You fucking crack me up, nice post. :thumbsup:1orglaugh

Is this the guy you are talking about?

http://www.agg.com/Contents/AttorneyDetail.aspx?ID=402

Realize I'm speaking from an "In America" perspective here... I realize other countries have other customs.


In America, it's customary to tip your waiter just as it's customary to give the cabbie an extra buck or 5... just like it's customary to give the skycap a buck a bag at the airport.

Like I've said, tipping's a matter of class - some got it, others don't.

I wouldn't necessarily expect those without to understand... especially if they're content in being ignorant, or take pride in being an asshole.

In the case of restaurants, it's so customary that it's actually designed into the way they conduct business. As I said in the post you quoted, if you don't tip at least 8%,it's possible you're putting the person serving you in the position of having to pay out of their own pocket for the honor of serving you. That's simple fact.

You do have an option to serve yourself or place an order yourself or whatever... stick to a counter-service restaurant if you must eat out (fast food, or what-have-you) or stay home and handle it yourself.

Who knows.

I forwarded him this thread just to be certain.

Yes, really.

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realize... i am from Seattle. not sure what "america" has to do with anything.

saying someone doesn't have class for not tipping a rude or horrible waitress that made the experience terrible is just an admission to being a weak minded pussy who finds it easier to go with the flow rather than take a stand for what you believe in.

there is no sign hanging over the door of ANY restaurant ANYWHERE that says "all waitresses are entitled to tips and basically, its just a matter of class"

as has been said many times, tips are for people to offer GOOD service. thats what tips are. its about rewarding efforts that go above and beyond.

class? class has nothing to do with money. you seem to think you can buy class... sorry.... you can't. you cant throw a waitress a $5.00 bill and be "classy"

nice try.

its because of people like you that every asshole under the sun has a tip jar out or thinks they should be tipped as a matter of course.

its rediculous and pathetic.

i was listening to a talk radio show on the rock station the other day in seattle where the subject was tipping and i couldn't fucking believe how many different people and professions think you should automatically tip them. when i agree to pay XX.XX for a service ... THAT IS THE AGREEMENT. there is nothing extra unless you earned it or deserve it. end of story.

LOL, what? I didn't exactly go over-emotional there and I don't know where the rest of that even comes from. Pets? PMS? OOOOkkk......

FYI

most waitstaff in the US make less the 3.50 an hour on avg so its not what they get paid for

tips are 99% of what a waiter makes for a living

:2 cents:

i was at the quiznos (fast food joint) the other day and they had a tip jar.

i laughed and asked the guy why it was there.

you people crack me up...


"CLASS"


its about "class"


look man... i know it makes you feel better to tell yourself while you are cleaning up after letting some creepy old mans great dane pound you in the ass and you throw him a 10.00 bill. "Hmm.... that was simply delightful... AND ... i've got class" ... but "class" has nothing to do with tipping.

The guys name is Weiner, god has fucked with him enough, let him keep his money.

really? everyone who doesn't agree with you is a "scumbag asshole" and "uncivilized"

sounds like a pretty miserable life to me. that means most of your days are filled with scumbags and uncivilized people.

you might be more happy in N. Korea where your only opinion is given to you by the Glorious Leader... then there willl only be one view, everyone will agree with you and it will make suffering through your life a little easier 2 cents:

not true

i was a waiter for many years. i rarely added tip onto the bill. and i had a 25% avg tip for many years at the better houses i worked at

The same thing that 99% of the other posts on this board have to do with it..

No, but there is one that says all parties of 8 or more will have a 20% gratuity automatically added to their bills. It's just that this idiot decided to take it off the bill, and didn't mention it to the customer, so the customer probably thought he was giving a reasonable extra tip on top of the 20%.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=784623

Joe Mac a.k.a. The Real Sinatra VS Ron Weiner, 'hot shot' lawyer in Atlanta

Where did I say that everyone who doesn't agree with me is a scumbag asshole or uncivilized? I said that reading threads like this makes it easy to tell who is and who isn't. I never stated my opinion on the topic at hand, (tipping) it's just that I saw a lot of very telling statements from people, on both sides of the issue.

You're really riled up about this huh?

