http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...9&postcount=34



http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...09&postcount=2

Fuck it I'll also gladly provide for free hosting/server space for a website
for this organisation without any strings attached. I'll even provide full
managed support to it. This is for a website and whatever other tech
stuff that will be part of this new organisation. Mail, scripts, verification
and review systems or whatever else depends on tech facilities.

i am waiting for every affiliate rep to hop in here and push their "good" program...
i can give a couple hours a week.. will keep me off gfy LOL

Good Business List

1. Shane's World
2. AlleyBucks
3. Mallcom
4. Webair
5. Octology Media (SexStuffSells.com)
6. EdgeX Media - Whores Illustrated
7. Naughty America
8. SinnersCash.com
9. HushMoney.com / Hush Hush Entertainment
10. RadicalCash.com
11. National Net

Can someone redo the list with links to sign up? (sorry DVD sales girl here) that way we can all make sure we start using them ..

xoxo,
Megan

Ok, I personally know nothing about Xtube so let me ask you this: Where does the content on your site come from and do you have the licensing for all of it?

If I take part in such organization then every company good or bad
will be reviewed and pro-actively be monitored. We'll need a screening
process and terms of agreement/service to which all companies will
have to agree and comply to.

:2 cents:

outsource this. for 1 dollar an hour. LOL


but a good idea.

Sounds like work. :)

Yeah, no problem, gimme a sec...

I bought something from amazon and it arrived BROKEN!!!!

I SECOND THIS =)

Have no idea how to do it .. but i second it. Bad list and good list has to be proven. No just throwing people under the bus to cause drama or to get yourself some more signups.

xoxo,
Megan

the only legitimate tube site is www.snizzshare.com

as far as i know. if there are legitimate tube sites that use clips longer than 30 secs that are sponsor approved, i would like to know so i don't attack them. i do know that there are some studios here in the valley that DO give their content.


and pornotube.com because its sponsor submitted. i think. i need to re look.

I had a very interesting discussion with Farley of AVN regarding adbrite. If you accept the AVN version of things, they are only leasing backend from adbrite, who provides the technology and support services to run AVNads, which I gather is suppose to be the exclusive provider for adult rated ads.

Farley described the situation as a "white label" of adbrite, and that AVN has no control over what their service provider does. He made it pretty clear that AVN is not going to walk away from this white label arrangement, I am suspecting that this has become a very profitable part of the AVN system.

I had a very productive discussion with Farley on all of these issues. However, the one thing that he came back to often (way to often in my opinion) is that "everyone is doing it, just Adbrite and AFF are more up front about it" and that most companies are profiting from torrent traffic.

From my point of view, the "all the cool kids are doing it" excuse isn't very strong. But that is where they stand and that is that.

AVN is very, very susceptible to financial pressure from the industry, IMHO. While many companies are in their back pockets, content producers are bottom line people who know the effects of torrents and the increases in losses as a result.

Someone in the Valley might want to start contacting these companies and letting them know the situation, and see if those content producers can't get on board to add pressure on these companies to stop doing business with the torrent sites.

Also, if someone has a more direct contact with Matt Cutts at Google, it might be time to start raising the issue with them as well.

id expect lawsuits if people populate the bad lists


im suprised some people havent already been sued into oblivion


kudos on wanting to do the right thing


but...be very careful

I must admit, that's a great way to phrase it.

Bad
 

Can someone privide links to the bad list too, so anyone that wants to can sign up for them as well. >;-)~ HEHHEHHEHHEH

First you need to know what our business model actually is. We are a VOD company that also does Hosting. We host user generated content as well as webmaster submitted content. Now if a user submits copyrighted content we can't police our site for it nor can we moderate so says the law. If you guys are going to make a stink on here and accuse companies of being "bad" know why first.

hmmmmmmn

I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt so I'm still waiting on an answer to this question:

a set of guidelines should be set up before anyone is added to a good or bad list

This can easily be done when we create a central report option on a website where people can file complaints NON ANONYMOUSLY. Complaints will be
investigated allong with proof that's submitted with the complaint. Companies
accused will be giving the option to respond and to REACT within a timeframe
before any decision will be taken regarding publishing on any list.

There will also be a dispute option where companies that have been added
to a list to dispute their listing so they can be reviewed and possibly removed
from the list when there's a valid reason todo so.

If we want to do this REALLY good we should not only restrict the terms
to advertising and marketing ethics but also with other rules which will
guarantee both companies and consumers in terms of fair trade/business
when dealing with these companies.

Things that come to mind are: value for money, billing/cancel policies, etc, etc. I guess the best to go forward is to collectively agree on what will
be included and what not.

