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#101 | |
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I'm not doing it now but I don?t see what?s wrong with it. I truly think the surfers are much savvier now and days and I don?t think this type of marketing deceives them anymore. what needs to stop is all the free hardcore content out there. Ask anyone what sites they surf and they will mention a big TGP or torrent now and days. which i never understood why free porn cant be censored and make people pay for it ![]() |
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I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I'm buying Xsells from anyone with their own merchant account.
As someone who understands risk management, I found some posts in this thread humorous but at the end of the day, we all can't know what some of us know. I'm paying top dollar for Xsells. find me, I'll make you rich. ![]()
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Webgurl you would hit me up about that, anytime.
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I know I'm being simplistic here, but there are 2 distinct models that MOST business owners in this industry follow.
Those that care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "paysite business". Those that do not care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "credit card processing and risk management business". Both are sound and profitable business models. Where one might say some practices are questionable or unethical another might say it's legal ... and ethics and morals are a matter of opinion. I remember reading a quote somewhere that said, "The corporation cannot be ethical, its only responsibility is to make a profit." Also, "When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses." People make business and personal decisions based on their on comfort level and risk tolerance. It's not all black and white ... there's lots of Grey in between. Personally, I see the positives in both business models. One is not necessarily better or worse. ![]() |
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The "12 Clicks" program" is savage. I'm not only an affiliate I'm also a board whore.
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I think this is the first time WEG has ever been called a scam.
Thats a damn shame, WEG has done great business for years, and have been very generous during them. There services and quality of service to members is solid as well. Its the ultimate insult. Seriously shame on you Shap...
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wow.. i made it to page 3 and found out paycom doesnt allow it anymore.. i doubt it's for moral reasons.
if i spent half as much time playing internet police as some people do, i'd be broke. |
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shap contact me on icq please.
or email actually airek at shanesworld if you can do it from a tiwstys address so no one pretends to be you on icq. have some related info not concerning this, but other things you might wanna know about. thanks |
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Yeah, good luck with that one, buddy.
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bump for shap on some impotent shit!!!
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Here is something else with XXXpass.
This came up as I was checking out a sponsors CCBill join page. (I had to make the popup smaller so you could see what it popped over.) The trigger was "bill.ccbill.com" Hotbar == Zango ![]() The prechecked cross sale on that page doesn't even get a 'fine print' star, or even addressed. |
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Free porn + the value of sites/programs suchs as Brazzers, Twistys, Movieroom, NScash, FTV, Karups, Braincash, Bangbros = BIG TIME recurring $$$$$$$$.
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#121 |
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It's called a precheck cross sale; it's not a scam, as it is in the terms and conditions.
People are allowed to opt out of them at the point of signing up, and can cancel during the trial; they will receive this information in the email which they receive after the signup.
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#123 | |
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I actually made a thread about this in 2006
https://gfy.com/it/613014-project-sponsors-prechecked-cross-sales-results-inside.html Weg was already doing this on a smaller scale. Quote:
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oh my oh my.
if i could only talk about some of the shit i saw proof of recently. ![]() all in due time. (like the wicked witch of the west peering into that crystal ball). fuck that bitch died though in the end. ![]() i might have to die for this information one day. ![]() remember me sons. |
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#125 |
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Hey, A1R3K, you are the man... but this cryptic posting shit has to stop mang. Haha
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#127 |
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lol ccbill sponsors got owned there eh?
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#129 |
It's coming look busy
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Umm has nobody noticed technically and possibly legally the cross sell with Astrix *** says it will renew at -$34.86
To me in plain terms and since most agreements are biased to the consumer when it comes to interpretation. A buyer should be credited $34.86 per month for remaining a member of that one pre checked cross sell. None of the others have a negative sign in front of them after all.
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this is an excellent thread.
i'm sure all the supporters have wegcash accounts. |
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Well the dollar sign does make it a bit obvious that it is US currency, though I will stand behind my earlier comment.
I hope they are crediting people that money, otherwise it could be a funny ass class action suit in my opinion.
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Ruh roh Raggy!
