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Shap · 02-14-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

So you taking the Lars defense, my competitors made me do it? Nice glad to see you learned something from GFY.

I don't think we are doing the same thing AFF was. You are entitled to your opinion.

I'm trying to control my content theft situation. I'm making very little from the Red Tube traffic. I'd be willing to donate 100% of our cut of the RedTube traffic towards a legal fund against stolen content. 2 months ago my entire videos were on RedTube. Now only 2 minute clips can be found. It's a small victory in our fight to control our content theft.

will76 · 02-14-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

So basically you posted in here to promote your viral discussion board or your pyramid scheme?

what and the fuck are you talking about. You have to be the most stupid fucking person in the world for a response like that. Not only am I not promoting anything but where in the fuck do you get pyramid scheme from? You not doing twistys any favors by making really fucking stupid comments in reply to my ON TARGET post about what you guys are doing and how YOU fucked up.

You are starting to sound like irish pimp or one of Lars' lackies who couldnt handle that their boss got called out for doing shady shit. You are making yourself look like a fucking moron like they did. If you want to reply why not try defending what the company you are working for did instead of making attacks against me and totally making up bullshit.

BradM · 02-14-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

He its 4 for me, but I didn't know i was dieing today. To loose any chance at doing business with me in the future is a loss, even if you or any one else doesnt think so. There is a very good chance I would have done business with them over the next year. We can bump this in the future and see who got my traffic and who didn't. I can tell you for sure, he wont be one of them.

With you people it's always "Oh, you lost my "potential" business"

Who gives a shit? I certainly don't. If I annoy you with a post or what not and you never sign up to my program - I could give a fucking shit. I have a lot of webmasters who aren't idiots, who send fantastic traffic and we pay out tons to them. Sure, I risk losing a guy who "May have potentially" sent sales.

Frankly any of us who own programs know how 5/100 webmasters are actually worth a crap. The odds of you actually signing up, placing links, and sending productive enough traffic to send sales is ... well 5% on average from what I have seen in a dozen programs over 5 years in this industry.

GFY no longer produces affiliates, everyone knows that. It is hardly good for branding anymore either. So in all honesty Shap could come here and say anything he wants and I would still push his sites because they kick ass.

I run a legal tube and I am 100% stringent. I use sponsor videos and their links are plastered all around the videos I use. I think that's just "ethical" and it's a win win for me and for my sponsors because they do well. Shap is looking out for his business. He has rules in place that protect him and the tube. It's not his responsibility to force this tube to police OTHER content.

1) I agree stolen content sucks and hurts us
2) But as a business owner I can tell you I would use (ALMOST) any avenue to get business. If redtube approached me, I would consider heavily doing business with them so long as I was not stepping on any toes... just as Shap is doing here.

Tubes have traffic. They are taking over. I see the double edge in doing business with them... but hey they either put your links on your vids, or just fucking steal them. So it's hard.

Anyway, I think it's getting stupid in this thread. 100 idiots with no traffic trying to tell a multi millionaire that he is running his business poorly. Fucking funny.

Shap · 02-14-2008, 11:21 AM

Btw anybody who learned anything from the Lars situation knows he really got screwed. He screwed himself completely. What was that check for again? $500,000,000? What a douche bag.

GFY is a great place to learn things isn't it?

LadyMischief · 02-14-2008, 11:22 AM

Great post Shap. People in the adult space are almost oblivious of the ways that surfers are using the tools provided to them anymore, and it's refreshing to see someone realize that WE cannot shape THEM, WE must adapt to how THEY do things in order to survive.

BradM · 02-14-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Btw anybody who learned anything from the Lars situation knows he really got screwed. He screwed himself completely. What was that check for again? $500,000,000? What a douche bag.

GFY is a great place to learn things isn't it?

"Anyway, I think it's getting stupid in this thread. 100 idiots with no traffic trying to tell a multi millionaire that he is running his business poorly. Fucking funny."
- BradM, 2008, about 1 minute ago.

notoldschool · 02-14-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I don't think we are doing the same thing AFF was. You are entitled to your opinion.

