I went to see Obama speak today in Boston. - GoFuckYourself.com

Young · 10-23-2007, 09:28 PM

I've honestly never heard a better public speaker before in my life. Being a huge fan of his I've practically watched all of his speeches on YouTube. Yet he still managed to bring 90% new material and delivery. Guy has a great sense of humor and at the same time offers serious solutions.

My one gripe with the speech were the hecklers...Ron Paul supporters. Obama addressed them once, dismissed them and didn't skip a beat even though they kept yelling.

This guy could really change the U.S. for the better. It amazes me how many people I speak to on a daily basis that had never heard his name, or hear him speak. I encourage all of those people that I meet to watch the Democratic National Convention 2004 Keynote that he delivered.

I wish I brought a dig vid cam or at least a digital camera with mpeg but I didn't. The most I have are crappy Blackberry Curve pictures that are too dark to distinguish much of anything besides the stage.

I volunteered to shoot up to New Hampshire on Saturday or Sunday to get things started for the Primary. I figured it was a good chance to do some good work...plus the hot chic sitting next to me on the grass signed up to. Still not sure if I'm going though.

Definitely check out Obama when he comes around your way.

Chio · 10-23-2007, 09:36 PM

dissipate · 10-23-2007, 09:40 PM

fucking T was packed today with people going to see him speak..i hate that =(

SPACE GLIDER · 10-23-2007, 09:41 PM

he is good ... almost EVILLY so ....

DaddyHalbucks · 10-23-2007, 10:54 PM

I do not believe any black man can get elected President of the US. Maybe someday, but not today. There are still too many old fashioned voters out there. Don't forget the red states!

We will probably need to elect a female President first.

However, I am sure Obama plays well in an ultra liberal city such as Boston.

Personally, I would vote for Obama before I'd vote for Hillary. She is my absolute least favorite candidate... ever.

The best would be a pairing of Hillary and Obama. He would guarantee her defeat. But, I think she is too politically savvy to make a mistake like that.

Shaze · 10-23-2007, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I do not believe any black man can get elected President of the US. Maybe someday, but not today. There are still too many old fashioned voters out there. Don't forget the red states!

We will probably need to elect a female President first.

However, I am sure Obama plays well in an ultra liberal city such as Boston.

Personally, I would vote for Obama before I'd vote for Hillary. She is my absolute least favorite candidate... ever.

The best would be a pairing of Hillary and Obama. He would guarantee her defeat. But, I think she is too politically savvy to make a mistake like that.

So you pretty much think the Democrats are throwing away the next election if they elect Obama as the candidate for the Democrats? I think the US really wants too see change, and now is the time for a black President to be elected more than any other time in history because of the bad taste the Republicans have left in American's mouths.

But if your right then I would vote for Hillary, because I have a feeling the race between the Democrats is going to be between Hillary and Obama.

Snake Doctor · 10-23-2007, 11:07 PM

If you watch his announcement speech, or his speech at the 2004 convention and don't get goosebumps and/or flashbacks of JFK and RFK, you probably don't have a pulse.

kane · 10-23-2007, 11:11 PM

I still think he is basically running for vice president. He has been about 20 points behind Hillary for months now and has done little to try to close that gap. Maybe he has something big planned as the primaries draw closer, but I think he is just getting out there and running his campaign and trying not to overly piss anyone off so that Hillary will pick him up as her vice pres.

BannerAnt · 10-23-2007, 11:18 PM

he'd make a great president, too bad the majority of voters are too ignorant to accept it...and prefer keeping their heads up their asses.

BannerAnt · 10-23-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaze

So you pretty much think the Democrats are throwing away the next election if they elect Obama as the candidate for the Democrats? I think the US really wants too see change, and now is the time for a black President to be elected more than any other time in history because of the bad taste the Republicans have left in American's mouths.

But if your right then I would vote for Hillary, because I have a feeling the race between the Democrats is going to be between Hillary and Obama.

like it matters their skin color...what it's time for, is a president who can think for himself.

