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And get me another glass of water you dipshit waiter. I tip just as long as you keep coming by with some fucking water.

God, I'm really glad I never had to wait on some of the cheap asses here when I was in the service industry. I made 2.13 per hour plus tips then. I think people are talking shit on purpose, but like it or not, tipping is always expected at a restaurant, DUH!!! Are you ppl fucking kidding me?

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I tip 30% usually. Always get a drink fast at the bar at least.

expected?

yes.

mandatory?

no.

do idiots who do a bad job get tips?

no.

do good people who do a great job get great tips?

yes.


do idiots who think they are entitled to tips get tips just for showing up no matter how shitty they are at their job, get tips automatically?

no.

So true. Very good post, probably the best one in this thread. I never even thought to look up where the word "tips" comes from. Interesting.

I bet this cat never posts in here again. :1orglaugh

I wonder if he's been back and seen all the weiner threads:1orglaugh

Someone owes me three minutes of my life back for reading this.
And now back to the world of adult.

Not taking the 20% was a nOOb error. Old timers like me, know that the reason there is a charge for table over 6, is that the server tends to get stiffed,not just on the tip, but by not being able to turn your station as quickly.

However, what sucks the worst, is that a server can be taxed on the gross sales, and not the actual tip.

Personally, I'd rater see resturants pay a fair wage to service ppl so the wouldn't have to depend on the whims of a diner, to make bank.

As my Daddy is fond of saying ..

Greedy is as greedy does.

those US tipping "rules" are insane. When i tip it's always 50 cents to maybe a couple of euros tops, just to round off the bill... sounds like waiters and shit in the US are fucking spoiled.

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Why bother tipping? It's not really optional or a reward for good service, is it? Note that, in the USA , most waitstaff in restaurants are paid below the minimum wage, because the employees are expected to make up the difference, so to speak, with great service for tips.

This means that a server could earn far above minimum wage on a good night, or hardly break even on a slow night. In some cases your tip is shared by the total waitstaff of a shift. This is common where "team" service is provided to all tables. In other instants in order to keep her/ his customers happy and his/her tables full, the waitress or waiter must out of his/ her own tips then tip the busboys, so they will quickly clear the table and the seating hostess to bring customers to the table and the chef so the food arrives to you hot and appealing.

Serving you well requires the staff to work as a well oiled machine. Your tip is that oil. That is why you tip.

Just the UG, don't follow the OG much. I believe his nick on the UG was The Sultan when he posted about not getting tipped.

My nick is pretty much the same on every board I post. Anthony.

I used to think like you. Then about 5 years ago when I was in school I worked at a bar.

Servers deserve every cent of tips they receive to deal with asshole cocksmokers who think they are too clever to leave a decent tip.

I would rather be remembered as the patron who made someone's day then the cheap fuckwad asshole who didn't tip because the kitchen threw the server under the bus and fucked up an order.

As has been stated in this thread already - some people have class, some don't, period. Are you 'correct' that tipping isn't 'mandatory' - YES - but who fucking cares, that only makes you a dick who is 'right'. I would rather be on the 'wrong' side of the equation and be a decent human being.. I can't imagine how much saliva you've eaten in your life from all the food that has been spit on.

Thanks, back in the day the Tip was given before service... so that the server knew who to take care of first! So any cheap asses here, just imagine what your evening would be like in those instances:1orglaugh

td...and WTF would you waive the 20 points....seriously, in this case, NO WAY I can blame the patron:1orglaugh

a good portion of the world tried to do things your way once. it was called the soviet union. it didn't work. the idea was to just be "fair" which meant even fuckups could recieve decent compensation for fucking up and compensation on par with those who did a phenominal job. it failed miserably.

look dude... i am just a guy who goes in to sit down and eat.

i expect a certain level as service as being part of the deal (appropriate to the type of restuarant).

shitty service is NOT my problem.

what type of asshole the waitress had to wait on before my is no more my problem that what type of prick customer support had to deal with before i called hoping to solve my problem.

the understanding is NEVER that the wait staff is going to provide shitty service as part of the deal.

my contract with the restaurant is that i agree to go there, sit down, order from the menu, eat and pay and they agree to tend to my needs, take my order and bring my food as i ordered it... i then pay XX.XX - having some cunt waitress who is having a shitty day ruin that experience for me is not part of the deal. of course i tip, but i don't reward bad behavior as many of the morons here seem to do because they are just weak pussies, or are minimum wage workers at heart.