I'm trying to control my content theft situation. I'm making very little from the Red Tube traffic. I'd be willing to donate 100% of our cut of the RedTube traffic towards a legal fund against stolen content. 2 months ago my entire videos were on RedTube. Now only 2 minute clips can be found. It's a small victory in our fight to control our content theft.

Dude you should have though twice about posting this thread and even harder about posting in it. You sound like a bigger asshole everytime you touch the keyboard.

notoldschool · 02-14-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

"Anyway, I think it's getting stupid in this thread. 100 idiots with no traffic trying to tell a multi millionaire that he is running his business poorly. Fucking funny."
- BradM, 2008, about 1 minute ago.

Stop sucking his balls lamo. You dont know shit about who is posting or not. You need any mints to kill the taste of Shaps balls on your breath or what.

BradM · 02-14-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

Dude you should have though twice about posting this thread and even harder about posting in it. You sound like a bigger asshole everytime you touch the keyboard.

Coming from you that's gold.

What other great advice do you have? Please tell us, oh fake nick.

Please... please. Give me some advice, along the same level you are giving to Shap. It's just so inspirational and I need some of the same.

will76 · 02-14-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I can't answer that question. It worries me day in and day out. I've accepted that profit margins will be decreasing. I can't let that stop me from running my business. That's why I'm spending large amounts of money back into our site so we can provide something to our members that isn't going to be available outside our members area.

did you mean " ruining" your business and reputation and not "running "

So you cant run your business if you dont do business with a handfull of shady tube sites. You could still do business with the 100s of legal tube sites but if you cant do business with RedTube then you " can't let that stop me from runniing my business". You must really really want their traffic because your bending over backwards to try to justify what you are doing. Last time I heard elaberate justifications like this it was " sex search made me do it" " we do it to protect our affiliates" " it is just adware colusions" " google does it" oh wait I think you use the google one too

BradM · 02-14-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

Stop sucking his balls lamo. You dont know shit about who is posting or not. You need any mints to kill the taste of Shaps balls on your breath or what.

If you can't come to the argument armed with common sense, or even a POINT, don't do it kid. You're really no authority on anything and frankly it's comical seeing you try to demean ANYONE because you're a pathetic joke.

will76 · 02-14-2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

PS tony404 is a fat idiot with no business sense who makes $0 in adult. moving on...

You are really making yourself look like an idoit. Whether you like Tony or not, he not only does well with his adult business but they are one of the best in their niche. He is also one of the few really good hearted and honest people that I have ever spoke to. It really makes you look like a moron for making that comment. I know you have to know what you said it not true.

teksonline · 02-14-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I don't think we are doing the same thing AFF was. You are entitled to your opinion.

I'm trying to control my content theft situation. I'm making very little from the Red Tube traffic. I'd be willing to donate 100% of our cut of the RedTube traffic towards a legal fund against stolen content. 2 months ago my entire videos were on RedTube. Now only 2 minute clips can be found. It's a small victory in our fight to control our content theft.

^-------------
WHY TUBE SITES EVEN EXIST

so basically i dont think its the money or principal,
the fact is you don't want the attention a law suit would bring publically

so please do tell what will this fund bring, a suit in anonymous form? is that what you are looking for?

mpahlca · 02-14-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

what and the fuck are you talking about. You have to be the most stupid fucking person in the world for a response like that. Not only am I not promoting anything but where in the fuck do you get pyramid scheme from? You not doing twistys any favors by making really fucking stupid comments in reply to my ON TARGET post about what you guys are doing and how YOU fucked up.

You are starting to sound like irish pimp or one of Lars' lackies who couldnt handle that their boss got called out for doing shady shit. You are making yourself look like a fucking moron like they did. If you want to reply why not try defending what the company you are working for did instead of making attacks against me and totally making up bullshit.

Seriously, I was talking about your business model, beyond that I am not talking about shit, your post wasn't "ON TARGET" as you so quaintly put it, it was designed to make you look like you have some moral high ground and that is what you have build upon to get you more sub-affiliates, this is how you chose to operate.

