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  • jscott
    jscizzle
    • Feb 2001
    • 25415

    #1

    18 refunds/chargebacks this month, my personal record

    18 is my record in negative transactions for my affiliate accounts since i've been involved in the industry for 10 years
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  • GrouchyAdmin
    Now choke yourself!
    • Apr 2006
    • 12085

    #2
    All from the same affiliate?

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    • jscott
      jscizzle
      • Feb 2001
      • 25415

      #3
      oh, and before all the gfy'ers that go against everything

      i havent changed anything about who i promote, i promote anyone and everyone, my traffic is spread VERY thin throughout all the sites available

      btw, i miscalculated, it's 21 refunds/chargebacks, NOT 18
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      • signupdamnit
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2007
        • 6697

        #4
        Originally posted by jscott
        18 is my record in negative transactions for my affiliate accounts since i've been involved in the industry for 10 years
        I've been seeing an increase as well.

        You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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        • Sebastian Sands
          Confirmed User
          • Mar 2005
          • 5223

          #5
          that sucks.

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          • jscott
            jscizzle
            • Feb 2001
            • 25415

            #6
            Originally posted by GrouchyAdmin
            All from the same affiliate?
            5 from 1
            2 from another
            2 from another
            then all 1's

            so it's spread out, so it actually seems "trendy"
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            • OTerror
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2005
              • 2527

              #7
              they are catching on!!!
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              • GrouchyAdmin
                Now choke yourself!
                • Apr 2006
                • 12085

                #8
                Originally posted by jscott
                5 from 1
                2 from another
                2 from another
                then all 1's

                so it's spread out, so it actually seems "trendy"
                Interesting. Who's your processor?

                A bank usually issues a CB request only if the complaint is placed, there is nobody answering the telephone support line, and your support can not conclusively prove that the member signed up for, and used the service. This is usually pretty easy to provide.

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                • Jens Van Assterdam
                  The Dupre Pimp
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 6677

                  #9
                  That must hurt.. would be like 1/4 of my sales
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                  • Iron Fist
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 23400

                    #10
                    Yikes.... no CB for me this month... thank goodness...
                    i like waffles

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                    • IllTestYourGirls
                      Ah My Balls
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 14311

                      #11
                      I had a bad charge back month last month mostly on the rebills. But nothing like that ouch! What % of your sales is that?

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                      • Antonio
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Oct 2001
                        • 14136

                        #12
                        this month sucks badly, one of my sponsors - up until now rock solid 1:300 on a micro-niche, this month rock solid 1:4000 ;(

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                        • ProjectNaked
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 4309

                          #13
                          I just caught a fucker last week who has wacked me for 4 CB's over 2 years. If they are ccbill subscriptions, email the ccbill fraud dept. They were able to verify that the guy has done this on other sites. Is there a subscriber blacklist out there for webmasters? I know for a while I was getting a lot of check fraud by these fuckers using a simple trick I'm not going to post here.

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                          • payd2purv
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 2727

                            #14
                            Oh how i'd like to name names.

                            I have had access to too many members areas over the years.

                            It is shocking how the member areas differ and don't deliver what the tours promise.

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                            • Barefootsies
                              Choice is an Illusion
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 42635

                              #15
                              Originally posted by payd2purv
                              It is shocking how the member areas differ and don't deliver what the tours promise.
                              Exactly.

                              I think my highest month EVER was 5. That's right. Years of doing business online. FIVE FUCKING CHARGEBACKS, in a month, over 5 or 6 membership sites total!! Over 6 memberships sites, a TOETAL of 5 chargebacks.

                              On average, I would guess a normal month is 1, and you may have a bounced check or two. So let's say 3 monthly MAXIMUM on average.

                              However, I have been burned in the past on membership sites who's tours promise one thing, and the site is nothing remotely close. So I can see why their chargebacks would be "off da hook".

