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AtlantisCash · 04-10-2009, 04:24 PM

Mis, very nice post.

People like You contribute the rise of average Gfy population's IQ Level here.

FrozenJag · 04-10-2009, 05:15 PM

Excellent post. Bookmarked for future reading in a day or two.

Sam Granger · 04-10-2009, 06:10 PM

Fact is, more and more porn is becoming freely available. Why pay if you can rub one off for free? (Wow, this tube is great, found some nice free porn. Hmm, I'll come back tomorrow... and the day after) Tube sites provide full free clips, it's not even teasing people to sign up. Unless it's a legal tube with short clips that is or it's a really specific niche and it's the only video which is linked to a sponsor. But think that's the case?

Huggles · 04-10-2009, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Granger

Tube sites provide full free clips, it's not even teasing people to sign up.

Galleries were awesome income.

Not so much anymore.

Why? Simple!

I can build a gallery for a site that will have 4, 20 second clips. These will tease a surfer's cock rock hard but probably not get him off. That is why I made good money and an easy stream of income for a long time.

Things have changed when my non-webmaster friends all say that it's so much better to just goto pornhub, redtube, spankwire, or -insert name here- tube and watch full movies for free. It's the fact that an unlimited supply of free, full movies = surfer gets off easily and for free.

maxjohan · 04-10-2009, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splum

There is not a single adult webmaster(and I use that term VERY loosely) that will read that entire post, they can barely see past the bong smoke.

I'm putting that in siggy, if i get permission...Lol

brassmonkey · 04-10-2009, 06:47 PM

ok thank you

MikeSmoke · 04-10-2009, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornMD

Fact #10: I love lamp.

Do you really love the lamp, or are you just saying it because you saw it?

Paul Markham · 04-11-2009, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

Fact 1: Video Secrets has already had record months in 2009.

Fact 2: We continue to convert new customers better than any time in our 13 years online.

Fact 3: If you are not promoting Video Secrets, you are losing money.

/Facts

No need to spam in a thread that's talking about our future. All those already promoting VS will know if you're telling the truth and will not want 100 more affiliates taking their business away from them.

The truth is over all web cam is not doing as well as it was.

Paul Markham · 04-11-2009, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIS

Paul Markham & PornMD. Thank you for your point of views. It really helps to get an overall idea of what everyone thinks about specific challenges and the solutions to them.

As far as the trolls, I don't want to know a thing about you as much as you don't know a thing about me, and lets keep it that way. I am here to communicate on a whole other level with webmasters in the same industry as me, not bitch about how much my life sucks. My philosophy is, you cannot be the leader in any industry if you come to a point where you are reach a level of success that you do not even bother to research what others think or invision in the same industry as you.... But then, that's the difference on who leads who at the end of the day. For all you know, I could be the owner of Youporn and already leading all of you. (Just saying) I am sure he is reading this already.

You're welcome.

If customers are moving to Tubes, the undeniable fact is that Tubes cater better to our customers needs than we do. We have convinced ourselves we are doing everything right. But the facts say the opposite. Yet even with the facts showing we are losing few will do anything about it.

And that's the sad part. They believe if they close Tubes all the customers will flock back.

I will tell you this.

They will not.

Some will go to legal Tubes that have 4-6 minute clips, many hosted by sponsors so the Tube site can sell dating sites. Some will go Torrent, some will just go to the Tubes sites that have not been cleaned out. Some will go for 3 day memberships which is not so bad and some will stop buying.

But this has never been truer.

To sell a product you have to have a product people want.

And the solution in a shrinking market is to sell to more of the people you have buying, not send more traffic to poorly performing sites or add more affiliates sending traffic. The traffic pool is a repeat buying educated bunch. They will no longer swallow our lines telling them we have the greatest site ever. They've been conned too many times.

How you improve your product is easy to do, the problem is many are scared to do it. and MIS pointed out the problems.

More options on memberships. Length and price.
More content.
More varied style of content in a site.
Better content.
Live girls for members.
Open the site so the surfers see the site is not a rip off.

