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I really wouldnt care what anyone does and the dim people say its their business not yours but no one operates in a bubble actions effect others. When credit processing started online the cb ratio was what 5% now its 1%, paypal and amex pulled out. Those things didnt just happen to those playing the high risk game it happened to all of us. Surfers get burnt they stop buying porn, there are a ton of places where they can get it for free. It hurts all of us not just the business with questionable practices.Do I think checked cross sales are a scam no, its just not cool. |
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I guess people need to make up for all the lost sales they are losing to torrent sites.
But $120 a pop for a person who didn't notice the boxes, thats a lot. I could see maybe 1 membership for $30 bucks... thats just greed pure and simple. You have a surfer who wanted to sign up for your advertised " free trial" and you think he really wants 3 paid memberships at $120 total cost. That is extreme... It's funny but sad, on one hand you have surfers getting everything for free from torrent sites and on the other you have surfers taking it up the ass because they are too stupid to figure out how to get it for free. We sure know how to reward the people who are still willing to pay..... sad. I can *almost* not blame someone for trying to find it for free when they have to worry about missing a prechecked box and getting whacked for $120 a month.
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Seriously, re-read my post and DON'T read between the lines. I meant exactly what I said. Read carefully ... all of it ... read about friendly fraud - read about webmasters wanting HUGE PPS $$$ and not wanting to wait to get paid a little bit per month spread out like an annuity ... clearly understand the way most webmasters prefer to get paid and how that affects the way some companies choose their path to profitability. BTW, does that mean you think CB ratios should be STILL be 5%? Honestly? 5 out every 100 people SHOULD be able to charge back and that's an acceptable number of dissatisfied customers to you? You can blame those playing the high risk game for the state of the business today or blame them and everyone else in the food chain - because the simple fact is that things are the way they are for many reasons. Here's a short list. You can * Blame CC-Bill and Paycom for allowing mom and pops to enter the business for $750 and crappy paysite designs with shitty content. * Blame surfers wives for calling in to reverse charges when WE KNOW their husbands whacked it to a porn site twice last month while some webmaster just made $30 - $50 and the program is upside down on those sales. Blame the guys that sign up and cancel 2 minutes after signing up while some webmaster just made $30 - $50 and the program is upside down on those sales. * Blame Webmasters for wanting MORE than a one months membership to refer a sale. * Blame NATS for allowing 100's of programs to open doors for pennies per month featuring sites with 20 video clips and 100 image sets. * Blame TGP's. * Blame Tube sites * Blame P2p Networks Or just work harder and smarter yourself and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and trying to place blame. You seem like a good guy, Tony - but you have a propensity to take things out of context a lot when you post. None of this is personal ![]() |
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It's amusing that many of ya people think Subscribers to websites are dumb unintelligent Larvea with credit cards.
I think many of you need to update your thoughts on the intelligence of todays average adult site subscriber. They are not dumb people, they are smart enough to know where free content is, dumb enough to know how to share content, dumb enough to propogate to the best Free porn has to offer, all the way to the best TGP's and Video sites. Surfers and subscribers are not dumb, many are just as smart as you or me. Sure there are a couple dumb ones once in a while that stand out, kinda just like they do on GFY as webmasters. SO the argument that surfers do not see the cross sales and pre check's or even the option to check is flat. You would know this if you ran a FREE TRIAL program or had inside knowledge of it's workings.
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But I understand the catch-22 the industry is in. There are tons of programs and to succeed they are fighting over affiliates. To offer the highest PPS rates, you have to play the high risk game. |
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I'm sure many do see the prechecked cross sales. But lets be honest, they are prechecked to grab those people that don't notice it.
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Really?
I think my argument is flawless for the most part unless I'm missing something What do you disagree with the most? You don't think all the things I mention play into why things are the way they are today? Please tell. I want to hear your opinion. |
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It's not the only reason, and not even the main reason. Sure A FEW might not notice, but thats not the main and only reason they are pre checked. And it's not just for webmaster's either. Just like Rich C said it is a value ad to what they might be looking for.