Snake Doctor · 10-23-2007, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

I still think he is basically running for vice president. He has been about 20 points behind Hillary for months now and has done little to try to close that gap. Maybe he has something big planned as the primaries draw closer, but I think he is just getting out there and running his campaign and trying not to overly piss anyone off so that Hillary will pick him up as her vice pres.

I doubt that.
The 20 points behind thing is meaningless at this point in the game.

Here's a poll from Dec 2003, which is two months later in the cycle than where we are right now.

CBS News Poll, December 14-16, 2003
Dean - 23%
Clark - 10%
Lieberman - 10%
Gephardt - 6%
Sharpton - 5%
Kerry - 4%
Edwards - 2%

The eventual nominee was polling behind Al Sharpton for crying out loud.

I also don't like all these remarks the media is making about "he's not doing anything to close the gap" and "he's got to go after Hillary"
Fuck the media, they want to cover a mudslinging match, it's good for ratings.

You can't be the candidate of "hope" and a "new kind of politics" and then run dirty negative ads about Hillary.
Obama doesn't have to do anything but keep delivering his message, the voters will do the rest

DaddyHalbucks · 10-24-2007, 12:41 AM

I trust Obama more than Hillary. Heck, I trust anyone more than Hillary.

Shaze · 10-24-2007, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BannerAnt

like it matters their skin color...what it's time for, is a president who can think for himself.

Maybe to you and me skin color doesn't matter but to a large population of the United States it does!! sad but true.

pocketkangaroo · 10-24-2007, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I trust Obama more than Hillary. Heck, I trust anyone more than Hillary.

Just curious as to why that is?

TidalWave · 10-24-2007, 01:39 AM

He is very refreshing, I think I will be voting for him.

kane · 10-24-2007, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

I doubt that.
The 20 points behind thing is meaningless at this point in the game.

Here's a poll from Dec 2003, which is two months later in the cycle than where we are right now.

CBS News Poll, December 14-16, 2003
Dean - 23%
Clark - 10%
Lieberman - 10%
Gephardt - 6%
Sharpton - 5%
Kerry - 4%
Edwards - 2%

The eventual nominee was polling behind Al Sharpton for crying out loud.

I also don't like all these remarks the media is making about "he's not doing anything to close the gap" and "he's got to go after Hillary"
Fuck the media, they want to cover a mudslinging match, it's good for ratings.

You can't be the candidate of "hope" and a "new kind of politics" and then run dirty negative ads about Hillary.
Obama doesn't have to do anything but keep delivering his message, the voters will do the rest

That is true. numbers often don't tell the story. The story will be told in after the first 4-6 primaries are held. If he does well there, he is a legit candidate, if not he is in big trouble. A lot of candidates are hanging on right now waiting for those first primaries and hoping they come out of nowhere with a big win. Most will go away after the first few are held though.

I do like that he is focusing on his message and not slinging mud, sadly he is up against the Clintons and nobody slings mud like they do.

Matt 26z · 10-24-2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The best would be a pairing of Hillary and Obama. He would guarantee her defeat.

If the Democrat ticket is the first female president and the first black vice president, do not assume that the racist and male chauvinist hicks in the red states would guarantee their defeat.

Such a ticket would open up a very agressive equal rights debate in the media. Americans would be influenced by this. There is a whole segment of the US population out there who support equal rights and would vote in an election they would otherwise stay home for.

I actually believe that a Hillary / Obama ticket would all but guarantee victory.

GreyWolf · 10-24-2007, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I trust Obama more than Hillary. Heck, I trust anyone more than Hillary.

Trust is an odd word to use about candidates - pity that was not the basis of voting in the last two elections

PS BTW - Trust and politicians of any kind is a non-runner.

kane · 10-24-2007, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

If the Democrat ticket is the first female president and the first black vice president, do not assume that the racist and male chauvinist hicks in the red states would guarantee their defeat.

Such a ticket would open up a very agressive equal rights debate in the media. Americans would be influenced by this. There is a whole segment of the US population out there who support equal rights and would vote in an election they would otherwise stay home for.

I actually believe that a Hillary / Obama ticket would all but guarantee victory.

I wouldn't guarantee them a win but they would be very hard to beat.

