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  • Marcus
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    • Jul 2001
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    #1

    Why would some paysites not want to use affiliates?

    Notice some paysites out there don't have a webmaster program.

    Any reasons why a site wouldn't want others promoting it?
  • nocostporn
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    • Mar 2002
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    #2
    more than likely they do but not public..One reason being most programs get 90% of their signups from 5% of their affiliates..So why not save yourself the trouble of dealing with nobodies and just let that 5% in?...
    and over saturation of course,i dont really believe in that one though
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    • Marcus
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      • Jul 2001
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      #3
      Originally posted by nocostporn
      more than likely they do but not public..One reason being most programs get 90% of their signups from 5% of their affiliates..So why not save yourself the trouble of dealing with nobodies and just let that 5% in?...
      and over saturation of course,i dont really believe in that one though
      you mean they only deal with affiliates who can send lots of signups?

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      • quiet
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        #4
        simple. if you know what the fuck you are doing, it can be much more cost effective to hire people, and train them to push your site. much, much more cost effective. i'm done talking
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        • nocostporn
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          • Mar 2002
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          #5
          Originally posted by Marcus


          you mean they only deal with affiliates who can send lots of signups?

          in most cases yeah....If i can get a 30 steady affiliates,whos traffic I know,who wont really need any support and will stay with me,why not? .... 30 webmasters sending 2000 signups is better than 500 sending 2000 isnt it?

          some people just have a shit load of traffic and send it to their own sites,another reason for no affiliates
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          • nocostporn
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            • Mar 2002
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            #6
            Originally posted by quiet
            simple. if you know what the fuck you are doing, it can be much more cost effective to hire people, and train them to push your site. much, much more cost effective. i'm done talking

            what do YOU know anyway
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            • Pete
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              • Jan 2001
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              #7
              Laziness and stupidity...thats all.

              Have a nice day
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              • Bake
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                • Jan 2001
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                #8
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                • quiet
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Pete
                  Laziness and stupidity...thats all.

                  Have a nice day
                  keep thinking that.
                  we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                  • Sly_RJ
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                    • Feb 2002
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                    #10
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                    • XXXPaysiteDesign
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                      • Mar 2002
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by quiet


                      keep thinking that.
                      I knew quiet would jump on that one.
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                      • Pete
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                        • Jan 2001
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                        #12
                        keep thinking that.
                        OK
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                        • quiet
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                          • Sep 2001
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Pete

                          OK
                          sweet
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                          • Pete
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                            • Jan 2001
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                            #14
                            keep thinking that.
                            Hold on...Let me rephrase that:

                            Laziness and stupidity.

                            Thats all....
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                            • Backov
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                              • Mar 2001
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                              #15
                              Sheer foolishness.

                              I encourage all of my competitors to open affiliate programs, its the only way to get rich in this industry. Make sure to offer at least $45 per free trial signup with no shaving, and a 90% revshare program, or you're nobody.

                              After all, it's all about that sextracker counter, right? And who brings big traffic better than thousands of affiliates.

                              Cheers,
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                              • quiet
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Pete

                                Hold on...Let me rephrase that:

                                Laziness and stupidity.

                                Thats all....
                                shall we have a stats stand off? i'm in the mood
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                                • Pete
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                                  • Jan 2001
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                                  #17
                                  Sheer foolishness.

                                  I encourage all of my competitors to open affiliate programs, its the only way to get rich in this industry. Make sure to offer at least $45 per free trial signup with no shaving, and a 90% revshare program, or you're nobody.

                                  After all, it's all about that sextracker counter, right? And who brings big traffic better than thousands of affiliates.

                                  Cheers,
                                  Backov
                                  I'm sensing some sarcasm.....Please advise
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                                  • Sly_RJ
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                                    • Feb 2002
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by quiet


                                    shall we have a stats stand off? i'm in the mood
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                                    • Pornkings
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                                      • Oct 2002
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by quiet
                                      simple. if you know what the fuck you are doing, it can be much more cost effective to hire people, and train them to push your site. much, much more cost effective. i'm done talking
                                      So how many employees have you lost going on there own?
                                      or do you have a commission structure set up
                                      Last edited by Pornkings; 11-22-2002, 06:09 PM.
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                                      • Pete
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                                        • Jan 2001
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                                        #20
                                        shall we have a stats stand off? i'm in the mood
                                        Step aside fool, you dont know who your fooling with. What stats would you like to trade? The ones that make you look like an ass?

                                        Dont try me cool guy.....
                                        Evoke Electronics

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                                        • quiet
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                                          • Sep 2001
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Pete

                                          Step aside fool, you dont know who your fooling with. What stats would you like to trade? The ones that make you look like an ass?

                                          Dont try me cool guy.....
                                          revenue stats (keeping in mind that i don't have an affiliate program). ie all my sales are my own, without affilitates. or we can do traffic i guess, though that doesn't really mean shit.

