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Pleasurepays 08-09-2008 03:37 PM

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mikoleg 08-09-2008 03:46 PM

I think everything is just made to convince the world that Russia is a bad one, meanwhile Russia is just protecting its people and the civilians of South Ossetia. Why thousands of civilians must die including the Russian peace keepers...?!

Georgia is trying to get support from US to go against Russia and if it happens then it could get really serious for everyone. Russia will never let any country to kill its people. Georgia is invading South Ossetia and Russia is just doing its duty to protect civilians and stop Georgia from criminal aggression.

just a punk 08-09-2008 04:04 PM

Guys, you are not that stupid. Don't believe to me, don't believe to American and EU news, don't believe to Russian and Georgian ones. You are looking for the TRUTH, right? Thus why don't you read South Ossetian boards? Google and other Internet translators allows you to do that.

Read this: http://www.ossetia.ru/events/evakuazia/comments/ and/or other blogs/forums where you can read about the real situation directly from South Ossetians without all fuckin' mass media BS. Read that the real Ossetian people say. Fuck all the news. Fuck CNN, fuck Russia Today, fuck FOX and fuck BBC. Be wise listen to the people who is in the the center of war. They are dying right now and they are begging for YOUR help!

Why you are so brainwashed. Why can't you use the Internet to make YOUR OWN point of view?

P.S. At least you can do this. Georgian people can't - their government has blocked a big part of Internet sites there. Saakashvili acts like China leaders - he just cuts of all the "negative" info.

Phil 08-09-2008 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikoleg (Post 14585855)
I think everything is just made to convince the world that Russia is a bad one, meanwhile Russia is just protecting its people and the civilians of South Ossetia. Why thousands of civilians must die including the Russian peace keepers...?!

Georgia is trying to get support from US to go against Russia and if it happens then it could get really serious for everyone. Russia will never let any country to kill its people. Georgia is invading South Ossetia and Russia is just doing its duty to protect civilians and stop Georgia from criminal aggression.

i'll see pigs fly before I see objective media coverage of anything that involves Russians.
When Georgians bombed the fuck out of civilians in Osesetia there was NOTHING about it in the news.. nothing. 1500 dead and its all kosher.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-09-2008 04:14 PM

По последним данным, в ночь на субботу в перестрелке в зоне грузино-осетинского конфликта убиты шесть и ранены 15 граждан Южной Осетии. Как ранее заявил РИА «Новости» помощник командующего Смешанными силами по поддержанию мира (ССПМ) в зоне конфликта Владимир Иванов, перестрелку спровоцировала грузинская сторона.

What???

just a punk 08-09-2008 04:17 PM

All the night two days ago I was watching "victorious" GEORGIAN TV news showing an attack on a sleeping South Ossetian city with "Grad's". The only thought I had: "where the hell Russian peace keeping military who MUST protect the civilians from such an open act genocide according to the international mandate". Georgian TV was sooooooo happy showing that "show". That was a fuckin' madness :(

just a punk 08-09-2008 04:20 PM

2 days in a raw U.N.O is still unable to get a resolution. Fucking bunch of sheep.

_Richard_ 08-09-2008 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14585891)
Guys, you are not that stupid. Don't believe to me, don't believe to American and EU news, don't believe to Russian and Georgian ones. You are looking for the TRUTH, right? Thus why don't you read South Ossetian boards? Google and other Internet translators allows you to do that.

Read this: http://www.ossetia.ru/events/evakuazia/comments/ and/or other blogs/forums where you can read about the real situation directly from South Ossetians without all fuckin' mass media BS. Read that the real Ossetian people say. Fuck all the news. Fuck CNN, fuck Russia Today, fuck FOX and fuck BBC. Be wise listen to the people who is in the the center of war. They are dying right now and they are begging for YOUR help!

Why you are so brainwashed. Why can't you use the Internet to make YOUR OWN point of view?

P.S. At least you can do this. Georgian people can't - their government has blocked a big part of Internet sites there. Saakashvili acts like China leaders - he just cuts of all the "negative" info.

I'm brainwashed?

The very news article YOU gave me to read describes the prosecution of georgian refugees and two 'being released'.

the comments on two 'different' articles, that were the same articles, list two different groups of messages discussing the aspect that russian forces were already bombing targets in Georgia, and the debate that some didn't even trust the news sources they were reading.

just a punk 08-09-2008 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SBR Richard (Post 14585927)
I'm brainwashed?

Yes you are. Read Ossetian boards and get a clue.

