notoldschool

Fact: Redtube is one of those tube sites that offer stolen content.
Fact: You know they offer stolen content.
Fact: You pay Redtubes bills
Fact: That makes you accessory to theft with knowledge.

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mpahlca

No better than a company that just sold 500 million?? SHIT that means we must really blow, btw side note as to our earlier discussion how is Ron Paul doing in the primaries?

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Shap

I can't answer that question. It worries me day in and day out. I've accepted that profit margins will be decreasing. I can't let that stop me from running my business. That's why I'm spending large amounts of money back into our site so we can provide something to our members that isn't going to be available outside our members area.

Gerco

You support content thief. Simple as that. Here is a big FUCK YOU. Using others peoples ripped off content to bring people in to see and get to your content... fuck you. Thanks for helping the thief survive and continue... btw... did I say FUCK YOU yet?

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WarChild

I actually meant uneducated in general.

You constantly beat up on every tube site, without exception, even though you really have no clue about what's going on with most of them. You'll argue until you're blue in the face with people that just smile and grin back at you. Do you want to know why we smile and grin back at you? Because some of us know what's up with this new business model, and we're making bank hand over fist on it.

If I had to put blind faith in someone in this business based soley on their accomplishments, let me tell you it wouldn't be a hard choice between your or Shap. Not for me. Not for anyone.

Now granted that Redtube is probably or at very least WAS one of the bad guys, so you might have a point this one time, for a change. I'm guessing it's more or less by accident though because as I've said you don't know really know shit about tube sites, you just enjoy talking about them.

The fact that your native language is English, you're an adult and you still don't know the difference between simple words like "then" and "than" or "your" and "you're" is another good example.

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BradM

Shap: Congratulations... you get it. The business model is changing and you are adapting.

I would stop posting in this thread personally - because I would be absolutely stunned beyond words if this caused you to lose even 1 hit a day.

If this a public tube policy, I have a fully legal tube. If you host .flv I would be very interested in sending to you also.

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Zorgman

What gets me in this deal is that Redtube is still stealing on 1 page and playing by the rules on the other page. So basicly Twistys is allowing Redtube to steal and fuck other sponsors.

If I had a tube site and hotlinked all hosted gallery movies from 10 sponsors but send my traffic to AFF, do you think those sponsors would keep my affiliate account open? The answer is NO!

Before I launched TEVS (tube script) I talked to about 50 sponsors, mostly the big players. Pimproll, ars, perfectgonzo etc.
All said to me, if your webmasters use our videos and hotlink them we expect our adverts on those pages. I knew then what I was doing was the right thing. Iv created a script that promotes the sponsors under their rules but also keeps to the rules of every other sponsor.

Redtube might be keeping to your rules Twistys, but its fucking other sponsors in the ass. I just hope that the next gathering you go to, you don't get punched out like the xtube guy got in Vegas.

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CCdoug

IF legitimate webmasters develop and launch new tube sites that follow the rules from the beginning we are all for and would approve in a minute. Unfortunately not many surfers are going to frequently visit a tube site that offers only 3-5 minute clips when they can get the whole deal from a non legit tube site. Our stance is and will remain "We will not approve existing tube sites that are not following the rules and are knowingly using illegal content that they do not have the rights to publish." Come on guys this is 2008 and everyone that does business on the Internet knows if they are using STOLEN content. Public domain is no longer an excuse for ANYONE.

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WarChild

Umm didn't the guy that hit the xtube kid have nothing to do with Adult? Did I read that wrong somewhere?

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notoldschool

oohhh that hurts, please dont say bad things about Ron Paul. I might ball up and cry somewhere. LOL your a fucking tool.

how about getting rid of that blasphemous sig.....

"The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country."

It makes much less sense than my ron paul sig. trying to push porn in the name of Christ? fucking dumbass.

BTW im sure im not the only one who noticed that you couldnt deny what my post said about supporting theifs.

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Damian_Maxcash

Put together 2 lists one with the people in this thread that see what Shap is doing and one with a list of the people that cant see it.....

What do you notice about the 2 lists?

tony286

your right I dont make a dime.

notoldschool

Dude, stop sucking on twistys dick. Its not going to make your shitty little program any better. Go find a beginner webmaster board and learn something about the biz.

