18 refunds/chargebacks this month, my personal record - GoFuckYourself.com

jscott · 03-30-2008, 12:31 PM

18 is my record in negative transactions for my affiliate accounts since i've been involved in the industry for 10 years

GrouchyAdmin · 03-30-2008, 12:33 PM

All from the same affiliate?

jscott · 03-30-2008, 12:33 PM

oh, and before all the gfy'ers that go against everything

i havent changed anything about who i promote, i promote anyone and everyone, my traffic is spread VERY thin throughout all the sites available

btw, i miscalculated, it's 21 refunds/chargebacks, NOT 18

signupdamnit · 03-30-2008, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jscott

18 is my record in negative transactions for my affiliate accounts since i've been involved in the industry for 10 years

I've been seeing an increase as well.

Sebastian Sands · 03-30-2008, 12:34 PM

that sucks.

jscott · 03-30-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

All from the same affiliate?

5 from 1
2 from another
2 from another
then all 1's

so it's spread out, so it actually seems "trendy"

OTerror · 03-30-2008, 12:36 PM

they are catching on!!!

GrouchyAdmin · 03-30-2008, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jscott

5 from 1
2 from another
2 from another
then all 1's

so it's spread out, so it actually seems "trendy"

Interesting. Who's your processor?

A bank usually issues a CB request only if the complaint is placed, there is nobody answering the telephone support line, and your support can not conclusively prove that the member signed up for, and used the service. This is usually pretty easy to provide.

Jens Van Assterdam · 03-30-2008, 12:38 PM

That must hurt.. would be like 1/4 of my sales

Iron Fist · 03-30-2008, 12:58 PM

Yikes.... no CB for me this month... thank goodness...

IllTestYourGirls · 03-30-2008, 01:04 PM

I had a bad charge back month last month mostly on the rebills. But nothing like that ouch! What % of your sales is that?

Antonio · 03-30-2008, 01:04 PM

this month sucks badly, one of my sponsors - up until now rock solid 1:300 on a micro-niche, this month rock solid 1:4000 ;(

ProjectNaked · 03-30-2008, 01:06 PM

I just caught a fucker last week who has wacked me for 4 CB's over 2 years. If they are ccbill subscriptions, email the ccbill fraud dept. They were able to verify that the guy has done this on other sites. Is there a subscriber blacklist out there for webmasters? I know for a while I was getting a lot of check fraud by these fuckers using a simple trick I'm not going to post here.

payd2purv · 03-30-2008, 01:11 PM

Oh how i'd like to name names.

I have had access to too many members areas over the years.

It is shocking how the member areas differ and don't deliver what the tours promise.

Barefootsies · 03-30-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by payd2purv

It is shocking how the member areas differ and don't deliver what the tours promise.

Exactly.

I think my highest month EVER was 5. That's right. Years of doing business online. FIVE FUCKING CHARGEBACKS, in a month, over 5 or 6 membership sites total!! Over 6 memberships sites, a TOETAL of 5 chargebacks.

On average, I would guess a normal month is 1, and you may have a bounced check or two. So let's say 3 monthly MAXIMUM on average.

However, I have been burned in the past on membership sites who's tours promise one thing, and the site is nothing remotely close. So I can see why their chargebacks would be "off da hook".

jscott · 03-30-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

I had a bad charge back month last month mostly on the rebills. But nothing like that ouch! What % of your sales is that?

my 21 is not a big % of my overall sales, so it's not that huge of a deal, but it's definately a disturbing thing since i've been pushing sites for 10 years, and this is the 1 worst month of negatives in the past 120 months (10yrs)

btw, this is combined, nats, epoch, ccbill, verotel
8 ccbill
5 epoch
4 nats
4 verotel

Lykos · 03-30-2008, 01:30 PM

Sorry to hear that bro,but am sure some wild party tomorrow evening will make u forget about it,hehe

GrouchyAdmin · 03-30-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jscott

btw, this is combined, nats, epoch, ccbill, verotel
8 ccbill
5 epoch
4 nats
4 verotel

That seems like a lot for CCBill; they make a point of contacting the program to try to rectify any issues, unless the person tells them that they just didn't sign up for it, and it was a stolen CC.

st0ned · 03-30-2008, 01:33 PM

I have noticed one of my sponsors getting like a charge back per week. Funny thing is I have hardly sent any sales to that sponsor. I would assume it is like a 75%+ charge back rate...time to pull the links.

Eman - PG · 03-30-2008, 01:35 PM

People are short on cash and are refunding/CBing more than usual.

directfiesta · 03-30-2008, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

Interesting. Who's your processor?

A bank usually issues a CB request only if the complaint is placed, there is nobody answering the telephone support line, and your support can not conclusively prove that the member signed up for, and used the service. This is usually pretty easy to provide.

