So everything Russia does is great and moral? There intentions are purely genuine and have nothing to do with the issues of Georgia and the West.

Do you blindly sit by and believe everything they say? I understand in your country you can get locked up for disagreeing with the people in power, but I hardly doubt they monitor GFY.

When I told the same to SBR Richard, he said it's just a BS (note this post). Is there anyone who knows when exactly Google was bought by KGB? :winkwink:

Un
 

Bravo for speech of Vitaly Churkin in UN assembly.

PS.
Remember killing Chineese citizens when USA bomber Chineese embassy in New Belgrade, Serbia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bo...sy_in_Belgrade

Sorry but this is a very stupid question. How it can be that EVERYTHING which was done by anyone can be great and moral? Everybody makes mistakes.

However, in case with South Ossetia, Russia does it right because:
1) As a peace keeper, Russia is OBLIGATED to suppress any military actions in zone of it's responsibility according to the international mandate which was signed by all sides including Georgia.
2) As a president, Medvedev have to do anything to protect his citizens against any aggression.

Who are "they"? Please re-read this post to understand why your comment above looks so ridiculous to me: http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=14...&postcount=221

How many languages you know? How many news sources you are watching/reading? How many points of view they illustrate?

Do you think that CNN tells you only the truth? Don't be so naive: there is a propaganda in ANY news (American, Russian, Chinese or any other). Just learn to use your freedom in accessing to various information and your brain to analyze it. Here is something interesting about CNN, BBC etc: http://translate.google.com/translat...sl=zh-CN&tl=en - this is not related to the war in Ossetia, however there are lots of very interesting pictures to look at :winkwink:

You already shown a serious lack of information and inability to analyze the facts when you started to argue about "bombed the shit pipeline".

Nope, I believe that in your country you can get locked up for disagreeing with the people in power. Yah? :winkwink:

For those who have access to US-approved news only:


Also be sure to check these articles with videos:
Russian journalists beaten up in Georgia - a good example of Georgian "democracy" and "freedom of speech" in action
Shelled city is living hell - just read and watch

:warning If you are about to watch the video be warned that some people may find the images disturbing.



Why South Ossetia, why now?

Why South Ossetia and why now? The broader picture is of course Saakashvili?s NATO ambitions. He needs to unite his country for NATO to deliver on its promise of a MAP (Membership Action Program) to enter the Western military-political block. And Saakashvili desperately wants to have this completed by December when the alliance again meets.

The fact that Saakashvili is pressuring South Ossetia now is obvious ? the whole world is watching the Summer Olympics in Beijing. And it goes without saying the US will turn a blind eye to Saakashvili?s senseless aggression. NATO will probably do the same, though with the usual pinch of moralising and some fluff about respecting human rights.

I fully expect that Georgia will bring overwhelming military force to bear at some point. Many civilians will be killed. The whole operation will be called a ?police action.? Saakashvili will claim that the status quo was untenable. (This of course strikes me as odd; the current status quo is far from perfect, but at least civilian deaths were low).

Can military action against South Ossetia succeed? Certainly. Georgia can invade and occupy South Ossetia. Western countries and Ukraine have supplied Georgia with an arsenal of heavy weaponry. And American military personnel have trained the new Georgian armed forces. Will Abkhazia honor its commitment to assist South Ossetia if it is invaded? Will Russian irregulars enter the fray? We have heard a lot of grand statements about this, but both claims are problematic at best.

Let?s assume Tbilisi can ?win on the battlefield?. But will it be able to re-assimilate South Ossetia and South Ossetians? That will be very hard indeed. For about 15 years ?almost a generation ? this separatist republic has lived without Georgia, few Georgians, and the Georgian language. And Tbilisi?s brutal behaviour to stop South Ossetia?s bid for independence after the collapse of the Soviet Union literally created a lot of bad blood. To top it off, most citizens of South Ossetia have Russian passports. And there is strong evidence a South Ossetian identity now exists (and that identity is defined by not being Georgian or part of the Georgian state).

