How do you guys feel about the US losing the Olympics to China?? - GoFuckYourself.com

tranza · 08-25-2008, 10:35 AM

Is this being talked over there in the US?

What's the repercussion of losing the #1 place to China among americans?

baddog · 08-25-2008, 10:37 AM

I did not even know the Olympics were ours to lose, or that they now belonged to China.

What are you talking about?

tranza · 08-25-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I did not even know the Olympics were ours to lose, or that they now belonged to China.

What are you talking about?

You guys were always the #1 place on the rank, and for the first time China had way over gold medal than the US, winning the Olympics for the first time.

That's what I was referring to.

klaze · 08-25-2008, 10:40 AM

China is #1 this year? wow big surprise... NOT!

Fuck China.

CaptainHowdy · 08-25-2008, 10:42 AM

That has "conspiracy" written all over it...

MarcWomack · 08-25-2008, 10:43 AM

There's a few of us out there who look at the Olympics as a global event and use it as an opportunity to put away our nationalistic viewpoints and concentrate on a global perspective.

There are also a few of us out there who are just fucking happy it's over so we don't have to hear any more about China on CNN, Discovery Channel, fucking Animal Planet, BBC, yadi, yadi, yadi.

Zoose · 08-25-2008, 10:44 AM

They're not talking about it at all, probably because they ( American media ) all twisted the stats to where we didn't lose.. instead of the most golds being the stat used to determine who 'won' the olympics, everyone in the US is using total medal count. Personally though, I couldn't care less - China has 5 times as many people as us and they manufacture their athletes from the time they're 3 years old.

Triple10Terry · 08-25-2008, 10:44 AM

A pic or two might help this thread out

baddog · 08-25-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tranza

You guys were always the #1 place on the rank, and for the first time China had way over gold medal than the US, winning the Olympics for the first time.

That's what I was referring to.

We had more 10 more medals than them, but since they got more gold than us we are probably going to attack Brazil and Canada.

You really think anyone here gives a flying fuck how many gold medals we got or that we are losing sleep over it?

V_RocKs · 08-25-2008, 10:45 AM

I think Americans are more obese than ever... Not a big surprise.

directfiesta · 08-25-2008, 10:45 AM

USA didn't lose .. or win ...

It is a real sport competition to showcase the accomplishments of athletes from everywhere in the world ....

Get into the Olympics spirit ....

tranza · 08-25-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You really think anyone here gives a flying fuck how many gold medals we got or that we are losing sleep over it?

By the way some people are answering to this thread like it was an attack, and by the way you guys have manufactured the stats so that it doesn't look like you guys lost, yes I do think some people are losing sleep.

polish_aristocrat · 08-25-2008, 10:50 AM

Do you think in 16 years China will be more powerful than the United States ?

L-Pink · 08-25-2008, 10:51 AM

tranza · 08-25-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

Do you think in 16 years China will be more powerful than the United States ?

I think that China already is more powerful than the US.

Fletch XXX · 08-25-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

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lol

B2BwithJoeD · 08-25-2008, 10:54 AM

Interesting take on the US from a foreign perspective - I've always looked at the events, not at medal totals - with a population of 1.3 billion one might expect the Chinese medal count to be about 100%...

Is anyone in Brazil talking about the volleyball loss to the US? I am sure Brazil was disappointed not to win gold, but does that make the country of Brazil a loser?

What's really amazing is the number of world records set at this Olympics...

Babaganoosh · 08-25-2008, 10:54 AM

I'm still in shock that tranza can type more than 3 words in a post.

WOW!

I mean seriously...fucking WOW. I had no idea.

WarChild · 08-25-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tranza

I think that China already is more powerful than the US.

Yeah, but you're pretty much just wrong.

tranza · 08-25-2008, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Webbilling JoeD

Is anyone in Brazil talking about the volleyball loss to the US? I am sure Brazil was disappointed not to win gold, but does that make the country of Brazil a loser?

Yes, everybody is very upset about that over here. It's been all over the news.

Babaganoosh · 08-25-2008, 11:02 AM

No wonder this little bitch is badmouthing the US. He's upset that even Canada got more medals than Brazil.

That would give me an inferiority complex too.

Vendot · 08-25-2008, 11:02 AM

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2187rank.html

That says it all.

uno · 08-25-2008, 11:03 AM

There have always been 2 ways of looking at it from what I can remember. # of gold AND # of total medals.

I'm more of the mindframe that # of gold is the "winner", but I don't really care. Both ways seem like valid ways of looking at it.

tranza · 08-25-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Yeah, but you're pretty much just wrong.

Yeah, but they are.

US huge defict is pretty much backed mainly by Chinese funds. If they decided to collect these loans, the US would be bankrupt.

Then again they would never do that, since they need your market to sell all their crap goods.

tranza · 08-25-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

No wonder this little bitch is badmouthing the US. He's upset that even Canada got more medals than Brazil.