As for looking like a moron from someone like you really doesn't make me want to change my tact or message. If you consider me an idiot that is all the more power to you, and maybe you can get a few more sub-affiliates signed up under you who don't like me. Then the post you made will be worth the effort.

teksonline · 02-14-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I don't think we are doing the same thing AFF was. You are entitled to your opinion.

I'm trying to control my content theft situation. I'm making very little from the Red Tube traffic. I'd be willing to donate 100% of our cut of the RedTube traffic towards a legal fund against stolen content. 2 months ago my entire videos were on RedTube. Now only 2 minute clips can be found. It's a small victory in our fight to control our content theft.

^-------------
WHY TUBE SITES EVEN EXIST

so basically i dont think its the money or principal,
the fact is you don't want the attention a law suit would bring publically

so please do tell what will this fund bring, a suit in anonymous form? is that what you are looking for?

Gerco · 02-14-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

How many of you:
1) Promoted Twistys before this thread
2) Will stop promoting Twistys now that you read it
3) Will continue to promote, despite this thread

Here's the spinner though:

4) Have even sent them a single sale

If #4 is answered with a "no" just stop typing.

How many of us are content owners, who just got a nice slap in the face from Shap... continue typing now...

So, BradM you can go fuck yourself.

Kram · 02-14-2008, 11:36 AM

Thats me finished with twistys ...

BradM · 02-14-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerco

How many of us are content owners, who just got a nice slap in the face from Shap... continue typing now...

So, BradM you can go fuck yourself.

I leave that for my wife.
Add 0 to the level of shit I give.

mpahlca · 02-14-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

did you mean " ruining" your business and reputation and not "running "

So you cant run your business if you dont do business with a handfull of shady tube sites. You could still do business with the 100s of legal tube sites but if you cant do business with RedTube then you " can't let that stop me from runniing my business". You must really really want their traffic because your bending over backwards to try to justify what you are doing. Last time I heard elaberate justifications like this it was " sex search made me do it" " we do it to protect our affiliates" " it is just adware colusions" " google does it" oh wait I think you use the google one too

So how did ClickCash do for you? wasn't that your only source of income for a long time? hmmm so you are calling out other businesses that you disagree with and the people that work with them, yet you made money from a company that reportedly illegally charged credit cards on thousands of consumers on a regular basis????

ClickCash Fraud Complaints

On a side note what i would like to know is how to you qualify a legal tube site or an illegal tube site?

BradM · 02-14-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

You are really making yourself look like an idoit. Whether you like Tony or not, he not only does well with his adult business but they are one of the best in their niche. He is also one of the few really good hearted and honest people that I have ever spoke to. It really makes you look like a moron for making that comment. I know you have to know what you said it not true.

tony consistantly makes idiotic posts about politics among other things. I personally dislike him based on things he has said over the years.

Will: I appreciate your work on piracy and content theft, and awareness of zango etc... but shut the fuck up. If I don't like someone, I have that right. I don't care what you say or think about it, so stop being the middle man in EVERY SINGLE SITUATION ON THIS ENTIRE FORUM. he could be ghandi. if I don't like him... who cares?

Socks · 02-14-2008, 11:55 AM

I'm so sick of hearing like you all help each other. Everyone is in this game for themselves, and I can count on ONE FUCKING HAND in my 7+ years of being an honest webmaster the people who have contributed because I'm a "nice guy" or something..

It's fucking business people! A bunch of people making BUSINESS DEALS that help THEMSELVES. Wake up!

If you're seriously surfing around GFY for the nice-guys to do business with, you're a bit of a wacko. In fact I'd be willing to bet you don't even do it, you just SAY you do it when you write here, to make yourself feel good.

Twistys is a great site, where else can I send 6,000 clicks and make 114 sales? And yes it's true.

5,817 114 $1,961.71

As for Twistys "supporting" redtube, is it really their responsibility to police what else is on Redtube? Do they police your site? Have any of your sponsors BEEN to your sites??

They took the effort to converse with the Redtube staff, and came to an amicable solution. The rest of the sponsors out there should do the same, because at least this top tube site will have that conversation and make something come from nothing.

