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Paul Markham · 04-14-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

Paul, I've been in business for 12 years and as usual, my business is growing. never once have I had to live off my wife's back.
you're a bitter old, one trick fool. Don't try to blame ME for your failures. look in the mirror.

now run along and sell some more of your shit at bargain prices.

No you resort to the tricks of conning people out of their money. Don't blame me for your failure to run an honest business.

As for living off my wife, 6 months ago while Eva was in hospital she lived off me, now with my cancer I live off her. In the future we will be forging ahead as before as a team. It's called a partnership and another concept you don't understand.

Yes we sell cheap content. Do you think we do that because we can't shoot decent content or there is more money in selling cheap? And whose fault is that.

Now run along and sell some more over priced shit memberships. That will make more surfers more wary of buying. With sponsors like you around is it any surprise the customers are getting harder and harder to sell to?

Wonderful place you've arrived at after 12 years.

Paul Markham · 04-14-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

hahaha, is that what my posts look like from the bottom rung?
interesting.

You should know, you're standing on the bottom rung. Or is it the bottom of the barrel?

Mule is spot on with his accusations and most people who have been here a few years know you well. You use personal jibes in your flames. Who cares if Eva and I have been supporting each other in the last few years? That's what a marriage and partnership are about. Who thinks I sell sets for $5 when I could make more selling them for $50? That's the situation of the business today, we adapted and we stayed honest. You copied others and went over to conning people because by your own admission you can't cut it.

Yes anyone who looks at your site can see exactly where you're business knowledge and expertise is. You talk about throwing pearls before swine. One look at your site shows you have nothing new to offer.

Over the last 8 years you have never offered anything new, innovative and just copied others. Now you're copying the method to rip off noobs, you should be less critical of them. They might get educated and learn how to avoid getting ripped off by you.

This thread offers ideas of why we are doing so badly. One of the reasons are sponsors like you. The "get rich quick" era is over. You're a Dodo.

DatingGold · 04-14-2009, 11:40 PM

According to your title my sales are down because I have not read this...

Problem is even if people with lower sales read this, it tells them nothing about how to increase sales.

You have a couple points that almost hit, but alot of the points are wrong in my opinion. But what do I know we have record sales every month.

I will give you kudos though for at least trying to figure it out rather than posting stupid shit.

mule · 04-15-2009, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DatingGold

According to your title my sales are down because I have not read this...

Problem is even if people with lower sales read this, it tells them nothing about how to increase sales.

You have a couple points that almost hit, but alot of the points are wrong in my opinion. But what do I know we have record sales every month.

I will give you kudos though for at least trying to figure it out rather than posting stupid shit.

He makes some very valid points, and it gets people thinking instead of just blindly replicating models that don't work anymore. Which is good. We're all partly responsible for the downward spiral.

Paul Markham · 04-15-2009, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DatingGold

According to your title my sales are down because I have not read this...

Problem is even if people with lower sales read this, it tells them nothing about how to increase sales.

You have a couple points that almost hit, but alot of the points are wrong in my opinion. But what do I know we have record sales every month.

I will give you kudos though for at least trying to figure it out rather than posting stupid shit.

I can tell us how to stop the rot. It won't turn it back to what it was but it will stop sales falling (cue for those to tell us they are doing record sales.

)

Start to treat the customer as number 1.

Stop thinking of him as an "impulse" once off buyer. He's not, he buys month after month and we should treat him like that. If we don't we will end up with once off buyers who only by on impulse. An impulse they will resist more.

Spend more money on the product he gets. It's very simple, we spend too much on surfers who don't spend than on surfers who do spend. Build members areas, give sites more breadth, still within the same niche but a different twist. Keep adding different content, too many sites have 50 scenes with little to choose between them. You've seen 10 and you've seen them all. Changing the girl and the sofa does not change the scene. Give the people producing the content the budgets that allow them to produce great content.

Give members live performances, it's not that expensive and it does add to retention and improve retention.

