curious to see what good comes from this post.

probable nothing after seeing the posts in this thread no one would be able to come togther on a group of outlines for each other..too many personal issues

This is Justin From XTube.Com
Alot of you either don't read or "skim" because you missed this

First things first. List all companies that profit from the theft of content. If you find evidence of financing piracy or blatant content theft, please post it here. We already know of a few that try to skate on the edges of the law to make a few bucks extra at the expense of others. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE PROOF!

I've been reading people uninformed, and ignorant replies on this board, and I am unimpressed. So I'm here to take care of business

1. If you think that we have 99.9 percent of illegal content on the site, then chances ares that they could be yours or those that you promote. i think that number is uninformed bullshit, thats to be expected for someone who doesnt work for a Tube. If you think you're shits being pimped without your permission, contact. We offer numerous way for both our users (meh) and our webmasters and our studios to get in contact with us. Email me, Justin [at] xtube [dot] co, catch me on MSN Support, support [at] xtube [dot] com. Dont be afraid to get a hold of me to vent. But you better have your shit together and your facts straight, and your examples ready. Nuff Said


2. If you want to find out whether your program will allow their content on our site, ask them. Its up to you not us to have permission to post your submissions. Again, if you dont use our Webmaster program on our site, this doesn't apply to you. Email me, Justin [at] xtube [dot] co, catch me on MSN Support, support [at] xtube [dot] com.

3. If you want to find out how to make money when posting your sponsored videos on XTube. Get a hold of me in the method previously mentioned.

And for all you others bashing the place I work for very hard and every day, come say that shit to me personally on MSN. Come make your case to why we're different than your crappy CJ's that users got tired of and came to us. Permission? Pffft that, like i said is a matter for the affiliates to decide, and if you are an affiliate and want to know how we protect your content here at XTube, get a hold of me as well.

I don't need a Better Business Bureau. I deal with this shit on a daily basis and I don't mind working with people so that everyone wins. And to the rest of you, Put up or shut up.

I was referring to AFF and Fling in this one.

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to which I replied:

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Translation: "This guy is just asking for it, I gotta see this. Oh and see sig."




Again, NOTHING disparaging or derogatory toward Fleshlight.

[QUOTE=kicks;12933406]Good plan, you have our support.

1. Shane's World
2. AlleyBucks
3. Mallcom
4. Webair
5. Octology Media (SexStuffSells.com)
6. EdgeX Media - Whores Illustrated
7. Naughty America
8. SinnersCash.com
9. HushMoney.com / Hush Hush Entertainment
10. RadicalCash.com
11. National Net
12. RackCo Web Hosting
13. Duke Dollars



we have not and will not tolerate ANY affiliate promoting us on infringing sites

I think the best way to go about it is to list why....

I will compile my list this way

Bad Business Decision Makers:

1 aff/cams/streamray Former Zango user, current torrent, passwordsite, rapidshare supporter
2 sexbankroll current zango user
3 sexsearch current zango user
4 movieprofits/wildcash current torrent supporter
5 hornymatches current torrent supporter
6 dating gold current torrent supporter
7 fleshlight current torrent supporter
8 fling current torrent supporter
9 avnads/adbrite sell ads on torrents
10 myfreepaysite torrent supporter
11 wegcash torrent supporter

I'll add more later, if anyone questions any of these let me know and i'll provide proof thanks...

damn no more party invites for me at shows.

:1orglaugh

I'll start whipping something up.....basically what we would/could need is a
modified review site type of system......and I happen to have something like
that laying around somewhere :winkwink:

When it's done we can see if we collectively can come up with a set a rules and terms.

Most of this brings into focus how the programs and content producers needs to tighten up their terms and conditions.

Sponsor content is used to promote the sponsor only.

Sponsor content, except for thumbnail representation, cannot appear on a page with any other advertisements except for the site in question and other sites that are part of the same program.

Sponsor content is provided as is. You chop video clips into smaller pieces, but you may not stitch clips together into longer clips.

Sponsor content with logos must retain the logo on the content.

you may not add your logos or urls to sponsor content. You may not attach headers and trailers to sponsor content videos.

You may not upload or distribute sponsor content through any third party site that you do not own or control. You may not post videos on tube style sites, you may not make the content available through P2P networks, and you may not post the content to newsgroups or other areas.

You may not place sponsor content in zips, compressed archives, or other "single download" format. All sponsor content must be presented in the original format, images as images, videos as videos. You have not been granted redistribution rights in any other format. You may not post the zip files you have downloaded from our content area.

Etc.

I'll start whipping something up.....basically what we would/could need is a
modified review site type of system......and I happen to have something like
that laying around somewhere :winkwink:

When it's done we can see if we collectively can come up with a set a rules and terms.

Ice, please give your legal department my contact information. I will need to speak them to identify and resolve whatever issues you have found that we have not.

Ice, please give your legal department my contact information. I will need to speak them to identify and resolve whatever issues you have found that we have not.

what an idiot. The law allows you to monitor each upload, it just says it is overly burdensome. In otherwords, you can use it for an excuse to have stolen content on your site. You're still an asshat because you know you have stolen content on your site and financially benefit from it, even if you can use this lame excuse.

Noob.

Thats Interesting way to look at things Raw Alex, Why would not want your videos promoted on a tube that forward people to your paysite? Are you afraid of oversaturation, theft, etc. Let me know what your concerns are, since I am one of the tube sites. It seems like i finally found someone who was clear and concise about what they will and will not do with there business

what an idiot. The law allows you to monitor each upload, it just says it is overly burdensome. In otherwords, you can use it for an excuse to have stolen content on your site. You're still an asshat because you know you have stolen content on your site and financially benefit from it, even if you can use this lame excuse.