Is it amazing that sites like this exist? No.. But if Redtube disappeared tomorrow, the problem would still exist.. So is Redtube the problem?

seeric · 02-14-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Socks

I'm so sick of hearing like you all help each other. Everyone is in this game for themselves, and I can count on ONE FUCKING HAND in my 7+ years of being an honest webmaster the people who have contributed because I'm a "nice guy" or something..

It's fucking business people! A bunch of people making BUSINESS DEALS that help THEMSELVES. Wake up!

If you're seriously surfing around GFY for the nice-guys to do business with, you're a bit of a wacko. In fact I'd be willing to bet you don't even do it, you just SAY you do it when you write here, to make yourself feel good.

Twistys is a great site, where else can I send 6,000 clicks and make 114 sales? And yes it's true.

5,817 114 $1,961.71

As for Twistys "supporting" redtube, is it really their responsibility to police what else is on Redtube? Do they police your site? Have any of your sponsors BEEN to your sites??

They took the effort to converse with the Redtube staff, and came to an amicable solution. The rest of the sponsors out there should do the same, because at least this top tube site will have that conversation and make something come from nothing.

Is it amazing that sites like this exist? No.. But if Redtube disappeared tomorrow, the problem would still exist.. So is Redtube the problem?

bingo.

shap is doing what is right for his business. can't fault him for that.

oc cash is doing whats right for theirs in the red tube situation.

everyone will make their own collective decisions to fit their needs.

i certainly don't expect shap to police our content on a site with stolen materials.

will76 · 02-14-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I don't think we are doing the same thing AFF was. You are entitled to your opinion.

I'm trying to control my content theft situation. I'm making very little from the Red Tube traffic. I'd be willing to donate 100% of our cut of the RedTube traffic towards a legal fund against stolen content. 2 months ago my entire videos were on RedTube. Now only 2 minute clips can be found. It's a small victory in our fight to control our content theft.

so you saying they blackmailed you into using them ? So your approach to this is to do business with them instead of fighting them? You make very little money from them and you are willing to donate it? I don't think the little money will go far if it is as little as you say. Why not just tell them to fuck off and do business with legal tube sites?

Also are you going donate all of the money you make from your prechecked cross sales you are making from Brazzers. No big surprise that Brazzers is all over sites like redtube, megarotic, youporn, supporting all the ILLEGAL Tubes and you do business with Brazzers and now you announce you are doing business with Redtube.

LadyMischief · 02-14-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks

I'm so sick of hearing like you all help each other. Everyone is in this game for themselves, and I can count on ONE FUCKING HAND in my 7+ years of being an honest webmaster the people who have contributed because I'm a "nice guy" or something..

It's fucking business people! A bunch of people making BUSINESS DEALS that help THEMSELVES. Wake up!

If you're seriously surfing around GFY for the nice-guys to do business with, you're a bit of a wacko. In fact I'd be willing to bet you don't even do it, you just SAY you do it when you write here, to make yourself feel good.

Twistys is a great site, where else can I send 6,000 clicks and make 114 sales? And yes it's true.

5,817 114 $1,961.71

As for Twistys "supporting" redtube, is it really their responsibility to police what else is on Redtube? Do they police your site? Have any of your sponsors BEEN to your sites??

They took the effort to converse with the Redtube staff, and came to an amicable solution. The rest of the sponsors out there should do the same, because at least this top tube site will have that conversation and make something come from nothing.

Is it amazing that sites like this exist? No.. But if Redtube disappeared tomorrow, the problem would still exist.. So is Redtube the problem?

This is totally true, and makes perfect sense. You're talking to a crowd of people who think surfers still love TGP, and cling tenaciously to thoughts of the past. They have NO idea of the technographics of internet users today... They don't even know what tools they use. It's kind of like trying to convince a brick wall to get up and move a few feet to make room for a new road.

mpahlca · 02-14-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

so you saying they blackmailed you into using them ? So your approach to this is to do business with them instead of fighting them? You make very little money from them and you are willing to donate it? I don't think the little money will go far if it is as little as you say. Why not just tell them to fuck off and do business with legal tube sites?

