The Eminem Show

[ADL Colin]

A'ight everyone. I saw the Eminem Show on Saturday. Great show! Xzibit, Ludicris, and Papa Roach were good too.

Never thought I'd see 30,000 white kids at a rap concert. Audience? A buncha well-dressed, what i would assume were mostly middle-upper class kids.

Fights? None. Fights at last Metallica concert I wenrt to? 3.

Amazing MODERN stage set. Great audio-visuals. A true understanding by the people that put together the set of what will click in the mind of the MTV generation.The show began with about 10 minutes of CSPAN clips of polticians talking about how rap causes kids to be violent. Sure reminded me of the stuff they ysed to say about bands I listened to as a kid "Judas Priest, Ozzy Osbourne". Every generation has their scapegoat.

About classic rock: Asked my high-school aged sister if she could name a Beatle and she said no. I asked her if anyone in her class could. She said maybe 2 or 3 out of 30. She's an observant straight A student that has been president of her class 8 out of 10 years.

The times they are a changing.

[Jon]

my siblings can all name the beatles, they can probably name you all the albums and songs on them as well. just because your sister is an idiot doesnt mean every high school kid is.

[[Labret]]

As if geeking out on the Beetles makes them any better.

Its both Top 40 shit pop music.

[hahmike]

Originally posted by Colin


The times they are a changing.

thank fuck, hopefully their yellow submarine will get stranded at the bottom of the arctic barents sea.



let me try...

john lennon
paul mcartney
george harrison

that's all i know.

[ADL Colin]

"because your sister is an idiot doesnt mean every high school kid is."

Idiot? She's had a 4.0 GPA for 10 straight years, has been president of her school of her school for 8 of 10 years, and in a special program for Duke University watch list.

One of ya IS an idiot.

And let's really set the record straight .. in my first year out of college (1996), it was no different. I taught a Calculus and an algebra class at University High School in Orlando, FL so I have apretty damned good idea about it.

Just because she and her friends consider music from 20 years ago to be ancient. Just like we did doesn't mean she is an idiot. Those classic rock bands are getting close to cultural artifacts.

I was flipping channels on the radio this weekend and heard a Beatles tune of the Oldies Channel. OLDIES. What OLD people listen to.

[ADL Colin]

I'm not saying classic rock is bad, inferior, or whatever. Hell, I'm going to see Aerosmith next month and might go see Ted Nugent also. What I'm saying is a whole new generation of kids is coming along and to 90% of them, it is OLD. Sounds ancient to them. Not modern.

90% of you when you were growing up could not name any members of Bill Haley' The Comets. And it sounded old. Just because 10% of you could, doesn't mean the other 90 could.

Now, music is really heading for a change The marriage of hard rock and rap. There are 100s of bands playing this. If you listen to it and say "That's not music. What I listed to as a kid was music ..." all i can say if you finally got old and are stuck in the 70's ... JUST like you promised yourself you wouldn't.

My great grandfather thought big band music
was garbage.

My grandfather thinks rock is garbage.

My father think rap is garbage.

Which one was right?

[PhilipX]

There is an old quote
Old is gold.......The gold cannot be old. That's it.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Colin
JUST like you promised yourself you wouldn't.

I wouldnt say all of us. Some of us never bought into Top 40.

Aside from beat, there really is nothing different between Snoop Dog, Dre, the Beatles, Led Zeppelin. All of it was music for the masses. All of it was, at its time, Top 40 teenie bopper music. All of it... pulp. Filler, devoid of any soul. Music cranked out for the almighty dollar.

It all sucks.

[ADL Colin]

Labret,

I know the rule. Used to follow it myself. No longer do. As long as it sells less than x copies it is good.
As soon as it does, throw the CD away.

Some people don't read Stephen King because it is for the masses.

Some won't listen to pop because it is for the masses.

Some won't watch Survivor because it is for the masses.

Stephen King is a hack. Eminem is a white rapper sell-out, and Survivor brainwashed America into .. well, something. Interesting.

While we're at it, let's make sure we vote Libertarian because the Republicans and the Democrats are for the masses. Don't eat at McDonald's and sure as hell don't watch the Dallas Cowboys! ;-)

[[Labret]]

I hear what you are saying. However.

You will never convince me that pop music, top 40, is not devoid of anything worthwhile.

For example, this nu-metal rapcore phenom we have had to witness for the last year with bands like Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit. That genre was never spawned from some scene. You didnt have packs of rabid numetal fans prior to this. It was a created genre. Take the best of boy band crooning and mix it with some edgy "metal" and commence shoving it down teenagers throats until it is embraced and hundreds of clone bands start copying you.