and furthermore... lets talk some reality here. lets talk about how nice restaurants and wait staff treat customers differently... lets talk about how i can go into a 5 star restaurant, sit down and drop 100.00 on lunch and be totally fucking ignored the entire time because the same waiter/waitress has 3 other tables with 5-10 people ea and knows thats where the big tip will be. that happened to me the other day with my wife and fucking pissed me off. the cunt wouldn't even make eye contact with us because she had a couple tables of microsoft execs spending a lot of money... so whether or not i needed anything, wanted to order anything, needed water or another drink or whatever was a non-issue because i wasn't going to be the one leaving a 300.00 tip. and according to you, i am OBLIGATED TO TIP HER. huh? for what? for fucking up my evening and totally ruining the experience for us? fuck you. fuck her.

I suspect there are a lot more people on GFY waiting tables at night than I would have previously guessed.

I stopped reading after that line. There's nothing more irritating than insanely misplaced political activism.

You're over thinking it - the reality here is you are trying to justify being a shitty tipper. I don't really care what you do, it just makes you an ass and you're probably fine with that. So this debate is over.. Im not interested in your rambling rationalizations.

PS - were you touched by a waiter as a boy or sometihng? I've never seen so much rage against the service industry. And you know, your good tip could be the very thing that turns around that waitress' bad day.. I guess it's all a matter of your attitude towards life and living.

only difference is the waiters here make like 2.15 an hour, you take off taxes and they get shit on a payCheck, so the tips are their only revenues:2 cents:

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justify being a shitty tipper? huh?

dude.. seriously. i tip.

my problem is when everyone starts arguing that its an entitlement REGARDLESS of the quality of service.


i'm an ass and it seems that 1/2 of gfy is apparently working at Dennys at night. ... i guess under the circumstances, i'm fine being an ass.

let me give you some life advice that will help you tremendously.

1) restuarant jobs for the most part are a dime a dozen. i'm not talking about 5 star restuarants... but there are plenty of great jobs where servers are bringing home a few hundred a night.

don't give up hope. they have high turnovers because its shitty work for people with no skills in anything. thats good for you because it means you can always find a better job waiting tables

2) just try my way once. how about this... lie to yourself ... just as an experiment and tell yourself that the reason you are there as a waiter is not just because you have to talent or skills, but it is to make sure I am having a decent experience - one which i am paying for.

smile.
attend to my needs.
keep my drink full.
take a second when you pass by to ask if i need anything.

thats all.

thats it.

do that and your tips should go up tremendously and you might realize that no one sits down to lunch thinking "hmm... this person is a complete shithead and i should pay him a little extra for being a complete shithead"

you'll find people are more than happy to reward you for the effort.

your tips will start climbing up immediately.

i promise.

you people crack me up.


the "service industry"


has now apparently became the...

"well, yeah, i don't care about you, your needs, my job and the quality of service sucked... but you OWE me money just because i showed up today" industry.

jesus christ... Chairman Mao would read this thread and weep for the fact that gfy has finally got on board with his vision of a world where idiots can make a great living in spite of whether they actually earn it or or even deserve it.. or not.

I tip generously, almost always. Even to a fault. Anyone with a brain can spot when other issues are going on that affect the server's ability to DO their job. Bad service is NOT always the fault of the waiter/waitress.

For instance, a server who is covering additional positions because people didn't show up for work. Or some kitchen-related problem. Usually a quick glance in the direction of the kitchen can tell you if the server is encountering his/her own obstacle to providing great service.

If there's something beyond the server's control that is impacting their ability to perform, I tip as usual, generally 20-35%.

On the other hand, I HAVE been to a well-regarded restaurant and been the only customer in the place during an off-hour, between lunch and dinner. There were THREE people on the wait staff. Midway through dinner, NONE were visible.

So I waited.

And waited.

And waited.

And finally, after maybe ten minutes, got up and went behind the bar and poured MY OWN glass of tea from the pitcher.

Admittedly it's not that hard to pour a glass of tea, but it was THEIR job, not mine.

We finsihed eating and sat there for 20 minutes longer before the waiter came out and asked "how is everything?".

No tip. One of the three or four times in my life in which I did not tip a penny.

When this has occurred though, I also inform the waiter or, if I can, the Maitre de, and explain what the issue was.

If someone is simply having a rough day, you can spot that. Why make it rougher on them?

i think thats very fair. of course you can't punish someone one who is doing everything possible to do their job or for mistakes that clearly happened in the kitchen etc.

my issue is not with "tipping" or how much or being "cheap" as people love to try to make it - my issue is the fact that there is this notion these days that tips are mandatory REGARDLESS of service, quality of service etc. that pisses me off.

