SeeSea

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
now we are talking!

I did the original:
face-fuckers.com
hardcorediary.com
lipsticklovin.com
upskirtnymphos.com
xxxmoviepass.net

And am still owed money for them. They were redesigned again at some point and other designers did them.

My partner did the sinfulbucks site and many other sites for other companies.

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SR

I should go to bed before I get weird dreams about this

SR

I did bustynymphos
One of my first designs I ever did
Nothing too special
You can use it if you want.
I did more work and got paid a part so hard to say which sites I got paid for and which sites I didn't get paid for

BuckNaked

Okay, just finished the turkey, and came on to check out the board and BAM big conspiracy going on...

First off let me say that other then teen angel who i've made arrangements to pay, I have made payments to everyone, I am not a cheater, I am just a really slow payer as I said in Angel's thread... I apologize for that, what I expected to happen and what really did happen most of the time were never the same, I still make payments to them, unlike others in this business.

Now as far as traci and the liquidbydesign issues, a couple of things...

1: Traci and I are not the same person, if you went to florida in august, we sat beside each other at scarletts and I bought her a lap dance... Others can vouge for that.

2: Traci is one of my best friends, who has been going through a lot of personal crap, she got overextended on a lot of work, and couldn't pay people. When I left adult.com a few weeks ago, she asked for my help to get work finished so she could get paid and Pay bat and his buddy who did work for her... In exchange for my helping her, she was going to give me 75% ownership of the business which isn't bad, saves me from starting over again right? So I took over design duties, as bat wouldn't work anymore, which I don't blame him, I knew it would get better if I could just get a handle on the work.

One job was the completion of mens-network for Darren, the orders piled up and I got a little overwhelmed, and things were taking longer then I had promised with darren. I am resonsible for mens-network not being completed, as I told traci I could handle it all...


As far as I know regarding The PRIVATEGOLD contest, ice cold paid all monies owed for the contest, from what she told me they still owe her money for design work completed for later projects, which she hasn't recieved.


Brad(sin empire) The sites you purchased from Traci were my sites and my program and due to the circumstances I was in she acted as broker for said sites, I owe Sea Sea, SR, danevans, and Angel monies which I am paying back for those designs, the domains are mine which have been transferred to you as well...

AS far as Bat and the money owed to him, he will be paid by traci, and since he will be paid, all designs are the property of Liquid or the clients they were completed for, because no matter what she will still owe him the money, and I know in my heart that she's not going to not pay him...


Amateurcamscash is not owned by traci, I personally have a minor stake in it and asked her to spam it on her icq to drum up business...

Darren if you still want me to complete the mens-network site let me know, I have a sample of it to show you so that is up to you...

That's about it... To anyone I owe money to, I am making arrangements, that's the best I can do right now other than sincerely apologize...


Thanks...

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I haven't had time to read all this yet, but batdelfuego is just finishing up a design for one of my sites, too.

He does great work.

SeeSea

Ok so you say you are going to pay. With all the designs that lbd is getting you should now have some money for payments.

Is very interesting that you and traci play the game that you don't know each other..... anything to drum up business huh?
http://the*****************.com/ubb/read.php?TID=824

I trust you still have my paypal address and will see a payment before christmas.

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MrPopup

PrivateGold site rocks.....

dude....im going to be studying your skillz. Good luck.

[The Leader]

Bucknaked, aren't you the guy who was just accusing Hungryman of doing this exact same thing like three days ago?



Holly shit, this is getting crazy.

BuckNaked

Never ever told anyone I didn't know her, when I lost my job I was totally fucked, and this was our way of making a game out of my bad situation...

Nothing more than that...

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BuckNaked

nope, what I was accusing him of was taking advantage of everything I did to help him and fucking me over and slapping my generosity in the face at every turn...

I have never claimed that I didn't owe people money, I do what I can to make the payments to the people I owe...

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Brujah

As far as I can see, bat never said he didn't get paid for PrivateGold design. He said he's still owed about $6,000 for work.

Who owes Bat $6k ? Will he get paid ? When ?
If he did $6k worth of design work, why didn't he get paid ? If you take $7500 and -$400 cost, you have $7100 left just for that one job. That looks like more than $6k to me.

So there's an extra $1100 for a single job, and however much all that other work brought in.

Times are tough. I don't know how you brokers make ends meet.

