"What Europe gave the world in the last 100 years?"

Well, a lot actually.

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"Almost every American has some direct relation to WWII."

Yup. Most that I know. My grandfather served in the Navy. I have his medals.

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"we have bigger and better bombs. "

THIS is what makes America great. :-)
BIG EXPENSIVE WEAPONS!

(NOTE: Hockey makes Finland great. That is good too.)

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"In 1997, the United States gave $6.88 billion in non-military aid to developing countries."

Generous. Don't forget the military aid! Having a large population shouldn't be held against a country.

You a reader of the globalist?
http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/St...x?StoryId=1102

Dear liberal ControlThy.
I spent 5 months in so called EU 3 years ago. I am 35 years of age and only once in the states I had been stoped by cops for speeding. In those 5 months I was stoped about 20 times without any reason, and asked for ID. I think France is the worst.

ControlThy
I have a better idea. Since you dont like US stop using any US based program. I am sure you dont need bad US dollars. You can start your own European based programs and cheat each other, since most of the cheaters are Europeans.

Wow, that is so bad.

I have been to most EU states and never had these problems, I own real estate in several states so I get to travel alot and never was I stopped for speeding.

Maybe you shouldn't drive 100 miles per hour?

How about the blacks in the US that get stopped without a reason? Are they innocent too?

America is just a word but I use it.
Language keeps me locked and repeating.
All work and no play makes fletch a dull boy.
America is just a word but I use it.
Language keeps me locked and repeating.
All work and no play makes fletch a dull boy.
America is just a word but I use it.
Language keeps me locked and repeating.
All work and no play makes fletch a dull boy.
America is just a word but I use it.
Language keeps me locked and repeating.
All work and no play makes fletch a dull boy.

That's patently untrue. Sure, there were Nazi sympathyzers in Finland, just like there were in lots of other countries, and some collaborated. Finland didn't have a CHOICE about helping Germany, for the most part - and why shouldn't they turn to the only folks offering them help when they were attacked. Hell's bells, Russia finally won only through sheer numbers - they probably lost 10x the number of troops the Finns did.

The whole politics of WWII is a hell of a lot more complicated than most Americans realize. We sat over here watching the facists overthrow the elected government of Spain and did nothing. We watched the Finns attacked by Russia and did nothing. We watched the French and others be overrun and did very little.

Who said I don't like the US?

I don't use any sponsor programs except for 1 which isn't US based, so sorry.

"All work and no play makes fletch a dull boy. "

HAHA

"What Europe gave the world in the last 100 years?"

Well, a lot actually.



LOL
A lot is not a answer. Tell me what.

That fight in Turkey has been going on since 1920 (+/-), and it's been a constant struggle. They are fighting a serious fundamentalist political movement at the moment, from what I understand.

Two great leaders Europe gave us in the last 100 years:

<img src="http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERhitler2.JPG">

<img src="http://www.niagara.com/~freedom/accniag/s1936a.gif">

I guess you are not too smart. When They stoped me for speeding I deserved to be stoped. But I wasnt even driving in Europe. Like in Paris. I was just sitting on the bench and Cops asked for ID.

But I understand your point. You can not really miss what you've never had. And that is Freedom.

Not that I like her, but Hillary Clinton was even against the Kyoto.

Kyoto , another great idea from great European minds. Keep it on your side of the ocean please.

I agree with what max said .. except on one thing ..

"the middle class supports the rich on its taxes" .. that is pretty far from the truth... the rich supports EVERYONE .. 95% of the taxes here are paid by the uppoer 10% of the income population.

HOWEVER ... a lot of what he said was dead on. And for those of you non-US citizens who think that we are caught up with brand names and all that shit, can you please tell me why every FOREIGN familiy I see in the states is clad in an incredibly outlandish display of brand names. It's like I'm walking by a fuckin store! Asians, Middle Easterners, Mexicans, Europeans .. everybody blows their wads on brand name clothing for god knows what reason .. That's why Costco is blowing up, cuz you can get cheap ass name brand shit for almost nothing ...