                                          maybe you are huge, but regardless, it will be fun for the gfy'ers
                                          we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                          • FlyingIguana
                                            aspiring banker
                                            • Mar 2002
                                            • 10870

                                            #22
                                            /me goes to pop some popcorn

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                                            • Fletch XXX
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by quiet
                                              maybe you are huge, but regardless, it will be fun for the gfy'ers

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                                              • chodadog
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                                                • Apr 2002
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by quiet
                                                maybe you are huge, but regardless, it will be fun for the gfy'ers
                                                Indeed. This sort of thing gets me hard. Please continue.
                                                26 + 6 = 1

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                                                • Pete
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                                                  • Jan 2001
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                                                  #25
                                                  revenue stats (keeping in mind that i don't have an affiliate program). ie all my sales are my own, without affilitates. or we can do traffic i guess, though that doesn't really mean shit.

                                                  maybe you are huge, but regardless, it will be fun for the gfy'ers
                                                  Revenue stats? How does that prove you can make more money on a pay site with or without an affiliate program?

                                                  Stupidity answers that question.
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                                                  • quiet
                                                    we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                    • Sep 2001
                                                    • 25115

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Pete

                                                    Revenue stats? How does that prove you can make more money on a pay site with or without an affiliate program?

                                                    Stupidity answers that question.
                                                    wow. that was easy. i guess you don't want to go toe to toe

                                                    what happened to:

                                                    Step aside fool, you dont know who your fooling with. What stats would you like to trade? The ones that make you look like an ass?

                                                    Dont try me cool guy.....
                                                    Last edited by quiet; 11-22-2002, 06:19 PM.
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                                                    • FlyingIguana
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                                                      • Mar 2002
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Pete

                                                      Revenue stats? How does that prove you can make more money on a pay site with or without an affiliate program?

                                                      Stupidity answers that question.
                                                      means you can bring in the sales

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                                                      • quiet
                                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                        • 25115

                                                        #28
                                                        gfy graphic guys, be ready to check any stats posted, for bs...
                                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                        • Pete
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                                                          • Jan 2001
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                                                          #29
                                                          wow. that was easy. i guess you don't want to go toe to toe
                                                          Toe to toe?

                                                          I'd be a while gathering data..what do you want to prove? I make more than you? I'm cool and your not? I smart and your dumb?
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                                                          • Sly_RJ
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                                                            #30
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                                                            • Pornkings
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                                                              • Oct 2002
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                                                              #31
                                                              Just for kicks this will be the first and last time I post any type of our stats.

                                                              Just our search engine traffic for today
                                                              SE GRAND TOTAL TRAFFIC 11/22/02 Raw 234,746 uniq 232,040
                                                              the day isn't over yet I still have 5 hours to go.
                                                              this isn't counting my affiliate traffic or any other type of traffic.

                                                              as far has how many sales thats my biz
                                                              but you can always see how we convert to give you an idea
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                                                              • quiet
                                                                we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                • Sep 2001
                                                                • 25115

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Pete

                                                                Toe to toe?

                                                                I'd be a while gathering data..what do you want to prove? I make more than you? I'm cool and your not? I smart and your dumb?
                                                                i'll quote again:

                                                                Step aside fool, you dont know who your fooling with. What stats would you like to trade? The ones that make you look like an ass?

                                                                Dont try me cool guy.....
                                                                'i'll be awhile gathering data' - too funny
                                                                Last edited by quiet; 11-22-2002, 06:29 PM.
                                                                we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                • quiet
                                                                  we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                  • Sep 2001
                                                                  • 25115

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Pornkings
                                                                  Just for kicks this will be the first and last time I post any type of our stats.

                                                                  Just our search engine traffic for today
                                                                  SE GRAND TOTAL TRAFFIC 11/22/02 Raw 234,746 uniq 232,040
                                                                  the day isn't over yet I still have 5 hours to go.
                                                                  this isn't counting my affiliate traffic or any other type of traffic.

                                                                  as far has how many sales thats my biz
                                                                  but you can always see how we convert to give you an idea
                                                                  nice
                                                                  we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                  • Pete
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                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                    • 6617

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Just for kicks this will be the first and last time I post any type of our stats.

                                                                    Just my search engine traffic for today
                                                                    SE GRAND TOTAL TRAFFIC 11/22/02 Raw 234,746 uniq 232,040
                                                                    the day isn't over yet I still have 5 hours to go.
                                                                    this isn't counting my affiliate traffic or any other type of traffic.

                                                                    as far has how many sales thats my biz
                                                                    but you can always see how we convert to give you an idea
                                                                    I can buy that much traffic for 1 million dollars...doesnt mean I'll make that much...
                                                                    Evoke Electronics

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                                                                    • FlyingIguana
                                                                      aspiring banker
                                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                                      • 10870

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Pete

                                                                      I can buy that much traffic for 1 million dollars...doesnt mean I'll make that much...
                                                                      do you rag on everybody?