Because the solution is no longer getting more affiliates to send more traffic. Everyone's stats show the problem is getting the same amount of traffic today and the same ratios. We have to start selling to the buyers.

And making sure he leaves wanting to buy again.

Because an eager customer is always worth more than 10 reluctant ones.

And as for the industry leaders, they are the guys who led us to this place.

topnotch, standup guy · 04-11-2009, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

Fact 1: Video Secrets has already had record months in 2009.

Fact 2: We continue to convert new customers better than any time in our 13 years online.

Fact 3: If you are not promoting Video Secrets, you are losing money.

/Facts

Fact 4: You've just succeeded in cheapening your brand with this lame spam.

frankie_gunn · 04-11-2009, 01:39 AM

In my opinion, your post is the most useful one on this board.

Thank you.

druid66 · 04-11-2009, 04:59 AM

MIS, you gave me thinking. thank you.

-D.

blonda80 · 04-11-2009, 05:09 AM

interesting post

Special Ed · 04-11-2009, 09:07 AM

Very interesting comments by a few webmasters' here. Nice to read something worth while!
In today's Adult market, you have to be exclusive and as unique as possible without crossing the line!

seeandsee · 04-11-2009, 09:27 AM

i blame tubes for all

PornHero · 04-11-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Fact #7: Not enough vision and innovation in our industry. Everyone copies someone else's idea, that is why you have website names that made up of generic 4 word keywords that are repetitive over and over again. TeenFuckingBlack, BlackFuckingTeen, AnalTeenBlack, etc the shit gets old after a while. Can you please get some ideas in design and brand building from mainstream web2.0? What is wrong with a digg website for adults? why must every single site be a copy of the past 10,000 sites. Surfers are fucking bored with what we have to offer them, you are not focusing and spending time on user experience as much as you are focusing and spending time on how to setup yet another sponsor program with the same niche content as 10,000 other sites.

I agree with this part the most - surfers are bored with the standard porn site.

it was bound to happen that the easy money and gravy train of the early online porn days would come to an end.

The online porn business has treated me well for over 10 years and I'm still making a profit so I can't complain. I am now branching out to mainstream projects, there's lots of opportunity there since everyone and their grandparents are now online - it reminds me of the early days of web porn.

Jakez · 04-11-2009, 01:55 PM

Step 1: Get a large community together to upload videos to porn tubes that are cut off in the middle of the video and it says something along the lines like "You have been downloading a virus while watching this".. or anything that would scare the shit out of them.

Step 2: People get scared of tube sites and tube sites slowly die or at least stop dominating so much.

Step 3: This probably wouldn't work but I think it sounds kewl.

AtlantisCash · 04-11-2009, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakez

Step 1: Get a large community together to upload videos to porn tubes that are cut off in the middle of the video and it says something along the lines like "You have been downloading a virus while watching this".. or anything that would scare the shit out of them.

Step 2: People get scared of tube sites and tube sites slowly die or at least stop dominating so much.

Step 3: This probably wouldn't work but I think it sounds kewl.

i wonder when will You people stop blaming one thing rather then seeing the entire picture?

then wonder why Your sales are becoming even shittier day by day, i totally agree with Mis and Paul Markham's last post.

Jakez · 04-11-2009, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

i wonder when will You people stop blaming one thing rather then seeing the entire picture?

then wonder why Your sales are becoming even shittier day by day, i totally agree with Mis and Paul Markham's last post.

I do see the entire picture and hate when people make the usual "tubes are teh ruin" threads, just thought that was a good idea lol.

