Which sponsor can you just not convert? - GoFuckYourself.com

signupdamnit · 03-07-2008, 02:36 PM

Pimproll. All time:

1:5700

And I promote at least a dozen of their sites in some form. Next worse sponsor has a ratio of 1:1500 all time so no one else even comes close.

Maybe it is just me. I'm thinking it might have to do with most of their sites that I promote being rather vanilla whereas I have more experience converting fetish traffic.

What's yours and do you have an explanation for it (other than shaving accusations unless you have proof as per the GFY rules)?

tranza · 03-07-2008, 02:42 PM

JuggCash.

I tried pretty much all their sites. There's one site of them that I'm at 1:9000 if I'm not mistaken.

Cash · 03-07-2008, 03:28 PM

nasty dollars ... and with a bad support.

Twig · 03-07-2008, 03:32 PM

Odd, I convert NastyDollars easy. JuggCash is pretty bad for me though.

Dagwolf · 03-07-2008, 03:33 PM

I don't want to give my worst sponsor the publicity. Most people have never heard of them anyway.

baddog · 03-07-2008, 03:34 PM

Seems to be Melissa Midwest for me.

Socks · 03-07-2008, 03:34 PM

Weird, didn't rabbits post saying juggcash was one of their top sponsors?

I don't promote them, just never got around to it.. I made a mental note like I should get on that though, but 1:9000? wowzers.. I never seen anything even close to that bad

The Judge · 03-07-2008, 03:37 PM

1:5000 is the norm these days for tgp traffic but Juggcash and Nastydollars are awesome programs and great general traffic converters.

Dollarmansteve · 03-07-2008, 03:46 PM

conversion is dependent on traffic source, period. If it weren't, then I would look at the stats every day and each individual affiliates conversion ratio would be within a small margin of error of the average conversion ratio.

This is not the case. Some traffic converts 1:5 and some converts 1:5000 - all 100% because of the source of traffic.

Traffic source can be broken into at least 2 levels. The first level being the general source (SE (organic, paid), TGP(galleries), exit consoles, etc). Then each of those sources is broken into each unique stream (ie the individual affiliate).

An affilaites traffic stream is highly dependent on where THEIR traffic comes from. For example, two affiliates could be promoting the same site and both get alot of organic SE traffic.. but it might be for different keywords. Therefore, the conversion ratios are different.

There is no way to disentangle all of the variables that affect conversion ratios on an hourly, daily or long-term time line. The fact that individual traffic streams display consistent behavior is in itself fascinating - especially if each traffic sample is highly unique (like say a site does 100k uniques per day.. and there's less than 30% common elements between daily sets.. yet the conversion ratios are within a small condifdence interval).

What I'm trying to say is - the data speaks for itself. The only thing you can say from your bad conversion ratio with pimproll is that YOUR particular source of traffic does not perform well with their sites.. and you'll never know why. It's such a cop out to think it's the sponsor's "fault" (that's not completely directed at you.. but to every affilaite who assumes they have a god given right to a particular conversion ratio...)

brand0n · 03-07-2008, 03:48 PM

i dont get it

if you dont convert with a sponsor + your traffic, switch until you find 1 that does.

Brujah · 03-07-2008, 03:51 PM

Don't rule out preselling the site, and a good filter. If your ratios are too high and your income parallels, try to implement a presell and join form combination if that's possible with your sponsor.

Markul · 03-07-2008, 03:52 PM

I convert Pimproll fine, but AdultElite I've made like $0.65 with 10K hits... go figure

IllTestYourGirls · 03-07-2008, 03:53 PM

Payserver 0:11476 and counting. I think I have a few links on some of my blogs somewhere still sending traffic.

jollyperv · 03-07-2008, 04:27 PM

brazzers

signupdamnit · 03-07-2008, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul

I convert Pimproll fine, but AdultElite I've made like $0.65 with 10K hits... go figure

And with Adult Elite (same owners as pimproll) I do 1:650.

Go figure.

Pokey the Turtle · 03-07-2008, 04:40 PM

strange how some sponsors do great for you...but others just don't work

although seemingly the content and the tours you send the surfers on are just as good or even better...

Jace · 03-07-2008, 04:43 PM

Adult Players Club - 0:18,613
and
4 Real Cash - 0:5,5591

I pulled 4 real cash in time, but APC I totally missed until it got to almost 20k

ScareCrowe · 03-07-2008, 05:02 PM

Great Explanation Dollarmansteve!

I want to throw a twist in there though, see if what I am thinking is along the right lines or not......