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Hey Guys, haven't posted forever and hardly at all to boot but take this newby(to the board)seriously.

First of Pensfan..stop covering your ass your full of it in the above posts because you never payed me. So go ahead and make up some bullshit story like you did to cover your ass now.

I just read most of the posts here in regards to the people who run LBD and have worked for them. Well guess what, I'm another designer who got fucked in the deal. These were the first people I gave a shot with after leaving as one of Lensman's leading designers for almost three years. I knew that liquid by design was new and apparently was just swamped with clients. I tried it out. Things were going fine until it was payday. I worked for them for 5 fucking weeks and didn't get shit. They owed me $ 1000 's. Broken promises from traci and pensfan. Constantly hearing the bullshit below....

"we will wire you money tomorrow" (4 days in a row)which eventually led to
"went on a holiday" which was followed by,
"our clients aren't paying, nobody has the money" bullshit i said to myself.

I waited a couple of more days and started asking questions about my money and put my foot down. I said,"I will not do anymore work until you guys pay me sorry". Pensfan said he understood my position. Then I was thinking, these fucking assholes were on holidays doing what ? Spending mine and apparently other designers money from the posts I previously read. This is just unbelievable. Kinda made sence to me why Traci didn't want to come and meet me when she was in town where I live, she came to see Pensfan. She didn't want to meet the guy she was gonna rip off face to face I suppose. I found this weird because these boneheads offered me a job fulltime with a set salary but she didn't want to meet me. These people are a bunch of total losers who compulsively lied there way out of everything with me. IT's funny, while the money thing was going on regarding my pay, they wouldn't respond to ICQ's or any other method but were right on target when giving me more work and asking about projects being completed and so on.

I was just trying to get of my feet again and gave these people the benifit of the doubt and tried to see it from there point of view as not getting payed. I shorty after realized that they were feeding me bullshit. I know I sound like an asshole myself and you folks are probably like who the fuck is this guy, but try to understand my frustration with getting ripped off. I am just trying to make an honest. I know the other guys here who have dealt with this completely understand me and trust me, I feel for you..all of you.

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TDF

now THATS funny as shit...an admitted spammer...I like it...hahahah

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railz

Chirst I feel bad for all of you who got ripped. I almost got sucked into this as well, but it didn't feel right and I declined.

Thank god I did.

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BuckNaked

Bat was on salary, and his payroll wasn't made last month because of money issues within the company which is why I came on to get things caught up so she could pay him

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you know what Mr vegas, I've been working for Liquid for the past 6 months... I really trusted all she said to me... you were not there when she told me about this contest Liquid needed to win to get clients... She never told me that the contest winner would $7000... All I knew was i was going to get $400 and a bonus... And also Liquid lied all the way with me telling me they never got the money and thats why some of my paychecks were not paid... fuck I gave all I could for Liquid... I builded most of the sites in the portfolio and eventho Traci helped me out a lot in the begining she still lied to me... Then she tell me slick is goign to pay me instead of her... the guy says he did thru wiretransfer and disseapear... I never got the money... Yeah, mabe he really did lie to Traci about payin me, but what yould you be thinking if you were me? Then I get all those other designer telling me they didnt get paid on some deisngs they have done for liquid... What should I think man? tell me?? I ask Traci, she says she will pay me... I'm patient... I wait... Fuck even my girfriend tells me I'm too soft and shoud do something! All I get from traci are you'll get paid I swear... you will... you will... we are not talking about $100 here we are talking about $6000... I was working for Liquid only. I had no other adult clients. I was keepig myself for her company... All I had done was for liquid and nothing for me... I helped her so she could pay me by working for her eventho she owed me money man... I trusted her and didn't want her to go down...

I'll still be waiting for that money... i still have faith in what Buck says... I wont go to Liquids clients and ask them to pay me... But when you hire someone to work for you, and that person work hard and does more than you asked for, dont let him dont, or worst, lie to him... that wont take you anywhere...

God I wish I was perfectly bilingual... I got so much to say...

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HS-Trixxxia

No offense to anyone - but quite frankly - when someone pays you for work that you have to pay someone else for - why not pay the person immediately and take your share and bank it? You people kill me how you play Rockefeller's with other people's sweat and hard work.

