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Old 04-22-2009, 08:00 PM   #1
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XBIZ NEWS: Too Much Media Sues Woman Over Oprano Posts

XBIZ NEWS: Too Much Media Sues Woman Over Oprano Posts

FREEHOLD, N.J. ? Trial begins tomorrow in the case against a Washington state woman, who is accused of making false statements on message boards against Too Much Media, creators of the NATS affiliate-tracking software.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/107439
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Should be a interesting case.
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Anything you post online is public as soon as you press submit — when it’s online it’s a posting; at trial, it’s called evidence
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Anything you post online is public as soon as you press submit ? when it?s online it?s a posting; at trial, it?s called evidence
Yes ,thats true but so many other things have to be considered,that is just one part of the whole process ,so it will be interesting.
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What's funny is it sounds like Minusonebit, but he's a guy from some hick town as far as I remember. Interesting.
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I've always wondered about that.
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interesting, does it mention her nick?
Nope.. but I believe I remember the posts.

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OK... so I don't recall anyone suing TMM when the security breach actually happened. That is serious real issue that to date has never been resolved in terms of who did it. But when someone reported the breach and said that members info was compromised (and can they prove it was not?), they sue the person who wrote it?

And how about the time when everyones stats were compromised and programs stats were being posted here for all to see? Remember that little back door leak? Nobody sued TMM over that and honestly, it seemed pretty damaging for some programs who boasted big sales but had nill. Still, nobody sued them.

If there was never a security breach, there would have not been a story written about it. Perhaps if more details were released regarding the release the story would not have been written in the first place.

I like TMM and am happy with their product and support BUT I am disappointed in hearing this news. It seems to me time and efforts would have been better spent trying to give us a solid answer on the breach and how it happened in the first place and who is responsible for it.

* If that info WAS released and I missed it, someone please clue me in.
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Pornafia is the nic for the Shellee Hale handle.

She took the whole lifecoach thing and carried it over to trying to protect us against porn predators and click-fraud.

She was mostly ignored.

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Is TMM also suing the person who hacked them?
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OK... so I don't recall anyone suing TMM when the security breach actually happened. That is serious real issue that to date has never been resolved in terms of who did it. But when someone reported the breach and said that members info was compromised (and can they prove it was not?), they sue the person who wrote it?

And how about the time when everyones stats were compromised and programs stats were being posted here for all to see? Remember that little back door leak? Nobody sued TMM over that and honestly, it seemed pretty damaging for some programs who boasted big sales but had nill. Still, nobody sued them.

If there was never a security breach, there would have not been a story written about it. Perhaps if more details were released regarding the release the story would not have been written in the first place.

I like TMM and am happy with their product and support BUT I am disappointed in hearing this news. It seems to me time and efforts would have been better spent trying to give us a solid answer on the breach and how it happened in the first place and who is responsible for it.

* If that info WAS released and I missed it, someone please clue me in.

It's been awhile now, and I can't remember which time this was... but I do remember a person attacking TMM, like accusing them of doing the hack or being at fault or maybe it was this person knew who it was.. Either way, I can't remember

If it was just straight out bashing and attacking TMM/NATS, I think 90% of that thread could have been sued... Some people went way off... That's why I think this is something different all together.

And "IF" I'm correct, I can understand what they are doing - maybe this is how they are trying to find out who it was. But if not, I would have to agree with you.
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It's been awhile now, and I can't remember which time this was... but I do remember a person attacking TMM, like accusing them of doing the hack or being at fault or maybe it was this person knew who it was.. Either way, I can't remember

If it was just straight out bashing and attacking TMM/NATS, I think 90% of that thread could have been sued... Some people went way off... That's why I think this is something different all together.

And "IF" I'm correct, I can understand what they are doing - maybe this is how they are trying to find out who it was. But if not, I would have to agree with you.

I agree. I remember the posts too and they were WAY out of line. TMM is doing the right thing here. Everyone can have opinions of course but when opinions are stated as "facts" and then repeated again and again in attempts to discredit a company or individual, without any regard whatsoever for the truth, thats when its time to bring it to a judge.
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It's been awhile now, and I can't remember which time this was... but I do remember a person attacking TMM, like accusing them of doing the hack or being at fault or maybe it was this person knew who it was.. Either way, I can't remember

If it was just straight out bashing and attacking TMM/NATS, I think 90% of that thread could have been sued... Some people went way off... That's why I think this is something different all together.

And "IF" I'm correct, I can understand what they are doing - maybe this is how they are trying to find out who it was. But if not, I would have to agree with you.
Yes it was a blood fest on the boards. I remember that. However, if you step back and look at things, IF personal data was at risk or someone from the inside caused it, and at the time how did anyone know it was not, there was just cause for the blood. After all, we only have TMM telling us there was no data leak, and I hope there was not, but if there was I honestly don't know if we would know about it or not.

I'm not sure how much in damages they are going to get from a blogger, but they could have gone after some much larger fish who were bad mouthing them on the boards if money is what they are after.
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Well, I was thinking the same, but did he ever grave oprano with his presence?