Dirty F · 04-11-2009, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIS

Fact #6: Boycott all business relationships with websites and sponsors that employ bad practices which damage the consumer base for our industry. I am not going to name any sponsors, but you know some of the top sponsors, who for example, cross sale a $2.95 trial membership into a $200/month worth of subscriptions. Do you think when "Joe the plumber" opens his credit card statement, he is going to be thrilled with his choice to surf and buy a membership to a porn site? Statistics show, that such consumers almost never purchase such a product again, and will always view it as scam. You have just lost a consumer who could potentially bring 1000s of dollars in sales across the industry in exchange for a quick $200 dollar. Everyone is destroying each others consumer base this way. Think about this over 1000s of consumers a day. You are losing out billions of dollars a year in revenue pursuing such practices. People talk about bad experiences more than positive ones, so you are reducing the growth of such consumer base as well.

99% of the people who cry about their income and blame it on the tubes are RIGHT NOW sending traffic to sponsors who do what i just quoted. This industry has some of the biggest idiots i've ever seen.

Dirty F · 04-11-2009, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

Fact 1: Video Secrets has already had record months in 2009.

Fact 2: We continue to convert new customers better than any time in our 13 years online.

Fact 3: If you are not promoting Video Secrets, you are losing money.

/Facts

Fact: If you worked for me i'd fire you.

Dirty F · 04-11-2009, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .:R I O:.

Your sales down because lower surfers with their lower clicks. Your surfers down because TUBEs and dating sites!

JD · 04-11-2009, 10:36 PM

yawn x 10

Paul Markham · 04-13-2009, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Special "Ed"

Very interesting comments by a few webmasters' here. Nice to read something worth while!
In today's Adult market, you have to be exclusive and as unique as possible without crossing the line!

Talking about a problem can lead to solving it.

I agree with you about it being exclusive and unique, you forgot to add good ;).

The problem is few will invest enough money, time and effort in a producing something that is good, exclusive and unique. They will shoot it themselves because a few with the talent could and survived, forgetting all those who could not survive. Or they will approach professional shooters and cringe at the price and end up with someone who churns out scene after scene to get it into a low budget.

A few do shoot for themselves and do well and a few do pay others to shoot with a budget that allows for producing a good product. But mostly they look on it like ATK, anyone who can get a cute in focus to do 5 sets and videos in a day for $1200 to $1500 can have the job.

Then spend the money on driving traffic to a site with this content in. If it converted well it was another warning to the customers to be on their guard and not believe everything a tour said, if it converted badly it sunk.

You can't make a silk purse on the budget for a sows ear.

viencarl · 04-13-2009, 02:54 AM

welcome back business thread

mule · 04-13-2009, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

another noob confusing facts with guesswork.
get back to me with your facts when you've done something in this business

Another totally useless 12clicks post

Ron, how come all your posts
a) contain absolutely no information
b) give the impression that you have inside information
and c) imply that the person you're responding to is an idiot/failure?
Why do you even bother to respond to the people you call noobs? It really makes you look stupid.

xiaomaster · 04-13-2009, 06:29 AM

Great post! Keep it up ;)

12clicks · 04-13-2009, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mule

Another totally useless 12clicks post

Ron, how come all your posts
a) contain absolutely no information
b) give the impression that you have inside information
and c) imply that the person you're responding to is an idiot/failure?
Why do you even bother to respond to the people you call noobs? It really makes you look stupid.

because I do not throw pearls before swine and I'm drawn to idiot posts.

how come all of your posts come at night when the business day is long over?

MIS · 04-13-2009, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

another noob confusing facts with guesswork.
get back to me with your facts when you've done something in this business

If I must be a noob in your eyes, then I want to know why you consider yourself above me. So to find out, I did the following:

I clicked the banner in your signature

I arrived at 12clickscash.com

I clicked your tab "sites", and I see yet another set of generic niches just like the 100s of other similar sponsors. I immediately decided to never push traffic your way, you have nothing outside the box to offer me (you just lost potentially 1000s of signups). So lets go see it from the surfer's point of view.

I clicked the first site NastyPinkTeens.com

I went to signup and I get 2 days trial then convert to $30 a month, ok not too bad.

What is bad:

All the following boxes are ALREADY CHECKED!