                              Last edited by Barefootsies; 03-30-2008, 12:27 PM.
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                              • jscott
                                jscizzle
                                • Feb 2001
                                • 25415

                                #16
                                Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                I had a bad charge back month last month mostly on the rebills. But nothing like that ouch! What % of your sales is that?
                                my 21 is not a big % of my overall sales, so it's not that huge of a deal, but it's definately a disturbing thing since i've been pushing sites for 10 years, and this is the 1 worst month of negatives in the past 120 months (10yrs)



                                btw, this is combined, nats, epoch, ccbill, verotel
                                8 ccbill
                                5 epoch
                                4 nats
                                4 verotel
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                                • Lykos
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Apr 2003
                                  • 31032

                                  #17
                                  Sorry to hear that bro,but am sure some wild party tomorrow evening will make u forget about it,hehe

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                                  • GrouchyAdmin
                                    Now choke yourself!
                                    • Apr 2006
                                    • 12085

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by jscott
                                    btw, this is combined, nats, epoch, ccbill, verotel
                                    8 ccbill
                                    5 epoch
                                    4 nats
                                    4 verotel
                                    That seems like a lot for CCBill; they make a point of contacting the program to try to rectify any issues, unless the person tells them that they just didn't sign up for it, and it was a stolen CC.

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                                    • st0ned
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Mar 2007
                                      • 8437

                                      #19
                                      I have noticed one of my sponsors getting like a charge back per week. Funny thing is I have hardly sent any sales to that sponsor. I would assume it is like a 75%+ charge back rate...time to pull the links.
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                                      • Eman - PG
                                        PG Co-Boss
                                        • Nov 2003
                                        • 524

                                        #20
                                        People are short on cash and are refunding/CBing more than usual.

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                                        • directfiesta
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 30136

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by GrouchyAdmin
                                          Interesting. Who's your processor?

                                          A bank usually issues a CB request only if the complaint is placed, there is nobody answering the telephone support line, and your support can not conclusively prove that the member signed up for, and used the service. This is usually pretty easy to provide.
                                          You know you have a chargeback when, as example, Epoch takes it off your remittance, plus the 25.00 fee.

                                          I had one last week. Guy signed up for a 3 months membership, cancelled 6 weeks later after dl near 45 gigs of content. Never heard from him, no emaiol, no phone, nothing ... 39.99 reversal plus 25.00 fee .

                                          No point in arguing, loss of time
                                          I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                          But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                          • notoldschool
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Aug 2007
                                            • 5687

                                            #22
                                            Had way too many CCBill800 chargebacks the past few weeks. Not too many CC chargebacks as ussual. About to drop that check shit completely.
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                                            • Barefootsies
                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                              • Feb 2005
                                              • 42635

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by notoldschool
                                              Had way too many CCBill800 chargebacks the past few weeks. Not too many CC chargebacks as ussual. About to drop that check shit completely.
                                              I dropped the check option on all my sites, but one, a year or two back. I The CCB bounced checks were off the hook. One of my friends in OZ noticed the same. So we both killed the check option around the same time.

                                              Fuck em.

                                              Never had a complaint then, or since, about taking checks. People must have realized that they need a CC to get porn, or at least our stuff, I guess. Out of the 1 site that still allows checks,... very few bounced. On average for I'd say maybe 1. Some months 2+, and sometimes none.

                                              If I saw the same trend I did on the porn sites, I would kill it on that site as well. Check people make up less than 5%.

                                              Go get some fucking money.
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                                              • tony299
                                                lurker
                                                • Aug 2002
                                                • 57021

                                                #24
                                                if a affiliate is established and wants to signup for a program.Will the program give him access to the members area to check it out?

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                                                • LB-69
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Nov 2005
                                                  • 1322

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                  I dropped the check option on all my sites, but one, a year or two back. I The CCB bounced checks were off the hook. One of my friends in OZ noticed the same. So we both killed the check option around the same time.

                                                  Fuck em.

                                                  Never had a complaint then, or since, about taking checks. People must have realized that they need a CC to get porn, or at least our stuff, I guess. Out of the 1 site that still allows checks,... very few bounced. On average for I'd say maybe 1. Some months 2+, and sometimes none.

                                                  If I saw the same trend I did on the porn sites, I would kill it on that site as well. Check people make up less than 5%.

                                                  Go get some fucking money.
                                                  Check is still a good way for ppl to join our sites, we have less than 1% returned checks, so if you see pluses versus minuses, its still good.
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                                                  • Fizzgig
                                                    Registered User
                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                    • 9649

                                                    #26
                                                    Stop bragging. :D
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                                                    • IllTestYourGirls
                                                      Ah My Balls
                                                      • Feb 2007
                                                      • 14311

                                                      #27
                                                      Why wouldnt they? I am not well known or a big player and all I had to do was ask to get access to the sites I wanted to check out. But then again I did send them a few sales first.