I thought I explained what "America" had to do with something, but to elaborate, in many European countries, the tip is built into the menu price, and the service staff take a cut from the day's sales at the end of the day just as they might pool tips and split them here in America.

Insofar as "class" goes... yeah, you can't really buy it, but I'm not suggesting that anyone's "buying" anything, man... it just is. Just because you tip, it doesn't mean that you're classy, but I do believe that the inverse is true. Stiffing a waiter (again, your right to do), in my estimation, is a pretty significant indicator that you're not a very sophisticated individual.

Putting someone in a position to have to pay for working for you - not exactly justifiable, i think.

But as I implied, I wouldn't necessarily expect you to understand. :2 cents:

Yes and thats where I hate it in the States. They should be paid their min wage by the restaurant like any other worker. All it does is put the weight of paying the employee on the customer and you feel guilted into doing it no matter the service because you know they get paid $2.50 an hour. In Canada they get min wage which is in BC $8/hr. So they get paid. I tip when good service, I tip some for ok service and none for bad service.

In the US I tip no matter what because they paid jack and its a joke. I do make sure they know why they got "less" though. The real sad part is the cost of food in the US restaurants and the Canadian restaurants is barely anything, yet the US places pay $5 less per hour to each waiter/waitress on staff. So who really is the loser and winner?

ha. good point. kinda funny actually.

i also understand the difference between a big party and the demands of that big party vs two people having lunch and situations where it can be expected to add a service charge or gratuity to the bill.

i just don't agree that some waitress in some crappy restaurant is entitled, regardless of her performance, the overall experience and whether she earned it or not.

its fine to argue as forest is that tips are considered part of their wages. but that has nothing to do with the fact that just because most people tip, that tips are an entitlement regardless of quality of service.

to me, bad service deserves nothing... great service deserves a lot... average service deserves something.

Move to Australia - no tipping going on here :)

rile up?

how would i be "riled up"... contrary to your own inflated view of yourself, you are just pixels on a monitor.

jackass... we are basically saying the same thing... yet you "wouldn't expect me to get it"... because i have no "class" (using your best forum Donald Trump vs Rosie impression)

as you said above... i don't see tips as being an entitlement. of course i tip.


its not what waiters and waitresses gets paid that influences my decision. the hourly wage is lower because the hourly wage isn't their sole source of income on the job and has almost ZERO to do with their actual earnings. what they earn depends on them, their skill and whether or not they are professional and do a great job.

I thought you were "riled up" because you SEEMED to be quite upset about my original post in this thread. If that's a misinterpretation than I apologize.

I don't really have an inflated view of myself. I'm a small fish actually. I do have a rule against arguing on the internet though, so I have to leave now. :)

PS. the sites in your sig crack me up

I'm sorry but 8 people is not a "big party" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not sure why he needed help waiting on a table of 8? I've gone to restaurants with 20 people and had one server handling us AND other tables.

Oh, and you were a dumbass for assuming. You should have left the 20% on and called it a fucking day! Dumbass.

i Always added the tip if i noticed a canadian accent for this reason

not that they are cheap just that their system is different then ours

i did the same for most euros for the same reason

While tipping is still an option that is based on service it is still a common courtesy imho to tip atleast 15% if you received good service.

My avg tip starts at 20% as i was in the biz along time and i know how hard the work is. Now with that being said you can work your way down in the tip very easily and i have been known to tip 25 even 30% for exceptional service

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I just laughed so hard it hurt. Nice.

yeah but they add the "cost" of the waitstaff into the price of the food.

there is no difference in the end of the price of the meal generally

just here in the states u get the option to pay a little more if you get better service or not pay for the service at all

For instance some friends and i went to a national chain restaraunt last night. the waiter was fucking horrible and that reflected in a 10% tip

I always leave a tip. how much u get depends on how good your service is

Thas how you get visine eye drops in your drink and end up spending next 12 hours on the shitter. Never piss off waiter.. never..

Everyone I know in Canada tips typically at least 15-20% for normal-expected service. And I live in Canada too.

i can only assume that english is your 3rd language or that you are mildly retarded and someone is typing for you as you scribble out your message on a notepad with a crayon you are carefully gripping with your mouth.

i was simply saying that i can understand adding the gratuity to the bill for large parties. thats all. i wasn't trying to define "large party".

do you tip your full time caregiver thats wiping the drool from your mouth while typing for you?