That would give me an inferiority complex too.

Brazil invested just a little US$100 million in 4 years on sports.

That's pretty much what the US invests in a week.

It's really amazing that brazilian athletes can even get a few medals.

scottybuzz · 08-25-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

We had more 10 more medals than them, but since they got more gold than us we are probably going to attack Brazil and Canada.

You really think anyone here gives a flying fuck how many gold medals we got or that we are losing sleep over it?

What are you smoking? Pass me some of it please

tranza · 08-25-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by uno

There have always been 2 ways of looking at it from what I can remember. # of gold AND # of total medals.

I'm more of the mindframe that # of gold is the "winner", but I don't really care. Both ways seem like valid ways of looking at it.

Lol, you're kidding, right?

It's ALWAYS been about the amount of gold medals. Not "total" medal.

Vendot · 08-25-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Yeah, but you're pretty much just wrong.

Yep ...... China is growing faster than most other countries (India is not far behind in % growth terms) but China is still a 4 trillion GDP at most. USA is 13 trillion GDP. It could take China 20 years to overtake.

US current account balance in 2007 here:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2187rank.html

Babaganoosh · 08-25-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tranza

Brazil invested just a little US$100 million in 4 years on sports.

That's pretty much what the US invests in a week.

It's really amazing that brazilian athletes can even get a few medals.

Maybe so but then shouldn't you consider that the US only has about 300 million people compared to China's 1.33 BILLION? That's over a billion more people than the US has. Honestly it's amazing that the US got as many medals as we did considering the pool of athletes China had to choose from.

tranza · 08-25-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

blablabla

Don't you have other threads to waste your time with?

Like defending Frank for posting gay porn on his sig, or about some game you love?

farkedup · 08-25-2008, 11:13 AM

If you're not first you're last...

Ricky Bobby is ashamed of the US

tranza · 08-25-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Maybe so but then shouldn't you consider that the US only has about 300 million people compared to China's 1.33 BILLION? That's over a billion more people than the US has. Honestly it's amazing that the US got as many medals as we did considering the pool of athletes China had to choose from.

That's the beauty about the Olympics. If you divided the amount of gold medals by the country population, countries like Australia would win, and the US would have a hard time getting in the top 10 because of tiny countries with a single gold medal.

If you divide the medals by the population, you'd ALWAYS lose. But this time you guys really lost by a metrics that YOU created. And now, you guys are trying to change the metric!

LOL!

SomeCreep · 08-25-2008, 11:17 AM

I discredit all of China's golds in women's gymnastics. So basically, they won golds in diving, mens gymnastics, and table tennis. For a country with the biggest population in the world, I thought they'd win more.

Babaganoosh · 08-25-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tranza

Don't you have other threads to waste your time with?

Like defending Frank for posting gay porn on his sig, or about some game you love?

Aww you don't like it when someone makes a point, do you?

Nice to see you turned off your post bot btw. It was getting incredibly annoying.

CherryV · 08-25-2008, 11:18 AM

Who cares as long as Canada wins gold in Hockey in the 2010 Vancouver Olympics!!!

Babaganoosh · 08-25-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tranza

That's the beauty about the Olympics. If you divided the amount of gold medals by the country population, countries like Australia would win, and the US would have a hard time getting in the top 10 because of tiny countries with a single gold medal.

If you divide the medals by the population, you'd ALWAYS lose. But this time you guys really lost by a metrics that YOU created. And now, you guys are trying to change the metric!

LOL!

You were just comparing the amount of money your little stinkhole country invested in sports to the number of medals won. Who is inventing "metrics" now?

tranza · 08-25-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CherryV

Who cares as long as Canada wins gold in Hockey in the 2010 Vancouver Olympics!!!

tranza · 08-25-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

You were just comparing the amount of money your little stinkhole country invested in sports to the number of medals won. Who is inventing "metrics" now?

You, and your midia. And you're such a sheep you don't even notice it.

Reak AGV · 08-25-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

Do you think in 16 years China will be more powerful than the United States ?

They already are

TheDoc · 08-25-2008, 11:25 AM

I don't care if we won any metals or any golds, or even went. Not because it's in China, but because it's just another game, like the kids playing football in the street yesterday. It doesn't make a single difference about anything other than to the people doing it, which is good thing for them and them alone.

Overall people care about every sport way to damn much. People going nuts, as if life ends to just watch the stupid sport and if it doesn't go as planed the day is ruined.

That is called being legally insane. You people are crazy!

Babaganoosh · 08-25-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tranza

You, and your midia. And you're such a sheep you don't even notice it.

Huh?

What are you babbling about?