One more thing. for those of you posting on this board talking about how shitty it is here in america ... please consider this... In your country you'd probably be lynched for publicly saying half the things you do on here.

Off the top of my head?

The radio (assuming marconi), theory of relativity, birth of quantum mechanics, neon lights, von braun's rocket, discovery of penicillin, aspirin, cathode ray tube, modern submarine, sold first automobile (benz), cloning (Dolly, Britain).

Porsche, Ferarri, mercedes, BMW, ...

Amazing number of great mathematicians (see Hungary), physicists, etc. many of which left Europe during WW II.

Many more I am sure. I have a poor memory.

OH! And the BIKINI!

OK if you compare cars to Death camps I rest my case.

Coming from you, don't make me laugh.

Well that must have been a traumatic experience for you Drew.

I guess so, that is why I envy your freedom so much.

But all of those are set back because of the introduction of the Speedo ... :throwup

Drew Pal,

I have never seen a more intelligent person than you, you must have had your education at Harvard university. Obviously not at Oxford university because that one is based in Europe..... and well we all know how you feel about Europe.

These European pseudo-intellectuals crack me up.

"The problem we have with America is that their government thinks they know what's best for the whole world. But they don't *I* and my countrymen do!"

The problem with perceptions is that you are always locked in your own.

American's (for the most) believe their perception is right and people from all around the world (for the most part) think their countries perceptions are right. Sometimes they agree and sometimes they don't.

When you break it down this way the only difference is power. Plain and simple power.

To be helpless when you think/know you're right is a horrible thing and often leads to a hatred of the "oppressor".

Pretty simple acutally -- but what do I know...

I'm only an American living in the Eastern Bloc.

:stoned


The Speedo was Polish invention I believe.

;)

Is the only comparison we Americans hear about is Switzerland? I commend the Swiss and how well their society works however they don't support a multi ethnic population of 250 million people. Also, how's that Nazi gold coming? You know, when you were supposed to be 'neutral?' Seriously though, you lived in the outback in the mid West. The US is as diverse as driving from one State to the next. Like how Europeans differ. The point that you so clearly miss is that we are unique as are our ideals. Our government may not be perfect but I never hear the Swiss government spearheading anything other than talks. Many times action is the appropriate course. Keep in mind, it is a big bad world out there.

My dear friend socialist ControlThy.
You are the one on this board posting you anti american BS. I dont care about EU. If your fucked up system works for you, it's OK with me. I dont call for stoping European companies enterin our market like you do. "OHHH Those bad American Fast food restaurants are poisoning us". You dont like their food dont eat there. But your socialist mind
can not take that people may have a choice to eat there.
Listen, we dont want your socialist system on this side of the ocean. We dont wanna pay high taxes.
We dont wanna pay high prices. We dont want your Kyoto and your other "smart fucked up ideas".

That's what I'm talkin' about... A little love. :thumbsup

And we are the pompous pieces of shit? Check yourself asshole!! Both of my grandfathers were in the war. One was a fighter pilot the other was in infantry. By a grace of god, both survived.

Captain Drew,

Again, I never said that I don't like the US.
But I guess that is too hard for you to grasp so this is my last attempt at getting that data to your brain.

Lets meet in New York next month and have dinner in your favorite junkfood restaurant, okay?

"if you compare cars to Death camps I rest my case."

Drew,

I don't think many people blame Nazi death camps on "Europe". That's something like saying Canada invented the light bulb because it is in North America.

Probably about as well as Ford, General Motors, Chase Manhattan Bank, and many other countries ... while we were belligerents.

Rights that are set forth by the Constitution of the United States are neither questionable nor should they be debated by uninformed quasi?socialist Europeans. (This is not to say that all Europeans are Socialists.) For one reason. It's not their business. I don't plan on BEING European, So I dont give a crap about their socialism? Just dont try to export it here.