More flexible join periods. 10, 20, 30 days of his choosing, not a space of time. Not sure if it can be done today, but it can be done if we decide to. A guy who wants to log in 3 times a month is spending $10 a time. Not good value. Yes we would of lost a few joins who would of joined and paid $10 a time. Today he's on a Tube site. We lost everything.

We have to realise the customer is choosing not to spend $30 a month to get a 30 day supply of porn because the Tubes meet his needs better. Until we meet his needs better we can do nothing but dream the customers will come back. I will tell you they will never come back unless we meet their needs.

There are many sites who do all this and still suffering. But are they suffering as badly?

We need to realise the "Gold Rush" days are over and never coming back. It's now a steady slog to earn a good living. Which it always was for most of us.

Great post.

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it gets people thinking instead of just blindly replicating models that don't work anymore. Which is good. We're all partly responsible for the downward spiral.

We need to do more about stopping it than posting on GFY. I have done a few things and when I'm back and working will do more.

Paul Markham · 04-15-2009, 03:53 AM

I'm putting this in a different post because the previous one was aimed at sponsors. This is for affiliates.

Look for sites that meet the customers needs first in the members area. And not yours. Yes it's tough today and you need tools. But more than tools you need willing customers. That came back to buy porn on the Net because they were happy last time.

This is a business of repeat buyers, if they are happy. They may not buy from you or via you next time. But they will stay buying and today that is more important than getting one sign up today.

Your next sign up bought from or via someone else last month.

Think of it as a merry go round. So you keep the customers on the ride.

the.drunk · 04-15-2009, 11:33 PM

my sales are up

Paul Markham · 04-15-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by the.drunk

my sales are up

There has to be one. LOL

Paul Markham · 04-16-2009, 12:59 AM

Let me expand on what I posted before about what sites need to do to get members back. Regarding content.

If I want to watch two or more anonymous people fake sex on a sofa or bed there is absolutely no reason to buy it. The Tubes are full of these scenes and the benefit of them over a paysite is they have the scenes shot by different people, places, ways, styles, etc. So if I don't like the way one scene does it I can go to the next. Or the next. There's no point in joining a payite.

If I join a paysite it has to be for a reason. I have to want to watch the scenes every day, or at least 2 times a week. I want to see something that has personality, identity and individuality. But I don't want 50 or 100 scenes all with the same personality, identity and individuality. Because they then just turn into one scene. Different girl, sofa and cock, but the same scene. I'm buying a months entertainment.

Look at video samples on tours and ask yourself if the content is just different girls or different scenes? In the right niche, style and genre.

Yes there are sites that do it well, but how many and how many churn out porn scenes like they were filling shelves?

We're often selling a month membership. To get a repeat customer coming back month after month we have to have a product he wants to buy because it fills his needs. We have to have sites worth a months membership.

I am biased, I want to know who the girl is, why she's doing this, what she's getting out of it and I want to know she is fucking for real. I don't want to see a girl walk into a room and after the shortest preliminaries start to fuck and fake it as well. And if I did want that I would be finding 100s of scenes just like it on a Tube site.

Yes if you produce porn like this it will get stolen, but at least you have something unique to protect. Sending DMCA's is worth it, because the surfers who are into this style of porn can't get it or be bothered to search for it on a Tube site.

To sell something you have to have something worth buying.

Loch · 04-16-2009, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by budsbabes

your sales are down because you are reading gfy instead of working.

sticks

on monitor

duk75 · 04-20-2014, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

car sales are down by 50%, some of my sponsors are converting 20 TIMES worse than last year, and I bet you if 10 000 dealers start handing out free cars (even not the best models in the World) some car makers will have their sales go down by 2000% too

That is impossible: you cannot go down more than 100%. This is senseless.

fuzebox · 04-20-2014, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by duk75

That is impossible: you cannot go down more than 100%. This is senseless.

What makes this bump amazing is that the original post could have easily been made today and would still be accurate

2030 · 04-20-2014, 11:09 PM

Cliffnotes not reading all that shit

notinmybackyard · 04-20-2014, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MIS

Fact #3. every year, twice the amount of competition if not more are created and marketed across the adult industry. Every month and every year, the piece of pie becomes smaller for everyone. There are limits on what consumers spend in an industry, and the number of sites that share this limit grow faster than the spending limit itself.