Phil 08-09-2008 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 14585906)
По последним данным, в ночь на субботу в перестрелке в зоне грузино-осетинского конфликта убиты шесть и ранены 15 граждан Южной Осетии. Как ранее заявил РИА «Новости» помощник командующего Смешанными силами по поддержанию мира (ССПМ) в зоне конфликта Владимир Иванов, перестрелку спровоцировала грузинская сторона.

What???

something about web site designers that love to give head to other guys.

Phil 08-09-2008 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SBR Richard (Post 14585927)
I'm brainwashed?

The very news article YOU gave me to read describes the prosecution of georgian refugees and two 'being released'.

the comments on two 'different' articles, that were the same articles, list two different groups of messages discussing the aspect that russian forces were already bombing targets in Georgia, and the debate that some didn't even trust the news sources they were reading.

Why are you waiting for someone to convince you? To me its common sense. Russians didn’t go in and started shooting at poor Georgians. Georgians started to bombard S. Ossetia killing hundreds of innocent civilians.. Is that the way to settle the situation? Lets say Quebec wanted to get out, so Canadian forces would just start bombing the shit out of Montreal???

buzzy 08-09-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 14585941)
something about web site designers that love to give head to other guys.

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_Richard_ 08-09-2008 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 14585965)
Why are you waiting for someone to convince you? To me its common sense. Russians didn?t go in and started shooting at poor Georgians. Georgians started to bombard S. Ossetia killing hundreds of innocent civilians.. Is that the way to settle the situation? Lets say Quebec wanted to get out, so Canadian forces would just start bombing the shit out of Montreal???

we're obviously talking about different situations..

Phil 08-09-2008 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SBR Richard (Post 14586058)
we're obviously talking about different situations..

Hypothetically speaking. And yes, totally different. Canada would never think of bombing its own citizens.

pocketkangaroo 08-09-2008 06:26 PM

cyberxxx, you really buy into all the government propoganda, huh? They train you Russians well.

halfpint 08-09-2008 07:25 PM

They cant agree on a ceasefire, lets just hope this dosent spread as the west has a pretty big intrest in Georgia because of the oil pipe that runs through it. They were saying on the news that this could affect the oil prices over here in the UK

Fatalspeed 08-09-2008 07:54 PM

Russia is at war with Georgia because NATO will be discussing the acceptance of Georgia to join NATO in december this year! This is Russia's only chance to go at war with Georgia to make sure South Ossetia will be from Russia.

IF Georgia joins NATO in 6 months it would have been too late for Russia, because NATO would be obliged to defend Georgia. And Russia vs NATO = huge war with Europe and America involved, so no f**king way Russia wants that to happen!

GetSCORECash 08-09-2008 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 14586244)
They cant agree on a ceasefire, lets just hope this dosent spread as the west has a pretty big intrest in Georgia because of the oil pipe that runs through it. They were saying on the news that this could affect the oil prices over here in the UK

I'm sure it will. We will see first thing Monday Morning, that the price of Oil will be higher.

I'm sure the rest of the market will react, downwards if a ceasefire isn't announced.

buzzy 08-09-2008 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14586160)
cyberxxx, you really buy into all the government propoganda, huh? They train you Russians well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russophobia

just a punk 08-10-2008 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14586160)
cyberxxx, you really buy into all the government propoganda, huh? They train you Russians well.

I've told you already that I'm watching and reading all the news Russian, European and US (I have BBC, EuroNews and CNN channels). In contrast to you, I can read both Russian and English - you can't. I also read Georgian news because the speak Russian well.

But!!! The main info I can not consider propaganda I'm getting directly from South Ossetians. Go and read that they say or shout up PLEASE.

Thank you.

just a punk 08-10-2008 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fatalspeed (Post 14586294)
Russia is at war with Georgia because NATO will be discussing the acceptance of Georgia to join NATO in december this year! This is Russia's only chance to go at war with Georgia to make sure South Ossetia will be from Russia.

IF Georgia joins NATO in 6 months it would have been too late for Russia, because NATO would be obliged to defend Georgia. And Russia vs NATO = huge war with Europe and America involved, so no f**king way Russia wants that to happen!

Why you are that stupid man? Do you know NATO rules? No? So why you are spreading lies here? FYI: a country (e.g. Georgia) CAN NOT BE ACCEPTED TO NATO if it has unresolved border issues. Georgia has very serious issues with South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Georgia wanted to join NATO within 6 months, but (!) it's impossible till they have the mentioned above issues. Georgian president Mr. Saakashvily decided to fix his border problems ASAP by getting over these territories by means of mass genocide.

So who was interested in this war? Who has started this war? Who has attacked seeping Ossetina civilians and Russian peace keepers? These are FACTS. Don't listen to BS. Learn the facts and don't show your ignorance here.

