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Porno Dan 03-25-2008 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 13966970)
"Cocaine is not addicting ... I have friends that have been doing cocaine everyday for more than ten years and they're not addicted"

(Quote, Richard Pryor)


Now that is a great quote.

Jim_Gunn 03-25-2008 12:40 PM

I cannot believe that this is even being contemplated in a serious manner. Someone ask an interventionist at NA or other organization that has experience with this if a bunch of "bros" and business associates should be confronting the person in question at a porn convention. Close friends and family only need to do this only with the help of an experienced interventionist and also have a rehab to send him to immediately that day. Otherwise you people all have no business messing with this. It's just completely inappropriate and counter-productive.

SHANESWORLD 03-25-2008 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 13974894)
Knowing who this is it pains me to think about how far they have fallen from grace. Some of you may not agree with this, but this is probably the best chance this person has to be surrounded by so many people who care about them and that they respect enough to actually listen to.

It is a tough call and initially I thought this was a bad idea till I was able to reach Scott and find out who it was and how bad the problem has truely become.

When all is said and done I have a feeling that many of you who have disagreed will change your minds and understand a little better what we are trying to accomplish here.

i agree with you tender bones. at first i said "NO WAY" but now knowing who and the circumstances involved, i say go ahead. i still don't wanna be around when it happens but i'm happy that scott is doing this. he's a good guy. it's all for the best.

:2 cents:

Nikki_Licks 03-25-2008 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 13975004)
yo UPDATE

i saw a shitload of cops outside the hotel with a staging bus..... i saw like 3 dogs also ....

damn


You have to be kidding me, right?

candyflip 03-25-2008 01:01 PM

Without the proper people in place to handle the "intervention" it's just going to blow up in your face.

Posting here and announcing it seems a bit self serving, regardless of what your true intentions might be.

Just because you've seen the Intervention show on A&E doesn't give you the right to stage an intervention.

CherryLipsRosa 03-25-2008 01:14 PM

Well if you are a good and close friend and you think it is a good idea to do it then go for it. But at a show people are there to have fun and having an intervention might not be well received. This should be done privately and without a fuss cause at the end of the day it is caring for a person and showing them that they are loved.
Good luck!

evildick 03-25-2008 01:17 PM

Sounds like fake BS to me.

I don't think even Sleazy is stupid enough to hold an intervention at a PARTY.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2006/8/bullshit.jpg
:1orglaugh

Big Red Machine 03-25-2008 01:53 PM

People need a bottom to bounce from...hopefully this will help.
Best of Luck

RogerV 03-25-2008 02:24 PM

I have an idea on who it is.. Go for it LOL

polle54 03-25-2008 02:27 PM

I can tell you from bitter experience that if you pass just a little justment on them there's no way they will listen to you.

You really gotta meet the person where he is and find out why he thinks what he does is alright, and maybe that way you can make him realize how stupid his own arguments are...

uno 03-25-2008 03:33 PM

Sierra Tucson in Tucson AZ is a really good place.

CuriousToyBoy 03-25-2008 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 13966741)
I can tell someone who I think is a friend is doing way too many drugs.

they need help.

should I initiate an intervention in phoenix?

Ha !!!

Bad luck !

I won't be in Phoenix mate, so you'll be intervening yourself !

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

SHANESWORLD 03-25-2008 03:44 PM

I don't even like this guy, but no one should be left alone to implode from drugs and alcohol.

i hope they get him to a place to help him out of all this.

SleazyDream 03-25-2008 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 13975201)
I cannot believe that this is even being contemplated in a serious manner. Someone ask an interventionist at NA or other organization that has experience with this if a bunch of "bros" and business associates should be confronting the person in question at a porn convention. Close friends and family only need to do this only with the help of an experienced interventionist and also have a rehab to send him to immediately that day. Otherwise you people all have no business messing with this. It's just completely inappropriate and counter-productive.

this person's REAL family and close friends that care about this person are the people from they know from the porn business.

How is that sooo hard to understand?

SleazyDream 03-25-2008 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuriousToyBoy (Post 13976255)
Ha !!!

Bad luck !

I won't be in Phoenix mate, so you'll be intervening yourself !

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

lol - wish you were coming mate!!!!!

lesbodojo 03-25-2008 04:27 PM

This intervention should have been done a long time ago. He's an arrogant mooch, but maybe that was the drugs talking...and not who he really was.

btw thanks for the chat, Scott ;)

xxxjay 03-25-2008 04:39 PM

oh lord, sleazy told me who this was and the DO need help...if I'm saying that you know it is bad!

Porno Dan 03-25-2008 04:42 PM

Normally I wouldn't be behind something like this, given my own fondness for the smell of certain of substances, but in this case I am all for it.

I just spoke with Scott and this person really does need all of our help.

seeric 03-25-2008 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 13976630)
oh lord, sleazy told me who this was and the DO need help...if I'm saying that you know it is bad!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

seconded for effect. damn.

xxxjay in reference to janis joplin one night

"I watched the human heavyweight cocaine-snorting champion (we'll call her Janis Joplin) do more coke, faster than anyone I’ve ever seen! Someday, I hope she gets help. That’s quite a statement coming from me."