Don't you think they have families or lives to maintain? You're off gallavanting with other peoples money while they're worrying about paying their bills? F*ckers.....really.....

Actually, anyone getting work done from a broker should get contracts with the designer - speak with the designer - and only make the final payment when the designer has confirmed he's gotten paid for his work.

GotGauge

I think design contests should ONLY be won by the people that make the design.

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BuckNaked......

No offense there, but if the work is completed and she got paid, she should have paid the guy that sweat to earn his buck before she went off into hiding.

BuckNaked

You're a fucking joke and you got paid 4000.00 which you were only owed 3200.00...

go ahead and deny it...

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Rilose

Come on bro....your full of shit !!!

You offered me a fulltime position for starting out at $50,000 a year. You know that for a fact. Don't call me a joke, I'm posting nothing but the truth. $50,000 divided by 12 is not $3200 Mr.math, it like $4166.666...to be exact, and you never payed me either..someone else did to cover your tab. And then you told me that you were gonna pay him back because you couldn't deal with the fact that someone else picked up your tab. I talked to that person and you never payed them so fuck you dick for lying to my face. You are a liar, and if you and you partner are so different then wake up boy cause you look like she does. You lied to my face and you NEVER tried to deal with it. I kept it quit because I didn't want to start shit, but read above dude. Rumors are rumors sure but they are derived from somewhere. And when a couple different people start compalining about the same thing...guess what..it probably means something. So explain that...fess up to your fuckups dude...you could have even said something to me through it all, "like sorry about all this shit riley, did you ? no you didn't care". Talk shit all you want, the people here can use there judgement. And the people here who know me believe me. You know I am a decent guy and I like designing alot and you like my workl so you say so you wouldn't have tried to hire me fulltime. Well that didn't happen because you din't pay me and lied about so I quit your fucking ass. Not gonna call you names but face it, you need to learn to comunicate with people so they don't missunderstand everything like your trying to convince everyone here of. What was the purpose of my post ? Simple, don't get these people to do your work because the hard working guys/gals designing the shit are left in the gutter while your travelling and golfing or whatever the fuck you do when your so busy and overloaded with work. This tread is fucking stupid but I'm glad I got this shit in the open for anyone else considering.

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TDF

ok..so which designers should we trust?? Im leanin toward TGF,STWOF,and Fletch....anyone else?

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Brujah

Definitely add WebInc.com to the list.

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TDF

nice portfolio..so who shall be the GFY snoop to see if designers are outsourcing and wont get the design done on time?

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I'm just fucking embarrassed that I purchased website domains and associated designs in good faith with REAL money and now I'm learning that on more than half of the work the designers were never paid.

I have NEVER, EVER fucked anybody. Despite falling on hard times here and there throughout the last few years there has never been an obligation or promise that I've broken. It sickens me that you collected from clients and ran with the money to pay your own bills instead of your employees.

It fucking pisses me off that I purchased all of those designs BEFORE the August show and never had the content licenses transferred to me. Finally, just last week, to get this over with I said I'd buy all of the fucking content you guys owned so that I could put an end to this and not have to wait for you people to do the paperwork on the individual images used in the tours.

There is no good faith anymore.

I even paid by PayPal last week with instructions for the 34 content CDs to be overnighted - I don't have them yet. I even gave my own god damned FedEx account number for billing. It's wrong that I have to sit here and wonder if they're even on their way or if you even own them.

If there is any of that content that is unlicensed, so help me god I'll bury both of you.

Lastly, with much sympathy to Traci and her personal problems... who fucking cares. Lying is lying, cheating is cheating.

I'm such a nice fucking guy I ultimately let it slide when I *ALSO* purchased 100 banners at the "introductory special" from liquid by design and they looked like complete dog shit. I saw nicer banners back in 1999. To be fair, Traci did offer to redo them. It's her good fortune that I'm so busy running a few different companies that I blew it off. After all, it DOES take time to delegate the creation of 100 banners on 25 different sites.

Do I even BOTHER ranting about the three months it took to get all of the 16 domains transferred to me? Bloody Hell.

This is my rant and it's justified. I don't know how you two blew all that fucking money but I've paid at least $7000-$8000. Perhaps I shouldn't have aired this all here... but you know what, people need to know this is how you both do business. Shame on you, I can't wait until I receive the content and verify that the licensing is proper so I can PUT THIS AWFUL EXPERIENCE BEHIND ME.