Noob.

GITZINGER, Do yourself a favor and read my post. Nuff Said

If that's what you care about get out of adult now

I do not know what kind of contact you have had with these legalities surrounding this topic, and I am certainly not going to be coming to you for advise considering your OPINION is contrary to where my legal advise comes from - an actual lawyer.

I do not know how else we can phrase this so you people will understand... It is apparent understanding is not what people here are after, with all the name-calling and bashing going on. No one is interested in the facts anymore.

This is the kind of thing that each sponsor needs to make sure their WMs are aware of AND following. That was the case with TCG when they asked us to reject all WM content promoting their stuff. Nice and simple - they had rules that their WMs were not following so they asked us to help enforce them. We did and no one got hurt.

I don't think his point is that it's against the law. I think his point is that your company is using what is pretty much a loophole in the law.

I am fairly sure XTube actually does follow the DMCA. However, the DMCA is a huge problem for content owners. If they want to fight their content being used illegally, they have to police hundreds of sites themselves.

For small content producers/owners, that's impossible. It requires several full time employees - something they just can't afford. So, their content stays on sites like yours.

Meanwhile, you essentially profit from their content. That hurts.

Lance and Josh, what you guys are missing is exactly what Libertine is trying to say:

the "user generated content" model is based on a flaw that exists in the DMCA laws, which gives everyone the chance to remove offending material if notified. It creates a business model where the owners would have to be totally, utterly, and completely out of touch with reality to think that all of their content on their site is legal.

What is in store for that business model? http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...eed=technology

This is one of those cases where google is going to get it up the ass so hard the shit will come out of their corporate noses.

Your business model sucks, and is entirely dependant on the work of others being stolen and given to you. Tube sites are a the porn clip pawnshops, the fences for stolen content. Too bad that you guy can't seem to understand how hard you are biting the hand that feeds you.

and therein lies the main idea. remember in elementary school when you had to learn and identify the main idea of the story. there she is.

:thumbsup

that loophole will not be around much longer hopefully. thanks to the riaa and mpaa that little gem is gonna go bye bye.

another thing is these torrent sites and the like think they are protected under dmca. they have a false sense of security as some are going to find out the hard way.

:2 cents:

Can we please start with "Good Business Practice Guidelines" .. I think that will be the correct first step.

Also is there a few people who would like to donate sometime to working on writing up these gudielines?

It was not exactly my intention for this to become a bash fest ... it IS my intention to REWARD other people in the business taking a stand for our industry as a whole. The idea is that we can reward those people with higher payouts, marketing, deals, branding .. whatever. Basically an exclusive list of people we will do business with ... so that in the future .... GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE PAYS MORE!

xoxo,
Megan

SO NOW I WILL MAKE IT CLEARER FOR ALL YOU OUT THERE WITH A PROVERBIAL STICK UP YOUR ASS< IF YOU THINK XTUBE IS DOING BAD BUSINESS OR IS SOMEWAY HARMING YOU, GET IN CONTACT WITH US AND WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU. SURE YOU CANT FIND OUT WHETHER YOUR CONTENT WAS PUT UP BY A PERSON WHO WAS NOT ONE OF YOUR AFFILIATES, BUT WE CAN. THIS DEMONIZATION OF TUBE SITES STEALING IS RATHER BULLSHIT< NOW THAT YOU HAVE A COURSE OF PREVENTATIVE ACTION

Is this 'TheGoodTheBadandTheUgly' v 2.0 :)?

Yeah, I've got some free time I could donate.

Add to this please: the "new" 2257 is very much more restrictive on the whole issue of "innocent hosts". I think that tube sites that manipulate, manage, or redistribute content on webpages they own and control will find themselves on the shit end of the stick. Accepting a file and then re-publishing it makes you a secondary producer, like it or not. So even if you can dance on the head of the DMCA pin, the reality is you still have porn and you don't have the documents - by definition, you have to treat each and every piece of undocumented porn as if it was CP until you have the documents to prove otherwise.

Tube sites will be the napsters of 2008. TOAST.

Way to go there all caps dude.

Can you point me to any affiliate program that gives affiliates the rights to distribute content on sites they don't own? Any?

board lag got me :(

Megan, you are right. Sorry that our controversial website got in the way. This will be the final comment from XTube within this thread.

XTube is about amateur porn. We can completely cut off and prevent future DMCA violations, and I will outline that in a thread I am authoring right now. If you are interested, you will find it.

Dude, that's what all the tubes, torrent sites, newsgroup sites, filesharing sites, boards, etc say. There are hundreds of them. How are small businesses supposed to monitor them all, and contact them when something goes wrong?

Many adult sites are run by just one or two people. Monitoring all the filesharing sites is a full time job.

yup.


there is no justification.


just like its ethically unacceptable and morally wrong to profit from stolen property, its ethically unacceptable to profit and knowingly support the theft of content through financed piracy. doesn't matter if someone stole your neighbors t.v. and gave it to you to sell for a profit, you're still involved.


fact.

When will the first lawyer step up get a million dollar award for a company against one of these torrent sites? Do you think it will happen, or not?

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I have the same opinion of tube sites that I do of the local fence selling stuff that "fell off the truck". You don't have to be too fucking smart to figure out the stuff is stolen.

not torrents, but tubes are in trouble, see viacom versus google / youtube. Google is going to get it hard up their ass.

I nominate PRADult.com for the bad business list.