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Jace · 10-06-2007, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by esnem

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bvZ2roRDPYU

https://youtube.com/watch?v=yZ9o1KHi-mY

Quick Buck · 10-06-2007, 05:20 AM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GJunv3Leqjs

CurrentlySober · 10-06-2007, 06:36 AM

300 Scammers!

Rui · 10-06-2007, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by esnem

I have never based my business decisions on the GFY morality surfer police

No need for you to clarify on that, its pretty easy to see how you do evaluate your business decisions

Edit: You must have magical powers btw, if you dont know them or (...) they are surfers, yeah!

Rui · 10-06-2007, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by scoreman

Can you make more money doing this type of cross selling? Sure, of course. Does it take advantage of the surfer and bend him over? Yes of course. Anyone who denies this just isn't credible.

The same arguments I am hearing from those who think this is ok, are the same arguments that we heard about mailers and selling and buying membership databases. I am sure that even the hardcore crooks like the Babenet crew or Crescent who flat out ran bogus billings against credit card databases could also rationalize about how it makes alot of money or how others have done it for years.

The real truth that these people don't want to face up to is that its totally possible to make great money being upfront and ethical with your customer base. Your just being greedy and contributing to the adult industry being viewed as a bunch of scumbags.

Nice to see old timers actually thinking like that, then again many that don't aren't around anymore (after milking the industry) or have seen their bottom line decrease over the years (hence the need to support and rely on content theft, spyware,etc..)

tony286 · 10-06-2007, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by esnem

tony, can you name the mainstream dot com you worked for because you bring it up almost daily as to lend to your credibility. what was your role in the organization?

alienq, you giving shap business advice is fucking hilarious. shap will piss on you any day without even noticing. your head is far up your ass.

pocketkangaroo, you're an idiot. get out of this thread.

RichC makes more money than you 3 combined. in a month.

Please show links from the past 14 days, show 7 and I will tell you. I signed up affiliates from the small affiliate site had to have at least 100k a month in traffic to webmd and when the lay offs started and my boss quit it was just me. The main thing they did was insurance software and the net wasnt happening for them like they hoped.
Even without mainstream , Ive owned my own sites for 7 plus years and its how Ive made my living for the past 5. So when cb ratio's drop or things like paypal go out of business I feel it because it fucks directly with my business.if you get klixxx and pull out oct 06 issue im on the cover

tony286 · 10-06-2007, 08:09 AM

correction I meant paypal go out of the adult business.

Phoenix · 10-06-2007, 08:14 AM

i skipped this whole thread

Shap if you dont want to make the most money...that is your choice,
but publicly calling another company scammers....that is sorta low

maybe you should make another 5500 page view thread where you apologize

want to make the most? hire someone that knows about PPS affiliate programs

its not rocket science

[illnet]-Romeo · 10-06-2007, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

what I think Visa/Mastercard needs to do is initiate some sort of "solid charge" process, which means the surfer has to go through more hoops to use his card on certain sites (i.e. extra verification methods, etc.) and then if they chose to charge back, they can't...and then visa needs to tell us "hey, porn surfers can ONLY use the "solid charge" cards/method on your paysites"

it doesn't have to be exactly as I said, but something so that porn card charges can't be charged back, or they can be, but it is VERY hard

as it stands now, anyone with a Visa card can charge anything back at any time with NO hassle...and that is HORRIBLE

Congratulations, you've somehow managed to make the most ignorant post in this thread.

tony286 · 10-06-2007, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

i skipped this whole thread

Shap if you dont want to make the most money...that is your choice,
but publicly calling another company scammers....that is sorta low

maybe you should make another 5500 page view thread where you apologize

want to make the most? hire someone that knows about PPS affiliate programs

its not rocket science

Again thats all fine if a business worked in a bubble,they dont. Others actions affect the whole industry not just that one company.

12clicks · 10-06-2007, 08:42 AM

I predict this thread will take a turn for the dumb now that the weekend has arrived and the pretenders show up

will76 · 10-06-2007, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

I guess yer owned at this point.

Go to bed, say your tired or something, or ya gotta go sit at the pool with some whores rather than argue on a web board...

I know, ya got better things to do right?

owned

yeah man, you owned me. Your logic trumpts mine and i am just an idiot. thanks for pointing it out.