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Oh yeah, and I was obviously a fucking moron for not spending the extra $100 and going to Webinc for 100 banners.

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KRL

Nice site designs! You'll make a shit load of money with your talent and skills!! You've probably got a ton of new clients off this thread so look at the loss as an advertising expense.

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Snowone

I see a very simple solution to this for the designers.

Buy the $49 per year subscription for 99 copyright marks from Digimarc and use it to mark your copyright in the images used on a site when doing spec work, contract work, etc.

For Spec work, use a mark that points to a page on your site that says that you have done the work on spec and have not been paid. The original unmarked PSD's will not be released until full compenstation is recieved.

For contract work that you have recieved a deposit on, use another mark, point it to a different page and state the obvious. You have recieved a deposit payment for the work and will release the original unmarked PSD's when full compenstation is recieved.

If you have recieved full payment, truly trust the other party, or like working at Burger King to pay the bills while waiting for payment then don't mark your work. Or use another Mark and point it to another page stating the copyright for the work is owned by a third party and they will release the unmarked PSD's when they recieve payment.

If you are purchaser of designs, you should be looking for these digimarc marks in images. It'll let you know who really owns the work and if there isn't a mark that there could be cloud over the ownership of the design.

Of course this would put the unscrupulous design broker's nuts or clit in a vice. But it does a good job of removing copyright ownership problems from the plate of designers and design buyers.

;)

archer

people are talking on this thread like 'outsourcing' is some sort of crime. it isn't.

There are a lot of reasons why a designer just might want to do contract work. The least of these reasons is that in theory it should allow him to concentrate on his art rather than the nitty gritty of running a business and getting the jobs in the first place.

There are a lot of reason why a customer might go with a company rather than an individual designer. That way he's banking on the reputation of the company and not on the temperment/reliability of a single person. And a customer might rely on the company to do have the talent either in house or through contract to get the job done on time and on budget.


What IS wrong is when an employer - any employer - does not meet payroll(either salaried or contract workers). PERIOD.

It is also a good idea to vent these problems here and on other boards if all attempts to settle in private in failed.

The industry - both consumers and producers - deserve to know if a company is not living up to its moral and legal obligations.

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Candyman69

damn Brad sorry to hear about all that shit

those guys really fucked up , everyone seems to be getting exposed, and the plot keeps thickening ahah

anyways brad

contact me on icq 58663839

you know the kid that did hte sinempire.com intro

well hes a buddy of mine ,if u ever need anything he'll be able to do some stuff

peace

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sextoyking

Brujah,

thanks for the comments.


As I tell alot of potential customers out there, there are hundreds if not thousands of designers out there in the adult biz, but If you want quality, excellent customer service at a great price, come check us out. I would say on the whole adult net, only about 5 of us pump out the high quality work, not trying to be stuck up here, as I don't design anything, but our team rocks. I think our design and banner portfolio can speak for itself.
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Sin, Brad. hey bro

we have over 12,000 banner samples online, please check us out.

We have 2 guys who only do banners and 1/2 - full page ads, they are experts.

GFY Brad, 100 Animated Banners, $699.00

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sextoyking

Brad,

I meant GFY Special)))

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sternyduke

justin at www.xxxdesign.co.uk just finished some work for me and he's a stand up guy... all the above seem trustworthy too....

archer

brad i don't want to quote your long post but who exactly are you talking about re domains/content etc.

did i miss something in the translation?

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Brad Mitchell

I know WebInc does excellent work... lots of my friends have used you guys and your great work and positive reputation preceeds you. I am guilty of bad judgement, I guess.

I do want to say, for the record, that I will set aside some funds for any designers that come to me possessing the original PSD's for any of my site designs. I never got them with my purchase and they would be nice to have.

I'm not sure what I can do for you but I'd like to be part of a positive solution instead of associated with the 'problem'.

Brad

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SeeSea

Oh so you are saying Pensfan has poor judgement when he accepted the designs? Not to mention your own poor judgement for signing up to that program with those awful quality designs?

Dude we all have a beginning... you can not prey on established designers so you "put new designer's under your wing", make them feel good about getting paid so little to work hard for you. It is all in the game.

Mrvegas, just how long would you continue to promote for a sponsor if they did not pay? How long would you wait before you went public? I have not attempted to "ruin" anyone. The facts speak for themselves. I just stated my side of the facts.