I can assure you I'm not in need of your life advice - I was a bartender 5 years ago.. I have just slightly more responsibility in my career now than back then.

I'll stand by my point that, on the average, I'll bet you tip less than the norm. Maybe it makes you feel powerful, when you hold in your hands the power to reward or punish the server in question. Like I said, I used to think like you and sit there and demand amazing service so the server could 'earn' their tip.. then I realized I was just being a cynical asshole.

Here's some life advice for you:

a funny thing happens when you change your attitude.. maybe you receive less than great service more times than not because the server can tell you are going to be an annoying patron. I rarely receive bad service at restaurants.. and I credit it to me not coming off as an arrogant prick.

damn stupid tipping system you have in US. here and most other places I go I tip when I get good service. 10%, 20%, sometimes 50%. It all depends...

If I get bad service 0%. Always.

i tip quite well. as i have said countless times already, i simply object to the idea that i owe YOU that money regardless of the level of service, your attitude etc.

what can i say?


this thread has taught me that there are two types of people in life apparently, those that serve.... and those that order.

Tip should change with dollar volume, effort and time.

If I have a $100 bill at a restuarant a $20 tip is fine. If I have breakfast and the bill comes to $7 I'm not going to tip just $1.40. I'd tip $3 on that.

If I buy a rare-vintage $10,000 bottle of wine I am not going to tip $2000 for carrying it to my table. How does the "servers only make $2.13 per hour" argument hold up on a $10,000 bill for 5 minutes of work? So what do you tip someone for bringing you a $10,000 bottle of wine? $2000? $1000? $200? $100?

Thats a good question.

I'm confused by your stance, as a bartender if you got someones drink wrong and then accidentally spilled a drink on them, would you still expect a tip? Seems like all Pleasurepays is saying is that the tip should be commensurate with the quality of service received and not a foregone conclusion.

dude just be reasonable with the tip, I don't get why its so complicated. If the service is really bad, then no tip.

and if you don't receive a good tip... maybe you fucked up - most people are pretty slow to recognize their own mistakes. thats the nature of the business.

I am a waiter and have been for 5 years, I get paid 2.83 by the restaurant i work for. Thats a standard in PA, they pay us that much because they like to assume the guests that come in are half-way decent people and may tip correctly. Waiting on people is my job and I do it well. How you tip says A LOT about the type of person you are and how cultured you are. I was surprised to hear all the jerk-offs in this thread saying they tip 10% or less, or if there is automatic gratuity on the check you have it taken off and leave nothing. You must be the inner city scum that i have seen at red lobster at 10pm.

no tipping is not mandatory, it is a courtesy, but people rely on those tips for income and i guess some people just don't care.

I know there are servers out there who honestly don't deserve a tip, and that sucks because it makes the whole industry look bad.

If you get bad service and they deserve a shitty tip then give them what they deserve.

But for those of you that just don't think tipping is right, or leave bad or no tips out of spite. Thats just proof of having no class and a complete disregard for your fellow man

I always tip 20%. And after reading this thread, I really have no idea why I should continue to do that.

The other night I got a terrible haircut... but still tipped 20%. I had her make some changes, it was still bad but I had to leave.

The only time I ever get excellent service is with restaurants that I frequent often that know me, like me, and know I'm not going to stiff them. Every other time, service is average at best. I should never have request a drink. I should not need to ask for boxes or my bill. Somebody should be asking me.

So what do you suggest I do to get good service? obviously my 20% is not enough. Should I walk in and lay money down on the table right from the start so the server knows what they are going to make on me? That is absolute bull. The server should be attending to my needs so that they can get their 20 and 25%. Not the other way around.

according to all the newly minted GFY members of The National Peoples Socialists Workers Party of the Restaurant Workers of the Glorious Revolution posting in this thread... you have no choice. give 20% just because they happened to show up at work that day. if you don't, you're an asshole. You're low class... and you're just a scumbag.

funny hearing all the hateful spite and contempt coming from people who expect you to give a little extra to them. i seriously doubt 2.00 extra on top of a 10.00 lunch bill is going to solve their issues and life problems.

Don't forget to tip the farmer who kills your food. You don't want to be disrespectful now do you?

To me... it seems like the restaurant service industry is a pretty good example of competition. Don't provide good enough service? You don't make money and get pushed out. Provide good service? You make fair to good money and can be happy.