A lot of people say that there are too may redneck/hick type people in this country to vote for them. In reality those people are not going to be voting for any democrat no matter who it is. It doesn't matter if Jesus himself came back, if he is running as a Democrat he isn't going to win Texas, Oklahoma and other deep south states.

Hillary and Obama would be an actual change from the "old white guy' standard we get every four years and it might be enough to actually motivate the unwashed hippy left to get out and vote. Factor that in with the fact that the country is still awash in a republican backlash and you find yourself with a pretty tough to beat ticket in clinton/obama.

Sarah_Jayne · 10-24-2007, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dissipate

fucking T was packed today with people going to see him speak..i hate that =(

The T is a nightmare when it is packed. Even worse than the London tube because of the way the trains are designed.

Young · 10-24-2007, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

If you watch his announcement speech, or his speech at the 2004 convention and don't get goosebumps and/or flashbacks of JFK and RFK, you probably don't have a pulse.

I encouraged a friend of mine who couldn't make the rally and didn't know much about Obama to watch it. She called me 20 minutes later to thank me.

Part 1 - 2004 DNC Speech
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MNCLomrqIN8

Part 2 - 2004 DNC Speech
https://youtube.com/watch?v=56-m8wx1mwo

If you have a spare 20 minutes I encourage you guys to watch it.

And yes the T sucks. I took it in from Quincy Adams but had my girlfriend pick me up in Boston and she drove me back to the parking lot. So I'm not quite sure what the 9pm ride home looked like....but judging by the amount of people there (10k-12k) I'd say it was a long ride for some.

Noe · 10-24-2007, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I trust Obama more than Hillary. Heck, I trust anyone more than Hillary.

Can I ask why you don't like Hillary? The reason why I like her is because she's smart enough to know Bill's value, and what we need right now is someone who is strong in economics and foreign policy=Bill. Sure, Obama seems more likeable, but Bill is the reason why Hillary has my vote.

Angie77 · 10-24-2007, 08:34 AM

It's definitely between Hillary & Obama for me.

Alky · 10-24-2007, 09:21 AM

Obama totally turned me off to him last week or so when he was on CNN defending that he couldn't make it back from New Hampshire to vote on a major bill because he was at his HQ.

His excuse was something like... well we don't know what we are voting on every day.

To me he just seems inexperienced... maybe in the future, but now I don't think he is right. He's a very smart man, and good speaker... but... is that good enough? No.

Platinum Dave · 10-24-2007, 09:33 AM

I'd rather have Obama then Hillary. But any Dem is good for me.

ProjectNaked · 10-24-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Young

...Still not sure if I'm going though.

you still in Boston??? I just got here

Snake Doctor · 10-24-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Noe

but Bill is the reason why Hillary has my vote.

Bill is the reason Hillary will get ANY VOTES and to me that's the problem.

GAMEFINEST · 10-24-2007, 02:00 PM

His good

Bdiddy · 10-24-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

If you watch his announcement speech, or his speech at the 2004 convention and don't get goosebumps and/or flashbacks of JFK and RFK, you probably don't have a pulse.

That announcement speech was amazing. Gave me chills.

hollinator · 10-24-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Bill is the reason Hillary will get ANY VOTES and to me that's the problem.

Amen to that.

I like Obama and I also felt the same the first time I heard him speak. What an amazing presence. Great all the way around. My problem with him is inexperience. I think that will be his ONLY downfall, if anything. Give him another 4 years and things will be different. I don't think he's ready quite yet, though I would love for him to be.

If Hillary gets elected President - I'm moving to another country...

crockett · 10-24-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Young

I've honestly never heard a better public speaker before in my life. Being a huge fan of his I've practically watched all of his speeches on YouTube. Yet he still managed to bring 90% new material and delivery. Guy has a great sense of humor and at the same time offers serious solutions.

My one gripe with the speech were the hecklers...Ron Paul supporters. Obama addressed them once, dismissed them and didn't skip a beat even though they kept yelling.

This guy could really change the U.S. for the better. It amazes me how many people I speak to on a daily basis that had never heard his name, or hear him speak. I encourage all of those people that I meet to watch the Democratic National Convention 2004 Keynote that he delivered.