Kolargol 08-10-2008 02:27 AM

I wonder how many Ossetians are in Gori...

just a punk 08-10-2008 02:36 AM

Once again to all the brainwashed ones: Russia has its peace keepers in Georgia according to the international mandate signed by Georgia as well. The main purpose of Russian peace keepers was stopping any violence and military suppression of any side which starts a fire. That's not a propaganda, that's a fact.

Georgia (one of these sides) has started mass attack on South Ossetia and Russian peace keepers. Do you have at least a few cells in your brain to understand that Russian military operation is absolutely legitimate according to the international agreement. Georgian army has killed a lot of civilian Ossetians and they also killed 15 Russian peace keepers (I don't even speak about the injured ones). Isn't that enough? Do you suggest Russia to just relax and watch Georgian army killing Russian citizens?

just a punk 08-10-2008 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 14586799)
I wonder how many Ossetians are in Gori...

I also wonder how many Georgians are in South Ossetia...

just a punk 08-10-2008 03:42 AM

Don't trust to Russian news. Trust Saakashvili's wife. She told that her husband is wanna look as strong as Stalin and Beria:

Quote:

This is not how the Georgians see things. In an interview with a Dutch magazine, Sandra Roelofs, the Dutch wife of the new Georgian president and hence the new first lady of Georgia, explained that her husband aspires to follow in the long tradition of strong Georgian leaders "like Stalin and Beria". Saakashvili started his march on Tbilisi last November with a rally in front of the statue of Stalin in his birthplace, Gori. Unfazed, the western media continue to chatter about Saakashvili's democratic credentials, even though his seizure of power was consolidated with more than 95% of the vote in a poll in January, and even though he said last week that he did not see the point of having any opposition deputies in the national parliament.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...ygtvi.asp?pg=2
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/apr/01/georgia.oil
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/ap...geor-a15.shtml
http://markalmondoxford.blogspot.com...-fall-out.html

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistle...8455stalin.jpg

http://www.piratenews.org/beria-time...the-people.jpg

http://naviny.by/media/2008.01_w2/Saakash.jpg

Are these Russian news? No? Does it still look like a BS for you? Damn, guys open your eyes! You are going to deal with another bloody Georgian dictator who considers Stalin and Beria as his personal idols.

xmas13 08-10-2008 04:36 AM

Russian Federation: 1, USA: 0.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...8gW1ZHBe6gM3sg
Georgia withdraws as Russia builds firepower
Russian forces took control of the Georgian breakaway region of South Ossetia on Sunday as Tbilisi withdrew its troops in the face of a build-up of Moscow's dominant firepower.

just a punk 08-10-2008 05:01 AM

These are Ossetian news: http://translate.google.com/translat...F8&sl=ru&tl=en - as you can see, Russian news are much more tactful comparing to these.

just a punk 08-10-2008 05:23 AM

A brief video explanation for those GFY'rs who can't read and don't bother to use Google because FOX and CNN gives them "all the info they actually need":

GetSCORECash 08-10-2008 05:39 AM

McCain made the comment, that he is pleased that the United States will be facilitating the transfer of Georgian troops from Iraq to Georgia inorder for them to defend their country.

Quote:

McCain said he has spoken to Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili twice since the conflict began. "It is clear the situation is dire. ... I again call on the government of Russia to immediately and unconditionally withdraw its forces from the territory of Georgia."

He called the conflict a "threat to Euro-Atlantic security" and supported attempts by Western powers -- including the United States, the European Union and NATO -- to broker a cease-fire.

Obama, who also talked to Saakashvili, said that direct talks between Russia and Georgia are necessary.

"Diplomats at the highest levels from the United States, the European Union and the United Nations must become directly involved in mediating this military conflict and beginning a process to resolve the political disputes over the territories of South Ossetia and Abkhazia," he said. "A genuinely neutral mediator -- not the Russian government -- must begin a process of negotiations immediately."
Hopefully this will get resolved soon. This conflict, will affect us all, over time.

halfpint 08-10-2008 05:51 AM

Apparently the Russian navy is now blockading the Black Sea in order to stop military shipments to Georgia. Russia says it will not stop shipment of oil to Europe. Ukrain says they will not allow the Russian war ships to dock back at their ports. Strange I thought that Ukrain was more on the Side Of Russia. This is one fucked up situation. Lets just hope that Russia dosent send troops into Georgia proper. Cant believe Georgia thought they could go up against Russia They have certianly pissed the Russians off now.