I know bartenders of total dive bars that make hundreds of dollars a night on tips quite often. Why? The patrons love them! and they get great service.

This isn't rocket science. Take care of me and you will be rewarded. Don't take care of me and you will not. Be a little bitch and spit in my food? Honestly, I really don't care, I've had much worse... the only loser in that situation is you for getting so upset at your own failures that you try taking it out on somebody else. Besides, if you do spit in my food, that means you did so at the very beginning of the meal... why would I give you a tip after that? That never made sense to me.

BRAVO!!!

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Somebody please justify how a server can get bad service (of course, due to bad tipping) when they haven't even had a chance to receive the bad tip yet?

Do any of you actually have a real answer for that?

If you are always looking for a good tip, you should always be providing good service. Period.

It's called doing something pleasant, assmunch! It puts a smile on someone's face and to me that's worth an extra $2.00. You would probably bitch about the food being prepared wrong and then stiff the server when the server had absolutely nothing to do with preparing the food. You that kind of asshole. The one that punishes the server for every single mistake.

My drink is weak, server's fault. My food is wrong, server's fault. Valet scratched my car, server's fault. And the funny part about that is the server still tips out the same amount to all the people that fucked up your shit regardless of how arrogantly cheap you are. Tip outs are based on gross sales, not how much cheap dicks like you leave. :2 cents:

Why am I even in this debate????? :helpme

should have gone with the 20%, it was a no-brainer. Most high rollers will tip a additional amount so taking the 20% off the check doesn't make sense to me, even if you think he might tip more.

Is this post for real or what? If it is that sucks.

Spoiled? For a lot of people in the US, it's their main form of income. It's what pays their bills and keeps a roof over their head. The reason people here in the US go out and eat for less than they should really be charged is because the restaurants pay the servers shit. Once restaurants actually pay the servers a fair hourly wage, I'm sure there will be a lot less people eating out.

The farmer is paid well beyond minimum wage. Most servers are paid less than minimum wage.

doing something pleasant? for who? the person who gave you a miserable experience?

i know by now that reading comprehension isn't high on your list of personal skills and assets... so let me help you again...

i tip.

i'm not cheap.

i tip quite well to people what at least make an effort.

i don't tip just because some other cockholster like you decided to take off your hair net and name tag and tell me its my obligation to tip.

all i have said to some of you fucking retards is that tipping isn't an obligation on my part. its something i do to be nice for someone who was nice to me.

jesus christ man... get back to cleaning the fryers and stuffing toys in happy meals before someone realizes you're missing.

If the pay is such a problem, why would someone take a less than minimum wage job? And don't tell me that's all that's available. McDonald's is paying out above minimum wage these days and they can't keep anybody working.

The person takes the less than minimum wage job because they want to make tips. And that's great, they should, it's kind of like a mini business they are running. But if they want to make tips, they have to earn those tips. If they do not have the ability to make their customers happy, then McDonald's is probably a much better route to go.

Service. Service. Service. It's the service industry. The industry revolves around giving people service and a pleasant experience. If I sit down, I should be getting that pleasant experience. Unfortunately, I rarely do.

I never said you didn't tip. I just stand by my statement that im sure you tip less and less often than most people.

It's like this - when your wife or GF is in a bitchy mood and feels like nagging you - she is going to find something to nag about, no matter what you do cause she's got a bad attitude.

If you are sitting there in a restaurant looking for fault, try to find a reason not to leave a good tip, you WILL find one. That's what I'm saying. Some people go in with the attitude of the person starting at $0 and working up to 15, 20% cause they "earned it" as deemed worthy by your standards.

Some people go in thinking "Im a good person and I'm in a good mood and this server is starting at 20%.. and they'll have to royally fuck me over to lose their tip".

THAT is the difference.. and I'm going to say that with you it's ALOT harder to get to the 15/20% from 0 than it is for the person to lose my tip.

Your attitude is immature, that you "won't do something just because society tells me to", what are you, an angst ridden teenager?? You don't like "the man" telling you want to do.. you make your own rules on life blah blah blah. I'm done.

I don't tip any of my girlfriends when they are nagging me. Problem solved.

Not once have I said to reward stupidity / terrible service, etc. What I'm saying is that people's subjective rating of service is more based on THEIR attitude than the server's actions. Performing the job of serving deserves a standard tip, service above and beyond deserves a tip beyond accepted norms. Bad service means a reduced tip. It is VERY rare that most people receive service so bad it warrants a $0 or insulting tip, yet for some people that happens often and the problem is THEM and not the server :2 cents: