WHY didn't IBill, CCBill inform us sooner ??? - GoFuckYourself.com

Dr_Ace · 10-02-2002, 08:09 PM

why they wait the last moment for announce that visa shit

something smell bad here for me

mrthumbs · 10-02-2002, 08:10 PM

Mcdonalds smells pretty good when you're really hungy..

[H] · 10-02-2002, 08:13 PM

because they wanted webmasters to have to make a snap decision on this without having sufficient time to research alternatives. That way there's not much anyone can do except pay the extortion fee and continue to pay processing fees for nothing, when instead, if they'd had time, they could have possibly pursued their own merchant account and been set up properly.

But I don't think they were counting on Globill not joining the *good ol boys club* with them, and that threw yet another monkey wrench into the master plan.

Yes, it stinks like rotting snatch.

EscortBiz · 10-02-2002, 08:16 PM

we will have to wait and see what will happen

Kimmykim · 10-02-2002, 08:19 PM

Gee [H], you are a genius. I'm sure they all wanted to piss off as many of their customers as they could.

In your obvious and considerable experience dealing with Visa/MC, you surely are aware of the fact that it doesn't come six months before the deadline, it comes a few weeks at best.

And would one week really have made any difference so far as rebills were concerned? NO. Take your [H] out of your ass and use it for something besides an enema.

Dr_Ace · 10-02-2002, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [H]
because they wanted webmasters to have to make a snap decision on this without having sufficient time to research alternatives. That way there's not much anyone can do except pay the extortion fee and continue to pay processing fees for nothing, when instead, if they'd had time, they could have possibly pursued their own merchant account and been set up properly.

But I don't think they were counting on Globill not joining the *good ol boys club* with them, and that threw yet another monkey wrench into the master plan.

Yes, it stinks like rotting snatch.

no no no
if you have a paysite with ccbill and you already have 100-200-1000 members you dont want to lose the rebills by change prosesor , so even if they give us more time we will continue to work with them for keep the rebbils

[H] · 10-02-2002, 08:22 PM

the multi-corp coverup deepens.

Dr_Ace · 10-02-2002, 08:33 PM

Kimmykim what will happen with my paysite rebills if i stop to use ccbill cuz i cant have a USA comp ?????

gothweb · 10-02-2002, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Gee [H], you are a genius. I'm sure they all wanted to piss off as many of their customers as they could.

In your obvious and considerable experience dealing with Visa/MC, you surely are aware of the fact that it doesn't come six months before the deadline, it comes a few weeks at best.

And would one week really have made any difference so far as rebills were concerned? NO. Take your [H] out of your ass and use it for something besides an enema.

Something to think about: In the short time I have watched this segment of the adult industry, I have learned that 90% of adult businesses would rather screw people to make a buck than treat them well. Sad. but hard to deny. I am not 100% convinced that the billers fall outside that 90%... Not that I am sure they are screwing us, but, well... who knows.

I too think we should have been given more time, and that the billers could have negotiated a setup that didn't screw so many people* so badly. Not that they did nothing, but hey, they get their chunk of the fees, and pass the pressure on to us 100%. Also, I still don't have an official email from CCBill... why didn't something go out to *everyone* as soon as this was finalized?

*Small webmasters (whose chargebacks are lowest!) and Canadians? Is that really the group that should have been targetted to solve the problems of the adult industry?

salsbury · 10-02-2002, 08:35 PM

how much do you make on those 100-1000 monthly rebills? sounds like it'd be more than $62.50 ($750/12) and surely more than $29.16 (next year).

gothweb · 10-02-2002, 08:37 PM

Let me put it another way. I read this board. I have a number of friend who won't know about it until they check their email and hear it from *me*. Let's hear it for customer support. I know the billers must be swamped today, but couldn't someone have sent out an email to all the webmasters? When is it coming?

Dr_Ace · 10-02-2002, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by salsbury
how much do you make on those 100-1000 monthly rebills? sounds like it'd be more than $62.50 ($750/12) and surely more than $29.16 (next year).

the problem is not the $700 FEE , the problem is that i will need a USA comp for work with ccbill

and one more things i dont like is that none inform about that

heymatty · 10-02-2002, 09:10 PM

Gothweb ever get the feeling noone is reading your posts?

wouncie · 10-02-2002, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr_Ace
why they wait the last moment for announce that visa shit

something smell bad here for me

........... Why didnt ibill inform us YET
LOL, fuck sooner

corvette · 10-02-2002, 09:24 PM

Goth,

This morning the message was posted, if you check reports.ccbill.com, you will see a pop-up explaining what is going on and a link to the FAQs. The email should go out later tonight or tomorrow.

We will make sure that ALL of our webmasters know about this right away...we didn't have as much time as we would have liked to have had

[H] · 10-02-2002, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
In your obvious and considerable experience dealing with Visa/MC, you surely are aware of the fact that it doesn't come six months before the deadline, it comes a few weeks at best.

And would one week really have made any difference so far as rebills were concerned? NO. Take your [H] out of your ass and use it for something besides an enema.

funny, seems all the 3rd party billers that are representin' here today have already said they've known about this for MONTHS.

macroguru · 10-02-2002, 11:44 PM

You know,

I hate to say this, it could be the bad fucking mood I am in.