ControlThy I dont eat in fast food reastaurants. But I want to have a choice to eat there if I want to. I dont need some bleeding heart liberals telling me how to live my life and what is good for me.

Talking about relatives in the war ... my father had a little disagreement with some law enforcement folks over some high-school bullshit in the summer of 1940, and he decided that joining the service was going to provide better accomodations than other options being discussed. Now, he listened to enough radio and read enough news to know there was a war coming (even if the Republicans in the Senate didn't), so he enlisted in the Coast Guard in the hopes of helping defend the Mississippi River from the Nazis.

At the train station when he was getting ready to ship out, his recruiter said, "Oh, by the way." Now, anyone who has been in the service knows that's not a good sign. The recruiter proceeds to inform my father that the Coast Guard becomes a part of the Navy during a national emergency, AND that Roosevelt had already declared the emergency. By March or April of 1941 my old man was on a WWI-era destroyer escort hunting submarines in the North Atlantic off Newfoundland. He also made two convoys to Russia and was close enough to the beach on D-Day (a DE is a very small ship) to see what was going on.

Why the bitterness Drew?
You seem so frustrated when it comes to Europe, I can't imagine what Europe has done to you to activate such strong emotions?

Well I am going for a walk, lets hope I can safely make it across the street without being stopped by a police officer!

Hey this is for that guy from Neutral Switzerland.
LOL Even your president tried to look like his friend Adolf.
Marcel Pilet-Golaz - President of Switzerland during WWII

<img src="http://www.admin.ch/ch/img/br-foto/55.gif">

Drew, did you get a bad batch of chocolate or a defective watch somewhere along the line?

I love America but I had a great fucking time in Europe.

Three words: ADULT FILM AWARDS.

Love ya, Cannes!

Now I am laughing. Everybody knows that Switzerland was nothing more than private bank for Nazis. That's why they let you live. But that guy looks like Adolf's twin brother.

Can any of us honestly say how we would have acted living in a Nazi occupied country when we cared and loved our family and friends?

Self-preservation of self and family causes a lot of interesting decisions.

Everything sounds so easy talking about something that happened 60 years ago to people we don't know (for many of us).

One last question for Mika:

If Finland even has a military, have you served in it? Let's not rest on the laurels of what our grandfathers did. If you love your country so much, and are so patriotic, have you fought for your country?

Everyone doesn't hate americans.

Yes I have served.
I haven't fought for my country, the ww2 was the last war Finnish were part of so I haven't had to.
I like to keep it that way.
I like peace.

You are right, that was a bad generalization. It just seems that most non-Americans do.

Most people dont hate everything american but some of it with fair reason i think.

Ive heard americans express good understanding why.

The way corporate and political america conducts business is percieved as bullish and provocative. I know this is how americans behave and compete nationally but its considered rude and agressive in many parts of the world.

When your in a group you need to show some consideration and understanding for the others needs and position. Especially if your the strongest part or you will look like a bully that pursues your own interst over the corpses of others...

The behaviour that the strongest decides, will give rise to a lot of hate even without any envy. Only leaders with some humility
are ever really loved....

I dont defend swiss banks. But what would you have done if you lived in Main and the rest of the US ganged up on you?

Undressed and mooned the tank commanders?

And who told you they didn't? Actually, 350 US volunteers went and fought on Finland's side. They were not the government troops, just 350 good people who went and fought for what they believed was the good cause. Same as thousands other volunteers from different countries did.


In all your arguments about the Winter War you're somehow bypassing the volunteers topic and choose "poor little Finland" attitude instead.

Or not speaking at all...

You forgot to mention this one:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/state/m...churchill1.jpg

<h1>Who Gives a Fuck?</h1>

Thanks for coming.

Bye bye now.

Bye bye.

Hey! What day is tomorrow?

This is the mindset of the losers. The winners don't see it this way.
If someone else is better than you an American thinks, "I'll find a way to do better" a european thinks, "that's so unfair that they're better. I don't like them":1orglaugh