What will Russia do if there is a military strike against South Ossetia? Directly, I suspect it will do very little. It should be completely ruled out that Russia will use military force. But this does not mean Russia will remain neutral. Russia?s people-to-people contacts and trade links with South Ossetia are strong. Tbilisi will have to offer a lot of money and reconstruction ? not to mention an apology for killing its civilians - to bring South Ossetia back into the fold. And this is the optimistic scenario!

This is where Russia will play an indirect role. South Ossetians look to Russia for help. And Russia has done that. Tbilisi?s trade blockade against South Ossetia (a very poor region) has seen Russia step-in to render a hand. Russia has brought peace and stability to this breakaway republic and it wants things to stay that way. A military conflict will completely upset the current arrangement.

By going to war, Tbilisi will have its hands full. It will cut South Ossetian-Russian ties. Not only will the financial costs be high for Tbilisi, but there will be South Ossetian resentment at being cut off from Russia?s North Ossetia. And Russia will object that its fellow passport holders will be subject to civil and human rights limitations and violations.

Georgia is poised to invade South Ossetia because it can. But South Ossetia is not the real aim of this. Abkhazia is the real target. South Ossetia is a test to gauge Russia?s reaction. Once active resistance is subdued in South Ossetia, Tbilisi will taunt Abkhazia with ?See, your Russian friends didn?t do much for South Ossetia, nor will they really help you. Now come to the table and surrender.? This will be a huge miscalculation. Abkhazia is not South Ossetia.

Abkhazia is stable, self-confident and even rich - if investment continues. Abkhazia can also defend itself. A Georgian military operation against South Ossetia will have the opposite impact on Abkhazia ? the latter will turn inward and cease to be part of any negotiated arrangement with Tbilisi. And it wouldn?t surprise me if Russia drew a line in the sand ? that it will henceforth protect Russian citizens anywhere in the world (just like the US does today).

What will all of this lead to? South Ossetia, if invaded and occupied, will become a long-term headache for Tbilisi. A low-level insurgency will harass the Georgian occupiers. South Ossetian identity will only grow. NATO will also turn its back on Saakashvili - it will not induct a new member that is domestically unstable. Abkhazia will wait it out. Maybe in another 15 years the world will finally recognize the inevitable ? Abkhazia is a viable nation-state worthy of independence. I am sure the Abkhazians are more than willing to wait for this to happen. Returning to Tbilisi?s fold is simply not an option anymore.

A parting thought: Saakashvili has it all wrong. The use of force or the threat of force demonstrates just how bankrupt his vision for a united Georgia is. He wants reconciliation by use of a gun. How can one truly and honestly resolve differences when one party puts a gun to the head of the other?

I have said time and again that Tbilisi has to take the hard road to unite the country. And that way is the ?demonstration effect.? Make Tbilisi-controlled Georgia prosperous, safe, with a future, and not anti-Russia. When all of this really happens, then South Ossetia and Abkhazia might take a moment to reconsider their positions. Nothing succeeds like success!

To date, Saakashvili is one big loser.

~ Peter Lavelle

Russia win :)
Go-go-go Russia to Georgia :)

Russia is not going to invade Georgia. Russia is going to stop the genocide and bring to justice those who are responsible.

Believe me - both things will be done.

http://skovpen.org/wp-content/upload...3aa94c173e.gif

LOL

You probably think that Georgians have calmly watch Separatism growing in Ossetia just like that? Chuvak, kogda Sahalin pobezhit prisoediniatsia k Iaponii ia posmotru kakaia budet u Rashki reakcia.

андрюша сидоренко, хули сравнивать яблоки с радиаторами. Врятли россия пойдет стрелят из Катюш по жилому городу. Ты лучше про Крым расскажи нам а не про Сахалин...

This is where you lose all credibility. Can you point to one example where the opposition party was arrested because they have a different point of view? The U.S. does some shitty stuff, but I don't get locked up for being opposed to the government. This stuff seems to happen a lot in your country.

I'd tell you to look for some objective journalism, but apparently all those journalists seem to end up dead in your country.