**********************************
1 Free 3 Day Trial To TabooStories.com
Free Trial to SuncoastAmateurs.com
4 day Free trial to FullMoonGangBangs.com
**********************************

at the very bottom

TabooStories.com will convert to $34.62 a month after your 4 day free trial
SuncoastAmateurs will convert to $39.50 a month after your 1 day free trial
FullMoonGangBangs.com will convert to $38.00 a month after your 4 day free trial

Total subscriptions from an innocent 2 days free trial = $150+

How many more subscriptions will come from this person across the industry after he sees $150 on his statement? Do you realize that you doing this, and 10,000 other sites doing this, is driving people away from buying porn? Both me and you know, only "the newbie" surfer will fall for your cross-sale bullshit, and that's the exact kind of surfer you actually try to convert into a consumer who will purchase porn for a long time (first impressions are everything). You give someone a first time bad impression, he is GONE!! I personally have read and seen on many occasions where people discussed how they got ripped off by porn sites and even pinpointing the site name, company, etc asking other people to stay away from it. This happens a lot, on daily basis. Why should such a consumer go to ANY paysite again, when he/she can just get some free porn outside of paysites?

You consider yourself above me the "noob" because you are doing exactly what I am trying to tell people to boycott, and on that ground I gladly accept the "noob" title. If everyone boycotts your practices, then more people will start to actually get more signups, because people will not be scared of porn charges on their credit cards.

Google is currently taking a strong initiative against CPA companies that employ cross sales in their business. They already started to ban shitload of websites from Adwords and Adsense that do this cross sale bullshit or people who promote websites that do such things. Google had to do this, because their CTR on ads and people's conversions were dropping, thus google was starting to see less money from advertisers overall. By google taking a stand against cross sales and scammy looking websites, and filtering out the garbage practices, they are driving their CTR and consumer purchases from ADs higher, and in return more websites will be advertising with google.

Are you implying that google is "noob" as well?

mule · 04-13-2009, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

because I do not throw pearls before swine and I'm drawn to idiot posts.

how come all of your posts come at night when the business day is long over?

I live in Holland. I make my money while you sleep.

Huggles · 04-13-2009, 12:45 PM

Wow. $150 in charges just like that.

Cock suckers.

12clicks · 04-13-2009, 12:52 PM

ouch!
I've been schooled.
I'm sure going to miss out on your 1000s of potential joins.
Thing is, I don't have 1000s of years to wait on them to trickle in.

12clicks · 04-13-2009, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mule

I live in Holland. I make my money while you sleep.

right.
and then you come here after work and pretend to make money in adult.

mule · 04-13-2009, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

right.
and then you come here after work and pretend to make money in adult.

Yep, same as I've been pretending ever since joining GFY, and it still seems to worry the shit out of you. I wonder why

Paul Markham · 04-14-2009, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

because I do not throw pearls before swine and I'm drawn to idiot posts.

You don't throw pearls full stop. Because you don't have any.

This is my over all feeling about "experts" like you.

We would not be in the shit we are in if we had not listened to you. Or are you saying with all your expert knowledge you are not responsible?

MIS's posts show how much you know, you just copy other fools trying to cripple this industry because you don't have an original idea.

Paul Markham · 04-14-2009, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIS

If I must be a noob in your eyes, then I want to know why you consider yourself above me. So to find out, I did the following:

I clicked the banner in your signature

I arrived at 12clickscash.com

I clicked your tab "sites", and I see yet another set of generic niches just like the 100s of other similar sponsors. I immediately decided to never push traffic your way, you have nothing outside the box to offer me (you just lost potentially 1000s of signups). So lets go see it from the surfer's point of view.

I clicked the first site NastyPinkTeens.com

I went to signup and I get 2 days trial then convert to $30 a month, ok not too bad.

What is bad:

All the following boxes are ALREADY CHECKED!