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mpahlca

OMG wow that is awesome you have officially become my prime example of why surfers shouldn't post on GFY, do you understand the irony in that quote? No???

And I can deny that we are supporting theives I do right here, any problem with my denying it?

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notoldschool

Its easy to piss you off isnt it.

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tony286

Good point, Im just stupid. Do you feel better?

teksonline

Always wondered, Is this based on business sense or morals?
Seems to be business > morals... Then you complain why the world is so fucked up.. you dont get to choose...

You're like the whiney fucking anti-war lamers... You don't want soldiers dieing for no reason than its not fair to them? But then agian you dont want the buildings around you crumbling to the ground...

You are the very same people who run to the store when ants infest your house and buy that can of raid are you not?

seeric

regardless of anyone's position on anything anymore, someone always gets fucked in evolution. always. it is going to happen. nothing anyone can do about it. you cannot have progress without someone getting the shaft.

WarChild

Wow, you're spouting off again? You'd imagine that just one time you'd do your research first.

I don't know Shap and I don't send him any sales either. I also don't havea program, shitty little or otherwise.

Beginner webmaster board? I've only been in adult going on I guess 8+ years now. I am now or once was one of the top webmasters for many a large program. Maybe you've heard of some of them? Topbucks, Nasty Dollars, Adult.com, TripleX Cash. You still haven't told us what it is you do.

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mpahlca

So you own and operate a business in adult and are not just a surfer? Great! maybe we can do business some day, but i think you miss read, I did deny it.

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notoldschool

Oh, I was mistaken by the no ref code...so that means your just a bought sig whore. I thought you allready knew that I was a surfer with nothing better to do than banter with the likes of you.

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chompers

Damn Twistys owns SexTube? Sweet domain.

justinsain

Here's the thing. People will always want porn.

Before the internet they had to PAY for it through magazines, tapes, move theaters etc. Then the internet
came along and they still would have paid for it if they weren't able to get it for FREE.

Between the people that steal content and give it away and the legitimate business that promote with waaaaay to much free content
the internet has become a haven for free porn. The adult industry could have had the surfer by the balls ( pun intended ) but the way the internet operates now they've lost their grip.

Content producers and owners get hit the hardest and seem to be fighting a losing battle. How can you battle a world wide problem when every country has their own set of rules or laws to go by with few if anyone to enforce them? If you try and try and give it your best shot to solve the problem and you are not successful you have the choice of giving up or finding a different method of attack.

I understand what you're saying here but don't you think Twistys hasn't been in the same position and probably on a much greater scale. It looks to me that he has chosen a different plan of attack. Highly unpopular that's for sure but it might just be that end around run that could get the advantage back to the content owners and producers.

There are many here on GFY that are the movers and shakers of the adult industry. People that have the ability to shape and change the industry. It takes great vision to make the right move in something that's constantly evolving. It's a bold step for Twistys to make and time will tell if it was the right move.

Kevin Marx

God, I am late to the game on this discussion, but can't believe what I am reading....

Yes accepting tube traffic associates you with the criminals, plain and simple. Very stupid statement in my opinion. You are making a buck by them advertising with unapproved content from other programs. Fuck the point that your content is approved and is being advertised only with your banners and your links.... congrats.. you got your stuff taken care of. You threw your colleagues under the bus while you are sitting pretty... how about saying to RedTube that they can't use any of your stuff until EVERYTHING on their site is legit???? That's a tough one to get past isn't it? Why in the hell does anyone think that copyrights go to shit once on the NET??? No one owning a site should be responsible for ensuring that everything on it is OK??? (I mean seriously.. if no one cares about copyrights, why the fuck do we care if CP or bestiality or sites advertising selling of illegal drugs are out there? It's the fuckin wild west for real!!!) Make it all legit, or work on shutting them down.. come on man, I thought you were smarter than this???

They just want to follow your rules or they want to follow the rules of common sense and responsibility?

Why don't your rules say that you will not accept traffic from any affiliate found to be utilizing copyright violating content of any sort? Not just yours, but anyones?????? You are in bed with thieves man... seriously!!!!

Oh god... this makes no sense. Bend the rules then become legit? This is wrong on soooooooooo many levels.... You are being a savior or philanthropist or do-gooder of some sort? Helping the needy find their way???