Английские, вы говорите его?

Hule rasskazyvat, bratelo, v Krymu mozhet nachatsia tazhe huinia po indukcii. No eto ne na ruku Rashke. Samokat, kto ty za hui takoi, chto ia ne znau tvoego imeni?

Ты много еше чего не знаешь а хуи это то что весит между ног твоеи матери.

So they must kill everyone including women and children? Ты ебанулся совсем?

[QUOTE=pocketkangaroo;14588004]This is where you lose all credibility. Can you point to one example where the opposition party was arrested because they have a different point of view? The U.S. does some shitty stuff, but I don't get locked up for being opposed to the government. [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7111753.stm"]This stuff seems

My serbian friend who went to Florida college was called by authorites to explain what three fingers mean that he was using to say hi to other firends. It was forbidden to him to use it!!!! Freedom of speech? silly

Basically told him to mind his own fucking business and stop talking about things he knows nothing about. Its amazing how many ukranian pissants get all excited when something happens in Russia.

да хохол он. тут обяснят нечего.

Whaaaaaaaat? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Have I pretended to have any credibility for every brainwashed person like you?

Just a few words about freedom of speech.

1) When the USA started their attack on Belgrade, first of all they destroyed Serbian TV center.

When Russia started a military operation against Georgian aggression it hasn't bomb their media and TV structures.

2) When Georgia started it's invasion on South Ossetia, it has closed an access to the Russian internet sites and stopped re-translation of Russian TV to Georgian citizens.

Russia haven't restricted an access to any sites or TV channels including CNN/BBC/EuroNews etc to let its citizens read, watch and comment everything they want.

Still trying to grasp the deal here in Georgia.

So far what I have gathered is this.

1: Ossetia is a region that belongs to Georgia.
2: Russian influence and backing in the region has created an insurgent and separatist movement within Ossetia.
3: Georgia says holy shit this is not cool and tries to deal with it diplomatically for several years.
4: Separatists firstly in Ossetia fire artillary into Georgia.
5: Georgia says fuck you and level's the place and begins to exterminate the separatists.
6: Russia moves in with Air strikes and Tank incursion within Georgian borders saying Georgian's have started this war by killing Civilians in its attempt to remove the Separatists.

Is that about right? That appears to be the basic drum roll based on what I have read in the BBC, CNN, and Other reports that could be found in English about this region. Most information comming out of the area regarding whats happening is in fucked up languages I do not understand.


I am gonna have to side with Georgia on this one. Georgian government has every right to remove separatists from there borders. Russian Meddling did not help the situation.

I hope the Ukriane blockades Russian vessel's. If ya ask me the Old Soviet block states need to stand up and keep Russia in check in it's attempt to expand it's authority while attempting to acquire important oil pipelines that run throughout that region.

Its a war conflict. Its happening. And we dont have access to all the details. Its not like a oneday issues, its been up for years now. May be separatists should have predicted that and stop bitching understanding they are breaking the law... or Georgians should have let
em go? Can you please tell me what country do you know allowing separatism for free no strings attached?

Here's the full history:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...hronology.html

Logically correct. What most Russian people say atm its Georgian attack i skilling civilians.

We are talking about GENOCIDE man! I know you are Ukrainian. When Ukrainian SS mongrels have killed thousands of Jews during WWI times they were saying the same. Have your grandfather was among them? How many Jews he has killed personally? Got any medals from Hitler for that?

ah not true, i am observing facts only, i speak native russian and born in SU era, so I know a lot about SU. Hohol or not, it doesnt matter. Just looking at this and seeing cold facts while Russian brothers trying to polish my ass talking talking their hearts out.

One thing that is strange to me is this.

Why was Russia and Georgian government allowing Citizens to register as Russians within Ossetia and using Russian Currency within Ossetia and for the most part the region? How was that possible? Why would Georgians allow that to happen or was those things just part of Russia's Political influence to Fuel the separatist movement??

whats happened sounds like old school Russian State Satelite Hand book from way back in the 1900's. Russia did this same shit back then and many wars were faught over exactly these situations. Doesnt anyone learn from history anymore?
THis is old school Marxist Playbook.

