Why would some paysites not want to use affiliates? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Pete · 11-22-2002, 08:50 PM

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booting up photoshop? j/k.

seems strange, as i (and anyone else i know) can produce stats in minutes.

I've spent my life producing stats. Not sure where or how you produce yours but I dont have time playing your games. Run along now....

bhutocracy · 11-22-2002, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by Bobo
How does NOT having affiliates save money?

I can understand hiring people to push your traffic, but why not let others push it also.

PLEASE tell me!

If the site is quality isn't it best that more people are aware of it?

having to make your money on exits and upsells because you're paying $40 per trial

vs

exploiting IT dropouts willing to code for food @ $10 an hour

both valid (and oversimplified for the point) approaches and not worthy of the derision pete showed the latter.

Sly_RJ · 11-22-2002, 08:52 PM

I would assume profit sharing and benefits are a good way of keeping employees? Besides, just because someone has the knowledge to successfully work for your company doesn't mean they can go and do it on their own. Do they have servers, exclusive content, processing, ready made traffic, affiliates, etc?

Bobo · 11-22-2002, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

like roger says, people accel at different things. i've found in house employees to work the best. i can leverage my content and expertise in their favor, and all traffic produced is mine. period.

i am very successful working this angle. it's given me an extremely high profit margin. if you wish to pursue the affiliate angle, that's great too.

if you're successful, who's to argue?

quiet thanks for your input. I suppose I was wondering if one way was better than the other. Maybe it's one of those things where they can be equally successful depending on how they're used.

Your crew may be better at doing things inhouse, others may be better using affiliates.

Kinda sucks if you don't know what your strengths and weaknesses are to being with.

quiet · 11-22-2002, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Pete

I've spent my life producing stats. Not sure where or how you produce yours but I dont have time playing your games. Run along now....

so where are they now? we have the very best graphics people here on gfy, to triple check any stats we produce. remember again, i don't have an affiliate program, so my members are much more valuable than most

run along? i don't think so. although i'm going out for some pool in about 30 min.

FlyingIguana · 11-22-2002, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by Pete

I've spent my life producing stats. Not sure where or how you produce yours but I dont have time playing your games. Run along now....

in other words you're scared to get emabarrased?

Pornkings · 11-22-2002, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

like roger says, people accel at different things. i've found in house employees to work the best. i can leverage my content and expertise in their favor, and all traffic produced is mine. period.

i am very successful working this angle. it's given me an extremely high profit margin. if you wish to pursue the affiliate angle, that's great too.

if you're successful, who's to argue?

I recomend you do it all.

I buy traffic from many sources that profit more than our programs.
programs have a set profit built into them and requires volume and experience.

Traffic deals have to be monitored but can profit more you just have to keep a close eye on them so you don't get fucked.

building your own traffic requires salaries or alot of man hours but in the long run can profit alot

you can profit from everything if you know what you are doing.

It all comes down to great admin tools and numbers

spool · 11-22-2002, 09:03 PM

Gez I need more popcorn, into the second page already and no physical blows yet.... Damn ! .... Come on someone make contact

BJ · 11-22-2002, 09:06 PM

I go get drunk now

jimmyf · 11-22-2002, 09:10 PM

Stats were are the Stats? I want to see how this person stacks up against quite...

theking · 11-22-2002, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by Bobo

Exactly what I'm getting. It's happend to me too! Again, I ask, why would it be worse to use affiliates?

More exposure of a good site will generate more sales no matter how you cut it. More people see something that's actually worth subscribing to, more will subscribe to it.

Where the fuck is my logic going wrong? Somebody PLEASE clarify this for me. It's important!

Several years ago my (former) business ran an affiliate program for a period of time. Many, headaches involved. My manager at the time asked if we could drop it. I agreed. Took a drop in traffic and sales for a time, but my manager pulled us out of that stage and the business began to have growth again. Different strokes for different folks. I agree that if you don't mind the headaches involved and get the program to operating relatively smoothly the potential for growth is quicker than not having an affiliate program.

horns · 11-22-2002, 09:14 PM

http://www.wifeysworld.com

J B · 11-22-2002, 09:15 PM

Use StatsRemote... then you don't have to gather your data.

Sorry, couldn't resist

spool · 11-22-2002, 09:15 PM

I doubt there is many out there without huge affilate programs that can compare.....

marzzo · 11-22-2002, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
Stats were are the Stats? I want to see how this person stacks up against quite...

I think he's full of shit. He realized who he was up against

Pete · 11-22-2002, 09:21 PM

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I think he's full of shit. He realized who he was up against

Muhahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Bobo · 11-22-2002, 09:21 PM

My conclusion: quiet and his program are an exception to the general rule. There are sites like his that run inhouse and they make a lot of cake.

However, I think that the majority of programs want to go the affiliate route (not only want to but have to in order to generater the volumes of traffic and sales).

Pete · 11-22-2002, 09:22 PM

I hate like hell to pull out the stats, but........

quiet · 11-22-2002, 09:23 PM

anyway, this thread is (obviously) lame. you said you thought anyone who didn't run an affiliate program was lazy. i assure you that not all of them are lol.

we can leave it at that. or we can start posting heavily scrutinized stats.

i think i'll win

quiet · 11-22-2002, 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by Pete
I hate like hell to pull out the stats, but........

yes?

crack · 11-22-2002, 09:28 PM

>yes?
one year ago:
http://www.teens.com/stats/
referal log included

spool · 11-22-2002, 09:29 PM

For christ sakes post already, I need an up to date stats pic for my desk top wallpaper !