You know you have a chargeback when, as example, Epoch takes it off your remittance, plus the 25.00 fee.

I had one last week. Guy signed up for a 3 months membership, cancelled 6 weeks later after dl near 45 gigs of content. Never heard from him, no emaiol, no phone, nothing ... 39.99 reversal plus 25.00 fee .

No point in arguing, loss of time

notoldschool · 03-30-2008, 01:42 PM

Had way too many CCBill800 chargebacks the past few weeks. Not too many CC chargebacks as ussual. About to drop that check shit completely.

Barefootsies · 03-30-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

Had way too many CCBill800 chargebacks the past few weeks. Not too many CC chargebacks as ussual. About to drop that check shit completely.

I dropped the check option on all my sites, but one, a year or two back. I The CCB bounced checks were off the hook. One of my friends in OZ noticed the same. So we both killed the check option around the same time.

Fuck em.

Never had a complaint then, or since, about taking checks. People must have realized that they need a CC to get porn, or at least our stuff, I guess. Out of the 1 site that still allows checks,... very few bounced. On average for I'd say maybe 1. Some months 2+, and sometimes none.

If I saw the same trend I did on the porn sites, I would kill it on that site as well. Check people make up less than 5%.

Go get some fucking money.

tony286 · 03-30-2008, 02:16 PM

if a affiliate is established and wants to signup for a program.Will the program give him access to the members area to check it out?

LB-69 · 03-30-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I dropped the check option on all my sites, but one, a year or two back. I The CCB bounced checks were off the hook. One of my friends in OZ noticed the same. So we both killed the check option around the same time.

Fuck em.

Never had a complaint then, or since, about taking checks. People must have realized that they need a CC to get porn, or at least our stuff, I guess. Out of the 1 site that still allows checks,... very few bounced. On average for I'd say maybe 1. Some months 2+, and sometimes none.

If I saw the same trend I did on the porn sites, I would kill it on that site as well. Check people make up less than 5%.

Go get some fucking money.

Check is still a good way for ppl to join our sites, we have less than 1% returned checks, so if you see pluses versus minuses, its still good.

Fizzgig · 03-30-2008, 03:07 PM

Stop bragging. :D

IllTestYourGirls · 03-30-2008, 03:18 PM

Why wouldnt they? I am not well known or a big player and all I had to do was ask to get access to the sites I wanted to check out. But then again I did send them a few sales first.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

if a affiliate is established and wants to signup for a program.Will the program give him access to the members area to check it
out?

Eriic · 03-30-2008, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

Interesting. Who's your processor?

A bank usually issues a CB request only if the complaint is placed, there is nobody answering the telephone support line, and your support can not conclusively prove that the member signed up for, and used the service. This is usually pretty easy to provide.

I got hit with --- Did you actually see him and did he sign the contract in your presence?

I said no maam it was done on the Internet?

She said he wins cuz you have no proof.

Tat2Jr · 03-30-2008, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Had way too many CCBill800 chargebacks the past few weeks. Not too many CC chargebacks as ussual. About to drop that check shit completely.

Try WTS - I had to have Epoch and CCBill check options completely removed from my sites, but WTS collects on checks like the mob. Seriously.

GrouchyAdmin · 03-30-2008, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eriic

I got hit with --- Did you actually see him and did he sign the contract in your presence?

I said no maam it was done on the Internet?

She said he wins cuz you have no proof.

Then she's going by the old "swipe card" book. You got a bad bank rep; most of them are familiar with the digital age.

Miguel T · 03-30-2008, 06:28 PM

That sure sucks big time!

MandyBlake · 03-30-2008, 07:53 PM

oh man. sorry to hear that.

ProjectNaked · 03-30-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Exactly.

I think my highest month EVER was 5. That's right. Years of doing business online. FIVE FUCKING CHARGEBACKS, in a month, over 5 or 6 membership sites total!! Over 6 memberships sites, a TOETAL of 5 chargebacks.

On average, I would guess a normal month is 1, and you may have a bounced check or two. So let's say 3 monthly MAXIMUM on average.

However, I have been burned in the past on membership sites who's tours promise one thing, and the site is nothing remotely close. So I can see why their chargebacks would be "off da hook".

I disagree with some of this as I feel a lot of it is fraud. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but it's more likely the person would just be pissed and not re-bill or ever purchase from the site again. I have processed 15K+ subscriptions and the CB's seem to come in waves when it's affiliate fraud or people working together to scam a site, (yes, there are boards out there with clear information on how to use check fraud and CB's to get free memberships

Barefootsies · 03-30-2008, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LB-69

Check is still a good way for ppl to join our sites, we have less than 1% returned checks, so if you see pluses versus minuses, its still good.