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It is alot more generous than taking the funds immediatly on the subscribe, at least Free Trial sites offer access to see the site before becomming a member. There are many past and present that have abused the whole cross sale situation, I have seen them all, however WEG CASH is not one of those sort of companies whats so ever. Frankly if you ask me I think it is pretty scummy for people to transact a full month subscription without offering a free trial!!! How many shit heads out there have a shit member section after the money has been collected? A WHOLE LOT of shitty sites out there do that. That in my opinion is far more abusive. Twisty's captures funds before access! His members section is good, but I can see some subscribers going WTF! Because his site does not offer as much as SOME of the FREE Trial sites. Don't get me wrong, Twistys is a great site but all this is a matter of perspective to value and what a subscriber is willing to put on the table for access. Try Twistys for 24.95 up front or some pornstar mega site at a FREE Trial Program? People will go for the Free Trial alot of the time. Not every time but FREE VS. PAY and the logic renders itself.
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what I think Visa/Mastercard needs to do is initiate some sort of "solid charge" process, which means the surfer has to go through more hoops to use his card on certain sites (i.e. extra verification methods, etc.) and then if they chose to charge back, they can't...and then visa needs to tell us "hey, porn surfers can ONLY use the "solid charge" cards/method on your paysites"
it doesn't have to be exactly as I said, but something so that porn card charges can't be charged back, or they can be, but it is VERY hard as it stands now, anyone with a Visa card can charge anything back at any time with NO hassle...and that is HORRIBLE |
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I guess if they have many chargebacks from a webmaster traffic, they kick out of the program the respective webmaster, when the fault is theirs ...
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If it was simply about users taking advantage of a good offer, the boxes would be left unchecked. And major processors wouldn't mind their clients using the method on their websites. Quote:
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Hell if there is a chance they may like one out of three then why not increase the odds and let them see ten or more? Specially with 1.00 or even 3.00 trials it would be less or at least equal to many pay in advance high risk sites?
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the 1 and only reason for 2 or 3 prechecked cross sales = greed
Note to self, don't bother reading AlienQ's posts, its a waste of time. Following his logic, why stop at 3 cross sales, why not signup the surfer to 10, 20 sites, you giving them a value ad, why stop at 3, really give them some value, give them 50 sites and $2,000 worth of membership fees. Hell why stop at 50, give them 2000 cross sales, they could spend 72 hours straight trying to cancel them all and they still wont have enough time to do it. There you go, thats a plan. Give them so many membership sites to signup to that they wont be enough time in the day for them to cancel them all before the rebilling starts. 1 seems to be the accepted or common practice. I don;t think it is terrible if you offer 1 and give them ample time to cancel it. But anything beyond 1 is just pure greed. Where do you draw the line, why stop at 3, why not 5 ?
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Will some companies used to and possibly still do have thirty minute trials if I remember correctly.
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Well Will76 came into thread guess it's pretty much down hill from here people.
Threads dead.
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Point taken.
I am either on many peoples ignore list or Will gets read more often and I get skimmed over. ![]()
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will just writes a book with every rambling post, and on gfy anything over 3 lines is skipped over, so if you posted above or below him you are fucked
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Yer right Will76, I think ya should just be against the whole Free Trial thing I mean with Referral Matrix I am sure all the sponsors ya got on there do not engage in this practice of Free Trials and none of them do cross sales.
I bet they will be very glad to pay you for slamming the way they do business. Infact if you do not like the way they do business why do you even refer webmasters to them on that platform? How against free trials are you? Put up or shut up. If you are against it why do refer webmasters to them?
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If you are against this practice why do you got WEG Cash Announcements on your forum at Referral Matrix?
Why do you send webmasters to those programs to promote "The attrocity of Scamming" Consumers?
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I guess yer owned at this point.
Go to bed, say your tired or something, or ya gotta go sit at the pool with some whores rather than argue on a web board... I know, ya got better things to do right?
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