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theking · 10-05-2007, 02:06 AM

A person I know lost his wallet. He went to the DMV with his birth certificate to get new ID. He was told that he had to present his social security card which of course he did not have since he lost his wallet. He then went to the Social Security Department and they told him he could not get a Social Security card without ID. Both departments said that this is current policy imposed since sometime after 9/11.

This presents the Catch 22. Has anyone here had this problem and how did you resolve it? My only advice to him was to write to his congressman about this Catch 22 and see what the congressman advised.

theking · 10-05-2007, 02:22 AM

I am going to be keeping this towards the top for awhile.

Deej · 10-05-2007, 02:23 AM

ive seen this very instance and i never seen it resolved... both require the other and neither will budge without the other...

the person in your case may have a chance, they have lived there for awhile? Im sure a landlord or something of the sort can get this settled... or help...

the case I seen was with a guy that had just moved to town and had his stuff stolen... either right after arriving or while coming to town.. had nothing but his car... he couldnt get a job without a social security card and id... couldnt get a place to live... i dunno what happened to him

heres a bump

GrouchyAdmin · 10-05-2007, 02:29 AM

Ok. Watching McGuyver can come in handy. Twenty years later. I suppose.

Get a notorized copy of your birth certificate. With this, apply for a passport; you can have the picture taken at any Longs/Wallgreens. They won't ask for ID. Take your documentation to the nearest post office and pay the incredible fee to have it processed and mailed. This may take a couple months unless you pay for expedited shipping. This can be used as proof of identification.

purplehaze · 10-05-2007, 02:37 AM

bump for this guy...that's a tough situation.

aico · 10-05-2007, 03:35 AM

Why do you need a Social Security card to get a license? you don't have to be a U.S. Citizen to get a drivers license.

theking · 10-05-2007, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by aico

Why do you need a Social Security card to get a license? you don't have to be a U.S. Citizen to get a drivers license.

You have to have ID to get an ID or drivers license. He has his birth certificate but that is not enough ID so they demand a Social Security card along with his birth certificate as well as proof of residence...which he also has.

Barefootsies · 10-05-2007, 04:44 AM

aico · 10-05-2007, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

You have to have ID to get an ID or drivers license. He has his birth certificate but that is not enough ID so they demand a Social Security card along with his birth certificate as well as proof of residence...which he also has.

Does he still have his last expired license or a Passport?

theking · 10-05-2007, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by aico

Does he still have his last expired license or a Passport?

No. He lost his wallet. The only thing he has is his birth certificate and proof of residence.

Chris · 10-05-2007, 04:53 AM

i was able to get my id w/ my voters registration card .. birth cert and high school diploma

you just need 3 VALID id's and all three of those worked

aico · 10-05-2007, 04:58 AM

some other ID's that are acceptable the the Department of Homeland Security are a Baptismal Certificate, Census Record, & a School Record, so I would think they would be acceptable for the DMV.

theking · 10-05-2007, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

i was able to get my id w/ my voters registration card .. birth cert and high school diploma

you just need 3 VALID id's and all three of those worked

Has that been since 9/11? When the offices open today I am going to call the Social Security Department and DMV so I will have first hand information as I believe there must be a way to comply.

theking · 10-05-2007, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking

Has that been since 9/11? When the offices open today I am going to call the Social Security Department and DMV so I will have first hand information as I believe there must be a way to comply.

Well...I called and talked with both departments. He does not have anything that will satisfy the DMV. Social Securtiy had originally told him that he had to have his birth certificate (which he has) and a picture ID from either a drivers license or state ID card or a passport (none of which he has) and that they are not any substitutes.

I went online with the Social Security department and it states that there are certain substitutes that are accepted in place of the picture ID and one of them is a current health insurance card with a date of birth on it (which he has). So he is going to go to the Social Security department Monday and give it another shot. Once he gets a new Social Security Card issued he then can comply with the DMV.

Sly · 10-05-2007, 01:40 PM

If none of those work, have him go meet a local congressman or even somebody from the city council. They will be able to help him out.

darknight · 10-05-2007, 01:50 PM

yes i have,,,, do you have a work id.. birth certificate,, proof of residency(mail), and get an identifcation card from dmv,, then get liscence....i guess its the price of freedom..

Trixie Racer · 10-05-2007, 03:45 PM

My purse was stolen two months ago. Inside was my drivers license, sheriff card, social security card, medical marijuana card (issued by Nevada DMV), and my passport.

What I brought in to get my replacement drivers license:
- old tax return (proof of social security number)
- credit card
- utility bill
- photocopy of passport
- copy of police report

DMV told me over the phone that this would not be good enough. However, it was.

JakeR · 10-05-2007, 04:28 PM

why do people carry around their social security card?

stevo · 10-05-2007, 05:53 PM

My dog just chewed up my wallet, so im replacing my drivers license right now...

In Florida you can do it online for $10 - you just need to type in your social security # and birth date - and they mail it to you. No other verification needed.