                                                      Originally posted by tony404
                                                      if a affiliate is established and wants to signup for a program.Will the program give him access to the members area to check it
                                                      out?

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                                                      • Eriic
                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                        • Jan 2008
                                                        • 2995

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by GrouchyAdmin
                                                        Interesting. Who's your processor?

                                                        A bank usually issues a CB request only if the complaint is placed, there is nobody answering the telephone support line, and your support can not conclusively prove that the member signed up for, and used the service. This is usually pretty easy to provide.
                                                        I got hit with --- Did you actually see him and did he sign the contract in your presence?

                                                        I said no maam it was done on the Internet?

                                                        She said he wins cuz you have no proof.

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                                                        • Tat2Jr
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                          • 4882

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                          Had way too many CCBill800 chargebacks the past few weeks. Not too many CC chargebacks as ussual. About to drop that check shit completely.
                                                          Try WTS - I had to have Epoch and CCBill check options completely removed from my sites, but WTS collects on checks like the mob. Seriously.
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                                                          • GrouchyAdmin
                                                            Now choke yourself!
                                                            • Apr 2006
                                                            • 12085

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Eriic
                                                            I got hit with --- Did you actually see him and did he sign the contract in your presence?

                                                            I said no maam it was done on the Internet?

                                                            She said he wins cuz you have no proof.
                                                            Then she's going by the old "swipe card" book. You got a bad bank rep; most of them are familiar with the digital age.

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                                                            • Miguel T
                                                              ♦ Web Developer ♦
                                                              • May 2005
                                                              • 12473

                                                              #31
                                                              That sure sucks big time!

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                                                              • MandyBlake
                                                                The one and only!
                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                • 17761

                                                                #32
                                                                oh man. sorry to hear that.
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                                                                • ProjectNaked
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                                  • 4309

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                  Exactly.

                                                                  I think my highest month EVER was 5. That's right. Years of doing business online. FIVE FUCKING CHARGEBACKS, in a month, over 5 or 6 membership sites total!! Over 6 memberships sites, a TOETAL of 5 chargebacks.

                                                                  On average, I would guess a normal month is 1, and you may have a bounced check or two. So let's say 3 monthly MAXIMUM on average.

                                                                  However, I have been burned in the past on membership sites who's tours promise one thing, and the site is nothing remotely close. So I can see why their chargebacks would be "off da hook".

                                                                  I disagree with some of this as I feel a lot of it is fraud. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but it's more likely the person would just be pissed and not re-bill or ever purchase from the site again. I have processed 15K+ subscriptions and the CB's seem to come in waves when it's affiliate fraud or people working together to scam a site, (yes, there are boards out there with clear information on how to use check fraud and CB's to get free memberships

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                                                                  • Barefootsies
                                                                    Choice is an Illusion
                                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                                    • 42635

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by LB-69
                                                                    Check is still a good way for ppl to join our sites, we have less than 1% returned checks, so if you see pluses versus minuses, its still good.
                                                                    Agreed. It can be. I notice it as a better option on certain sites, then others. in my case, the porn sites, it was a bad option. So we killed it. It did not effect sales in the end, nor did we get complaints.

                                                                    Originally posted by ProjectNaked
                                                                    I disagree with some of this as I feel a lot of it is fraud.
                                                                    Agreed.

                                                                    Originally posted by ProjectNaked
                                                                    I'm not saying it doesn't happen but it's more likely the person would just be pissed and not re-bill or ever purchase from the site again.
                                                                    I blacklist them with glee, on both processors. So that is not an option (for them to re-join).

                                                                    Originally posted by ProjectNaked
                                                                    I have processed 15K+ subscriptions and the CB's seem to come in waves when it's affiliate fraud or people working together to scam a site, (yes, there are boards out there with clear information on how to use check fraud and CB's to get free memberships
                                                                    True dat. On both accounts. Do a simple G search on your website(s). You will find many boards listed in the SERPS where people are asking for passwords to your website(s).