Where did I go? considering it was about 4am I went...... to sleep. Something I prefered doing rather than sitting up and arguing with the wall. I mean you.

You are a complete moron, which everyone knows. I never said i was against free trials. I even said 1 pre checked cross box appears to be the standard and i don't see anything wrong with that. Your reading comprehension sucks.

BTW, just because I think someone doing 3 pre checked cross sales, or 5 that matter is "greed" doesn't mean I am not going to do business with them. If they want to do 100 prechecked cross sales thats their choice. Besides pointing out that I think it is stupid and done so for greed, but that is just my opinion. My post here were in response to your idiot logic that more prechecked boxes the better, because it ads value for the surfer, which makes you look like as smart as rock for making such comments.

good job owning me rock.

Snake Doctor · 10-06-2007, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

Shap if you dont want to make the most money...that is your choice,
but publicly calling another company scammers....that is sorta low

I could probably make the most money by selling crack to kids.
I guess if I don't do that and instead choose to call crack dealers scumbags then that makes me a bad businessman and "low" for calling the crack dealers names.

Quickdraw · 10-06-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Quick Buck

....

Any comments about the spyware popping your join page over ccbill join pages?

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Originally Posted by Quickdraw

Here is something else with XXXpass.

This came up as I was checking out a sponsors CCBill join page. (I had to make the popup smaller so you could see what it popped over.)
The trigger was "bill.ccbill.com"
Hotbar == Zango

jpv · 10-06-2007, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

It's amusing that many of ya people think Subscribers to websites are dumb unintelligent Larvea with credit cards.

I think many of you need to update your thoughts on the intelligence of todays average adult site subscriber.

They are not dumb people, they are smart enough to know where free content is, dumb enough to know how to share content, dumb enough to propogate to the best Free porn has to offer, all the way to the best TGP's and Video sites.

Surfers and subscribers are not dumb, many are just as smart as you or me.
Sure there are a couple dumb ones once in a while that stand out, kinda just like they do on GFY as webmasters.

SO the argument that surfers do not see the cross sales and pre check's or even the option to check is flat. You would know this if you ran a FREE TRIAL program or had inside knowledge of it's workings.

People are not dumb???

Here is a perfect example:

People sign up to my site and choose their username and password. They get an email confirming their username and password. They go to my login page... on my login page I have a notice "your username and pass is cAsE SenSItivE" so I won't get so many emails from members who enter their login with the wrong case.

So what happens?...

Every day my password security was shutting down the username "cAsE" because these morons were entering "cAsE" as their username and "SenSItivE" as their pass! I had to permanently ban the username cAsE!

but people are smart

pocketkangaroo · 10-06-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by esnem

pocketkangaroo, you're an idiot. get out of this thread.

Coming from someone who thinks it is legit to IM friends and have them sign up under your affiliate code on a PPS sponsor, I'm not too upset.

TheAmericanCannibal · 10-06-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by J$tyle$

That's not what I was saying at all.

Seriously, re-read my post and DON'T read between the lines. I meant exactly what I said. Read carefully ... all of it ... read about friendly fraud - read about webmasters wanting HUGE PPS $$$ and not wanting to wait to get paid a little bit per month spread out like an annuity ... clearly understand the way most webmasters prefer to get paid and how that affects the way some companies choose their path to profitability.

BTW, does that mean you think CB ratios should be STILL be 5%? Honestly? 5 out every 100 people SHOULD be able to charge back and that's an acceptable number of dissatisfied customers to you?

You can blame those playing the high risk game for the state of the business today or blame them and everyone else in the food chain - because the simple fact is that things are the way they are for many reasons.

Here's a short list. You can

* Blame CC-Bill and Paycom for allowing mom and pops to enter the business for $750 and crappy paysite designs with shitty content.

* Blame surfers wives for calling in to reverse charges when WE KNOW their husbands whacked it to a porn site twice last month while some webmaster just made $30 - $50 and the program is upside down on those sales.

Blame the guys that sign up and cancel 2 minutes after signing up while some webmaster just made $30 - $50 and the program is upside down on those sales.

* Blame Webmasters for wanting MORE than a one months membership to refer a sale.

* Blame NATS for allowing 100's of programs to open doors for pennies per month featuring sites with 20 video clips and 100 image sets.

* Blame TGP's.

* Blame Tube sites

* Blame P2p Networks

Or just work harder and smarter yourself and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and trying to place blame.