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#135 |
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So I'd like to know where you got the notion
Said I'd like to know where you got the notion To rock the boat Don't rock the boat baby Rock the boat Don't tip the boat over Rock the boat Don't rock the boat baby Rock the boat. Ever since our voyage of life began Your touch has thrilled me like the rush of the wind And your arms have held me safe from the rolling sea There's always been a quiet place to harbor you and me Our love is like a ship on the ocean We've been sailing with a cargo full of, love and devotion So I'd like to know where you got the notion Said I'd like to know where you got the notion To rock the boat Don't rock the boat baby Rock the boat Don't tip the boat over Rock the boat Don't rock the boat baby Rock the boat. Up to know we've sailed through ev'ry room And I've always had your tender lips to keep me warm Oh, I need to have the strength that flows from you Don't let me drift away, my dear When love can see me through Our love is like a ship on the ocean We've been sailing with a cargo full of, love and devotion So I'd like to know where you got the notion Said I'd like to know where you got the notion To rock the boat Don't rock the boat baby Rock the boat Don't tip the boat over Rock the boat Don't rock the boat baby Rock the boat. Rrock the boat Don't rock the boat baby Rock the boat Don't tip the boat over Rock the boat Don't rock the boat baby Rock the boat. |
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I'm not going all gung ho on it. I'm more curious to see if that is complete and utter fraud. It pops up a join page on another join page which is clearly there to trick the surfer who thinks he is joining the other site. It actually isn't too far from phishing scams you see online if you think about it. But I'm not an expert on it, so I'll ask and see what they think.
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In a study being reported today in Science, researchers had 11 chimpanzees at the Wolfgang Köhler Primate Research Center in Germany play this “ultimatum” game. One chimp, the “proposer,” sat beside the “responder.” The proposer pulled out a tray as far as he could. The tray held two dishes with raisins, separated by a see-through divider: one for the proposer and the other for the responder. The proposers first chose which tray to pull out; if the responder liked what he saw—and he could see how many raisins he and the proposer would each get, by seeing how many raisins were on each side of the divider—he accepted the offer by pulling the tray the rest of the way out. Both chimps would then chow down. If the responder did not like the offer, he refused to pull the tray the rest of the way out, and neither chimp got a snack.
If the dishes held the same number of raisins, the responder chimp almost always accepted a 50-50 offer and rejected a 100-0 offer. Unlike people, though, they rarely rejected 80-20 offers—only 5 to 14 percent of the time. And unlike people, who fume when confronted with unfair offers, the chimps almost never took umbrage, throwing a tantrum at an unfair offer a mere 2 percent of the time.
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The rest of the trolls up in arms over other companies billing models need to realize that WEG has made more people more money in this industry than you will ever be able to imagine. RichC said it best. This friendly, magical 'industry' that a lot of you think exists, doesn't. Nobody likes you, go home to not making any money on your 50/50 revshare split. |
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I have posted about someone using an illegal portal to XXXPass before, they have a bunch of portals all with illegal content. They take an url and use the .org or the like and use stolen content which links to the XXXPass signup form. From a previous post before, sorry for the semi thread hijack: If you know who is running the site above, or any of the sites below, that information would be great: http://www.arikaames.org http://www.almondtease.org http://www.carolcox.org http://www.celestefox.org http://www.brittanylove.org And there are a ton more. Except for Arika, I know for certainty that the sites listed above are not authorized to be using this content. I could list many more with the exact format, but I am sure everyone gets the idea. The sites are quite similar, quite a coincidence. If you know who runs these site and could help stop some of this theft I am sure it would be appreciated. |
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I agree, there are 2 types of paysite business models (with some grey area). The first type of business model uses crappy cookie cutter sites with dime a dozen content. The main objective of this business model is to over charge the surfer as much as possible after 1 to 3 days (usually $39.99 + xsells) and hope the surfer doesn't charge back and simply forgets about their membership so it will rebill every month. The second type of business model uses websites with good exclusive content and regular updates. Xsells and upsells are not emphasized, if used at all. The surfer is charged a reasonable subscription fee (usually somewhere around $24.95 per month). The main objective of this business model is to get the surfer to rebill willingly every month, based on the idea that the surfer enjoys the site and feels it provides value. Both business models work and are profitable, because in the first business model, the company makes $100 all in 1 pop by over charging the surfer (trial to monthly and xsells). The surfer usually then cancels immediately and is unhappy with the service. In the second business model, the company makes $100 also, but it is through 4 - 5 months of rebills. |
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Can you make more money doing this type of cross selling? Sure, of course. Does it take advantage of the surfer and bend him over? Yes of course. Anyone who denies this just isn't credible.
The same arguments I am hearing from those who think this is ok, are the same arguments that we heard about mailers and selling and buying membership databases. I am sure that even the hardcore crooks like the Babenet crew or Crescent who flat out ran bogus billings against credit card databases could also rationalize about how it makes alot of money or how others have done it for years. The real truth that these people don't want to face up to is that its totally possible to make great money being upfront and ethical with your customer base. Your just being greedy and contributing to the adult industry being viewed as a bunch of scumbags. |
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my point is, the FTC is a US agency
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shouldnt suprise anyone..when times get hard just sling more dirt on the competition. Popping iver join pages is just straight out being theives
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