Also are you going donate all of the money you make from your prechecked cross sales you are making from Brazzers. No big surprise that Brazzers is all over sites like redtube, megarotic, youporn, supporting all the ILLEGAL Tubes and you do business with Brazzers and now you announce you are doing business with Redtube.

So once again how is Click Cash doing for you? and as a supporter of fraud are you following that business model with referalmatrix?? Is your association with them make you a bad person for the loss of money by their customers? You tell me.

Shap · 02-14-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

so you saying they blackmailed you into using them ? So your approach to this is to do business with them instead of fighting them? You make very little money from them and you are willing to donate it? I don't think the little money will go far if it is as little as you say. Why not just tell them to fuck off and do business with legal tube sites?

Also are you going donate all of the money you make from your prechecked cross sales you are making from Brazzers. No big surprise that Brazzers is all over sites like redtube, megarotic, youporn, supporting all the ILLEGAL Tubes and you do business with Brazzers and now you announce you are doing business with Redtube.

Nope that money goes 100% back to our members. We reinvest it all in content and site development.

There are sponsors that do things far worse than Brazzers. They just happen to be open about it. If you guys think Brazzers is the worst company in our industry you are seriously mistaken. Ifriends does more harm to our industry than Brazzers. Did you read the ripoff report? Crazy eh?

WarChild · 02-14-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Good point, Im just stupid. Do you feel better?

I never said you were stupid. Uneducated and stupid are not the same thing.

will76 · 02-14-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

With you people it's always "Oh, you lost my "potential" business"

Who gives a shit? I certainly don't. If I annoy you with a post or what not and you never sign up to my program - I could give a fucking shit. I have a lot of webmasters who aren't idiots, who send fantastic traffic and we pay out tons to them. Sure, I risk losing a guy who "May have potentially" sent sales.

Frankly any of us who own programs know how 5/100 webmasters are actually worth a crap. The odds of you actually signing up, placing links, and sending productive enough traffic to send sales is ... well 5% on average from what I have seen in a dozen programs over 5 years in this industry.

GFY no longer produces affiliates, everyone knows that. It is hardly good for branding anymore either. So in all honesty Shap could come here and say anything he wants and I would still push his sites because they kick ass.

I run a legal tube and I am 100% stringent. I use sponsor videos and their links are plastered all around the videos I use. I think that's just "ethical" and it's a win win for me and for my sponsors because they do well. Shap is looking out for his business. He has rules in place that protect him and the tube. It's not his responsibility to force this tube to police OTHER content.

1) I agree stolen content sucks and hurts us
2) But as a business owner I can tell you I would use (ALMOST) any avenue to get business. If redtube approached me, I would consider heavily doing business with them so long as I was not stepping on any toes... just as Shap is doing here.

Tubes have traffic. They are taking over. I see the double edge in doing business with them... but hey they either put your links on your vids, or just fucking steal them. So it's hard.

Anyway, I think it's getting stupid in this thread. 100 idiots with no traffic trying to tell a multi millionaire that he is running his business poorly. Fucking funny.

You must have read " how to make myself look like an idiot by defending my friends" written by Sleazydream.

You make it sound like people wont do business with him or you because they don't like what you are saying. Its not like he is insulting me and that is why I wont do business with him, it is because he choose to do business with people who are big content theives. HUGE difference. I would still do business with you even though you are posting really stupid shit in this thread. Do you understand the difference.

If GFY doesn't produce affiliates then why do you still post here, why do you still have a link in your sig?????

100 idiots with no traffic telling a multimillionaire how to run his business? LMAO. I probably make more many than shap. but to you, I am just one of those idiots with no traffic that probably would have never sent any to him posting on GFY which doesn't produce affiliates any more... correct ?

don't forget to remove the link in your sig, no point in having it there if there are no potential affiliates to gain from GFY.