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would a "disclaimer" have saved her from this even going to the courts?


example, I have seen on some other boards, including 4chan, a disclaimer that says something to the effect "The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."


would having such a statement in one's signature be a powerful defence against this kind of action?
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One Mom, One Year, One Mission

The story of Organized Crime and Online Porn
Its reported that $ 258,000,000 a day is earned by the online Porn Industry.
As much as 50% of the revenue earned in Porn is frauduently obtained....

"Pornafia is the story of how one mom infiltrated the porn industry. Follow her journey into the world of organised crime and online porn"

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Looks like she is planning a book launch so l guess she will be happy with the court appearance.
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TMM is very lucky that NJ doesnt have Anti-SLAPP legislation or this could have been a very risky situation....

For those that dont know what Anti-SLAPP is, here is a short description from of all places Wikipedia....

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The U.S. state of California enacted Code of Civil Procedure § 425.16 in 1992, a statute intended to prevent the misuse of litigation in SLAPP suits. It provides for a special motion which a defendant can file at the outset of a lawsuit to strike a complaint where the complaint arises from conduct that falls within the rights of petition or free speech. The statute expressly applies to any writing or speech made in connection with an issue under consideration or review by a legislative, executive, or judicial proceeding, or any other official proceeding authorized by law, but there is no requirement that the writing or speech be promulgated directly to the official body. It also applies to speech in a public forum about an issue of public interest and to any other petition or speech conduct about an issue of public interest.

To win an anti-SLAPP motion, the defendant must first show that the lawsuit is based on constitutionally protected activity. Then, the burden shifts to the plaintiff, to affirmatively present evidence to show that they have a reasonable probability of prevailing on the action. The filing of an anti-SLAPP motion stays all discovery. This feature acts to greatly reduce the cost of litigation to the anti-SLAPP defendant, and can make beating the motion extremely difficult for the plaintiff, because they effectively must prove their case, without the benefit of discovery.
I really dont know the facts of this situation, but at least here in California as soon as someone threatens a suit over free speech, they have to realize that there is a potential Anti-SLAPP motion coming.
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oh fuck ... so i have to take care if i will give out any information that you are hacked? do i have to bring here the nats admin password that was published and used to rip many many databases based on nats? what the fuck is this about? is this about that biggest nats hack? now i really think i didnt woke up this morning ...
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oh fuck ... so i have to take care if i will give out any information that you are hacked? do i have to bring here the nats admin password that was published and used to rip many many databases based on nats? what the fuck is this about? is this about that biggest nats hack? now i really think i didnt woke up this morning ...
oops sorry checking my diary and published in public was mpa admins pass, sorry people post before was fake ... i really didnt woke up today ...
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Lol
I wonder if Banana Claire will get a mention in this tell all book if so l want royalties ...off to call my lawyer now
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sooo much easier to sue on a board like Oprano.


the conversation in court goes like this.

Judge - Where did it happen again?
Lawyer - "Oprano"
Judge - What is that?
Lawyer - an Adult Webmaster board where people discuss the industry.
Judge - OK, relevant to a legal business.


Now this is why I ONLY post on GFY

Judge - Where did it happen again?
Lawyer - GoFuckYourself.com
Judge - Excuse me?
Lawyer - GoFuckYourself.com - it's a url where adult webmsters go to discuss the adult business.
Judge - So your saying someone saidsomething bad about you on a site called , and let me be clear here "GoFuckYourself"
Lawyer - it's a weird name but it's where everyone in adult goes to discuss business and saying slander there can destroy a company in a matter of minuits.
Judge - and the site is called "go fuck yourself . come"? Son, the name is pretty self explainatiory
Lawyer - Your Honer - GoFuckYourself.com is the industry standard for information in the adult business.
Judge - Gofuckyourself is the standard for the adult business?
Lawyer - All the major players in online adult frequent the board many times a week, simple statements there can have a huge effect on someone's business.
Judge - on "gofuckyourself"?
Lawyer _ Yes
Judge - get the fuck out of my courtroom.
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sooo much easier to sue on a board like Oprano.


the conversation in court goes like this.

Judge - Where did it happen again?
Lawyer - "Oprano"
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Lawyer - an Adult Webmaster board where people discuss the industry.
Judge - OK, relevant to a legal business.


Now this is why I ONLY post on GFY

Judge - Where did it happen again?
Lawyer - GoFuckYourself.com
Judge - Excuse me?
Lawyer - GoFuckYourself.com - it's a url where adult webmsters go to discuss the adult business.
Judge - So your saying someone saidsomething bad about you on a site called , and let me be clear here "GoFuckYourself"
Lawyer - it's a weird name but it's where everyone in adult goes to discuss business and saying slander there can destroy a company in a matter of minuits.
Judge - and the site is called "go fuck yourself . come"? Son, the name is pretty self explainatiory
Lawyer - Your Honer - GoFuckYourself.com is the industry standard for information in the adult business.
Judge - Gofuckyourself is the standard for the adult business?
Lawyer - All the major players in online adult frequent the board many times a week, simple statements there can have a huge effect on someone's business.
Judge - on "gofuckyourself"?
Lawyer _ Yes
Judge - get the fuck out of my courtroom.