Tell them straight up you want them to go legit. Tell them you want them to police every piece of content that crosses their threshhold. Tell them to do it the right way or you will sue them for using your content improperly. See what they say. You will become the least important person on their list. At this point, you are cooperating with them, not the other way around; but interestingly enough, you are the one benefitting from the arrangement financially.

Totally twisted logic man. I had applied to shoot for you and can honestly say that with this type of attitude and logic I am not disappointed now that you ignored me.

notoldschool

Yeah, you got me. I did misread. Its just so much fun tapping these keys I cant control myself. LOL.

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WarChild

No, I didn't sell my signature. I actually never have. I've had different products, companies or sometimes hosts listed without ref code over the years.

Again you missed the mark. That's starting to develop in to a bit of a pattern, wouldn't you say?

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notoldschool

the moral of the story is that you can use twistys content on tube sites as long its promoting another program. Am I reading the statements correctly?

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notoldschool

Fuck off. You have a sig, with no ref code to a shitty teen bop program that barely gets google image traffic and your suddenly the worlds biggest affiliate since Nam. Give me a break.

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Shap

Are you dyslexic? lol

Just curious which sponsors do you use?

WarChild

I never said I was the World's biggest affiliate. I just established that I'm a successful webmaster well established and not a beginner in need of tutorials. I'm refuting your ridiculous statements and thereby crushing your argument.

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mpahlca

Fantastic can you put this up in your sig then and send me an invoice:

http://www.barackobama.com/

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Shap

I'm Shap from Twistys and I approved this message.

F-U-Jimmy

Great idea 100% agree with this


Theres an old saying "if you lie with dogs you wake up with flees" which applies to this thread.


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Snake Doctor

I'll probably get burned in effigy for this, but here it goes.

People seem to forget that the hun started out by linking into the members areas of adult check gold sites.
People had their hosting shut down because of this.

In the early days of TGP 90%+ of the galleries listed had stolen content on them.
There were sponsors that refused to accept TGP traffic because they were "giving away the store" and TGP's made their money from things like dialers etc.

Now, today, the TGP sites are a staple of our industry, in fact alot of people think they're the only traffic source in the industry.

While the illegal tube sites definitely go alot farther today than the TGP's did back in 1997-1998....that's really more a function of the cost of bandwidth and the availability of content than it is a moral decision by the site owner.
If bandwidth was $15 a meg and content was plentiful when the TGP's first started, they probably would have given just as much away.

You can either sit on your soapbox and be righteously indignant while your competitors put you out of business, or you can be realistic and practical and make money.

I think the reason so many people are steamed here is that Shap has always been a soap box kind of guy, so people didn't expect this from him.

There is no good option here, the tube sites aren't going to go away no matter how much you scream, so you can either try to use them to make money, or you can scream about them. Faced with those two choices, a smart business man is going to choose to make money.

I'd like to point out that the people who are screaming the loudest don't have a dog in this fight. Shap is the one who spends millions of dollars a year on content and has it stolen. He's the one who had to make a business decision.

The dogs who bark the loudest about tube sites aren't the people who are having their stuff stolen, it's the people who are losing traffic to the tube sites....or people who think their drop in income is attributable to these new sites. (Their logic is more free porn=fewer members and lower retention)
You can make a valid argument for that....but still, if they're not stealing from you then you really have no right to bitch about Shap's decision to do business with them.

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seeric

watch as many "legitimate" bands of people in adult go to the dark side man, before it was a lot more hidden and not spoken of, now people like rude.com, pornhub, and the like will just shove a middle finger in your face and tell you to eat a shit biscuit

tube sites are not the end of this industry. ultimately we'll fuck ourselves into a position to be regulated by someone like stuart assface lawley or the gov or isps will be forced to filter at the country level one by one, or some other retarded way to go.

.xxx will not be the end of this biz, 2257 will not be the end of this biz, WE will be the end of this biz.

this industry could very well be imploding in a series of business model moves that people do not see are inevitably harmful but chosen because thats what everyone else is doing. if you follow bandits into a battle be prepared to battle like bandits and not business men.

Regardless of how "suit and tie" people in this industry pretend to be, deep down this industry wears a renegade mentality which counter enables any unification that we can wish for. Every man for himself is the way its been and the way I see it ending one day. Eventually, either a government agency, or big business or emerging market with a serious plan will pick apart and manipulate our inability to unite and lobby together on any issue.