                                                                    It's not mystery science theatre.
                                                                    Should You Email Your Members?

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                                                                    Enough Said.

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                                                                    • payd2purv
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Jan 2008
                                                                      • 2727

                                                                      #35
                                                                      You'd be surprised how the affiliate programs do not want to believe they are getting chargebacks because of how poorly ran the members areas are...

                                                                      they will just tell you its cause the surfer is a scammer or broke or didn't know how to cancel the recurring membership...
                                                                      Last edited by payd2purv; 03-30-2008, 07:34 PM.

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                                                                      • Barefootsies
                                                                        Choice is an Illusion
                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                        • 42635

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by payd2purv
                                                                        You'd be surprised how the affiliate programs do not want to believe they are getting chargebacks because of how poorly ran the members areas are...

                                                                        they will just tell you its cause the surfer is a scammer or broke or didn't know how to cancel the recurring membership...
                                                                        So true..
                                                                        Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                        Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                        Enough Said.

                                                                        "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                        • jscott
                                                                          jscizzle
                                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                                          • 25415

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Lykos
                                                                          Sorry to hear that bro,but am sure some wild party tomorrow evening will make u forget about it,hehe
                                                                          haha, yea for sure man, btw, just had my best ccbill day of the year now
                                                                          so wierd!
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                                                                          - Jordan B. Peterson
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                                                                          • joeman1
                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                            • Aug 2007
                                                                            • 321

                                                                            #38
                                                                            I got 5 so far ;)

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                                                                            • Lykos
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                              • 31032

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by jscott
                                                                              haha, yea for sure man, btw, just had my best ccbill day of the year now
                                                                              so wierd!
                                                                              U see,am lucky

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                                                                              • jscott
                                                                                jscizzle
                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                • 25415

                                                                                #40
                                                                                they're still rolling in consistently
                                                                                If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of.
                                                                                - Jordan B. Peterson
                                                                                Listen to Pomp tell why is Bitcoin important

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                                                                                • Iron Fist
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • Dec 2006
                                                                                  • 23400

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                  if a affiliate is established and wants to signup for a program.Will the program give him access to the members area to check it out?
                                                                                  I've personally never had a problem with requesting access...
                                                                                  i like waffles

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                                                                                  • Gerco
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Nov 2005
                                                                                    • 2052

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Holy shit.. I haven't had 21 CB's total since I brought my site online in 1999!
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                                                                                    • jscott
                                                                                      jscizzle
                                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                                      • 25415

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Gerco
                                                                                      Holy shit.. I haven't had 21 CB's total since I brought my site online in 1999!
                                                                                      damn, nice!
                                                                                      If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of.
                                                                                      - Jordan B. Peterson
                                                                                      Listen to Pomp tell why is Bitcoin important

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                                                                                      • fuzebox
                                                                                        making it rain
                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                        • 22353

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        I've noticed a steady rise in refunds/chargebacks, as well as cancellations. My revshare sales are going up every month but my rebills are staying the same or even dropping

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                                                                                        • Gerco
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Nov 2005
                                                                                          • 2052

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                                          I've noticed a steady rise in refunds/chargebacks, as well as cancellations. My revshare sales are going up every month but my rebills are staying the same or even dropping
                                                                                          Um, maybe time to start pushing something different?
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                                                                                          • nikki99
                                                                                            Supermodel
                                                                                            • Nov 2004
                                                                                            • 23087

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            some bad stuff there
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                                                                                            • tranza
                                                                                              ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                              • 57559

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              That's fucked up man... I just recently had my own personal record for chargebacks on the same day, but it was only 3, from the same sponsor.

                                                                                              I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                              • tranza
                                                                                                ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                                                • 57559

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                That's fucked up man... I just recently had my own personal record for chargebacks on the same day, but it was only 3, from the same sponsor.

                                                                                                I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                • V_RocKs
                                                                                                  Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                                                                  • 32449

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  TR is 8 of them so far this year... Very strange.

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                                                                                                  • notoldschool
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Aug 2007
                                                                                                    • 5687

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Gerco
                                                                                                    Holy shit.. I haven't had 21 CB's total since I brought my site online in 1999!
                                                                                                    Try getting more than 1 phone sign up a week and then we will talk.
                                                                                                    No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
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