I see you still have that old sharp wit Sleazy
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I see you still have that old sharp wit Sleazy
Not wit as much as how it would be.

I met her at the mansion a couple years ago. I think I need to do some reading.
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Old 04-23-2009, 01:38 AM   #39
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hahahahahahaha... soooo many lawsuits lately...
YUP, coming out of the woodwork
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Old 04-23-2009, 02:47 AM   #40
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Wonder how much in her book would spark other court dates?
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Old 04-23-2009, 03:32 AM   #41
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She was a nut plain and simple.
I recall her rants on several boards.
Most legal cases come down to who can affors to do what.
I think she may have big problems with John and Charlie as they have lots of bling bling.
Good luck guys go get her.
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Old 04-23-2009, 05:06 AM   #42
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this looks like a lame way to get PR
...ooops Better preface it with "In my opinion this looks like a lame way to get PR."

Bahahaha
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Old 04-23-2009, 05:14 AM   #43
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Why would anyone even show up to court for something like this. It's not like they can actually do anything to her.

The only cases that matter are criminal. Not civil.

This is no criminal case. They're just wasting their money and time.
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Old 04-23-2009, 07:33 AM   #44
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Now this is why I ONLY post on GFY

Judge - Where did it happen again?
Lawyer - GoFuckYourself.com
Judge - Excuse me?
Lawyer - GoFuckYourself.com - it's a url where adult webmsters go to discuss the adult business.
Judge - So your saying someone saidsomething bad about you on a site called , and let me be clear here "GoFuckYourself"
Lawyer - it's a weird name but it's where everyone in adult goes to discuss business and saying slander there can destroy a company in a matter of minuits.
Judge - and the site is called "go fuck yourself . come"? Son, the name is pretty self explainatiory
Lawyer - Your Honer - GoFuckYourself.com is the industry standard for information in the adult business.
Judge - Gofuckyourself is the standard for the adult business?
Lawyer - All the major players in online adult frequent the board many times a week, simple statements there can have a huge effect on someone's business.
Judge - on "gofuckyourself"?
Lawyer _ Yes
Judge - get the fuck out of my courtroom.
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Old 04-23-2009, 07:44 AM   #45
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Nope.. but I believe I remember the posts.
Yep I remember that nick too.. it was always causing trouble on Oprano.
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Old 04-23-2009, 08:04 AM   #46
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sooo much easier to sue on a board like oprano.


The conversation in court goes like this.

Judge - where did it happen again?
Lawyer - "oprano"
judge - what is that?
Lawyer - an adult webmaster board where people discuss the industry.
Judge - ok, relevant to a legal business.


Now this is why i only post on gfy

judge - where did it happen again?
Lawyer - gofuckyourself.com
judge - excuse me?
Lawyer - gofuckyourself.com - it's a url where adult webmsters go to discuss the adult business.
Judge - so your saying someone saidsomething bad about you on a site called , and let me be clear here "gofuckyourself"
lawyer - it's a weird name but it's where everyone in adult goes to discuss business and saying slander there can destroy a company in a matter of minuits.
Judge - and the site is called "go fuck yourself . Come"? Son, the name is pretty self explainatiory
lawyer - your honer - gofuckyourself.com is the industry standard for information in the adult business.
Judge - gofuckyourself is the standard for the adult business?
Lawyer - all the major players in online adult frequent the board many times a week, simple statements there can have a huge effect on someone's business.
Judge - on "gofuckyourself"?
Lawyer _ yes
judge - get the fuck out of my courtroom.
rolfmao!!!
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Interesting. I guess.
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Anything you post online is public as soon as you press submit ? when it?s online it?s a posting; at trial, it?s called evidence
Can you prove it was her posting and not someone else who used her login?
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Old 04-23-2009, 08:25 AM   #49
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I'm starting to like these guys less and less. Looks like a bunch of bitches to me.
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sooo much easier to sue on a board like Oprano.


the conversation in court goes like this.

Judge - Where did it happen again?
Lawyer - "Oprano"
Judge - What is that?
Lawyer - an Adult Webmaster board where people discuss the industry.
Judge - OK, relevant to a legal business.


Now this is why I ONLY post on GFY

Judge - Where did it happen again?
Lawyer - GoFuckYourself.com
Judge - Excuse me?
Lawyer - GoFuckYourself.com - it's a url where adult webmsters go to discuss the adult business.
Judge - So your saying someone saidsomething bad about you on a site called , and let me be clear here "GoFuckYourself"
Lawyer - it's a weird name but it's where everyone in adult goes to discuss business and saying slander there can destroy a company in a matter of minuits.
Judge - and the site is called "go fuck yourself . come"? Son, the name is pretty self explainatiory
Lawyer - Your Honer - GoFuckYourself.com is the industry standard for information in the adult business.
Judge - Gofuckyourself is the standard for the adult business?
Lawyer - All the major players in online adult frequent the board many times a week, simple statements there can have a huge effect on someone's business.
Judge - on "gofuckyourself"?
Lawyer _ Yes
Judge - get the fuck out of my courtroom.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha....
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