This is the sad truth, and I do believe it.

notoldschool

Good one. To tell you the truth, when all is said and done, I will be most likely flying that sig myself. You see Im about whats best for this country so my sig is not some crazy zealots war cry. He is by far the best candidate left in a very shallow pool.


I support quite a few sponsers, including myself through SE. About the same way you do..To tell you the truth I was quite fond of the way you build your in house traffic and follow many of the same techniques. I just chose to make my pages a little more SE freindly.

BTW Im sure Obama would be less than happy to have someone supporting him that supports redtube.

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will76

What a crock of shit. Honestly. You are doing business with someone who has tons of stolen content on their site. You try to justify this by saying your content will not be on any *pages* with stolen content . Christ, that is worse then the companies who start a subsidiary company who fucks people and the parent company says, " its not us".

You really bent over backwards to jusitfy to yourself what you are doing... you wont allow redtube to display stolen content on any of the pages that your content is on. Wow man, you really putting your foot down for the industry! (sarcasm) You are doing business with the same people who are killing your sector of the industry.

While I agree with your comments on how the industry is changing, there is a HUGE difference between LEGAL Tubes and Illegal Tube sites. You could have just done business with legal tube sites and you would have been fine and " adapted" . But, no. The fact that they are a top 100 site is more imporatant to you (greed) then your principles. They are known content theives. There are so many legit tubes you could have done business with but you choose one of the thieves to do business with and then you try to justify it so you can make yourself feel better about your decission. What ever makes you sleep at night, but by doing business with RedTube, as long as they still allow stolen content on their site, that now makes you no different than AFF, no different than Brazzers or anyone else who supports these stealing fucks.

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notoldschool

Quoted for Truth, rounding to the highest number.

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BVF

I stopped reading right there when I realized that it was nothing but a "Lars Like" spin........Then I read the responses and saw how others saw it as a spin, which confirmed my original assumption....Therefore, you must get the Colin Powell: **this means a lot more on another board I visit**

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teksonline

On sale now!

Hun can do it, so can you!
10 ways to wok your site with new "hot" content.

How can you get your very own hot copy?
Just visit your nearest tubesite. Make sure you go to the non stolen content section, simple to find it has all the advertising on it and lesser quality shorter taser clips the link on the page in bettwen the 10 aff ands and the 10 im live ands, probably on the left side of the ppc ads in a 10x10pixel box that actually looks like an ad, unlike the other blind link ads

mpahlca

So basically you posted in here to promote your viral discussion board or your pyramid scheme?

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BradM

How many of you:
1) Promoted Twistys before this thread
2) Will stop promoting Twistys now that you read it
3) Will continue to promote, despite this thread

Here's the spinner though:

4) Have even sent them a single sale

If #4 is answered with a "no" just stop typing.

cosis

kind of dissapointing to hear your position Shap, thought you would be the last person to associate your business with thieves

will76

yeap i agree, and one more name just got added to the list, yours. I don't refer to it as " no morals" but more of a lack of business ethics.

So you taking the Lars defense, my competitors made me do it? Nice glad to see you learned something from GFY.

I personally will never do business with anyone who does business with low life stealing fucks. You are in bed and sleeping with a company that only exists because their site is FULL of stolen content. That is who you choose to do business with and the last person I will ever do business with.

You could have done business with the tons of LEGAL tube sites but no you wanted to do business with one of the ones that is fucking everyone and then you go on crying about how everyone else is doing it and there is no stopping them blah blah blah. sad man, very sad.

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seeric

for the record I and (WE) at Shane's World are against "Fucking the surfer"

its counter productive to our business model.

will76

He its 4 for me, but I didn't know i was dieing today. To loose any chance at doing business with me in the future is a loss, even if you or any one else doesnt think so. There is a very good chance I would have done business with them over the next year. We can bump this in the future and see who got my traffic and who didn't. I can tell you for sure, he wont be one of them.

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notoldschool

Thats some lame ass shit. Who gives a fuck about his pornstar program. Were talking about content theft and promoting your company on them. Twistys shit is actually irrelevant when you look at where this thread has gone. Kinda like yourself.

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Kick Ass Chat

Wow shap you are really no better than any other scum. You are accepting traffic that originated from scumbags that get it from stolen content sites and warez, and other scum? you jopined their team.

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