Fact #7: Not enough vision and innovation in our industry. Everyone copies someone else's idea, that is why you have website names that made up of generic 4 word keywords that are repetitive over and over again. TeenFuckingBlack, BlackFuckingTeen, AnalTeenBlack, etc the shit gets old after a while. Can you please get some ideas in design and brand building from mainstream web2.0? What is wrong with a digg website for adults? why must every single site be a copy of the past 10,000 sites. Surfers are fucking bored with what we have to offer them, you are not focusing and spending time on user experience as much as you are focusing and spending time on how to setup yet another sponsor program with the same niche content as 10,000 other sites.

"There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come." - Victor Hugo

My response to #Fact 3
From the point of view of my profit margins...
Competition in this industry sinking faster than the Titantic and further like the Titantic, there are not enough life boats. From my point of view where I am standing... *I love it*

My response to #7
There sure is not a lot that can be down with gonzo films is there?
So just to throw a bone to the next wave of mindless gonzo shit.

Here is my idea of a new reality site that will cash in on Chinese surfers.

Chinese tourist fucks big tit fat ass american housewives. Find some guy that speaks Chinese then give him a camera and rent a cheap hotel. The entire thing is filmed POV.
Now depending on how the scene is set up it can be called "Cheese Burger Bang" or "White Ass Trash Tour"

Otherwise perhaps anyone that is serious about making a quality product should stop producing porn and take a couple of classes on how to shoot, edit and think about things like hiring people that can do more than open a body orifice.

duk75 · 04-21-2014, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Otherwise perhaps anyone that is serious about making a quality product should stop producing porn and take a couple of classes on how to shoot, edit and think about things like hiring people that can do more than open a body orifice.

I made a master in pornographic performance at the UCLA.

Jesse1984 · 04-21-2014, 06:07 AM

OP just... bless you sir. Slow clap.

This is the shit I didn't have the energy to type out. I'm relatively new to the business but everything you wrote mirrors my own feelings and snippets of what I've said in previous threads.

If you're ever in Montreal I will buy you a drink of your choice or a Pan Galactic Gargleblaster.

signupdamnit · 04-21-2014, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 2030

Cliffnotes not reading all that shit

It was actually a little bit better than the standard tube defending BROshit you usually see on GFY for the last 7 years but...

90% chance that basically it meant:

"I decided to work with Mansef/Manwin (or open my own tube) in some way so now I'm looking for every way to blame other things besides the BROs."

That's what it usually means.

I get a kick out of people in 2014 (I know this post was from 2009) still coming here and saying that tubes had nothing to do with the decline in the industry or EVEN BETTER that there has been no decline in the industry. That's some SERIOUS BROshit there.

Oh well. For the most part Adult has turned into a big joke in IM. It's just time to accept it. I don't think it will change. There will be BROshit right up until the last BRO leaves the industry or declares bankruptcy/gets arrested for not paying his taxes. Someone should compile a list of non-tube excuses used to explain the decline of the industry. My favorite has always been "lazy affiliates".

12clicks · 04-21-2014, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 2030

Cliffnotes not reading all that shit

losers calling the successful "Bros" and then whining about how all of their failures are because of said Bros.

StinkyPink · 04-21-2014, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Splum

There is not a single adult webmaster(and I use that term VERY loosely) that will read that entire post, they can barely see past the bong smoke.

Having said that I agree with you on most of your points.

I read the whole thing, there are some very strong points in that post. I don't think tubes is the problem, but piracy in general. The tubes (or at least manwins) just had a hard impact in a short period of time, and that hurt. All other facts listed above are certainly also factors, but again, none of them are really new.

Good read.

12clicks · 04-21-2014, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JesseFame

OP just... bless you sir. Slow clap.

This is the shit I didn't have the energy to type out. I'm relatively new to the business but everything you wrote mirrors my own feelings and snippets of what I've said in previous threads.