TampaToker · 02-14-2008, 12:11 PM

The higher the monkey climbs, the more he shows his tail. - John Wycliffe

pussyluver · 02-14-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

"Anyway, I think it's getting stupid in this thread. 100 idiots with no traffic trying to tell a multi millionaire that he is running his business poorly. Fucking funny."
- BradM, 2008, about 1 minute ago.

As one of those worthless idiots, I'd say this post called it. Of course I'm not telling any program what to do. Better to study what is done right and figure out how to do it better with little investment or benefit from it.

seeric · 02-14-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

ok, now this makes me cry.

will76 · 02-14-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Btw anybody who learned anything from the Lars situation knows he really got screwed. He screwed himself completely. What was that check for again? $500,000,000? What a douche bag.

GFY is a great place to learn things isn't it?

you already went off the deep end. Keep trying to justify it. its funny watching the examples you give of why you think you are doing the right thing. well if lars made 50000000000000000000000000000000 then it must be ok to do it.

you just bought the ticket and cashed it, you just went to the dark side.

Wolfy · 02-14-2008, 12:14 PM

*/ yawn.

Shap · 02-14-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

I probably make more many than shap.

When did this thread become a who has the biggest cock? I totally missed that. I have to remove myself from that contest. You win hands down on that one

will76 · 02-14-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

Great post Shap. People in the adult space are almost oblivious of the ways that surfers are using the tools provided to them anymore, and it's refreshing to see someone realize that WE cannot shape THEM, WE must adapt to how THEY do things in order to survive.

Wow I thought you guys would be the last to agree that doing business with sites that steal content is "adapting". I'll just chalk it up to you didn't understand what you were reading.

If I am wrong then please tell me that Homegrown will start doing with Twistys is doing which is doing business with illegal tube sites that steal content.

BradM · 02-14-2008, 12:19 PM

Will: Hahaha. Okay BRO. Whatever you say.

will76 · 02-14-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

Seriously, I was talking about your business model, beyond that I am not talking about shit, your post wasn't "ON TARGET" as you so quaintly put it, it was designed to make you look like you have some moral high ground and that is what you have build upon to get you more sub-affiliates, this is how you chose to operate.

As for looking like a moron from someone like you really doesn't make me want to change my tact or message. If you consider me an idiot that is all the more power to you, and maybe you can get a few more sub-affiliates signed up under you who don't like me. Then the post you made will be worth the effort.

none of the things listed in my sig gets " affiliates" you fucking retard. Ill make it even more simple as i could give a fuck about my sig in the first place.. what sig ?

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

So basically you posted in here to promote your viral discussion board or your pyramid scheme?

Asshole, explain to me and everyone else how i am running a pyramid scheme, which I might add are illegal.

You made the comment fuck face, now prove it.

xxxRumor · 02-14-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

- We do NOT accept traffic from any links that have stolen content on them.

good one

FACT: Redtube is full of stolen content, with 30min full length videos.
FACT: Your 2-3 minute clips are displayed side by side with stolen content.

Conclusion your affiliate redtube does advertise your clips on pages with stolen content.

xxxice · 02-14-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

Great post Shap. People in the adult space are almost oblivious of the ways that surfers are using the tools provided to them anymore, and it's refreshing to see someone realize that WE cannot shape THEM, WE must adapt to how THEY do things in order to survive.

I am so tired of hearing the adapt argument. Illegal is Illegal no matter what way you cut it. So according to you people should go ahead and make deals with sites that are using Illegal content to adapt. Very sad that we have people in this industry ready to do anything for an extra buck even if it is hurting everyone else. Why don't people come right out and say yeah we are profiting from Illegal content. I am also tired of people somehow trying to glamorize the real truth that I just stated. The smart people on this board have alluded to a time when lines will be drawn. It has only just begun. I for one am on the side of people that do legal business enjoy

GatorB · 02-14-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Makaveli

I don't understand whats so hard about protecting your content? Why not use DRM?

That's worked wonders in the music industry hasn't it? So much so EVERY label is abandoning it.

TampaToker · 02-14-2008, 12:25 PM

lol out of curiosity why was this even posted here?

xxxice · 02-14-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

lol out of curiosity why was this even posted here?