Agreed. It can be. I notice it as a better option on certain sites, then others. in my case, the porn sites, it was a bad option. So we killed it. It did not effect sales in the end, nor did we get complaints.

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Originally Posted by ProjectNaked

I disagree with some of this as I feel a lot of it is fraud.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by ProjectNaked

I'm not saying it doesn't happen but it's more likely the person would just be pissed and not re-bill or ever purchase from the site again.

I blacklist them with glee, on both processors. So that is not an option (for them to re-join).

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProjectNaked

I have processed 15K+ subscriptions and the CB's seem to come in waves when it's affiliate fraud or people working together to scam a site, (yes, there are boards out there with clear information on how to use check fraud and CB's to get free memberships

True dat. On both accounts. Do a simple G search on your website(s). You will find many boards listed in the SERPS where people are asking for passwords to your website(s).

It's not mystery science theatre.

payd2purv · 03-30-2008, 08:33 PM

You'd be surprised how the affiliate programs do not want to believe they are getting chargebacks because of how poorly ran the members areas are...

they will just tell you its cause the surfer is a scammer or broke or didn't know how to cancel the recurring membership...

Barefootsies · 03-30-2008, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by payd2purv

You'd be surprised how the affiliate programs do not want to believe they are getting chargebacks because of how poorly ran the members areas are...

they will just tell you its cause the surfer is a scammer or broke or didn't know how to cancel the recurring membership...

So true..

jscott · 03-31-2008, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lykos

Sorry to hear that bro,but am sure some wild party tomorrow evening will make u forget about it,hehe

haha, yea for sure man, btw, just had my best ccbill day of the year now

so wierd!

joeman1 · 03-31-2008, 03:21 AM

I got 5 so far ;)

Lykos · 03-31-2008, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jscott

haha, yea for sure man, btw, just had my best ccbill day of the year now

so wierd!

U see,am lucky

jscott · 04-05-2008, 10:27 AM

they're still rolling in consistently

Iron Fist · 04-05-2008, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

if a affiliate is established and wants to signup for a program.Will the program give him access to the members area to check it out?

I've personally never had a problem with requesting access...

Gerco · 04-05-2008, 11:05 AM

Holy shit.. I haven't had 21 CB's total since I brought my site online in 1999!

jscott · 04-05-2008, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerco

Holy shit.. I haven't had 21 CB's total since I brought my site online in 1999!

damn, nice!

fuzebox · 04-05-2008, 11:46 AM

I've noticed a steady rise in refunds/chargebacks, as well as cancellations. My revshare sales are going up every month but my rebills are staying the same or even dropping

Gerco · 04-05-2008, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I've noticed a steady rise in refunds/chargebacks, as well as cancellations. My revshare sales are going up every month but my rebills are staying the same or even dropping

Um, maybe time to start pushing something different?

nikki99 · 04-05-2008, 01:50 PM

some bad stuff there

tranza · 04-05-2008, 02:13 PM

That's fucked up man... I just recently had my own personal record for chargebacks on the same day, but it was only 3, from the same sponsor.

tranza · 04-05-2008, 02:16 PM

That's fucked up man... I just recently had my own personal record for chargebacks on the same day, but it was only 3, from the same sponsor.

V_RocKs · 04-05-2008, 02:25 PM

TR is 8 of them so far this year... Very strange.

notoldschool · 04-05-2008, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerco

Holy shit.. I haven't had 21 CB's total since I brought my site online in 1999!

Try getting more than 1 phone sign up a week and then we will talk.

03-30-2008, 12:31 PM	#1
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	18 refunds/chargebacks this month, my personal record 18 is my record in negative transactions for my affiliate accounts since i've been involved in the industry for 10 years

03-30-2008, 12:33 PM	#2
GrouchyAdmin Now choke yourself! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 12,085	All from the same affiliate? __________________ AIM: GrouchyGfy

03-30-2008, 12:36 PM	#7
OTerror Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ICQ: 424142850 Posts: 2,527	they are catching on!!! __________________ ICQ 424142850

03-30-2008, 12:38 PM	#9
Jens Van Assterdam The Dupre Pimp Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Koh Samui Posts: 6,677	That must hurt.. would be like 1/4 of my sales __________________ Read TOS for signature rules

03-30-2008, 12:58 PM	#10
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	Yikes.... no CB for me this month... thank goodness... __________________ i like waffles

03-30-2008, 12:34 PM	#5
Sebastian Sands Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ICQ: 211-417-740 Posts: 5,223	that sucks.