CDSmith · 08-25-2008, 11:29 AM

Wow, Brazil has 185 million people and only came away with 15 medals (3 gold)

And mutt started 5 threads bagging on Canada for sucking. :D

RyuLion · 08-25-2008, 11:31 AM

The more power to them, congrants!

Michaelious · 08-25-2008, 11:32 AM

I thought it was about individual atheletes

OG LennyT · 08-25-2008, 11:33 AM

Good for China... we had some stars like Phelps and those volleyball chicks, basketball teams... it's all good.

Like most, I just enjoyed watching some good competition. I could give a shit who had more gold.

CDSmith · 08-25-2008, 11:34 AM

China put forty BILLION dollars into not only putting on these games but towards insuring that they win the most medals.

That's more money into their sports programs than all other countries combined and then multiplied a few times. And China's system of athlete selection is vastly different than that of the US, UK, Canada, Aussies etc. Theirs is engineered to advance only "gifted" athletes, and they obviously have a massive population on which to draw from.

With that kind of funding and determination to dominate they are going to be tough to beat from here on out. China is the new Russia.

L-Pink · 08-25-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Wow, Brazil has 185 million people and only came away with 15 medals (3 gold)

And mutt started 5 threads bagging on Canada for sucking. :D

If Tranny fucking was a sport those Brazil figures would really jump.

tranza · 08-25-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Wow, Brazil has 185 million people and only came away with 15 medals (3 gold)

And mutt started 5 threads bagging on Canada for sucking. :D

If you want to be an athlete here in Brazil you have to finance your own training. Even companies don't support it since there's no fiscal retribution.

Athletes down here in Brazil are true heroes.

Do you REALLY want to compare your country to a country like Brazil?

Wow, I guess it's even worse than I thought.

tranza · 08-25-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by OG LennyT

Good for China... we had some stars like Phelps and those volleyball chicks, basketball teams... it's all good.

Like most, I just enjoyed watching some good competition. I could give a shit who had more gold.

Paco, of Large Cash. · 08-25-2008, 11:49 AM

WOW! So much for this being about them showing us what they are capable of. Nope! Instead it's the pathetic battle for first---national pride is for fascists and nazis!

So, genius, exactly which formula did you use to derive your conclusion?

Better yet, what variables did you include:
- population
- total number of athletes
- total number of events
- number of athletes/event
- total dollars spent on training etc

It's the same flawed thinking as those that believe Canada lost to the US.

Here's something basic enough that even you can understand:
the importance difference in population makes!
Example: Canada to US = 10 times less!!!
Yes, that IS important since is clearly tells us the US has a much a deeper (gene/athlete) pool. By the time Canada has acquired one hopeful, the US has already been training 10!

Now, add to that the variables which help increase or decrease the advantage:
- total $ spent on training
- total $ spent on aids (swim suits, additional training facilities and the many others which not all can afford)

So, before opening your yap to say whom lost and won, take in to consideration all the variables. Or are you saying you already took in to consideration the fact that China has around 1 billion more people, and their sports concentration camps (training regimes) are virtually second to none?

An intelligent person would not say "" ... blah blah they lost ... " or " ... blah blah they won ...".
But for your sake:
the US (300+mil) only beat Canada (30mil) if the US medal count is more than ten times that of Canada!
China (1.3bil) only beat US (300+mil) if their medal count is four times greater.

I realize that the above is something which truly fair people can only understand. The rest refuse because it does not help them be better than the rest!

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Paco, of Large Cash. Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: --> . <-- Posts: 2,267	WOW! So much for this being about them showing us what they are capable of. Nope! Instead it's the pathetic battle for first---national pride is for fascists and nazis! So, genius, exactly which formula did you use to derive your conclusion? Better yet, what variables did you include: - population - total number of athletes - total number of events - number of athletes/event - total dollars spent on training etc It's the same flawed thinking as those that believe Canada lost to the US. Here's something basic enough that even you can understand: the importance difference in population makes! Example: Canada to US = 10 times less!!! Yes, that IS important since is clearly tells us the US has a much a deeper (gene/athlete) pool. By the time Canada has acquired one hopeful, the US has already been training 10! Now, add to that the variables which help increase or decrease the advantage: - total $ spent on training - total $ spent on aids (swim suits, additional training facilities and the many others which not all can afford) So, before opening your yap to say whom lost and won, take in to consideration all the variables. Or are you saying you already took in to consideration the fact that China has around 1 billion more people, and their sports concentration camps (training regimes) are virtually second to none? An intelligent person would not say "" ... blah blah they lost ... " or " ... blah blah they won ...". But for your sake: the US (300+mil) only beat Canada (30mil) if the US medal count is more than ten times that of Canada! China (1.3bil) only beat US (300+mil) if their medal count is four times greater. I realize that the above is something which truly fair people can only understand. The rest refuse because it does not help them be better than the rest! Last edited by Paco, of Large Cash.; 08-25-2008 at 11:51 AM..