I for one am glad it was; it's almost like proof. Lets hope that Brazzers does the same so when these illegal tube sites get lawsuits against them maybe the people that fund them will take some of the responsibility as well.

will76 · 02-14-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

So how did ClickCash do for you? wasn't that your only source of income for a long time? hmmm so you are calling out other businesses that you disagree with and the people that work with them, yet you made money from a company that reportedly illegally charged credit cards on thousands of consumers on a regular basis????

ClickCash Fraud Complaints

On a side note what i would like to know is how to you qualify a legal tube site or an illegal tube site?

jesus christ. if you do a search for irish pimps post you can just copy and paste them and save yourself the time.

btw, clickcash is still one of my major sources of income. They are also one of the biggest sites on the net, omg, they have some members who have complained about them. I personally have sent them over 80K signups over the years, they have had millions of people signup to their site and some of them were not happy. unblievable

Show me where clickcash is involved with spy ware or is doing business with illegal tube sites.

What is the difference between illegal and legal tube sites, if you too stupid to know figure it out for yourself.

kepp digging shit head, you just keep making yourself look more and more like and idiot. Just like you thinking i am only posting in this thread for sig views...

Nothing like going off the deep end trying to protect your boss. Seriously, you should go back and just copy and paste all the attacks I got from AFF, it would save you a lot of time instead of trying to come up with your own material.

ronaldo · 02-14-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

bingo.

shap is doing what is right for his business. can't fault him for that.

oc cash is doing whats right for theirs in the red tube situation.

everyone will make their own collective decisions to fit their needs.

i certainly don't expect shap to police our content on a site with stolen materials.

I'm usually pretty good at reading between the lines...something you have to do with many of your posts. No offense Airek. Actually, take it as a compliment.

But I must say you've thrown me a little in this thread UNLESS, you've pretty much just given up the fight??

onno · 02-14-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

so do you have the rights to use that image? if not... you stealing content too

xxxice · 02-14-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo

I'm usually pretty good at reading between the lines...something you have to do with many of your posts. No offense Airek. Actually, take it as a compliment.

But I must say you've thrown me a little in this thread UNLESS, you've pretty much just given up the fight??

I have to say that I can't understand his posts sometimes either as there is much to be speculated. I also have to say that I have admired him standing up to the immoral practices in the biz. I hope he has not given up the fight.

AlmightyZeus · 02-14-2008, 12:33 PM

Some of you are acting like complete clowns. As an affiliate I'm extremely happy that the Twistys crew took the necessary steps to ensure redtube follow a strict set of guidelines.
My only wish is that more paysites follow suit. Grouping together and setting rules is a win/win situation in the long run.

I'm happy that surfers won't be able to download full length twistys videos on redtube anymore. It's the most important thing for affiliates, the playing fields have been levelled.

will76 · 02-14-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

tony consistantly makes idiotic posts about politics among other things. I personally dislike him based on things he has said over the years.

Will: I appreciate your work on piracy and content theft, and awareness of zango etc... but shut the fuck up. If I don't like someone, I have that right. I don't care what you say or think about it, so stop being the middle man in EVERY SINGLE SITUATION ON THIS ENTIRE FORUM. he could be ghandi. if I don't like him... who cares?

YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON.

So because you dont like his posts about politics and "other things" you make a post about him calling him fat and saying, has no business sense, and he makes $0 money in adult.

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Originally Posted by BradM

PS tony404 is a fat idiot with no business sense who makes $0 in adult. moving on...

That right there just showed your class, or lack of, your business attitude and why GFY is the shit hole you think it is, because of people like you.

You say you appreciate what i have done, blah blah blah, good thing you didn't disagree with my political posts or you would think i am an idiot with no traffic and no business sense.

BradM · 02-14-2008, 12:39 PM

Will the crusader. Never stops talking. I can see why people really get sick of reading your shit. It's like a wind up toy. Every time someone posts it winds you up and you just go and go and go.