What do brain children of Ukraine think? That Russians bombed the shit out of Ossetian capital causing civilian casualties? Please tell us Mr. Pulitzer. Enlighten us..

Can't you read or what? I've told already, that Georgia and South Ossetia have signed a non-aggression pact and asked Russia to be a peace keeper. I.e. to suppress any aggression from any side with a military power. Georgia has broke that pact and started a GENOCIDE. Russia just doing the job it is responsible for.

I don't understand how you can be so blind and ignorant :helpme

Ossetia had “autonomy” status for past 17 years. This whole “separatist” idea didn’t start last week. Whats so hard to understand.. Its disputed territory where 90% of people have nothing to do or common with Republic of Georgia. Its like Puerto Rico and the US but with more hate and animosity towards each other.

Brainwashed on what? I have no side on the issue. I don't even really care. Both sides seem to be fucked up in this situation and I'd say the issue isn't black and white.

I doubt CNN or others are able to access the area that quickly. I'd also imagine they would be under a lot of pressure in their reporting considering that those journalists who are critical of Russia seem to end up dead more often than not.

Again, pls, slow down and read what i wrote, not jsut picking up some phrases. Its sorry but separatists get killed in many conflicts. This time Russia being a pacifier is not jsut making itself look that good, not enoug rep. I have nothing personal against russians, i understand their reaction even, they went to Ossetia to protect their citizens living there, but those citizens belong to Ossetia that commited crime supporting separatism.

Actually it is exactly the Marxist playbook.

Carl Marx believed in Economical and political gains by supporting an economy initially and then introduce and expand socialistic policies within a territory for better or worse "Improve" economies labor force, then with eventuality seed in a separatist group that will push for socialistist movements which promises fair pay for fair labor. This is totally Russian Old school political tactics. All this should have been learned from the drum up to WWI and after WWI and WWII.

Ok, here is another history lesson for you. When the USSR has collapsed, it gave a possibility to ANY former person with a Soviet passport get a Russian citizenship. Georgia hasn't provided such a possibility to Ossetians because they are not Georgians because Zviad Gamsakhurdia - the first Georgian president proclaimed his famous term: "Georgia is for Georgians!". So as you my understand, the Ossetian people become non-citizens. Should I continue the explanation or you just turn your brain on?

Good to know, I had no idea wtf was going on and capt russian thread here didn't help.

Oh, eat shit with your fruit loops. What facts are you talking about? Hundreds of dead Ossetians that become “casualty of war”, yet it the Russians that are doing the killings… Piss off.

Another one who can't read :disgust

Marxism sucks, but Stalinism rules! Do you know that Stalin and Beria are idols of Saakashvily - the president of Georgia? No? Read the interview of his wife (I gave the links in my posts above).

you're getting blind in your anger. I noticed that Georgian attack caused many civilians dead. Since 99% supports full autonomy they all become enemies. It gave Gerogians a formal right to attack. But generally and lawfuly they are getting their own land back... in war.

I read Ossetia wanted FULL autonomy, its not accetable for any country to allow that.

Since when independence and liberty became crime? You ever read your own posts? East Timor, Kosovo, Baltic States… the list goes on.. How is Ossetia is different. What crime have they committed?

Maybe you should read my shot list again. Bullet point marked #2.

Well if it is worth dying for let them have at it. But I can tell ya one thing, once Socialism settles in Ossetia them people are not going to be any happier!:1orglaugh

Some people like the idea of having a guranteed job under Socialism ( Which is not bad at all! I am a Socialist! Or rather I consider myself one honestly because I do not think a Capitalistic system has as many opportunities to advance as it so claims, everyone ends up working at Mc Donald's and Walmart for substandard pay.) while others tend to enjoy the freedom of fending for themselves under a Democtratic/Republic with the freedom to endeavor for there own Financial asperations independently under a government system of check and balances.