If you're ever in Montreal I will buy you a drink of your choice or a Pan Galactic Gargleblaster.

Dude was so smart he lasted about a year before winking out. Chances of his real job letting him off to go to Montreal are slim.

420 · 04-21-2014, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 420

wtf? I didn't post this stupid shit.

DumpManager · 04-21-2014, 10:34 AM

Great post.

I also think there is another issue out there. The viewers don't really know what they are missing out on. I've been a paying member of over 25 sites in my day. The quality and quantity the of content is so much more amazing. The viewers see free porn and think awesome, here we go, yet they don't realize that the content on actual paysites is far superior.

When I used to join websites the avg price was 29.99/month, and I always thought that it is the same price of going out to a movie, but you get so much more for your money.

I wish the viewers would realize they are missing out on all the really good stuff and signup more often

Thumbler · 04-22-2014, 11:09 AM

Not too much has changed in the five years since the original post...........

signupdamnit · 04-22-2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Thumbler

Not too much has changed in the five years since the original post...........

Not much besides the industry probably losing between 20-50% of their revenue that is....

ilnjscb · 04-22-2014, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

Dude was so smart he lasted about a year before winking out. Chances of his real job letting him off to go to Montreal are slim.

you ARE the winner - you're still here.

Rumbledog · 04-22-2014, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MIS

Because I have not been on this board for years, I had to get a mental picture of what kind of thoughts float around here nowdays... some deep psychology shit..... it seems that no one is serious about business, or the direction of the industry. There are a decent percentage of guys who are worth dealing with in this business... The rest are selfish bastards who do not deserve help.. I could sit here and tell you I am already a millionaire, but again, I could just be a janitor at AFF and this is lunch break to post. Either way, this industry needs a whole fucking do over or most of you will have bigger problems than just tube sites. I will try to do my best to find the bright minds to work with, and the rest must survive on their own.

I have to agree with you. This industry is into more drama rather than do good business these days.

You are 100% correct

12clicks · 04-22-2014, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

you ARE the winner - you're still here.

Of course I'm the winner, but certainly not because I post here

elliso · 04-23-2014, 01:44 PM

We have flight all free porn sites :-)

let s back to 1999 hehehheheehe

ilnjscb · 04-30-2014, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

Of course I'm the winner, but certainly not because I post here

10% because you post here

PR_Glen · 04-30-2014, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Not much besides the industry probably losing between 20-50% of their revenue that is....

Footnote: Numbers could be a complete fabrication coming directly from posters rectum.

rufriter32 · 04-30-2014, 06:37 PM

Were in the entertainment business. We entertain!! Analogous to TV. TV shows are free but they have commercials. Commercials selling products. Porn doesn't have to sell porn. Porn can sell adult related products. The porn selling porn membership is dying. I'm glad to see it go!!
Our community needs to focus not on ourselves but successful Marketers like Proctor and Gamble that invented the entertainment marketing model. Yeah, think out of the box. It's not porn, porn marketing!!

04-14-2009, 11:40 PM	#103
DatingGold $6 PER EMAIL JOiN Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: California Posts: 13,185	According to your title my sales are down because I have not read this... Problem is even if people with lower sales read this, it tells them nothing about how to increase sales. You have a couple points that almost hit, but alot of the points are wrong in my opinion. But what do I know we have record sales every month. I will give you kudos though for at least trying to figure it out rather than posting stupid shit. __________________ 9 Years of SOLID payouts and conversions! ADULT DATING - $100 PPS LIVE CAMS - $214 PPS WWW.DATINGGOLD.COM ICQ: 27442303

04-15-2009, 03:53 AM	#106
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	I'm putting this in a different post because the previous one was aimed at sponsors. This is for affiliates. Look for sites that meet the customers needs first in the members area. And not yours. Yes it's tough today and you need tools. But more than tools you need willing customers. That came back to buy porn on the Net because they were happy last time. This is a business of repeat buyers, if they are happy. They may not buy from you or via you next time. But they will stay buying and today that is more important than getting one sign up today. Your next sign up bought from or via someone else last month. Think of it as a merry go round. So you keep the customers on the ride. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