Listen up douchebag, I was quoting your statement just as an example, I wasn't debating your post. But based on your response, which I find highly ironic, I can assume that English is your 4th language and your first three are; Ebonics, Dumbfuck, and Pig Latin (not in that particular order). Get over yourself, dumbass and if you're going to call people out for being retarded try looking at what you type first or at least have your overweight girlfriend proof read it for ya.

Thanks champ, now put your helmet back on. Don't want to fall and hurt yourself.

really? i stand corrected. it had been my experience when living in the keys that most canadians didnt tip well

my appologize to any offended canadians who tip

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Says the guy who can't use commas or paragraphs to save his life. :1orglaugh

i worked for a chef once who got so pissed off at a customer that he pulled out his nut sack and droped them right on to the clients fish

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that guy was nuts

:upsidedow

I lived in the Keys as well (Marathon) and there was an on-going joke.

What's the difference between a Canadian and a Canoe? A canoe tips. :thumbsup

For a full service restaurant it is a bigger party, for a diner its not. I agree about tipping at starbucks but at a restaurant. Also I would throw guess most of you never worked for a tip so you wouldnt understand.

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man u fucking crack me up

im glad our days of pissing with eachother are long gone

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you were quoting my remarks and commenting on the post that i quoted regarding the fact that most restaurants have a policy of adding the gratuity to the bill automatically if the party is X people or more. ... the main point being the fact that sometimes the gratuity is automatically added.... not "8 people" or 20 or 1000 or what was a favorite food of viking explorers ... not sure why you felt that remark needed some dissection, analysis and debate.

my only guess is that you found the paragraph tough, challenging and somewhat difficult to comprehend.

my bad. its not your fault... and i shouldn't be making fun of you for trying so hard.

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I'm picturing Jim Carey sucking in a huge gulp of air and spouting out why Einhorn is a man from Ace Ventura. :1orglaugh

most restaurants will add tip to parties of 6 or more

at chops which is fine dining ur doing a ton of table side work

its not just a matter of bringing u your food. wine needs to be opened and poured constantly. the dover soles and beef carving are very time consuming and a pain in the ass

i always hated having to do ceasers or dover soles table side. they take forever

Sorry, I don't speak Dumbfuck. Can you babelfish that and repost?

I'm through with you. Everytime I read one of your responses I lose a couple brain cells. Now fuck off, you're starting to bug me.

this is what we need... more communist retards playing "go fuckyourself grammar police" as if a forum for backwards assholes and societal outcasts is a gathering place for mensa members and people with doctorates in english





i thought the hall monitors eventually all grew up to security guards, obsessed with role playing games and star trek conventions.

i was wrong.

some become forum grammar police.

wow.

i'm having an off day.

i know you're furiously scribbling, crayon in mouth trying to scratch out "i know you are, but what am i" for your caregiver to type in preparation to my next reply to you anticipating name calling..

but i'm going to deprive you of the chance to use that witty and original comeback

sorry.

Good point.

Went to mortons all the talking and presenting. I was thinking to myself on a busy night this must really suck.

150 cheap ass tippers and 1 waiter with an attitude...

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...CowTipping.jpg

Anyone ever tip a cow?

ADG

:1orglaugh Yeah... no argument there. I always thought it was a bit much.

I guess I don't mind it so long as they don't give ya funny looks for not using it.

I imagine if I ordered something special-instructioned to death... like "a sandwich with this one one side, and that on another with this that and the other on the side, exactly 4 banana peppers, etc.," or if I opted to leave my stuff on the table for them to clean up after me, I might toss a buck in.

not really. most fine dining places have front and back waiters bus help wine stewards ect ect. but what most dont consider is all these people take a % of the tip

so this allows for more table side service from the front waiter and keeps the service at a level one should expect from a finer dining est.

Summary: If you are an Atlanta waiter, hotshot lawyer Ron Weiner doesn't tip worth shit.

Real Sinatra about to be fired for calling Ron Weiner out on being a low-tipping scumbag weiner.

Unfortunate. Pseudonyms could have avoided all this trouble. Now there are a dozen threads with Weiner all over em.