**********************************
1 Free 3 Day Trial To TabooStories.com
Free Trial to SuncoastAmateurs.com
4 day Free trial to FullMoonGangBangs.com
**********************************

at the very bottom

TabooStories.com will convert to $34.62 a month after your 4 day free trial
SuncoastAmateurs will convert to $39.50 a month after your 1 day free trial
FullMoonGangBangs.com will convert to $38.00 a month after your 4 day free trial

Total subscriptions from an innocent 2 days free trial = $150+

How many more subscriptions will come from this person across the industry after he sees $150 on his statement? Do you realize that you doing this, and 10,000 other sites doing this, is driving people away from buying porn? Both me and you know, only "the newbie" surfer will fall for your cross-sale bullshit, and that's the exact kind of surfer you actually try to convert into a consumer who will purchase porn for a long time (first impressions are everything). You give someone a first time bad impression, he is GONE!! I personally have read and seen on many occasions where people discussed how they got ripped off by porn sites and even pinpointing the site name, company, etc asking other people to stay away from it. This happens a lot, on daily basis. Why should such a consumer go to ANY paysite again, when he/she can just get some free porn outside of paysites?

You consider yourself above me the "noob" because you are doing exactly what I am trying to tell people to boycott, and on that ground I gladly accept the "noob" title. If everyone boycotts your practices, then more people will start to actually get more signups, because people will not be scared of porn charges on their credit cards.

Google is currently taking a strong initiative against CPA companies that employ cross sales in their business. They already started to ban shitload of websites from Adwords and Adsense that do this cross sale bullshit or people who promote websites that do such things. Google had to do this, because their CTR on ads and people's conversions were dropping, thus google was starting to see less money from advertisers overall. By google taking a stand against cross sales and scammy looking websites, and filtering out the garbage practices, they are driving their CTR and consumer purchases from ADs higher, and in return more websites will be advertising with google.

Are you implying that google is "noob" as well?

If you want to really know why your sales are down read this and then read it again. And read Ron's reply about waiting 1,000 years.

His method is for those who don't know how to make an honest long term business work. He even admits it. He's back to make as much money as quickly as possible and fuck the consequences. The good thing is the customers and affiliates are now well aware of these kind of practices and will be un-clicking or charging back.

Ron if you have to wait 1,000 years to make a site work I suggest you learn about the business or get into one you do know. Because most customer are no longer "noobs" they're either wise to your tricks or no how to charge back.

What MIS points out is spot on. His type of site teaches new buyers, which is important to most industries not to buy.

Got any more pearls to throw before us?

druid66 · 04-14-2009, 04:02 AM

lucky for me i never promoted trials no matter how tempting it looks.
i prefer to write under banner simple text "$30 per month" so the only surfer who click on banner would be the surfer who is actually interested in signing up and he knows the price.
My surfers pays my bills so i treat them honestly.

i would be interested to see the list of sponsors whos doing crosslink shit, anyone is interested in making one and share it?

- Druid

12clicks · 04-14-2009, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If you want to really know why your sales are down read this and then read it again. And read Ron's reply about waiting 1,000 years.

His method is for those who don't know how to make an honest long term business work. He even admits it. He's back to make as much money as quickly as possible and fuck the consequences. The good thing is the customers and affiliates are now well aware of these kind of practices and will be un-clicking or charging back.

Ron if you have to wait 1,000 years to make a site work I suggest you learn about the business or get into one you do know. Because most customer are no longer "noobs" they're either wise to your tricks or no how to charge back.

What MIS points out is spot on. His type of site teaches new buyers, which is important to most industries not to buy.

Got any more pearls to throw before us?

Paul, I've been in business for 12 years and as usual, my business is growing. never once have I had to live off my wife's back.
you're a bitter old, one trick fool. Don't try to blame ME for your failures. look in the mirror.

now run along and sell some more of your shit at bargain prices.

12clicks · 04-14-2009, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mule

Yep, same as I've been pretending ever since joining GFY, and it still seems to worry the shit out of you. I wonder why

worried?
I'm always shocked to see you still pretending to be around each time you quote me.

frankly, you'd go unnoticed by my if you weren't busy quoting me looking for attention.

gandalfuy · 04-14-2009, 06:57 AM

Thanks for sharing!

mule · 04-14-2009, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

worried?
I'm always shocked to see you still pretending to be around each time you quote me.

frankly, you'd go unnoticed by my if you weren't busy quoting me looking for attention.