And... why did you edit then delete the original post here?

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Brad,

thanks for the comments. Look for our new portfolio update before xmas. We haven't updated since July, been so damm busy, but we will be adding a few hundred more sites, and thousands of banners / ads.

Btw, it is standard policy at webinc.com, that every customer get's his or her PSD's as soon as the project is completed.

In the past other companies didn't like to give these out for obvious reasons, but we will that once a project is done, paid for. Those psd's are the webmasters property.


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Fletch XXX

Holy Shit.

I just got back from Thanksgiving Dinner, stuffed - hope you all are as plump hehehe .

Nonetheless, this has made quite a tremendous turn.

I must read it all.

I cannot believe its gotten this deep.

Sounds like a lot of people are involved, geez.

I can defintiely vouch for Brad taking care of his designers, Kimmykim hired me quite a few times, and hell usually I was paid before the job was done!

Sucks Sin was hit by such a crooked deal.

Nonetheless, let me read the rest.

TDF - you know you the man dawg.

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Wait, hold on.

I recognize the design for Christian Schoolgirls, because I actually like it.

But this is where I found it.

http://www.paysitedesign.com/CSG/

Who designed this?

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Yeah, who designed it and who owns paysitedesign?

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Hungryman

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HS-Trixxxia

Then again, nobody ever seems to reply to my posts so I'll try this again - but what I'm really getting at is this:

How the hell do you manage to run a business if you are blowing all the money that belongs in great part to the people who are basically - the essence of your business?

If you are in financial trouble, how many times does financial hardship come upon you before people figure out that you may not be a person that knows how to run a tight ship and meets his payments - RESPONSABLY?

I don't know......maybe I'm favoring the underdog here, but I'm just seeing the (correction) hard work of people not getting the recognition it deserves and to stick it deeper in the backside, they aren't getting paid!


Oh.....and mrvegas, I think some of us make sure our own money covers the bills before we go on a shopping spree. Quite frankly, if I don't have the cash to pay someone, I don't make a deal for any work to be done - I have to have it prior to contracting someone to do my work. That's just the way I was taught to do things by my parents and brought those habits into the business world.

Brujah

I think thats the short-term model. Get in, grab the money. When caught, get out, change names, repeat.

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Trixxxia - the reason nobody is answering your question is that... none of those people must be up still. <lol>

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cherrylula

I agree with ya Trixxxia!

I do not understand how someone can hire another, and then not fucking pay them. What about their fucking livelihood???

Some people expect to get paid for their work, so they can pay their bills and fucking live. I think people should go to jail for a crime like this. I know in the real fucking world an employer pays their employee or gets in a lot of trouble. And last I checked the internet qualifies as the real world.

Wake the fuck up people. You cannot run.

BuckNaked

Alright, now it's getting crazy!

Fletch, christianschoolgirls was designed for me by danevans/Nemanja, a pretty decent designer, still owe him a little money but making payments to him as well...

He gave hungryman that site as well as a few others he did which were sold to brad in there to put in his portfolio...

as far as ownership of the psd's and the rights to the designs, those are yours Brad, you paid for the sites, got the domains, as well as the content is on the way.

There was some confusion about the domain transfers, what should have been done was do a paper transfer through directnic after we realized that your domain company and directnic were being difficult, sorry for the inconvenience on that one...


I want to thank Sea Sea, SR, Angel, And Nemanja for working with me on the payments for these projects for so long...

Bat, I know traci will make this right with you, I know she will...

Brad if you would like to hit me up on icq, let me know...

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Go ahead punk, make my day!

Shock and stun me with URLs of a few of your completed $200 paysites.....

Wow me with comments from happy clients ( and their email addresses )

Thrill me with your amazing command of the english language and your ability to write decent copy.

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cherrylula

How the fuck do you just "give" someone a design for their portfolio???

BuckNaked

don't ask me, ask Him...

and trixxia, sorry, I was trying to post to the other messages...

As far as I can tell between personal issues and some payment delays she ended up robbing peter to pay paul over and over so to speak, and then when she had a REALLY slow period which always happens, it all blew up and went into a downward spiral, Like I said, I have been trying to help her cuz she's a damn good friend who just got waaaay behind and panicked I guess...

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