You seem like a good guy, Tony - but you have a propensity to take things out of context a lot when you post. None of this is personal

Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!

J$tyle$ just used the word "propensity" in a post on GFY!
Now I have seen everything.

PS GO CLEVELAND INDIANS!!!!

will76 · 10-06-2007, 09:10 AM

IMO: someone who has prechecked cross sales is not scamming people.

If they choose to have 1,3,5, or 10 that is up them. I think everyone here(besides 1 idiot) will agree the surfer really doesn't want it and the sponsor only does it to try to make more money. Which is fine, but at some point it just gets rediculas. Either way it doesnt affect me directly so I really don't care. Im just calling it what it is, if people want to do it that is up them. Trying to make excuses for doing it lame. If you do it, why not just say " we do it to make as much money as possible because some people miss the checked boxes so we nail them."

fuzebox · 10-06-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by J$tyle$

* Blame CC-Bill and Paycom for allowing mom and pops to enter the business for $750 and crappy paysite designs with shitty content.

Ironically some of the biggest programs out there have the worst tours and worst content.

TheAmericanCannibal · 10-06-2007, 09:26 AM

pro·pen·si·ty /prəˈpɛnsɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pruh-pen-si-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun, plural -ties. 1. a natural inclination or tendency: a propensity to drink too much.
2. Obsolete. favorable disposition or partiality.

[Origin: 1560?70; propense + -ity]
?Synonyms 1. bent, leaning, disposition, penchant, proclivity.

maddox · 10-06-2007, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Yeah no doubt. And I'm sure they have a number of merchant accounts set up and ready to go to bounce business around if they lose one merchant account.

they cannot do this, if they will land on visa high chargeback program changing merchant accounts will not help

Mutt · 10-06-2007, 10:16 AM

let's drop the 'friendly surfer fraud' crap - that is only a problem when you are doing the type of sales scheme that originated this thread. ask anybody who runs a decent paysite without cross-sales and the % of 'friendly surfer fraud' is miniscule to non-existent.

Phoenix · 10-06-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

I could probably make the most money by selling crack to kids.
I guess if I don't do that and instead choose to call crack dealers scumbags then that makes me a bad businessman and "low" for calling the crack dealers names.

this thread is ridiculous

selling online memberships does not equate to crack dealing

i understand the desire to offer a quality product
but if you offer a quality product it shouldnt mean you choose to make less money.

make the money, customers can always cancel

r-c-e · 10-06-2007, 10:26 AM

I've jumped in rather late in this thread, however JStyles brought up a great point which I think a lot of people missed.

A lot of surfers do uncheck the cross sells, they do read join pages, they are seasoned members who have joined sites before, and know what a little tick in the box means. We don't have an amazing amount of new customers flooding into the market these days, most of them have seen the various billing pages presented by various companies, and know what the are getting into when they join.

will76 · 10-06-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by r-c-e

I've jumped in rather late in this thread, however JStyles brought up a great point which I think a lot of people missed.

A lot of surfers do uncheck the cross sells, they do read join pages, they are seasoned members who have joined sites before, and know what a little tick in the box means. We don't have an amazing amount of new customers flooding into the market these days, most of them have seen the various billing pages presented by various companies, and know what the are getting into when they join.

yeah thats a great point

so a lot of people know what the box means. but... so what? some don't. So whats the point, because "most" know about it, you can precheck them for 2,3,4,5 etc.. cross sales?

there is not value to the surfer. there is no "point" in doing this other than making more for the sponsor doing it. I can't believe people try to sugar coat it and try to make it sound like they doing it for the surfers benefit. It goes along the same lines of rebilling, its not for the surfers benefit, it is because most people forget to cancel.

I use rebilling and I would I would use 1 prechecked cross sale. I am not saying its scamming someone or that it doesnt make us money, i just think it is funny to see people justify it as a " benefit and value to the surfer". I do think 2+ cross sales is excessive and greedy but that is just my personal opinion. Some people think 1 cross sale is greedy, some might think it is 10.

tony286 · 10-06-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

yeah thats a great point

so a lot of people know what the box means. but... so what? some don't. So whats the point, because "most" know about it, you can precheck them for 2,3,4,5 etc.. cross sales?

there is not value to the surfer. there is no "point" in doing this other than making more for the sponsor doing it. I can't believe people try to sugar coat it and try to make it sound like they doing it for the surfers benefit. It goes along the same lines of rebilling, its not for the surfers benefit, it is because most people forget to cancel.