I have an affiliate ( no names ) that promotes us on one of his TGPs, and we also have a paid spot in the top 10 on same TGP.

Now, the ratios are:
1:1849 for his referrals (main page, near mid/bottom, and archives)
0:42000 for our topspot listing (main page, very top )

Since both of these are being seen by the exact same traffic, in your opinion, what would cause the ratios to be so drastically different?

kektex · 03-07-2008, 05:54 PM

PanchoDog for me. Its abysmal.
The girls are smoking hot and I just can´t seem to send a single sale.

Markul · 03-07-2008, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

And with Adult Elite (same owners as pimproll) I do 1:650.

Go figure.

Yea lol, I guess we all attract our "own kind of surfers"...

tabasco · 03-07-2008, 06:12 PM

Horror ratios from 2008. Take your pick.

Elite Dollars 0:12,009
Adult Empire 1:9,459 (that 1 sale came in the first 50 hits.. yay welcome sale!)
Adult Paymaster 1:9,459
Bad Girl Bucks 1:7,396
Score Cash 0:9,583
Dream Cash 1:12,623
Grooby Bucks 1:14,915 (was doing really well with them, sales came to a grinding halt).

tehHinjew · 03-07-2008, 06:16 PM

movie profits

baddog · 03-07-2008, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabasco

Adult Paymaster 1:9,459

hmmm, when my ratios go higher than 1:50 I have them check to make sure something isn't wrong with the tracking.

Shoplifter · 03-07-2008, 06:19 PM

Pretty much any of the bigger NATs / Bromaster style programs sell crappy for me. I do better with CCBill.

baX · 03-07-2008, 06:23 PM

PussyCash (ImLive), SterlingCash and SilverCash all have over 0:5000 for me

Makaveli · 03-07-2008, 06:37 PM

Slick Cash.

Guys find niche recurring with exclusive content programs on Ccbill or Epoch and pound it. Watch the signs roll in. After a year or so of steady pushing of that site/s that gets joins you be getting paid for it years down the road... All these programs push the same type of content that is everywhere. People blame Tube sites but that's not really the problem with your "down swing" the problem is every site looks the same these days.... Think outside the box, never follow the crowd.

Peace, Im Out....

comeplay · 03-07-2008, 07:21 PM

I wish one of my fling free joins would switch to paid already.

Darkhorse · 03-07-2008, 09:12 PM

Juggcash.com Brazbucks.com panchodog.com all just don't convert for me, it's mainly blog/SE traffic.

GrouchyAdmin · 03-07-2008, 09:26 PM

FuckMeCash.

notoldschool · 03-07-2008, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoplifter

Pretty much any of the bigger NATs / Bromaster style programs sell crappy for me. I do better with CCBill.

I find this hard to believe.

Antonio · 03-08-2008, 01:07 AM

I'm at 1:1258 with pimproll
and 1:538 with Adult Elite

If a sponsor has like 50 sites it's normal that one site will do 1:5000 and another 1:400

with that said judging by my sales this month I'll have to sell oranges in the summer just to get by ;(

BAKO · 03-08-2008, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comeplay

I wish one of my fling free joins would switch to paid already.

My fling stats

195716 9229 1:21 858 1:228

Iron Fist · 03-08-2008, 02:10 AM

BrainCash... 1:7367 all time... those solo girls just don't convert for me at ALL and I love them! Ridiculous.

Markul · 03-08-2008, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WWC-Bako

My fling stats

195716 9229 1:21 858 1:228

That's some mighty good ratiosimo, I'm on 1:49 free 1:866 paid

mr.K© · 03-08-2008, 05:17 AM

Perfectgonzo 1:9000

SexPromo · 03-08-2008, 05:19 AM

Mtree and IWantu

HairToStay · 03-08-2008, 05:53 AM

So far this year with Vixeo
0:20823 (5 rebills, though)

Markul · 03-08-2008, 05:56 AM

Oh OcCash is at 0:8312 for me

Nicky · 03-08-2008, 07:10 AM

Hollywood traffic 0:4100 last month, that's mostly SE traffic.

Twig · 03-08-2008, 12:19 PM

haha, AdultPlatform is at like 1:5000 for me.
Does anyone else promote them?