03-30-2008, 01:04 PM	#11
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	I had a bad charge back month last month mostly on the rebills. But nothing like that ouch! What % of your sales is that? __________________

03-30-2008, 01:04 PM	#12
Antonio Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Spartaaaaaaaaa Posts: 14,136	this month sucks badly, one of my sponsors - up until now rock solid 1:300 on a micro-niche, this month rock solid 1:4000 ;(

03-30-2008, 01:06 PM	#13
ProjectNaked Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroit Areola Posts: 4,309	I just caught a fucker last week who has wacked me for 4 CB's over 2 years. If they are ccbill subscriptions, email the ccbill fraud dept. They were able to verify that the guy has done this on other sites. Is there a subscriber blacklist out there for webmasters? I know for a while I was getting a lot of check fraud by these fuckers using a simple trick I'm not going to post here.

03-30-2008, 01:11 PM	#14
payd2purv Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,727	Oh how i'd like to name names. I have had access to too many members areas over the years. It is shocking how the member areas differ and don't deliver what the tours promise.

03-30-2008, 01:30 PM	#17
Lykos Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: World Posts: 31,027	Sorry to hear that bro,but am sure some wild party tomorrow evening will make u forget about it,hehe __________________

03-30-2008, 01:33 PM	#19
st0ned Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 8,437	I have noticed one of my sponsors getting like a charge back per week. Funny thing is I have hardly sent any sales to that sponsor. I would assume it is like a 75%+ charge back rate...time to pull the links. __________________ Conversion Sharks - 1,000+ adult dating offers, traffic management, and consistently high payouts. We will guarantee and beat your current EPC to win your dating traffic! Skype: ConversionSharks \|\| Email: info /@/ conversionsharks.com

03-30-2008, 01:35 PM	#20
Eman - PG PG Co-Boss Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: GFY Posts: 524	People are short on cash and are refunding/CBing more than usual.

03-30-2008, 01:42 PM	#22
notoldschool Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,687	Had way too many CCBill800 chargebacks the past few weeks. Not too many CC chargebacks as ussual. About to drop that check shit completely. __________________ No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture. -- Learned Hand http://www.bjpenn.com

03-30-2008, 02:16 PM	#24
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	if a affiliate is established and wants to signup for a program.Will the program give him access to the members area to check it out?

03-30-2008, 03:07 PM	#26
Fizzgig Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: In Your Dreams Posts: 9,649	Stop bragging. :D __________________ ---'-,-{@ Sassy Grrrl @}-'-,---

03-30-2008, 06:28 PM	#31
Miguel T ♦ Web Developer ♦ Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Full-Stack Developer Posts: 12,472	That sure sucks big time! __________________ Full Stack Webdeveloper: HTML5/CSS3, jQuery, AJAX, ElevatedX, NATS, MechBunny, Wordpress

03-30-2008, 07:53 PM	#32
MandyBlake The one and only! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 17,761	oh man. sorry to hear that. __________________ Mandy's Playhouse Her First Fat Girl If you're interested in promoting my sites, ICQ me! 178411921

03-30-2008, 08:33 PM	#35
payd2purv Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,727	You'd be surprised how the affiliate programs do not want to believe they are getting chargebacks because of how poorly ran the members areas are... they will just tell you its cause the surfer is a scammer or broke or didn't know how to cancel the recurring membership... Last edited by payd2purv; 03-30-2008 at 08:34 PM..

03-31-2008, 03:21 AM	#38
joeman1 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 321	I got 5 so far ;)

04-05-2008, 10:27 AM	#40
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	they're still rolling in consistently

04-05-2008, 11:05 AM	#42
Gerco Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,052	Holy shit.. I haven't had 21 CB's total since I brought my site online in 1999! __________________ Http://www.extremehole.com ** CLOSED ** 400 HOURS of exclusive custom extreme content, already on external HD in Raw DV ready to encode. over 150,000 exclusive images and more.

04-05-2008, 11:46 AM	#44
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,114	I've noticed a steady rise in refunds/chargebacks, as well as cancellations. My revshare sales are going up every month but my rebills are staying the same or even dropping

04-05-2008, 01:50 PM	#46
nikki99 Supermodel Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sodoma & Gomorra Posts: 22,897	some bad stuff there __________________ SMC Revenue - Best Tgirl websites of the world now VR Non exclusive BIG Tranny/shemale Package for sale, full 2257 - hit me up skype: nikkimontero

04-05-2008, 02:13 PM	#47
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	That's fucked up man... I just recently had my own personal record for chargebacks on the same day, but it was only 3, from the same sponsor. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

04-05-2008, 02:16 PM	#48
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	That's fucked up man... I just recently had my own personal record for chargebacks on the same day, but it was only 3, from the same sponsor. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

04-05-2008, 02:25 PM	#49
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	TR is 8 of them so far this year... Very strange.