Why would some paysites not want to use affiliates?

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  • Pete
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    • Jan 2001
    • 6617

    #51
    booting up photoshop? j/k.

    seems strange, as i (and anyone else i know) can produce stats in minutes.
    I've spent my life producing stats. Not sure where or how you produce yours but I dont have time playing your games. Run along now....
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    • bhutocracy
      Not making A Comeback
      • Dec 2001
      • 10218

      #52
      Originally posted by Bobo
      How does NOT having affiliates save money?

      I can understand hiring people to push your traffic, but why not let others push it also.

      PLEASE tell me!

      If the site is quality isn't it best that more people are aware of it?
      having to make your money on exits and upsells because you're paying $40 per trial

      vs

      exploiting IT dropouts willing to code for food @ $10 an hour

      both valid (and oversimplified for the point) approaches and not worthy of the derision pete showed the latter.

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      • Sly_RJ
        Live Hard - Die Hard
        • Feb 2002
        • 17042

        #53
        I would assume profit sharing and benefits are a good way of keeping employees? Besides, just because someone has the knowledge to successfully work for your company doesn't mean they can go and do it on their own. Do they have servers, exclusive content, processing, ready made traffic, affiliates, etc?
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        • Bobo
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          • Feb 2002
          • 2253

          #54
          Originally posted by quiet


          like roger says, people accel at different things. i've found in house employees to work the best. i can leverage my content and expertise in their favor, and all traffic produced is mine. period.

          i am very successful working this angle. it's given me an extremely high profit margin. if you wish to pursue the affiliate angle, that's great too.

          if you're successful, who's to argue?
          quiet thanks for your input. I suppose I was wondering if one way was better than the other. Maybe it's one of those things where they can be equally successful depending on how they're used.

          Your crew may be better at doing things inhouse, others may be better using affiliates.

          Kinda sucks if you don't know what your strengths and weaknesses are to being with.

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          • quiet
            we'll miss you our friend. RIP
            • Sep 2001
            • 25115

            #55
            Originally posted by Pete

            I've spent my life producing stats. Not sure where or how you produce yours but I dont have time playing your games. Run along now....
            so where are they now? we have the very best graphics people here on gfy, to triple check any stats we produce. remember again, i don't have an affiliate program, so my members are much more valuable than most

            run along? i don't think so. although i'm going out for some pool in about 30 min.
            we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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            • FlyingIguana
              aspiring banker
              • Mar 2002
              • 10870

              #56
              Originally posted by Pete

              I've spent my life producing stats. Not sure where or how you produce yours but I dont have time playing your games. Run along now....
              in other words you're scared to get emabarrased?

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              • Pornkings
                Confirmed User
                • Oct 2002
                • 5334

                #57
                Originally posted by quiet


                like roger says, people accel at different things. i've found in house employees to work the best. i can leverage my content and expertise in their favor, and all traffic produced is mine. period.

                i am very successful working this angle. it's given me an extremely high profit margin. if you wish to pursue the affiliate angle, that's great too.

                if you're successful, who's to argue?
                I recomend you do it all.

                I buy traffic from many sources that profit more than our programs.
                programs have a set profit built into them and requires volume and experience.

                Traffic deals have to be monitored but can profit more you just have to keep a close eye on them so you don't get fucked.

                building your own traffic requires salaries or alot of man hours but in the long run can profit alot

                you can profit from everything if you know what you are doing.

                It all comes down to great admin tools and numbers
                Last edited by Pornkings; 11-22-2002, 07:13 PM.
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                • spool
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                  • Apr 2001
                  • 105

                  #58
                  Gez I need more popcorn, into the second page already and no physical blows yet.... Damn ! .... Come on someone make contact
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                  • BJ
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                    • Mar 2002
                    • 5590

                    #59
                    I go get drunk now

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                    • jimmyf
                      OU812
                      • Feb 2001
                      • 12651

                      #60
                      Stats were are the Stats? I want to see how this person stacks up against quite...
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                      • theking
                        Nice Kitty
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 21053

                        #61
                        Originally posted by Bobo


                        Exactly what I'm getting. It's happend to me too! Again, I ask, why would it be worse to use affiliates?

                        More exposure of a good site will generate more sales no matter how you cut it. More people see something that's actually worth subscribing to, more will subscribe to it.