Pornkings · 11-22-2002, 09:29 PM

Is this thread over? or is someone going to produce?

I would post our numbers but i'm afraid all the GFY'ers will go blind from all the 0's.

J/K I'm just a tadpole trying to make it to the big pond

Theo · 11-22-2002, 09:29 PM

nice domain

jimmyf · 11-22-2002, 09:31 PM

Lets get this shit on the road... I get up around 4:00 to 5:00 Am.. It's getting close to by bed'e bye time..

Pornkings · 11-22-2002, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by crack
>yes?
one year ago:
http://www.teens.com/stats/
referal log included

Nice
lets fuckin trade some traffic if anything I can work a deal out of this thread

I promise whatever you send me I'll match No prob

quiet · 11-22-2002, 09:35 PM

Pornkings · 11-22-2002, 09:39 PM

Quiet

Theo · 11-22-2002, 09:39 PM

quiet is using jesushosting

in case someone is interested he can contact me for special deals.

p1mpdogg · 11-22-2002, 09:42 PM

he calls that traffic?!?! pfft!

quiet · 11-22-2002, 09:43 PM

i'm heading out to play pool. and jesus hosting rocks...

later guys...

spool · 11-22-2002, 09:48 PM

Scarey part is thats proberly just his members traffic

UnseenWorld · 11-22-2002, 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I have a bigger dick than all of you.

Because it's infected.

the indigo · 11-22-2002, 09:56 PM

quiet is dave and these stats are including marketing pages.

UnseenWorld · 11-22-2002, 10:02 PM

It's cost-per-signup. In a typical affiliate program, you give up 50% of the initial sale and 50% of each rebill thereafter. Fuck! That's a lot of money you're using to buy sign-ups (which is where the cost-per-signup comes in). I should think that the appeal of doing it yourself is obvious...IF you're good at it.

spool · 11-22-2002, 10:05 PM

I figured that was just having a lend

DragonAss · 11-22-2002, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by Pete
I hate like hell to pull out

Don't we all.

Pete · 11-22-2002, 10:09 PM

Not sure what your looking for but....

p1mpdogg · 11-22-2002, 10:10 PM

it took you 2 hours to take a screen shot and upload it?

what was the hard part? the screen shot or the uploading?

m0rph3us · 11-22-2002, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Pete
Not sure what your looking for but....

Quiet gets 3.5M unique a day bro.

dantheman · 11-22-2002, 10:19 PM

quiet, nice numbers

Pete · 11-22-2002, 10:19 PM

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993

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Originally posted by Pete
Not sure what your looking for but....

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Quiet gets 3.5M unique a day bro.

I guess he wins!

Honeyslut · 11-22-2002, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I have a bigger dick than all of you.

Prove it ! I wanna see the stats

chodadog · 11-22-2002, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by Pete

I guess he wins!

Like we didn't see that coming a mile away. lol.

Morgan · 11-22-2002, 11:33 PM

quiet -- is that true? you get over 3,000,000 visitors per day?

[The Leader] · 11-23-2002, 12:31 AM

quiet, don't a remember you saying you had 13,000 recurring or something? These guys say you're getting 3 million hits/day, if that's true how could you only have 13k members. Is that just the members for one site or something, and those 3 mill are for a couple sites? Or is that 3 mill to tgp galleries, not your pay sites?

the indigo · 11-23-2002, 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by [The Leader]
quiet, don't a remember you saying you had 13,000 recurring or something? These guys say you're getting 3 million hits/day, if that's true how could you only have 13k members. Is that just the members for one site or something, and those 3 mill are for a couple sites? Or is that 3 mill to tgp galleries, not your pay sites?

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Originally posted by the indigo
quiet is dave and these stats are including marketing pages.

p1mpdogg · 11-23-2002, 01:51 AM

according to his screen shots.. that traffic is from 11/12/01-11/12/02

he doesnt get 3 million a day.

Tipsy · 11-23-2002, 02:21 AM

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Originally posted by p1mpdogg
according to his screen shots.. that traffic is from 11/12/01-11/12/02

he doesnt get 3 million a day.

Did you try adding the figures up? Certainly looks like 3 mil over 2 domains to me - or at least close enough not to worry about the odd few k.

p1mpdogg · 11-23-2002, 02:45 AM

his stats are showing around 800 million hits.

thats not 3 million hits per day

am i missing something?

if he had around 3 mil per day, that would be around 1-1.5 billion per year.. his stats are not showing that..

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Bobo Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,253	My conclusion: quiet and his program are an exception to the general rule. There are sites like his that run inhouse and they make a lot of cake. However, I think that the majority of programs want to go the affiliate route (not only want to but have to in order to generater the volumes of traffic and sales).

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quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	anyway, this thread is (obviously) lame. you said you thought anyone who didn't run an affiliate program was lazy. i assure you that not all of them are lol. we can leave it at that. or we can start posting heavily scrutinized stats. i think i'll win __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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[The Leader] Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Van City Posts: 1,026	quiet, don't a remember you saying you had 13,000 recurring or something? These guys say you're getting 3 million hits/day, if that's true how could you only have 13k members. Is that just the members for one site or something, and those 3 mill are for a couple sites? Or is that 3 mill to tgp galleries, not your pay sites?

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11-23-2002, 02:45 AM	#100
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	his stats are showing around 800 million hits. thats not 3 million hits per day am i missing something? if he had around 3 mil per day, that would be around 1-1.5 billion per year.. his stats are not showing that.. __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!