Most important that whatever list is backed up by verifiable facts instead
of just by a club of bro's

This can easily be done when we create a central report option on a website where people can file complaints NON ANONYMOUSLY. Complaints will be
investigated allong with proof that's submitted with the complaint. Companies
accused will be giving the option to respond and to REACT within a timeframe
before any decision will be taken regarding publishing on any list.

There will also be a dispute option where companies that have been added
to a list to dispute their listing so they can be reviewed and possibly removed
from the list when there's a valid reason todo so.

If we want to do this REALLY good we should not only restrict the terms
to advertising and marketing ethics but also with other rules which will
guarantee both companies and consumers in terms of fair trade/business
when dealing with these companies.

Things that come to mind are: value for money, billing/cancel policies, etc, etc. I guess the best to go forward is to collectively agree on what will
be included and what not.

Most important that whatever list is backed up by verifiable facts instead
of just by a club of bro's

Same perhaps should go for the people who will take sitting in the organisation.

What do you think the lawsuit would say? "The defendants found my company advertising on a torrent site filled with stolen material, and with screen shots and proof, the posted about it in public?"

Are you fucking kidding?

if anything, the programs need to watch their ass because one of these days the affected affiliates will get together and sue the programs for not enforcing the terms of their contracts, causing financial harm to the affiliates by allowing disloyal competition for sales.

My prediction is that this all is going to get some ugly before the end of 2008.

Please don't get me started on you...

damn screwy gfy server

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


ok, since you use analogies so loosely.

so if you drove the car in a robbery would you be a co-conspirator? i mean you didn't really rob anyone, but you're benefiting from the crime. i'm sure you wouldn't be held responsible right?


user generated content my ass. you know damn well that the content is stolen. i can't wait till the new laws seal your little loophole up and your business model shrivels and dies the death it deserves.

you too take advantage of the hard work and investments of others. hiding behind the user generated content thing means crap to people who shoot content.

how does it feel to know that the things you buy come at the expense of others?

this thread should be stickied.

i see realitycash, playboy and adult.com shit everywhere too.

lens has a stake in content theft ruining his business too.

Why can't you police or moderate your own site until after the event?

Curious

Great question. Our content comes from our users. We have:

• Public Members
• Webmasters
• Amateurs
• Advertisers
• Studios

Public Members generate the content on their own. They retain all rights to it and grant XTube certain promotion rights during the upload process.

Webmasters must register their sponsors and provide linking codes for all uploads. Webmasters are not permitted to promote the following sponsors (either by sponsor request or by XTube recommendation): Sexstuffsells.com; Traffic Cash Gold (TCG); Titan Media; AEBN; Tube-style sites such as clips4sale.com, clips.com or PornoTube.com; GameLink; AMVC.com; or other VOD/Amateur sites.

Amateurs generate the content on their own. They retain all rights to it and grant XTube certain promotion rights during the upload process.

Advertisers upload their banners for advertising. They retain all rights to it.

Studios Submit their content to XTube under contract that outlines ownership etc.

To answer the second part, do we have licensing for it - yes. It is granted to us via our terms of use or via contract.

That's exactly what I mean.....after there's a clear framework with rules
regulations etc, then we can start populating lists BOTH good and bad.
Companies that want to apply for the good list will agree with such terms
and be reviewed to verify they comply with them. And randomly being
pro-activily re-reviewed to confirm they'll keep complying to it.

:2 cents:

Kurtis: here is a challenge for you. For 24 hours, ask all your users to supply supporting documents for the content they are submitting: Model released, 2257 information, contractual permission to use, etc.

You will get none.

If you spot inspected 1 out of every 1000 user submissions, you would likely find a 100% failure rate.

Your business model is "surfers go out and steal other people's stuff, and I give them space to run it and put ads with it, and then I remove the stolen stuff only when the person who stolen it sends me a complaint in writing with all the backup documents. until then, I profit from the theft, because nobody has been arrested for theft so it must be legal".

That is EXACTLY the mentality that puts you on the bad business list.

Once again, know what your talking about. Most of our content is put out by webmasters, webmaster have permission from the affiliates to post on TGPS or where ever they say is ok. If your going to bitch like like a little girl about content being "stolen" by user and posted, why not pull your thumb out of your mouth and e-mail us so that we can take it down instead of playing the poor little victim on a board.

there are some amazing ideas in this thread.

your support is needed and appreciated.

you have a lot to learn.

the content shouldn't be there in the first place.

period. you won't win this battle "we didn't know" all you want.

i don't need to argue with you.

have a great day.

Airek I have added you to icq, chat soon

no more like...this person here publicaly organised a crusade against my company...named us in public and asked people not to do business with us.
etc etc

hey but im not a lawyer...im sure shanes world thought this through completely and consulted with their lawyers before coming onto the largest industry board and gathering people for a stoning...im sure their lawyers told them nothing would happen for getting people to point fingers and take business away from multi- million dollar companies.