                        Where the fuck is my logic going wrong? Somebody PLEASE clarify this for me. It's important!
                        Several years ago my (former) business ran an affiliate program for a period of time. Many, headaches involved. My manager at the time asked if we could drop it. I agreed. Took a drop in traffic and sales for a time, but my manager pulled us out of that stage and the business began to have growth again. Different strokes for different folks. I agree that if you don't mind the headaches involved and get the program to operating relatively smoothly the potential for growth is quicker than not having an affiliate program.
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                        • horns
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                          • Oct 2002
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                          #62
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                          • J B
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                            • May 2002
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                            #63
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                            • spool
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                              • Apr 2001
                              • 105

                              #64
                              I doubt there is many out there without huge affilate programs that can compare.....
                              a Nice growing sponor thats HONEST!

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                              • marzzo
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                                • May 2002
                                • 2134

                                #65
                                Originally posted by jimmyf
                                Stats were are the Stats? I want to see how this person stacks up against quite...
                                I think he's full of shit. He realized who he was up against
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                                • Pete
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                                  • Jan 2001
                                  • 6617

                                  #66
                                  I think he's full of shit. He realized who he was up against
                                  Muhahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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                                  • Bobo
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Feb 2002
                                    • 2253

                                    #67
                                    My conclusion: quiet and his program are an exception to the general rule. There are sites like his that run inhouse and they make a lot of cake.

                                    However, I think that the majority of programs want to go the affiliate route (not only want to but have to in order to generater the volumes of traffic and sales).

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                                    • Pete
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2001
                                      • 6617

                                      #68
                                      I hate like hell to pull out the stats, but........
                                      Evoke Electronics

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                                      • quiet
                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                        • Sep 2001
                                        • 25115

                                        #69
                                        anyway, this thread is (obviously) lame. you said you thought anyone who didn't run an affiliate program was lazy. i assure you that not all of them are lol.

                                        we can leave it at that. or we can start posting heavily scrutinized stats.

                                        i think i'll win
                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                        • quiet
                                          we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                          • Sep 2001
                                          • 25115

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by Pete
                                          I hate like hell to pull out the stats, but........
                                          yes?
                                          we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                          • crack
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Feb 2002
                                            • 100

                                            #71
                                            >yes?
                                            one year ago:
                                            http://www.teens.com/stats/
                                            referal log included
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                                            • spool
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Apr 2001
                                              • 105

                                              #72
                                              For christ sakes post already, I need an up to date stats pic for my desk top wallpaper !
                                              a Nice growing sponor thats HONEST!

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                                              • Pornkings
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 5334

                                                #73
                                                Is this thread over? or is someone going to produce?

                                                I would post our numbers but i'm afraid all the GFY'ers will go blind from all the 0's.

                                                J/K I'm just a tadpole trying to make it to the big pond
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                                                • Theo
                                                  HAL 9000
                                                  • May 2001
                                                  • 34515

                                                  #74
                                                  nice domain

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                                                  • jimmyf
                                                    OU812
                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                    • 12651

                                                    #75
                                                    Lets get this shit on the road... I get up around 4:00 to 5:00 Am.. It's getting close to by bed'e bye time..
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                                                    • Pornkings
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                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 5334

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by crack
                                                      >yes?
                                                      one year ago:
                                                      http://www.teens.com/stats/
                                                      referal log included
                                                      Nice
                                                      lets fuckin trade some traffic if anything I can work a deal out of this thread
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                                                      Last edited by Pornkings; 11-22-2002, 07:33 PM.
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                                                      • quiet
                                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                        • 25115

                                                        #77


                                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                        • Pornkings
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                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                          • 5334

                                                          #78
                                                          Quiet
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                                                          • Theo
                                                            HAL 9000
                                                            • May 2001
                                                            • 34515

                                                            #79
                                                            quiet is using jesushosting

                                                            in case someone is interested he can contact me for special deals.

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                                                            • p1mpdogg
                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                              • 16714

                                                              #80
                                                              he calls that traffic?!?! pfft!



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                                                              • quiet
                                                                we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                • Sep 2001
                                                                • 25115

                                                                #81
                                                                i'm heading out to play pool. and jesus hosting rocks...

                                                                later guys...
                                                                we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                • spool
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                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                  • 105

                                                                  #82
                                                                  Scarey part is thats proberly just his members traffic
                                                                  a Nice growing sponor thats HONEST!