I wish I brought a dig vid cam or at least a digital camera with mpeg but I didn't. The most I have are crappy Blackberry Curve pictures that are too dark to distinguish much of anything besides the stage.

I volunteered to shoot up to New Hampshire on Saturday or Sunday to get things started for the Primary. I figured it was a good chance to do some good work...plus the hot chic sitting next to me on the grass signed up to. Still not sure if I'm going though.

Definitely check out Obama when he comes around your way.

I like him too bad he likely doesn't have a chance to win.

sextoyking · 10-24-2007, 02:33 PM

Hillary will get the nomination.

She will not choose Obama as her VP but once she is elected and gets to nominate her first Supreme - guess who it will be....

Obama......

Pornwolf · 10-24-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Bill is the reason Hillary will get ANY VOTES and to me that's the problem.

This is true.

Take Bill out of the equation and she would be behind Edwards.

She'd still have some support, but ya gotta be realistic, most of her support isn't support for her... it's for Bill.

That's a problem if you think about it.

Snake Doctor · 10-24-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Alky

Obama totally turned me off to him last week or so when he was on CNN defending that he couldn't make it back from New Hampshire to vote on a major bill because he was at his HQ.

There isn't 1 member of congress, not 1 out of all 535 of them that has been at every vote.

NONE of them.

If it was a close vote on something important I'm sure he would have made it. The vote you're probably referring to was the NON BINDING resolution declaring part of Iran's military a terrorist organization.

Yeah, he should definitely be flying back to Washington to vote for every non binding resolution instead of running for president.

Snake Doctor · 10-24-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

This is true.

Take Bill out of the equation and she would be behind Edwards.

She'd still have some support, but ya gotta be realistic, most of her support isn't support for her... it's for Bill.

That's a problem if you think about it.

It's definitely going to be a problem in the general election.

Rudy and Romney are already going after her on this issue, saying "she's never run a corner store, never run a city, never run a state, never had to meet a payroll, never run anything"
Yet she claims to be the candidate with the most "experience"

The dems love Bill Clinton and because of that are wearing kid gloves when going after Hillary, because they can't afford to offend the base.....but in the general election the gloves come off and saying "I was around when my husband did the job" isn't going to cut it.

tony286 · 10-24-2007, 08:05 PM

Im not hot on Hilary to me she is the same bullshit we have now. I like richardson but he doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell.

SPACE GLIDER · 10-24-2007, 08:41 PM

When that guy speaks you DO feel something. You feel "stirred". It's almost ...evil ...

Snake Doctor · 10-24-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SPACE GLIDER

When that guy speaks you DO feel something. You feel "stirred". It's almost ...evil ...

He makes you proud to be American, like Reagan did.

TheMaster · 10-24-2007, 08:56 PM

Obama speeches great, but I still am not certain what he stands for.
"Change" sure, but what change, he never seems to define it.
(Basically the same doubts/frustrations as Cenk from The Young Turks is having and now that lame ass defence of his campaign about that anti-gay priest singing at his rallies)

Of the possible nominees, at this point I'm hoping it will be Edwards, seems he might be the most forcefull in strenghtening the middle class (and then the dollar will go up again

).

BUT the true agent for progressive change would be MIKE GRAVEL, so stop calling him nuts or whatever and actually listen/read what he's proposing

Snake Doctor · 10-24-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMaster

Obama speeches great, but I still am not certain what he stands for.
"Change" sure, but what change, he never seems to define it.
(Basically the same doubts/frustrations as Cenk from The Young Turks is having and now that lame ass defence of his campaign about that anti-gay priest singing at his rallies)

Of the possible nominees, at this point I'm hoping it will be Edwards, seems he might be the most forcefull in strenghtening the middle class (and then the dollar will go up again

).

BUT the true agent for progressive change would be MIKE GRAVEL, so stop calling him nuts or whatever and actually listen/read what he's proposing

This post is hilarious.
I can tell you exactly what Obama stands for, and if you really wanted to know all you have to do is go to barackobama.com

You can't do this yet you think that all of us should listen/read what Mike Gravel is proposing???