03-07-2008, 02:36 PM	#1
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	Which sponsor can you just not convert? Pimproll. All time: 1:5700 And I promote at least a dozen of their sites in some form. Next worse sponsor has a ratio of 1:1500 all time so no one else even comes close. Maybe it is just me. I'm thinking it might have to do with most of their sites that I promote being rather vanilla whereas I have more experience converting fetish traffic. What's yours and do you have an explanation for it (other than shaving accusations unless you have proof as per the GFY rules)? __________________ You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

03-07-2008, 02:42 PM	#2
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	JuggCash. I tried pretty much all their sites. There's one site of them that I'm at 1:9000 if I'm not mistaken. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

03-07-2008, 03:28 PM	#3
Cash Click on my TCG signature Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 20,825	nasty dollars ... and with a bad support. __________________ $9.95/month for 15000 GB bandwidth monthly, unlimited (sub)domains and MySQL5, PHP4/5, 500 GB disk storage! ; use any of these invitation codes: 216263692101; 408636009193; 846090586647; my ICQ 30160426!

03-07-2008, 03:32 PM	#4
Twig Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ICQ - 703894 Posts: 1,949	Odd, I convert NastyDollars easy. JuggCash is pretty bad for me though. __________________

03-07-2008, 03:33 PM	#5
Dagwolf President of Canada Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leaving Hell, Entering Limbo Posts: 23,141	I don't want to give my worst sponsor the publicity. Most people have never heard of them anyway. __________________ Sleep well, and dream of large women.

03-07-2008, 03:34 PM	#6
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Seems to be Melissa Midwest for me.

03-07-2008, 03:34 PM	#7
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	Weird, didn't rabbits post saying juggcash was one of their top sponsors? I don't promote them, just never got around to it.. I made a mental note like I should get on that though, but 1:9000? wowzers.. I never seen anything even close to that bad

03-07-2008, 03:37 PM	#8
The Judge Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,647	1:5000 is the norm these days for tgp traffic but Juggcash and Nastydollars are awesome programs and great general traffic converters. __________________

03-07-2008, 03:46 PM	#9
Dollarmansteve Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,849	conversion is dependent on traffic source, period. If it weren't, then I would look at the stats every day and each individual affiliates conversion ratio would be within a small margin of error of the average conversion ratio. This is not the case. Some traffic converts 1:5 and some converts 1:5000 - all 100% because of the source of traffic. Traffic source can be broken into at least 2 levels. The first level being the general source (SE (organic, paid), TGP(galleries), exit consoles, etc). Then each of those sources is broken into each unique stream (ie the individual affiliate). An affilaites traffic stream is highly dependent on where THEIR traffic comes from. For example, two affiliates could be promoting the same site and both get alot of organic SE traffic.. but it might be for different keywords. Therefore, the conversion ratios are different. There is no way to disentangle all of the variables that affect conversion ratios on an hourly, daily or long-term time line. The fact that individual traffic streams display consistent behavior is in itself fascinating - especially if each traffic sample is highly unique (like say a site does 100k uniques per day.. and there's less than 30% common elements between daily sets.. yet the conversion ratios are within a small condifdence interval). What I'm trying to say is - the data speaks for itself. The only thing you can say from your bad conversion ratio with pimproll is that YOUR particular source of traffic does not perform well with their sites.. and you'll never know why. It's such a cop out to think it's the sponsor's "fault" (that's not completely directed at you.. but to every affilaite who assumes they have a god given right to a particular conversion ratio...) __________________ I died.

03-07-2008, 03:48 PM	#10
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	i dont get it if you dont convert with a sponsor + your traffic, switch until you find 1 that does. __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

03-07-2008, 03:51 PM	#11
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Don't rule out preselling the site, and a good filter. If your ratios are too high and your income parallels, try to implement a presell and join form combination if that's possible with your sponsor. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

03-07-2008, 03:52 PM	#12
Markul Likes Pie Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The land that liberated porn Posts: 12,402	I convert Pimproll fine, but AdultElite I've made like $0.65 with 10K hits... go figure

03-07-2008, 03:53 PM	#13
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	Payserver 0:11476 and counting. I think I have a few links on some of my blogs somewhere still sending traffic. __________________

03-07-2008, 04:27 PM	#14
jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	brazzers

03-07-2008, 04:40 PM	#16
Pokey the Turtle Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 216	strange how some sponsors do great for you...but others just don't work although seemingly the content and the tours you send the surfers on are just as good or even better... __________________ *Fight Porn! NOW!* ICQ 405-839-610

03-07-2008, 04:43 PM	#17
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	Adult Players Club - 0:18,613 and 4 Real Cash - 0:5,5591 I pulled 4 real cash in time, but APC I totally missed until it got to almost 20k