There is nothing to it. Defeats the purpose of music entirely.

There are genres out there that will never see the light of day, with rabid rabid fan bases. People who make little or no money at all. I know, I am putting out their music. They do it for the love of the scene, for the love of the music. Not so one day they can fuck teenage girls and have mad bling.

Top 40 is for people that dont realize that music exists outside of radio and mtv. Mindless pathetic drones that gobble down and embrace whatever mtv tells them to. Nothing makes me sicker than someone who lists their top 10 and all you see are video bands. All that proves to me is you are cattle. You bought into it.

As for bands sucking after they sell out. You telling me its not the truth? Remember Metallica back in 87? Listened to them lately? Hear what happened to Hatebreed? Absolute Kings of Hardcore reduced to nothing overnight. Their old fanbase gone, replaced by kids who shop at hot topic. All integrity gone.

There is nothing good about being the flavor of the week.

[.:Frog:.]

Labret whats some good songs to download I might not have heard of?

[ADL Colin]

Labret,

Very well stated though I disagree.

When I played guitar in a band, I only listened to music of guitar players that I considered great. Real technical players with heavy classical and jazz influenced styles. Virtuoso playing. And I looked down at everything else. It was boring, for the masses, etc, "devoid of anything worthwhile".

Now, however, I see it a little differently. Some people listen to music for the music itself, others for the lyrics. Some people just want to hum a song. Some people RELATE to the lyrics of those that you see is completely "devoid of anything worthwhile". If someone relates to something it IS worthwhile For them, even if isn't for you, even if you have never had any kind of experience that is similar.

Take these lyrics, for example. A lot of people relate to this. I know someone that cried when they heard this song because it hit so close to home.

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i've got some skeletons in my closet and i dont know if no one know it

so before they throw me inside my coffin and close it, i'm gonna expose it

i'll take you back to '73, before i ever had a multi-platinum selling CD

i was a baby, maybe i was just a couple a months

my fagot father must had his panties up in a bunch

cause he split, i wondered if he even kissed me good-bye

no i dont, on second thought i just fuckin wish he'd would die

i look at halie and i couldnt picture leavin her side even if i hated kim

i grit my teeth and i try to make it work
with her at least for halie's sake

i maybe made some mistakes but i'm only human
but i'm man enough to face em today

what i did was stupid, no doubt it was dumb

but the smartest shit i did was take the bullets out of that gun

cuz i'da killed em, shit i woulda shot kim and em both, its my life

...

now i would never diss my own mama just to get recognition

take a second to listen who you think this record is dissin

but put yourself in my position, just try to in vision

witnessing your mama poppin prescription pills in the kitchen

bitchin, that someones always going through her personal shits missing

...

Remember when Roney died and you said you'd wish it was me

well guess what, i am dead, dead to you as can be

[[Labret]]

I dont know what I find more tragic, someone listening to Linkin Park for the music, or someone finding hope and inspiration in their lyrics. Lyrics written by a think tank of 40 year old fat white men whose job it is to write lyrics. Fact, the same people who created the Backstreet Boys are the same people who created Linkin Park. Pre-packaged corporate rebellion. Die your hair blue and put on the collar you bought at the mall you bad ass. You are so different, so original. Play your Eminem you fucking suburbanite wigger fucking wannabe. You are so hard, the streets of Padooka Kansas are a hard place to be raised. Word.

I will never be able to be convinced that any corporate produced top 40 band is anything more than just that. Created. Like a fucking Big Mac. Produced for public consumption. Devoid of any value at all. Serves its purpose for the moment, but 30 minutes later I need another.

Your definiton of music is broad. I have a very narrow anthro based view of what music is and what music is not.

I listen to some bands that are on corporate labels. I like my Danzig, I like my Misfits. But what seperates them from the chattle is that they came from a scene with a long history and they managed to retain that core element (for the most part) that made them who they are. Someone did not hand pick each member, give them a makeover, write all their music and lyrics, and then make a video.

Jennifer Lopez never even performed in front of an audience before her videos made it to #1. You call yourself a fucking musician?

When you find inspiration in a Limp Bizkit or Slipknot song, you did not get it from them. You got it from the guys who job it is to sit around all day and write pop songs.

And that makes you a fucking fool.