Gawd man, lay off for 10 minutes.

mpahlca · 02-14-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

none of the things listed in my sig gets " affiliates" you fucking retard. Ill make it even more simple as i could give a fuck about my sig in the first place.. what sig ?

Asshole, explain to me and everyone else how i am running a pyramid scheme, which I might add are illegal.

You made the comment fuck face, now prove it.

First Pyramid scheme Is a reference to a series of investments that lead to no results, whether that be time or money. In your case i am using the reference to the poor saps who invest time that is stolen from them.

OK here is how it goes http://teamclickcash.com/ is your site, you get unsuspecting and uninformed people to promote these sites and programs that directly are reportedly responsible for ripping off their consumers, (again check ripoffreports.com) then you make money by their time and investment directly from your "lead"

Now to expand on this you come to GFY create a persona of benevolence and use that to attract new webmasters but to not limit yourself to just clickcash and to distance yourself from them, you go with ALL sponsors that offer a webmaster referral %.

This is how you operate you pray on people like some guru promising riches, yet in reality you are nothing more than a level above them on a chain of %'s.

And btw I have never liked your sig better than I do right now.

02-14-2008, 11:22 AM	#155
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	Great post Shap. People in the adult space are almost oblivious of the ways that surfers are using the tools provided to them anymore, and it's refreshing to see someone realize that WE cannot shape THEM, WE must adapt to how THEY do things in order to survive. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

02-14-2008, 12:11 PM	#179
TampaToker Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa Posts: 5,827	The higher the monkey climbs, the more he shows his tail. - John Wycliffe __________________ Icq 247-742-205

02-14-2008, 12:25 PM	#191
TampaToker Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa Posts: 5,827	lol out of curiosity why was this even posted here? __________________ Icq 247-742-205

02-14-2008, 11:21 AM	#154
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Btw anybody who learned anything from the Lars situation knows he really got screwed. He screwed himself completely. What was that check for again? $500,000,000? What a douche bag. GFY is a great place to learn things isn't it?

02-14-2008, 11:36 AM	#167
Kram Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 666	Thats me finished with twistys ...

02-14-2008, 11:55 AM	#171
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	I'm so sick of hearing like you all help each other. Everyone is in this game for themselves, and I can count on ONE FUCKING HAND in my 7+ years of being an honest webmaster the people who have contributed because I'm a "nice guy" or something.. It's fucking business people! A bunch of people making BUSINESS DEALS that help THEMSELVES. Wake up! If you're seriously surfing around GFY for the nice-guys to do business with, you're a bit of a wacko. In fact I'd be willing to bet you don't even do it, you just SAY you do it when you write here, to make yourself feel good. Twistys is a great site, where else can I send 6,000 clicks and make 114 sales? And yes it's true. 5,817 114 $1,961.71 As for Twistys "supporting" redtube, is it really their responsibility to police what else is on Redtube? Do they police your site? Have any of your sponsors BEEN to your sites?? They took the effort to converse with the Redtube staff, and came to an amicable solution. The rest of the sponsors out there should do the same, because at least this top tube site will have that conversation and make something come from nothing. Is it amazing that sites like this exist? No.. But if Redtube disappeared tomorrow, the problem would still exist.. So is Redtube the problem?

02-14-2008, 12:14 PM	#183
Wolfy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,574	*/ yawn.

02-14-2008, 12:19 PM	#186
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Will: Hahaha. Okay BRO. Whatever you say.

02-14-2008, 12:33 PM	#197
AlmightyZeus Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Mount Olympus Posts: 59	Some of you are acting like complete clowns. As an affiliate I'm extremely happy that the Twistys crew took the necessary steps to ensure redtube follow a strict set of guidelines. My only wish is that more paysites follow suit. Grouping together and setting rules is a win/win situation in the long run. I'm happy that surfers won't be able to download full length twistys videos on redtube anymore. It's the most important thing for affiliates, the playing fields have been levelled.

02-14-2008, 12:39 PM	#199
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Will the crusader. Never stops talking. I can see why people really get sick of reading your shit. It's like a wind up toy. Every time someone posts it winds you up and you just go and go and go. Gawd man, lay off for 10 minutes.