I use rebilling and I would I would use 1 prechecked cross sale. I am not saying its scamming someone or that it doesnt make us money, i just think it is funny to see people justify it as a " benefit and value to the surfer". I do think 2+ cross sales is excessive and greedy but that is just my personal opinion. Some people think 1 cross sale is greedy, some might think it is 10.

To me if it was based on bringing value to the surfer it would be done like amazon does. You place your order before the final screen , based on my choices it offers me other things I may enjoy none of it is prechecked. A few times I have bought extra things.

BradShaw · 10-06-2007, 11:24 AM

This thread should be filtered to those who have more then 1 year in the biz and can do more then 100 joins a day.... it would be less then a page.....

[illnet]-Romeo · 10-06-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw

This thread should be filtered to those who have more then 1 year in the biz and can do more then 100 joins a day.... it would be less then a page.....

No doubt.. I can count about 8 people in this thread that would qualify

Jace · 10-06-2007, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by [illnet]-Romeo

Congratulations, you've somehow managed to make the most ignorant post in this thread.

hey now, I never claimed to know anything about the way processing and banks work

but thanks for explaining why it can't be done

what is worse, me making a wrong post or you throwing names around and not initiating intelligent conversation?

I would love to know why what I said is wrong....I will be the first to tell you I have NO clue how it all works...I know I have paysites, I know I sign up for epoch and ccbill and put up my join pages, that is the extent of my knowledge

PunkRockXXX · 10-06-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Common Sense

AlienQ giving advice to people in this industry is like the local homeless guy giving stock tips to brokers.

10-06-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Coming from someone who thinks it is legit to IM friends and have them sign up under your affiliate code on a PPS sponsor, I'm not too upset.

Brad is here now, point it out to him. Go find a dead horse and beat it.

10-06-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Coming from someone who thinks it is legit to IM friends and have them sign up under your affiliate code on a PPS sponsor, I'm not too upset.

and it was casinos not PPS. again, brad is here...not sure why you brought it up to me.

Snake Doctor · 10-06-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

this thread is ridiculous

selling online memberships does not equate to crack dealing

i understand the desire to offer a quality product
but if you offer a quality product it shouldnt mean you choose to make less money.

make the money, customers can always cancel

No it isn't ridiculous. It's a moral question.

The purpose of the PRE-CHECKED cross sales is to hope that customers don't notice them so you can fleece every last dime out of them before they cancel.
Saying that they're giving additional value to the surfer is as preposterous as the people who say we should have torrent sites in case they need to download a backup copy of a DVD they scratched.

Offer all the cross sales you want, just don't pre check them. That's when I (and any other reasonable person) will believe that you're offering added value and not trying to trick someone.
The REASON they're pre-checked is that YOU KNOW more people don't read the fine print than people who do. If you truly believed that people wanted the additional offers and were reading the page thoroughly, there would be absolutely no reason to pre-check the cross sales.

Roald · 10-07-2007, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw

This thread should be filtered to those who have more then 1 year in the biz and can do more then 100 joins a day.... it would be less then a page.....

Why? Cause someone doing "only" 50 a day doesn't have a clue?

Btw I LOL'ed hard at the added value comment *rolleyes*

Angie77 · 10-07-2007, 11:44 AM

sig spot...

PunkRockXXX · 10-07-2007, 09:18 PM

bump for a great read

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-07-2007, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by esnem

and it was casinos not PPS. again, brad is here...not sure why you brought it up to me.

Darn I was hopin this idiot would chime in some more.

I miss Sless...
Vivid has lost its fuckin mind with this mental case.

makefuckingmoney · 10-07-2007, 11:39 PM

i still think all blame lies on the jews, look what they did to christ.

and now its on to billing.

this industry needs a mel gibson

Az A Bay Bay · 10-08-2007, 05:02 PM

hummmmm.....

NETbilling · 10-08-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by makefuckingmoney

i still think all blame lies on the jews, look what they did to christ.

and now its on to billing.

this industry needs a mel gibson

WTF - are you serious?

Mitch

10-08-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Darn I was hopin this idiot would chime in some more.

I miss Sless...
Vivid has lost its fuckin mind with this mental case.

