1/2). That is what we came up with. And yes using a technology in the right way when everyone else is using it bass ackwards is innovative.
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You see Gideon...television and Hollywood are not selling the movie or television show WITHIN the television show.
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oh really
trading signage is just an extension of trading content sets in this industry
you have to be a complete moron to not realize that would work too.
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Yes, Captain Obvious, they can get paid a fee to promote SOMETHING ELSE within the movie or television show. That does NOT work in porn. Nobody will pay me money upfront to put a mention of their pornsite on my porn movies in the HOPE that they will be stolen, pirated, and seen by millions of freeloading gideongalleries around the world who will then magically reach into their pockets and buy a membership to their website that was promoted on my stolen video.
And yes, Captain Obvious, IF I owned a line of lingerie...or a dildo company...I probably could make a sale or two.
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please there are 15900 possible product placement combinations if you use the q ratio metrics.
What you are describing is just one of those combinations (upfront payment, purchase decision placement, signage)
Plain and simple some product placement will not work in porn (some will not work in internet distributed tv either)
however not all product placement will fail in porn (same is true in the case of internet distributed tv)
The two are closer then you think, and some of the 15900 that have worked in the work when tv shows are stolen on bit torrent will also work in porn
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But NONE of that was what PR Tom was talking about or what I was expounding on. Tom was talking about a very cool way to try and brand the site that the actual video came from.
You sir are so obtuse and narrow minded and narcissistic that you are unable to understand that you are NOT even in this business and as a matter of fact you are not in ANY online business.
Please go away and let the grown ups have a conversation. Play with your branding bugs or something.
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pr tom was and is still talking about signage, used in a very limited way, to sell promote a video. It doesn't take a genius to realize that if mainstream companies are trading signage, and porn companies have been trading content sets for years, similar deals can be made for signage.
Your cluelessly thinking that taking a
step backwards from what i was talking about is some great creative leap forward.