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                                                                      • Pornkings
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                                                                        • Oct 2002
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Pete

                                                                        I can buy that much traffic for 1 million dollars...doesnt mean I'll make that much...
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                                                                        • Pete
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                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                          • 6617

                                                                          #37
                                                                          --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                          Originally posted by Pornkings
                                                                          Just for kicks this will be the first and last time I post any type of our stats.

                                                                          Just our search engine traffic for today
                                                                          SE GRAND TOTAL TRAFFIC 11/22/02 Raw 234,746 uniq 232,040
                                                                          the day isn't over yet I still have 5 hours to go.
                                                                          this isn't counting my affiliate traffic or any other type of traffic.

                                                                          as far has how many sales thats my biz
                                                                          but you can always see how we convert to give you an idea
                                                                          --------------------------------------------------------------------------------



                                                                          nice
                                                                          Your pushing the buttons.....
                                                                          Evoke Electronics

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                                                                          • quiet
                                                                            we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                            • Sep 2001
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Pete

                                                                            Your pushing the buttons.....
                                                                            if you're talking about me, roger and i have already had our run in. i'm not pushing anyone's buttons
                                                                            we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                            • BJ
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Did someone forget their ritalin? There's an issue at hand... lets try to concentrate

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                                                                              • Pornkings
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                                                                                • Oct 2002
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Pete

                                                                                I can buy that much traffic for 1 million dollars...doesnt mean I'll make that much...
                                                                                So are you telling me if I buy your traffic I won't make any money?
                                                                                Pornkings.com

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                                                                                • Pornkings
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by quiet


                                                                                  if you're talking about me, roger and i have already had our run in. i'm not pushing anyone's buttons
                                                                                  I agree and its behind us now.
                                                                                  I'm just having fun now and spamming my sig. LOL
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                                                                                  • Bobo
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                                                                                    • Feb 2002
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    How does NOT having affiliates save money?

                                                                                    I can understand hiring people to push your traffic, but why not let others push it also.

                                                                                    PLEASE tell me!

                                                                                    If the site is quality isn't it best that more people are aware of it?
                                                                                    Last edited by Bobo; 11-22-2002, 06:39 PM.

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                                                                                    • p1mpdogg
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                                                                                      #43
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                                                                                      • Pornkings
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Bobo
                                                                                        How does NOT having affiliates save money?

                                                                                        I can understand hiring people to push your traffic, but why not let others push it also.

                                                                                        PLEASE tell me!

                                                                                        If the site is quality isn't it best that more people are aware of it?
                                                                                        Personally training people inhouse has always back fired on me.
                                                                                        they always end up taking what they have learned and doing it on there own.

                                                                                        everyone has there own formula for success
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                                                                                        • Pete
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          if you're talking about me, roger and i have already had our run in. i'm not pushing anyone's buttons
                                                                                          I can show numbers. It'll just take me a while....
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                                                                                          • Pornkings
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by p1mpdogg
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                                                                                            • Bobo
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Pornkings

                                                                                              Personally training people inhouse has always back fired on me.
                                                                                              they always end up taking what they have learned and doing it on there own.

                                                                                              everyone has there own formula for success
                                                                                              Exactly what I'm getting. It's happend to me too! Again, I ask, why would it be worse to use affiliates?

                                                                                              More exposure of a good site will generate more sales no matter how you cut it. More people see something that's actually worth subscribing to, more will subscribe to it.

                                                                                              Where the fuck is my logic going wrong? Somebody PLEASE clarify this for me. It's important!

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                                                                                              • quiet
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                                                                                                • Sep 2001
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Pete


                                                                                                I can show numbers. It'll just take me a while....
                                                                                                booting up photoshop? j/k.

                                                                                                seems strange, as i (and anyone else i know) can produce stats in minutes.
                                                                                                we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                                                • Bobo
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Pornkings

                                                                                                  Personally training people inhouse has always back fired on me.
                                                                                                  they always end up taking what they have learned and doing it on there own.

                                                                                                  everyone has there own formula for success
                                                                                                  Lesson learned: Never teach a motherfucker everything you know about how the business runs. Once they know, all it takes is a little gumption to go try it on their own.

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                                                                                                  • quiet
                                                                                                    we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                                                    • Sep 2001
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Bobo
                                                                                                    How does NOT having affiliates save money?

                                                                                                    I can understand hiring people to push your traffic, but why not let others push it also.

                                                                                                    PLEASE tell me!

                                                                                                    If the site is quality isn't it best that more people are aware of it?
                                                                                                    like roger says, people accel at different things. i've found in house employees to work the best. i can leverage my content and expertise in their favor, and all traffic produced is mine. period.

                                                                                                    i am very successful working this angle. it's given me an extremely high profit margin. if you wish to pursue the affiliate angle, that's great too.

                                                                                                    if you're successful, who's to argue?
                                                                                                    Last edited by quiet; 11-22-2002, 06:51 PM.
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