03-07-2008, 05:02 PM	#18
ScareCrowe Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Crapass Illinois Posts: 15	Great Explanation Dollarmansteve! I want to throw a twist in there though, see if what I am thinking is along the right lines or not...... I have an affiliate ( no names ) that promotes us on one of his TGPs, and we also have a paid spot in the top 10 on same TGP. Now, the ratios are: 1:1849 for his referrals (main page, near mid/bottom, and archives) 0:42000 for our topspot listing (main page, very top ) Since both of these are being seen by the exact same traffic, in your opinion, what would cause the ratios to be so drastically different? __________________ http://TheWetPeach.com http://MelissaMatters.com http://WetPeachCash.com http://CorinRiggsOnline.com

03-07-2008, 05:54 PM	#19
kektex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: elkektex at gmail Posts: 1,813	PanchoDog for me. Its abysmal. The girls are smoking hot and I just can´t seem to send a single sale.

03-07-2008, 06:12 PM	#21
tabasco Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 2,624	Horror ratios from 2008. Take your pick. Elite Dollars 0:12,009 Adult Empire 1:9,459 (that 1 sale came in the first 50 hits.. yay welcome sale!) Adult Paymaster 1:9,459 Bad Girl Bucks 1:7,396 Score Cash 0:9,583 Dream Cash 1:12,623 Grooby Bucks 1:14,915 (was doing really well with them, sales came to a grinding halt). __________________ "There is no other way to see a thing except to look at it" - fatfoo

03-07-2008, 06:16 PM	#22
tehHinjew Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: MTL Posts: 5,755	movie profits __________________ Hot Porn Wanna trade? email me at wanker (@) wanknation dot com

03-07-2008, 06:19 PM	#24
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,732	Pretty much any of the bigger NATs / Bromaster style programs sell crappy for me. I do better with CCBill.

03-07-2008, 06:23 PM	#25
baX Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: BP Posts: 17,911	PussyCash (ImLive), SterlingCash and SilverCash all have over 0:5000 for me

03-07-2008, 06:37 PM	#26
Makaveli Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,027	Slick Cash. Guys find niche recurring with exclusive content programs on Ccbill or Epoch and pound it. Watch the signs roll in. After a year or so of steady pushing of that site/s that gets joins you be getting paid for it years down the road... All these programs push the same type of content that is everywhere. People blame Tube sites but that's not really the problem with your "down swing" the problem is every site looks the same these days.... Think outside the box, never follow the crowd. Peace, Im Out....

03-07-2008, 07:21 PM	#27
comeplay Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greater Washington DC Posts: 1,435	I wish one of my fling free joins would switch to paid already. __________________ Top virtual hosts for under 10$? www.hostmylife.com \| icq 50663030

03-07-2008, 09:12 PM	#28
Darkhorse Horsing Around Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: AU Posts: 5,864	Juggcash.com Brazbucks.com panchodog.com all just don't convert for me, it's mainly blog/SE traffic.

03-07-2008, 09:26 PM	#29
GrouchyAdmin Now choke yourself! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 12,085	FuckMeCash. __________________ AIM: GrouchyGfy

03-08-2008, 01:07 AM	#31
Antonio Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Spartaaaaaaaaa Posts: 14,136	I'm at 1:1258 with pimproll and 1:538 with Adult Elite If a sponsor has like 50 sites it's normal that one site will do 1:5000 and another 1:400 with that said judging by my sales this month I'll have to sell oranges in the summer just to get by ;(

03-08-2008, 02:10 AM	#33
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	BrainCash... 1:7367 all time... those solo girls just don't convert for me at ALL and I love them! Ridiculous. __________________ i like waffles

03-08-2008, 05:17 AM	#35
mr.K© Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Near AMS Posts: 201	Perfectgonzo 1:9000

03-08-2008, 05:19 AM	#36
SexPromo Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 910	Mtree and IWantu

03-08-2008, 05:53 AM	#37
HairToStay Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Southcoast, Mass. Posts: 1,521	So far this year with Vixeo 0:20823 (5 rebills, though) __________________ Make bank by giving your surfers free pics every day and it costs you NOTHING! Use POTD Sponsors to find adult sponsors in more than 75 niches who offer a POTD feature!

03-08-2008, 05:56 AM	#38
Markul Likes Pie Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The land that liberated porn Posts: 12,402	Oh OcCash is at 0:8312 for me

03-08-2008, 07:10 AM	#39
Nicky Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,070	Hollywood traffic 0:4100 last month, that's mostly SE traffic. __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

03-08-2008, 12:19 PM	#40
Twig Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ICQ - 703894 Posts: 1,949	haha, AdultPlatform is at like 1:5000 for me. Does anyone else promote them? __________________