04-15-2009, 11:33 PM	#107
the.drunk Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 712	my sales are up __________________ find good domains : free epassporte : whitelabel webcams CONTACT ICQ 591549611

04-16-2009, 12:59 AM	#109
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Let me expand on what I posted before about what sites need to do to get members back. Regarding content. If I want to watch two or more anonymous people fake sex on a sofa or bed there is absolutely no reason to buy it. The Tubes are full of these scenes and the benefit of them over a paysite is they have the scenes shot by different people, places, ways, styles, etc. So if I don't like the way one scene does it I can go to the next. Or the next. There's no point in joining a payite. If I join a paysite it has to be for a reason. I have to want to watch the scenes every day, or at least 2 times a week. I want to see something that has personality, identity and individuality. But I don't want 50 or 100 scenes all with the same personality, identity and individuality. Because they then just turn into one scene. Different girl, sofa and cock, but the same scene. I'm buying a months entertainment. Look at video samples on tours and ask yourself if the content is just different girls or different scenes? In the right niche, style and genre. Yes there are sites that do it well, but how many and how many churn out porn scenes like they were filling shelves? We're often selling a month membership. To get a repeat customer coming back month after month we have to have a product he wants to buy because it fills his needs. We have to have sites worth a months membership. I am biased, I want to know who the girl is, why she's doing this, what she's getting out of it and I want to know she is fucking for real. I don't want to see a girl walk into a room and after the shortest preliminaries start to fuck and fake it as well. And if I did want that I would be finding 100s of scenes just like it on a Tube site. Yes if you produce porn like this it will get stolen, but at least you have something unique to protect. Sending DMCA's is worth it, because the surfers who are into this style of porn can't get it or be bothered to search for it on a Tube site. To sell something you have to have something worth buying. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

04-21-2014, 10:34 AM	#122
DumpManager Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 402	Great post. I also think there is another issue out there. The viewers don't really know what they are missing out on. I've been a paying member of over 25 sites in my day. The quality and quantity the of content is so much more amazing. The viewers see free porn and think awesome, here we go, yet they don't realize that the content on actual paysites is far superior. When I used to join websites the avg price was 29.99/month, and I always thought that it is the same price of going out to a movie, but you get so much more for your money. I wish the viewers would realize they are missing out on all the really good stuff and signup more often __________________ Actual Free Porn Cams - 100% Real Actual Free Porn Cams and Porn Cam Sites HD High Res Porn - The Hottest HD Digh Def 18+ Teen Porn, Milf, Lesbian & Erotica.

04-20-2014, 11:09 PM	#113
2030 harmons brother Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 323	Cliffnotes not reading all that shit

04-21-2014, 06:07 AM	#116
Jesse1984 Web Viking Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: San Francisco Posts: 562	OP just... bless you sir. Slow clap. This is the shit I didn't have the energy to type out. I'm relatively new to the business but everything you wrote mirrors my own feelings and snippets of what I've said in previous threads. If you're ever in Montreal I will buy you a drink of your choice or a Pan Galactic Gargleblaster.

04-22-2014, 11:09 AM	#123
Thumbler Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,076	Not too much has changed in the five years since the original post........... __________________

04-23-2014, 01:44 PM	#128
elliso Its All About Girls &SEX Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Philipinne Posts: 1,046	We have flight all free porn sites :-) let s back to 1999 hehehheheehe __________________ ICQ : Number 690911541

04-30-2014, 06:37 PM	#131
rufriter32 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 31	Were in the entertainment business. We entertain!! Analogous to TV. TV shows are free but they have commercials. Commercials selling products. Porn doesn't have to sell porn. Porn can sell adult related products. The porn selling porn membership is dying. I'm glad to see it go!! Our community needs to focus not on ourselves but successful Marketers like Proctor and Gamble that invented the entertainment marketing model. Yeah, think out of the box. It's not porn, porn marketing!! __________________ http://emo-fuck.com