I haven't heard you say anything like that forever.

Jim_Gunn 03-25-2008 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 13976566)
this person's REAL family and close friends that care about this person are the people from they know from the porn business.

How is that sooo hard to understand?

Even if you mean to suggest that this person's blood relatives also work in the porn biz, with them or separately from them, organizing the intervention at a business convention is still the wrong time and wrong place to do this, not to mention that you shouldn't be giving them advance notice on a public website. Let the few people are who actually blood related to them or who are very closely involved in their lives on a day to day basis handle this intervention with aid of a responsible interventionist at a private residence or other location away from a gathering of their peers.

D 03-25-2008 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 13966912)
we won't let the media know who it is out of respect for ccbill.

no one will know what happened - it'll occur in a closed room and the person will be quietly removed when we go forward with it.

Seeing as how half of the thread already knows who it is, I doubt that'll be the case...

Not knowing who it is or what's up specifically, myself, I can only really offer that lots of people in the world have contributed significantly while being heavy drug users.

I often wonder what would have come of Hunter S. Thompson had those around him forced an intervention on him; or on Edgar Allen Poe; or on Samuel Taylor Coleridge...

I mean, this person's at least functional enough to maintain employmentand be able to make shows, right - and for some time now? That doesn't quite seem like rock-bottom.

...but it seems some people that I respect seem to know what's up and think it's a good idea, including yourself... so do what you feel is right, I guess.

chadknowslaw 03-25-2008 05:37 PM

I have been sober for over 9 years. I was one FUCKED UP alcoholic. I have been going to meetings ever since and seen many many many people come and go into the program. Most do not stay clean or sober. With 9 years sober, I am one of the lucky ones that made it this far.

It has been my experience that interventions do NOT work. An intervention means that the friends and family are ready for the addict to quit; it does not mean the _addict_ is ready to quit. Interventions usually result in hard feelings HOWEVER it does get the addict to start thinking about it. The intervention probably won't work, but it might speed up his realization that he has hit bottom.

You are not in a good spot. I think the best way to show an addict how much you care is to push them away from you. An intervention may not get the addict to agree to get into treatment but it gives the friends and family the opportunity to say "We love you but we just cannot be around you when you are using". That is what really needs to happen -- ALL means of support need to be removed so that the only choice left and that is to get clean and sober.

Barefootsies 03-25-2008 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadknowslaw (Post 13976841)
I have been sober for over 9 years. I was one FUCKED UP alcoholic. I have been going to meetings ever since and seen many many many people come and go into the program. Most do not stay clean or sober. With 9 years sober, I am one of the lucky ones that made it this far.

It has been my experience that interventions do NOT work. An intervention means that the friends and family are ready for the addict to quit; it does not mean the _addict_ is ready to quit. Interventions usually result in hard feelings HOWEVER it does get the addict to start thinking about it. The intervention probably won't work, but it might speed up his realization that he has hit bottom.

You are not in a good spot. I think the best way to show an addict how much you care is to push them away from you. An intervention may not get the addict to agree to get into treatment but it gives the friends and family the opportunity to say "We love you but we just cannot be around you when you are using". That is what really needs to happen -- ALL means of support need to be removed so that the only choice left and that is to get clean and sober.

True dat

Keep y'er pimp hand strong

Fap 03-25-2008 08:07 PM

hook me up

SleazyDream 03-25-2008 08:08 PM

some kind words of support here.

lets hope this goes well and the person sees the problem when everyone presents it in a calm and loving manor.

nico-t 03-25-2008 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 13975201)
I cannot believe that this is even being contemplated in a serious manner. Someone ask an interventionist at NA or other organization that has experience with this if a bunch of "bros" and business associates should be confronting the person in question at a porn convention. Close friends and family only need to do this only with the help of an experienced interventionist and also have a rehab to send him to immediately that day. Otherwise you people all have no business messing with this. It's just completely inappropriate and counter-productive.

exactly what i am thinking.... sleazy dont you have any real social skills besides the broventions? this is seriously the shittiest idea ever to get someone off dope... if you cant see that you have some serious problems

JFK 03-25-2008 08:23 PM

Fantastic Idea Sleazy, I'm all for it:thumbsup after reading all the posts I think I may have an inkling as to who it is ;)

SleazyDream 03-25-2008 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 13977626)
exactly what i am thinking.... sleazy dont you have any real social skills besides the broventions? this is seriously the shittiest idea ever to get someone off dope... if you cant see that you have some serious problems

bros take care of bros

Mayor 03-25-2008 08:30 PM

At first I really thought this was a terrible idea scott but having spoken with you at length and knowing this person PERSONALLY I think they will respond to this and I think it is the best thing for them. I only wish I could be there. Feel free to skype me when you guys do it so I can lend a hand.
Let me know if I should fly in. For this person I would.

evildick 03-25-2008 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 13977626)
exactly what i am thinking.... sleazy dont you have any real social skills besides the broventions? this is seriously the shittiest idea ever to get someone off dope... if you cant see that you have some serious problems

see post 127.