Your post cracks me up. You speak as if Steven Hirsch has a clue who you are. You tried to tell Shap how to run his business and you think you know how Vivid should be run. Here's some advice, stop sucking the big boys' dicks. You don't have any experience in what you're talking and you're running around kissing ass. You've never had a merchant account, you've never managed a merchant account and you think that free trials keep chargebacks under 1% better than paid trials..you crack me up. You have no idea how big companies work in this industry, you've only worked at them.

xxxjay · 10-08-2007, 11:09 PM

looks like a pretty standard double precheck to me

Paul Markham · 10-08-2007, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Why do you think no one signs up for porn anymore and they all leech torrents?

I wouldn't trust us slimeball FUCKS either?

Exactly. Trick a man once shame on you, trick him twice shame on him. Surfers learn, some learn to watch out for this and others tar us all with the same brush.

Why does it happen? Because some affiliates are seduced by $50 PPS.
What effect does it have? Look at your ratios.

The problem is people send traffic to people who work like this. Cut the problem off at it's source and watch the money grow.

lazycash · 10-08-2007, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by esnem

Your post cracks me up. You speak as if Steven Hirsch has a clue who you are. You tried to tell Shap how to run his business and you think you know how Vivid should be run. Here's some advice, stop sucking the big boys' dicks. You don't have any experience in what you're talking and you're running around kissing ass. You've never had a merchant account, you've never managed a merchant account and you think that free trials keep chargebacks under 1% better than paid trials..you crack me up. You have no idea how big companies work in this industry, you've only worked at them.

Alienq did work for Vivid for six days before he was fired for incompetency, so he does have some experience working for the big boys.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-09-2007, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Alienq did work for Vivid for six days before he was fired for incompetency, so he does have some experience working for the big boys.

Actually I worked for Intertain Inc for 3 years
XPICS for 3 years
Sin City for 1.5 years
NetPond For 1 year or so.
Cybererotica 1.5 years maybe 2.

Those are just ones that can be traced in the public.
However there are many other private companies through out my time with some longer than 5 years and many relationships in business. Some building from scratch, bringing up affiliates programs with CCBILL, EPOCH, NETBILLING and son on an so forth.

But really my credential's and worth I like to keep fairly private it's pretty much no ones business.

PS: I had many reasons leaving Vivid and if I told you why...
Well there is no reason to, I want to just keep you in the dark it's alot more fun that way.

xxxjay · 10-09-2007, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Why does it happen? Because some affiliates are seduced by $50 PPS.
What effect does it have? Look at your ratios.

I agree 100%...programs have to do some unethical shit to squeze enough blood from a stone to cover that 40$ PPS that the webmasters demand.

In the end, it's the porn consumer that tired or being ripped off and takes their business to the torrent sites and I don't blame them.

Dollarmansteve · 10-09-2007, 07:52 AM

here's a fact for everyone to chew on: 75% - 80% of people uncheck pre-checked xsells.

That's A LOT higher than 'chance'. So you are telling me that 100% of the remaining 20-25% are 'scammed'? I don't think so folks.

10-09-2007, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Actually I worked for Intertain Inc for 3 years
XPICS for 3 years
Sin City for 1.5 years
NetPond For 1 year or so.
Cybererotica 1.5 years maybe 2.

Those are just ones that can be traced in the public.
However there are many other private companies through out my time with some longer than 5 years and many relationships in business. Some building from scratch, bringing up affiliates programs with CCBILL, EPOCH, NETBILLING and son on an so forth.

But really my credential's and worth I like to keep fairly private it's pretty much no ones business.

PS: I had many reasons leaving Vivid and if I told you why...
Well there is no reason to, I want to just keep you in the dark it's alot more fun that way.

no need to beat you up any more on a message board...all i will say is 10 years in an industry and nothing to show...thanks for proving my point.

PunkRockXXX · 10-17-2007, 02:59 PM

bump for a good read

Tempest · 10-17-2007, 04:24 PM

This was in interesting thread... I really don't have a problem with the pre-checked cross sales as long as they're not hidden with small text etc. like the old days.. The wegcash ones look pretty good IMO... And I suspect they've got it all figured out to turn them on and off depending on how close to the edge they run. That's what the biz model for those types of sites is, has been and always will be.