Phil 08-10-2008 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 14587097)
Apparently the Russian navy is now blockading the Black Sea in order to stop military shipments to Georgia. Russia says it will not stop shipment of oil to Europe. Ukrain says they will not allow the Russian war ships to dock back at their ports. Strange I thought that Ukrain was more on the Side Of Russia. This is one fucked up situation. Lets just hope that Russia dosent send troops into Georgia proper. Cant believe Georgia thought they could go up against Russia They have certianly pissed the Russians off now.

Little pricks have no control over black sea ports. Its all talk but no walk.

crockett 08-10-2008 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14584600)
I was talking about a small and poor country that spends almost 10% of it's GDP to buy weapon. Do you see what I'm talking about?

Most small poor countries do spend a lot of money on their military's.. They keep much of the population in jobs that way. I'm also quite sure Georgia considers Russia as a threat so being they don't have anyone to protect them, why wouldn't they spend as much as possibe on their military.

femdomdestiny 08-10-2008 09:34 AM

go ahead
 
First, Russia never told that Sout Ossetia is independent country. (USA and EU did that for Kosovo)

Second: Sakashvili is responsible for this. In one night attacking town and kiling ordinary people is a crime. Now, russia should make tribunal like shitty one in Hague and judges should be from China,Russia, South Ossetia, Serbia or Venezuela. Just as example and give reward for Sakashvilis head.

Just hope that as less possible normal people will die on both side and hoping in same time that Russians won't stop soon.

At the end, it is not important, Georgia is pushed into war ba USA and NATO. They 've tried same what they did in Croatia .This time, calculation was wrong.

pocketkangaroo 08-10-2008 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14586778)
I've told you already that I'm watching and reading all the news Russian, European and US (I have BBC, EuroNews and CNN channels). In contrast to you, I can read both Russian and English - you can't. I also read Georgian news because the speak Russian well.

But!!! The main info I can not consider propaganda I'm getting directly from South Ossetians. Go and read that they say or shout up PLEASE.

Thank you.

You still never answered my question. If the battle is all about helping the South Ossetians, why the hell is Russia bombing the shit out of the pipeline?

Phil 08-10-2008 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14587556)
You still never answered my question. If the battle is all about helping the South Ossetians, why the hell is Russia bombing the shit out of the pipeline?

define "BOMBING THE SHIT" for us. From what I've read its unharmed. You really think that if Russians wanted to bomb US backed pipeline they would have done on day one.

just a punk 08-10-2008 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14587556)
You still never answered my question. If the battle is all about helping the South Ossetians, why the hell is Russia bombing the shit out of the pipeline?

I've answered already. If you think otherwise, answer my question: has the mentioned pipeline been destroyed? And please don't tell me that Russians are just unable to hit the target. If the military wanted to destroy it, the pipeline won't be working right now.

Pipeline is an easy target. It's long enough and doesn't move.

femdomdestiny 08-10-2008 10:05 AM

huh
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14587556)
You still never answered my question. If the battle is all about helping the South Ossetians, why the hell is Russia bombing the shit out of the pipeline?

In case that is true (and probably it is not since if they are able to hit police station, long pipeline wouldn't be problem, also believe it or not, Russians also have cruise missles, just don't have time to talk about it like americans do for Tomahawks), from same reason why Americans bombed civil car factory in Serbia while helping muslim terrorist to make independandt state of Kosovo,or bombed market full of people or bombed train full of ordinary people in Grdelicka klisura...etc....

pocketkangaroo 08-10-2008 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14587588)
I've answered already. If you think otherwise, answer my question: has the mentioned pipeline been destroyed? And please don't tell me that Russians are just unable to hit the target. If the military wanted to destroy it, the pipeline won't be working right now.

Pipeline is an easy target. It's long enough and doesn't move.

So the reports of bombing it are just made up?

just a punk 08-10-2008 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14587637)
So the reports of bombing it are just made up?

I guess that reports of bombing the Georgian military objects (airports, weapon depots etc) are real. Reports of bombing the pipeline are not. I even believe that some bombs may really had the targets that were close to the pipeline, but the pipeline itself was not destroyed, so it wasn't a target for sure. Let's speak about facts but not about rumors.

FYI: When Russian army wanted to terminate Dudayev, they hit him with a single missile which was aimed on his mobile radio signal only. :2 cents:

just a punk 08-10-2008 10:30 AM

BTW, any weapon is not 100% reliable and sometimes the missiles/bombs hit wrong targets, and sometimes it hits civilians (just try to count all similar cases during the US bombing of Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan) Unfortunately this is something which can't be avoided in any war.

However (!!!) if some important target was not destroyed with a first strike, it will be destroyed by a 2nd or (if you want) by a 3rd one. Once again: if that pipeline was a target, it will be destroyed in any case - doesn't matter how many bombs/missiles will be needed.


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