I only quote you when I'm bored. Your responses amuse me, because they're so predictable. It's like watching 'Allo 'Allo: you KNOW officer Crapbtree is gonna say "Good Moaning", yet it's funny every time.

mineistaken · 04-14-2009, 07:33 AM

there are some valid points

12clicks · 04-14-2009, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mule

I only quote you when I'm bored. Your responses amuse me, because they're so predictable. It's like watching 'Allo 'Allo: you KNOW officer Crapbtree is gonna say "Good Moaning", yet it's funny every time.

yeah, you're so cerebral, playing me in your one bedroom apartment.

mule · 04-14-2009, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

yeah, you're so cerebral, playing me in your one bedroom apartment.

You're funniest when you make assumptions about people you know nothing about, carry on

12clicks · 04-14-2009, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mule

You're funniest when you make assumptions about people you know nothing about, carry on

I agree. its amazing how I ALWAYS hit the nail on the head.

but please, carry on with your fantasy world. its all you've got.

mule · 04-14-2009, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I agree. its amazing how I ALWAYS hit the nail on the head.

but please, carry on with your fantasy world. its all you've got.

I think we should appoint you official GFY clown. If you were any smarter, you'd realise how stupid you make yourself look

12clicks · 04-14-2009, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mule

I think we should appoint you official GFY clown. If you were any smarter, you'd realise how stupid you make yourself look

who's we?
you got a mouse in your pocket?

you're a jumped up surfer pretending to work in this biz. using the word "we" to include yourself in our business is silly.
but carry on. its cute watching someone pretend to be on the bottom rung of our industry as if its something to aspire to.

mule · 04-14-2009, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

you're a jumped up surfer pretending to work in this biz. using the word "we" to include yourself in our business is silly.
but carry on. its cute watching someone pretend to be on the bottom rung of our industry as if its something to aspire to.

LOL, and you seriously believe anyone but yourself believes that? You call everyone in this industry either a n00b, a surfer, a scammer or a cheat (usually a combination of all of the above), except when you're kissing the asses of the bros. The only reason you think you have any credibility is bacause most people are scared to cross you, because the moment someone disagrees with you you call them n00b, a surfer, a scammer or a cheat.
But to get back to why I quoted you in the first place: whenever there's a really legitimate business thread on GFY, Big Bad Ron busts into it, superciliously claiming that everyone participating is a moron. Your posts are useless, and you obviously think they make you look cool. It just cracks me up, I can't help it

12clicks · 04-14-2009, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mule

LOL, and you seriously believe anyone but yourself believes that? You call everyone in this industry either a n00b, a surfer, a scammer or a cheat (usually a combination of all of the above), except when you're kissing the asses of the bros. The only reason you think you have any credibility is bacause most people are scared to cross you, because the moment someone disagrees with you you call them n00b, a surfer, a scammer or a cheat.
But to get back to why I quoted you in the first place: whenever there's a really legitimate business thread on GFY, Big Bad Ron busts into it, superciliously claiming that everyone participating is a moron. Your posts are useless, and you obviously think they make you look cool. It just cracks me up, I can't help it

hahaha, is that what my posts look like from the bottom rung?
interesting.

mule · 04-14-2009, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

hahaha, is that what my posts look like from the bottom rung?
interesting.

This is a great thread, by the way. Thanks for helping me keep it at the top

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04-11-2009, 09:07 AM	#64
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04-11-2009, 01:55 PM	#67
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04-11-2009, 10:36 PM	#73
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04-13-2009, 02:54 AM	#75
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04-13-2009, 12:52 PM	#82
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04-14-2009, 04:02 AM	#87
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04-14-2009, 06:57 AM	#90
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04-14-2009, 07:33 AM	#92
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