DateDoc · 10-05-2007, 06:03 PM

I had a similar predicament and it was a pain in the ass to resolve. Fortunately I had an old passport, sent it with the paperwork to get a new one to the consulate, called them up and said I needed it asap and they sent it back in like a 2 day turn around. Made an apt to go to homeland security, explained I had lost my permanent green card and they stamped my new passport saying I was legal and that was valid for 6 mos until the new card would arrive. Took the stamped passport down to DMV and got a license that was valid until the stamp in the passport ran out then when I got the new permanent card I went down and got a license that is good untl 2011.

theking · 10-05-2007, 09:07 PM

Thanks for the input guys. Apparently different states have different requirements...with some taking 9/11 more seriously than others.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 10-05-2007, 09:17 PM

I faced a similar situation, although it was pre-9/11. I took a notarized copy of my birth certificate and military discharge (DD-214) and was issued a new Social Security card.

Tell your friend to ask them if that means he doesn't have to pay social security taxes... j/k

ADG

eroswebmaster · 10-05-2007, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trixie Racer

My purse was stolen two months ago. Inside was my drivers license, sheriff card, social security card, medical marijuana card (issued by Nevada DMV), and my passport.

You actually have in your possession a "sherrif's card."

When I applied and received mine, they didn't give me anything, just said my SS# was my sherrif's card.

10-05-2007, 02:06 AM	#1
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	Need advice on a Catch 22 A person I know lost his wallet. He went to the DMV with his birth certificate to get new ID. He was told that he had to present his social security card which of course he did not have since he lost his wallet. He then went to the Social Security Department and they told him he could not get a Social Security card without ID. Both departments said that this is current policy imposed since sometime after 9/11. This presents the Catch 22. Has anyone here had this problem and how did you resolve it? My only advice to him was to write to his congressman about this Catch 22 and see what the congressman advised. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

10-05-2007, 02:22 AM	#2
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	I am going to be keeping this towards the top for awhile. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

10-05-2007, 02:23 AM	#3
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	ive seen this very instance and i never seen it resolved... both require the other and neither will budge without the other... the person in your case may have a chance, they have lived there for awhile? Im sure a landlord or something of the sort can get this settled... or help... the case I seen was with a guy that had just moved to town and had his stuff stolen... either right after arriving or while coming to town.. had nothing but his car... he couldnt get a job without a social security card and id... couldnt get a place to live... i dunno what happened to him heres a bump __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880 Last edited by Deej; 10-05-2007 at 02:26 AM..

10-05-2007, 02:29 AM	#4
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10-05-2007, 02:37 AM	#5
purplehaze Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: LA Posts: 168	bump for this guy...that's a tough situation.

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aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	Why do you need a Social Security card to get a license? you don't have to be a U.S. Citizen to get a drivers license.

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Chris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: icq: 71462500 Skype: Jupzchris Posts: 27,880	i was able to get my id w/ my voters registration card .. birth cert and high school diploma you just need 3 VALID id's and all three of those worked __________________ [email protected]

10-05-2007, 04:58 AM	#12
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	some other ID's that are acceptable the the Department of Homeland Security are a Baptismal Certificate, Census Record, & a School Record, so I would think they would be acceptable for the DMV.

10-05-2007, 01:40 PM	#15
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darknight Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 278	yes i have,,,, do you have a work id.. birth certificate,, proof of residency(mail), and get an identifcation card from dmv,, then get liscence....i guess its the price of freedom..

10-05-2007, 03:45 PM	#17
Trixie Racer Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: varies Posts: 2,328	My purse was stolen two months ago. Inside was my drivers license, sheriff card, social security card, medical marijuana card (issued by Nevada DMV), and my passport. What I brought in to get my replacement drivers license: - old tax return (proof of social security number) - credit card - utility bill - photocopy of passport - copy of police report DMV told me over the phone that this would not be good enough. However, it was. __________________ Make a Red Cross Donation!

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10-05-2007, 05:53 PM	#19
stevo Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 2,051	My dog just chewed up my wallet, so im replacing my drivers license right now... In Florida you can do it online for $10 - you just need to type in your social security # and birth date - and they mail it to you. No other verification needed.

10-05-2007, 06:03 PM	#20
DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	I had a similar predicament and it was a pain in the ass to resolve. Fortunately I had an old passport, sent it with the paperwork to get a new one to the consulate, called them up and said I needed it asap and they sent it back in like a 2 day turn around. Made an apt to go to homeland security, explained I had lost my permanent green card and they stamped my new passport saying I was legal and that was valid for 6 mos until the new card would arrive. Took the stamped passport down to DMV and got a license that was valid until the stamp in the passport ran out then when I got the new permanent card I went down and got a license that is good untl 2011. __________________

10-05-2007, 09:07 PM	#21
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	Thanks for the input guys. Apparently different states have different requirements...with some taking 9/11 more seriously than others. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

10-05-2007, 09:17 PM	#22
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	I faced a similar situation, although it was pre-9/11. I took a notarized copy of my birth certificate and military discharge (DD-214) and was issued a new Social Security card. Tell your friend to ask them if that means he doesn't have to pay social security taxes... j/k ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)