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                                                                  • UnseenWorld
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                    • 5279

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                    I have a bigger dick than all of you.

                                                                    Because it's infected.
                                                                    SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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                                                                    • the indigo
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Sep 2001
                                                                      • 2016

                                                                      #84
                                                                      quiet is dave and these stats are including marketing pages.
                                                                      "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. Thompson

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                                                                      • UnseenWorld
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                        • 5279

                                                                        #85
                                                                        It's cost-per-signup. In a typical affiliate program, you give up 50% of the initial sale and 50% of each rebill thereafter. Fuck! That's a lot of money you're using to buy sign-ups (which is where the cost-per-signup comes in). I should think that the appeal of doing it yourself is obvious...IF you're good at it.
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                                                                        • spool
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                                          • 105

                                                                          #86
                                                                          I figured that was just having a lend
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                                                                          • DragonAss
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                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                            • 206

                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by Pete
                                                                            I hate like hell to pull out
                                                                            Don't we all.

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                                                                            • Pete
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                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                              • 6617

                                                                              #88
                                                                              Not sure what your looking for but....
                                                                              Evoke Electronics

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                                                                              • p1mpdogg
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                                • 16714

                                                                                #89
                                                                                it took you 2 hours to take a screen shot and upload it?

                                                                                what was the hard part? the screen shot or the uploading?
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                                                                                • m0rph3us
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                                                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                                                  • 2033

                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by Pete
                                                                                  Not sure what your looking for but....
                                                                                  Quiet gets 3.5M unique a day bro.
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                                                                                  • dantheman
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                                                                                    • May 2002
                                                                                    • 3308

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    quiet, nice numbers
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                                                                                    • Pete
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                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                      • 6617

                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      993

                                                                                      quote:
                                                                                      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                                      Originally posted by Pete
                                                                                      Not sure what your looking for but....

                                                                                      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------



                                                                                      Quiet gets 3.5M unique a day bro.
                                                                                      I guess he wins!
                                                                                      Evoke Electronics

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                                                                                      • Honeyslut
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                                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                                        • 6436

                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                        I have a bigger dick than all of you.
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                                                                                        • chodadog
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                                                                                          • Apr 2002
                                                                                          • 9736

                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          Originally posted by Pete


                                                                                          I guess he wins!
                                                                                          Like we didn't see that coming a mile away. lol.
                                                                                          26 + 6 = 1

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                                                                                          • Morgan
                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                                            • 10520

                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            quiet -- is that true? you get over 3,000,000 visitors per day?
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                                                                                            • [The Leader]
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                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                              • 1026

                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              quiet, don't a remember you saying you had 13,000 recurring or something? These guys say you're getting 3 million hits/day, if that's true how could you only have 13k members. Is that just the members for one site or something, and those 3 mill are for a couple sites? Or is that 3 mill to tgp galleries, not your pay sites?
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                                                                                              • the indigo
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                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                Originally posted by [The Leader]
                                                                                                quiet, don't a remember you saying you had 13,000 recurring or something? These guys say you're getting 3 million hits/day, if that's true how could you only have 13k members. Is that just the members for one site or something, and those 3 mill are for a couple sites? Or is that 3 mill to tgp galleries, not your pay sites?
                                                                                                Originally posted by the indigo
                                                                                                quiet is dave and these stats are including marketing pages.
                                                                                                "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. Thompson

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                                                                                                • p1mpdogg
                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                                                  • 16714

                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  according to his screen shots.. that traffic is from 11/12/01-11/12/02


                                                                                                  he doesnt get 3 million a day.
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                                                                                                  • Tipsy
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                                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                                    • 6989

                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    Originally posted by p1mpdogg
                                                                                                    according to his screen shots.. that traffic is from 11/12/01-11/12/02


                                                                                                    he doesnt get 3 million a day.
                                                                                                    Did you try adding the figures up? Certainly looks like 3 mil over 2 domains to me - or at least close enough not to worry about the odd few k.
                                                                                                    Last edited by Tipsy; 11-23-2002, 12:23 AM.
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                                                                                                    • p1mpdogg
                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                                      • 16714

                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      his stats are showing around 800 million hits.

                                                                                                      thats not 3 million hits per day

                                                                                                      am i missing something?



                                                                                                      if he had around 3 mil per day, that would be around 1-1.5 billion per year.. his stats are not showing that..
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