When people start to doubt your sham, break out the ICQ list and get your acquaintances to back up your story. This is called the "truth by numbers" troll. If enough people back up your story, then it just has to be real.

This is all clearly laid out in "Jet's Guide to Message Board Trolling, Volume 3".

BVF 03-25-2008 08:58 PM

Some of you people have really showed your asses in this thread......I just watched 'The Mist' today and if any of you have seen it, you're acting just like those jesus freaks in the grocery store.

For one....How the fuck is there going to be an 'intervention' when some of the people who will be there will ALREADY BE HIGH??? It's like a bro is going to do a rail in his hotel room and then try to tell somebody else to get off the coke?

For two, unless this person is a COMPLETE idiot, it isn't like he's actually going to walk into the convention and be surprised about the intervention....Even if he really is too stupid to figure it out, SOMEBODY is going to warn this person beforehand...I can almost guarantee it...

And for three, why in the FUCK is this thread even here when the intervention hasn't even been done yet?....And why does person after person feel the need to come in here and type the same paragraph of how they were against it until they talked and blah blah and now that they know who the person is, they really need it?

What's funny is that a lot of you are in this bubble and you actually believe that this bullshit that you're planning is going to go swell....All you're going to do is ruin everybody's vacation and further isolate this man or woman....

CuriousToyBoy 03-25-2008 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 13976583)
lol - wish you were coming mate!!!!!

Miss my friends, that I do.

Back on the circuit somewhat again one day ....

ATM, it's family 1, broventions 0

:winkwink::thumbsup:pimp:1orglaugh

Holly 03-25-2008 09:01 PM

Holy hell. Three pages and no name.

Somebody post it or I'm gonna start guessing.

Christina Muller 03-25-2008 09:04 PM

I dont usually get involved in threads like this but sleazy told me in confidence who this is and I totally agree, a real intervention is the best thing to do here ..hope all goes well :)

dav3 03-25-2008 10:23 PM

Page 4 was here.

pocketkangaroo 03-25-2008 11:03 PM

I still don't know if this thread is a joke or for real.

If it's for real, I'm really shocked. As someone who has had two friends deal with major drug issues, I've seen how hard it is to get them to stop. While the intentions may be good, the plan is absolutely absurd.

1) Having this at a convention is questionable at best. You want to take them out of their element and away from temptation for this. You are not going to be able to do that with booze, drugs, and hot women a few steps away. You also are going to have a tough time coming across serious with a guy you've been partying with during the week.

2) Posting it on a message board is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen. An intervention is supposed to be private and personal. It's not supposed to have some press release on a message board. It's not about "hitting people up on ICQ" to let them know. It's a small group of close friends who sit down and tell a person they need help. All this does is give advance notice to the person and/or embarass them in front of the people they have to do business with in the future. Publically humiliating and blackballing someone is not an ample way to get someone off drugs.

3) If you're raising $40,000, why would you not spend $500-$1000 to get a professional to do this?

I seriously hope this is a joke. If not, get a mod to delete this thread and do it the correct way.

baddog 03-25-2008 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lesbodojo (Post 13976588)
This intervention should have been done a long time ago. He's an arrogant mooch, but maybe that was the drugs talking...and not who he really was.

btw thanks for the chat, Scott ;)

For the first time I started making guesses to myself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 13976630)
oh lord, sleazy told me who this was and the DO need help...if I'm saying that you know it is bad!

Not bad, scary.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadknowslaw (Post 13976841)
I have been sober for over 9 years. I was one FUCKED UP alcoholic. I have been going to meetings ever since and seen many many many people come and go into the program. Most do not stay clean or sober. With 9 years sober, I am one of the lucky ones that made it this far.

It has been my experience that interventions do NOT work. An intervention means that the friends and family are ready for the addict to quit; it does not mean the _addict_ is ready to quit. Interventions usually result in hard feelings HOWEVER it does get the addict to start thinking about it. The intervention probably won't work, but it might speed up his realization that he has hit bottom.

You are not in a good spot. I think the best way to show an addict how much you care is to push them away from you. An intervention may not get the addict to agree to get into treatment but it gives the friends and family the opportunity to say "We love you but we just cannot be around you when you are using". That is what really needs to happen -- ALL means of support need to be removed so that the only choice left and that is to get clean and sober.

However, this is the only guy that I agree with. Trust me, xxxjay is a light-weight compared to what I have done and seen over the years. So I have been very close to a lot of addicts, and pushing them away is the only thing that works.

It is called 'tough love."

They will thank you later.

baddog 03-25-2008 11:16 PM

and yeah . . . I really hope this is a joke.

Porno Dan 03-25-2008 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 13976630)
oh lord, sleazy told me who this was and the DO need help...if I'm saying that you know it is bad!

Dude I am so with you .

God Bless Sleazy for trying to save their soul.

AmeliaG 03-25-2008 11:31 PM

I'm not a big fan of pushy stuff like interventions. Some people react just to the being pushed around and make the bad choice. Definitely, you should say something to your friend though.


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