But, I push SicCash a lot, but after the attitudes of Brad, KimmyKim and Drew on the board over this thread and a few others, I think it's time I move.

Their treatment of the "smaller" webmasters is upsetting.

Macro

mrbling · 10-02-2002, 11:49 PM

Macro,

Agreeed, they don't give half a shit about their webmasters who make them money.

Brad,kimmykim,

Try brushing on your client skills, since you run a webmaster program, webmasters are your clients and you talk shit publicly about them.

Not very smart.

Even if I didn't give a shit about small webmasters, I would not say it publicly.

You two are just stupid.

Dr_Ace · 10-03-2002, 09:07 AM

im not going to use ccbill or ibll or ... again
and most the of the FUCKED webmasters will not use those shity companies again , i think VISA will lose from that too

there is so many other cc pros who will try to get new clients and offer them solutions

we made them big and now they fuck us

Honeyslut · 10-03-2002, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [H]
because they wanted webmasters to have to make a snap decision on this without having sufficient time to research alternatives. That way there's not much anyone can do except pay the extortion fee and continue to pay processing fees for nothing, when instead, if they'd had time, they could have possibly pursued their own merchant account and been set up properly.

But I don't think they were counting on Globill not joining the *good ol boys club* with them, and that threw yet another monkey wrench into the master plan.

Yes, it stinks like rotting snatch.

GLO BILL emailed their clients several weeks ago regarding the visa situation !

gothweb · 10-03-2002, 09:14 AM

I agree on Brad and KimmyKim's attitudes, and what it says about SIC Cash. You guys need little webmasters to promote you almost as much as you need OxCash to come up with your site ideas.

TheFLY · 10-03-2002, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [H]

funny, seems all the 3rd party billers that are representin' here today have already said they've known about this for MONTHS.

Damn the truth hurts.

Honeyslut · 10-03-2002, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr_Ace

the problem is not the $700 FEE , the problem is that i will need a USA comp for work with ccbill

and one more things i dont like is that none inform about that

Don't forget the paying amercian taxes and taxes for your country...

Honeyslut · 10-03-2002, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
I agree on Brad and KimmyKim's attitudes, and what it says about SIC Cash. You guys need little webmasters to promote you almost as much as you need OxCash to come up with your site ideas.

Kimmykim had the first balloon fetish site on the net..

Jimbo#1 · 10-03-2002, 09:39 AM

Quote:

And would one week really have made any difference so far as rebills were concerned? NO. Take your [H] out of your ass and use it for something besides an enema.

In this everchanging world of the web it's nice to know there is one constant, KK will remain as foul mouthed and unprofessional as ever......

RonC · 10-03-2002, 09:47 AM

H

It is true that we have known about these rules for several months. If you have ever seen rules in regs. from Visa they are just as clear as mud. For the last several months we have been just trying to get them to clarify them. Visa was not even sure how they were going to handle them. Even as of today we are still trying to clarify several other issues that are in the rules. These are all behind the scenes issues on just how we are supposed to, report to them, send the data, check the TMF files, get accounts approved, pay them, etc.. The rules just said what no how.

Kimmykim · 10-03-2002, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by macroguru
You know,

I hate to say this, it could be the bad fucking mood I am in.

But, I push SicCash a lot, but after the attitudes of Brad, KimmyKim and Drew on the board over this thread and a few others, I think it's time I move.

Their treatment of the "smaller" webmasters is upsetting.

Macro

Waaa waaa waaa, macro. Perhaps you should ask any of our webmasters how they are treated when they have questions or issues with SIC. I can assure you that to a one they will tell you they get quick and accurate responses and all the help they could possibly ask for.

All this crying and whining about Visa is ridiculous, and I will continue to say it.

ColKurtz · 10-03-2002, 10:04 AM

"All this crying and whining about Visa is ridiculous, and I will continue to say it."

Having to blindly pay $750+ is certainly ridiculous.

These new regulations aren't going to solve the problems. A lot of the big guys will continue to find new unethical ways to scam and use smoke and mirrors billing tactics.

So why should I pay that money to one of the "big 3" when it is those companies that have let all the scamming and what not continue for years to cause a need for more regulation.

No thanks.

s0laris2 · 10-03-2002, 10:15 AM

Here is a question.

I have a friend in the USA. I pay him 750, he registers his Social Security with Visa. CCBILL gets the a-ok from VISA,

However the Checks still go to me in Canada. Or doe the NON Visa Checks go to me and the Visa Checks go to my usa friend?

macroguru · 10-03-2002, 11:33 AM

You know Kimmy, I was treated nicely by you, whenever I asked you questions is correct.

BUT, that is not the issue here, it is the way of professionalism (Rather lack of) you, your coworkers, and your owner show upon this board that makes me sick, and no longer want to push your program.

Thanks for solidfying it today Kimmy

SicCash can now officialy

Macro

Dr_Ace · 10-03-2002, 04:43 PM

I still wait an answer from ccbill , what will happen with my paysite rebills ??????????????