TheMaster · 10-24-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

This post is hilarious.
I can tell you exactly what Obama stands for, and if you really wanted to know all you have to do is go to barackobama.com

was going by what I saw in several debates, news reports and interviews

and when he proposes a plan it always seems a half measure, wish he would stop playing it safe and be a progressive democrate, the liberal/progressive/left wing of the party is waiting for someone to truely put it's support behind

damn Chris Dodd comes in 2nd on DailyKoss, just because he shown some backbone this week
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/22/132221/88

DaddyHalbucks · 10-24-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Just curious as to why that is?

How much time do you have?

Travelgate is a big reason, knowingly causing criminal charges to be filed against an innocent man. Alleged massive campaign finance fraud is another. Allegedly stealing public owned furniture and antiques from the White House is a third. Her socialist healthcare agenda is yet another.

Hillary is my least favorite candidate of all time. Literally, I would for for anyone before voting for her.

Az A Bay Bay · 10-24-2007, 10:00 PM

C O N G R A T S!!!

DaddyHalbucks · 10-24-2007, 10:03 PM

And Bill is no plus.

TheMaster · 10-25-2007, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Alleged massive campaign finance fraud is another. Allegedly stealing public owned furniture and antiques from the White House is a third. Her socialist healthcare agenda is yet another.

!Alleged

also stop spreading those Republican talkingpoints: Hilary's healthcare agenda, have you seen the plan? It's far from what the rest of the West has, which you would call socialist, but the rest of the world calls CIVILIZED and non-barbaric

TheMaster · 10-25-2007, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

And Bill is no plus.

yes Bill was disastrous: world liking you and a strong dollar

SPACE GLIDER · 10-26-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

He makes you proud to be American, like Reagan did.

He really does. It feels good. Be great for the majority of Americans to feel proud again instead of wasting so much energy putting down (and dividing) half of our house.

Special Ed · 10-26-2007, 12:28 PM

Could OBAMA eventually be after OSAMA...rotflol...wtf eh?

2012 · 10-26-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Young

This guy could really change the U.S. for the better.

Mr. Magoo could change this place for the better compared to what we have now.

B_Maverick · 10-26-2007, 12:48 PM

Obama may very well be a fantastic candidate for President...and may very well make an excellent President. I have heard him speak as well and was quite impressed.

Sadly, he has two things going against him...and both are ridiculous reasons...but you can't fight the truth.

The U.S. is still too backward to accept a black man as President.
The U.S. is far too judgemental to accept a man with a name like Barak Obama as president.

It is sad that we cannot focus on a man for who he is, instead of what he is.

10-23-2007, 09:28 PM	#1
Young Bland for life Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,468	I went to see Obama speak today in Boston. I've honestly never heard a better public speaker before in my life. Being a huge fan of his I've practically watched all of his speeches on YouTube. Yet he still managed to bring 90% new material and delivery. Guy has a great sense of humor and at the same time offers serious solutions. My one gripe with the speech were the hecklers...Ron Paul supporters. Obama addressed them once, dismissed them and didn't skip a beat even though they kept yelling. This guy could really change the U.S. for the better. It amazes me how many people I speak to on a daily basis that had never heard his name, or hear him speak. I encourage all of those people that I meet to watch the Democratic National Convention 2004 Keynote that he delivered. I wish I brought a dig vid cam or at least a digital camera with mpeg but I didn't. The most I have are crappy Blackberry Curve pictures that are too dark to distinguish much of anything besides the stage. I volunteered to shoot up to New Hampshire on Saturday or Sunday to get things started for the Primary. I figured it was a good chance to do some good work...plus the hot chic sitting next to me on the grass signed up to. Still not sure if I'm going though. Definitely check out Obama when he comes around your way. __________________ ★★★

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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	I still think he is basically running for vice president. He has been about 20 points behind Hillary for months now and has done little to try to close that gap. Maybe he has something big planned as the primaries draw closer, but I think he is just getting out there and running his campaign and trying not to overly piss anyone off so that Hillary will pick him up as her vice pres.

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10-26-2007, 12:28 PM	#48
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10-26-2007, 12:48 PM	#50
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