What's humurous about this thread is that ALL tgp owners that accept submissions (including you Shap), have been culpable in the entire charge back issue... We ALL accept galleries that we know have content on them that we know the site being promoted doesn't actually contain.. We all know that leads to a certain amount of chargebacks. It's gotten better over more recent years but we're all still to blame. So while it makes for good drama to call into question someone elses biz, in this case I really think it's entirely out of place.

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Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,462	i skipped this whole thread Shap if you dont want to make the most money...that is your choice, but publicly calling another company scammers....that is sorta low maybe you should make another 5500 page view thread where you apologize want to make the most? hire someone that knows about PPS affiliate programs its not rocket science __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

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will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	IMO: someone who has prechecked cross sales is not scamming people. If they choose to have 1,3,5, or 10 that is up them. I think everyone here(besides 1 idiot) will agree the surfer really doesn't want it and the sponsor only does it to try to make more money. Which is fine, but at some point it just gets rediculas. Either way it doesnt affect me directly so I really don't care. Im just calling it what it is, if people want to do it that is up them. Trying to make excuses for doing it lame. If you do it, why not just say " we do it to make as much money as possible because some people miss the checked boxes so we nail them." __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

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TheAmericanCannibal Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,086	pro·pen·si·ty /prəˈpɛnsɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pruh-pen-si-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation ?noun, plural -ties. 1. a natural inclination or tendency: a propensity to drink too much. 2. Obsolete. favorable disposition or partiality. [Origin: 1560?70; propense + -ity] ?Synonyms 1. bent, leaning, disposition, penchant, proclivity.

10-06-2007, 10:16 AM	#322
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	let's drop the 'friendly surfer fraud' crap - that is only a problem when you are doing the type of sales scheme that originated this thread. ask anybody who runs a decent paysite without cross-sales and the % of 'friendly surfer fraud' is miniscule to non-existent. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-06-2007, 10:26 AM	#324
r-c-e Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,070	I've jumped in rather late in this thread, however JStyles brought up a great point which I think a lot of people missed. A lot of surfers do uncheck the cross sells, they do read join pages, they are seasoned members who have joined sites before, and know what a little tick in the box means. We don't have an amazing amount of new customers flooding into the market these days, most of them have seen the various billing pages presented by various companies, and know what the are getting into when they join.

10-06-2007, 11:24 AM	#327
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	This thread should be filtered to those who have more then 1 year in the biz and can do more then 100 joins a day.... it would be less then a page..... __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

10-07-2007, 11:44 AM	#335
Angie77 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,356	sig spot... __________________ Best Conversions, Highest Payouts in the industry, Dedicated affiliate support: What more could you ask for? Sign up Today!

10-07-2007, 09:18 PM	#336
PunkRockXXX So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: the south Posts: 486	bump for a great read

10-07-2007, 11:39 PM	#338
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	i still think all blame lies on the jews, look what they did to christ. and now its on to billing. this industry needs a mel gibson

10-08-2007, 05:02 PM	#339
Az A Bay Bay Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,129	hummmmm..... __________________ Home of Ed Powers and america's next hot pornstar

10-08-2007, 11:09 PM	#342
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	looks like a pretty standard double precheck to me __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

10-09-2007, 07:52 AM	#347
Dollarmansteve Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,849	here's a fact for everyone to chew on: 75% - 80% of people uncheck pre-checked xsells. That's A LOT higher than 'chance'. So you are telling me that 100% of the remaining 20-25% are 'scammed'? I don't think so folks. __________________ I died.

10-17-2007, 02:59 PM	#349
PunkRockXXX So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: the south Posts: 486	bump for a good read

10-17-2007, 04:24 PM	#350
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	This was in interesting thread... I really don't have a problem with the pre-checked cross sales as long as they're not hidden with small text etc. like the old days.. The wegcash ones look pretty good IMO... And I suspect they've got it all figured out to turn them on and off depending on how close to the edge they run. That's what the biz model for those types of sites is, has been and always will be. What's humurous about this thread is that ALL tgp owners that accept submissions (including you Shap), have been culpable in the entire charge back issue... We ALL accept galleries that we know have content on them that we know the site being promoted doesn't actually contain.. We all know that leads to a certain amount of chargebacks. It's gotten better over more recent years but we're all still to blame. So while it makes for good drama to call into question someone elses biz, in this case I really think it's entirely out of place.