Kimmy talk , stop hiding

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10-02-2002, 08:37 PM	#11
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Let me put it another way. I read this board. I have a number of friend who won't know about it until they check their email and hear it from me. Let's hear it for customer support. I know the billers must be swamped today, but couldn't someone have sent out an email to all the webmasters? When is it coming? __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

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Dr_Ace Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Spartaaaaa Posts: 206	WHY didn't IBill, CCBill inform us sooner ??? why they wait the last moment for announce that visa shit something smell bad here for me

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10-02-2002, 08:13 PM	#3
[H] So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 103	because they wanted webmasters to have to make a snap decision on this without having sufficient time to research alternatives. That way there's not much anyone can do except pay the extortion fee and continue to pay processing fees for nothing, when instead, if they'd had time, they could have possibly pursued their own merchant account and been set up properly. But I don't think they were counting on Globill not joining the good ol boys club with them, and that threw yet another monkey wrench into the master plan. Yes, it stinks like rotting snatch.

10-02-2002, 08:19 PM	#5
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Gee [H], you are a genius. I'm sure they all wanted to piss off as many of their customers as they could. In your obvious and considerable experience dealing with Visa/MC, you surely are aware of the fact that it doesn't come six months before the deadline, it comes a few weeks at best. And would one week really have made any difference so far as rebills were concerned? NO. Take your [H] out of your ass and use it for something besides an enema.

10-02-2002, 08:22 PM	#7
[H] So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 103	the multi-corp coverup deepens.

10-02-2002, 08:33 PM	#8
Dr_Ace Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Spartaaaaa Posts: 206	Kimmykim what will happen with my paysite rebills if i stop to use ccbill cuz i cant have a USA comp ?????

10-02-2002, 11:44 PM	#17
macroguru Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Somewhere out west Posts: 260	You know, I hate to say this, it could be the bad fucking mood I am in. But, I push SicCash a lot, but after the attitudes of Brad, KimmyKim and Drew on the board over this thread and a few others, I think it's time I move. Their treatment of the "smaller" webmasters is upsetting. Macro __________________ MacroGuru Give Your Surfers Some Portable Strippers - Pocket Strippers

10-02-2002, 11:49 PM	#18
mrbling Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 365	Macro, Agreeed, they don't give half a shit about their webmasters who make them money. Brad,kimmykim, Try brushing on your client skills, since you run a webmaster program, webmasters are your clients and you talk shit publicly about them. Not very smart. Even if I didn't give a shit about small webmasters, I would not say it publicly. You two are just stupid. __________________ millionare by 18 , beat that hOES

10-03-2002, 09:07 AM	#19
Dr_Ace Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Spartaaaaa Posts: 206	im not going to use ccbill or ibll or ... again and most the of the FUCKED webmasters will not use those shity companies again , i think VISA will lose from that too there is so many other cc pros who will try to get new clients and offer them solutions we made them big and now they fuck us

10-03-2002, 09:14 AM	#21
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	I agree on Brad and KimmyKim's attitudes, and what it says about SIC Cash. You guys need little webmasters to promote you almost as much as you need OxCash to come up with your site ideas. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-03-2002, 09:47 AM	#26
RonC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 236	H It is true that we have known about these rules for several months. If you have ever seen rules in regs. from Visa they are just as clear as mud. For the last several months we have been just trying to get them to clarify them. Visa was not even sure how they were going to handle them. Even as of today we are still trying to clarify several other issues that are in the rules. These are all behind the scenes issues on just how we are supposed to, report to them, send the data, check the TMF files, get accounts approved, pay them, etc.. The rules just said what no how.

10-03-2002, 10:04 AM	#28
ColKurtz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambodia Posts: 596	"All this crying and whining about Visa is ridiculous, and I will continue to say it." Having to blindly pay $750+ is certainly ridiculous. These new regulations aren't going to solve the problems. A lot of the big guys will continue to find new unethical ways to scam and use smoke and mirrors billing tactics. So why should I pay that money to one of the "big 3" when it is those companies that have let all the scamming and what not continue for years to cause a need for more regulation. No thanks.

10-03-2002, 10:15 AM	#29
s0laris2 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 317	Here is a question. I have a friend in the USA. I pay him 750, he registers his Social Security with Visa. CCBILL gets the a-ok from VISA, However the Checks still go to me in Canada. Or doe the NON Visa Checks go to me and the Visa Checks go to my usa friend? __________________

10-03-2002, 11:33 AM	#30
macroguru Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Somewhere out west Posts: 260	You know Kimmy, I was treated nicely by you, whenever I asked you questions is correct. BUT, that is not the issue here, it is the way of professionalism (Rather lack of) you, your coworkers, and your owner show upon this board that makes me sick, and no longer want to push your program. Thanks for solidfying it today Kimmy SicCash can now officialy Macro __________________ MacroGuru Give Your Surfers Some Portable Strippers - Pocket Strippers

10-03-2002, 04:43 PM	#31
Dr_Ace Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Spartaaaaa Posts: 206	I still wait an answer from ccbill , what will happen with my paysite rebills ?????????????? Kimmy talk , stop hiding