[ADL Colin]

Labret,

So what about movies? Someone writes it, someone else directs it, someone else acts in it. A casting director hand-chooses who will play which parts. By the same logic, someone is a fool for watching movies because they weren't written by the actors.

Who cares? They are still entertaining.

I like Linkin Park. Why do you consider that to be a tragedy?

Here are some Misfits lyrics, I am sure your recognize them. Please explain to me what is so deep about their personal experiences that makes them real and not, say, Linkin Park? I don't understand.

static static static
we're on a video rage
static static static
we're on a video rage

we're all blue from projection tubes
we're all blue from projection tubes

this is the static age we live in
our eyes criss, cross,
hold and gaze
this is the static age
we live in breathe in
catch your radiation blues
disease and turnin',
tossin' this is a static age
our very static age
this is a static age
static static static
we're on a video rage

static static static
we're on a video rage
and we're all blue from projection tubes
we're all blue from projection tubes

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The main guitar riff in this song is to play an E power chord 29 times ina row and then play an A, D, and E flat (then repeat).

I'm not judging what you listen to. I'm sure you relate to it and it sounds great. But, really, you are going to be so pretentious as to say the above is content-filled and important because they have a long history and Linkin Park isn't?

What in their long history made them so brilliant as to write the above?

[mika]

Originally posted by Colin

My great grandfather thought big band music
was garbage.

My grandfather thinks rock is garbage.

My father think rap is garbage.

Which one was right?

They're all right. In their own opinions. I guess true love for music is that you have your own taste for music, be it alternative or top40, be it very narrow or broad, and yet appreciate other music out there and the fact that other people like different stuff.

Btw, Labret, I think that being "alternative" is so popular today that it's no longer alternative. If 90% of the people consider themselves alternative, what's so alternative about it?

I donrt personally know anyone who admits buying a Shakira record, yet it was #1 a long time. It may be the best selling, that doesn't mean its for the masses. Or "cattle".

[Zilla]

You know, if you really think about it, it is stupid to argue about music. All forms of music have great things about them. I like Eminem. I like the Beatles and Zeppelin (don't be knockin' the Beatles), I like Beethoven and Shostakovich. I like Jazz. I like Country. There are good and bad songs in ALL styles of music. Music is something that must grow on you. For example, the first time I heard Eminem, I did not like him. Now that I have heard him more, I grew to appreciate his music.

That is what it is about: music appreciation. Music of all forms is an acquired taste.

I used to hate classical music. But you know what? That was because I never really listened to it. I mean REALLY listened. But, in during the course of getting my music degree, I really grew to appreciate it and now there are some classical pieces that I absolutely love.

Music is an acquired taste.

[ADL Colin]

Mika and Zilla,

I agree with you 100%!

When i was younger, I dismissed classical music. Now I think some of it is amazing.I love Bach, Beethoven, Paganini, Chopin, and many more.

I actually love the Beatles. I own many of their CDs and actually some albums. That's all I listened to in college.

I don't like much country. Maybe some day ;-)

[ADL Colin]

When I was 20, I listened to heavy metal and HATED rap. I said "that's not even music. Those people have no talent." Of course, people that didn't like what I liked said the same thing "I can't understand the lyrics. They're just screaming".

With age and wisdom (I hope that's why), I can now understand why anyone would like one form of music rather than another. I personally don't like country music. I was a city-kid and I don't identify with the rural lifestyle. Now, maybe there is a great urban cowboy out there or something and I would get it. I don't know. But I understand why other people dig it and it's not my place to judge.

[mika]

Originally posted by Colin

When i was younger, I dismissed classical music. Now I think some of it is amazing.I love Bach, Beethoven, Paganini, Chopin, and many more.

I actually love the Beatles. I own many of their CDs and actually some albums. That's all I listened to in college.

Hehe strange. I first liked classical music and Beatles. Then Bob Dylan, then Neil Young. I was often very narrow-minded, so to say. Few years ago Metallica. Only a couple of years ago I started exploring all kinds of alternative bands, only to notice, that I was actually not very alternative, many people listened to those bands already. But no-one listened to Neil Young as a 18 year old kid .

When I started to play guitar myself, I learned to like almost all kind of music. I mean, they're all songs. The great thing is, you can probably play Bach as heavy metal and Beatles as punk if you like to. That's so special about music. It's what you make it, not how you take it as given and then sort if according to your pre-defined categories.

Putting Beatles to trash can just because it sold well means you only hate it because you have those stereotypes, not because you actually listen to the songs, maybe try to play and truly enjoy them.

[ADL Colin]

Mika,

I started with heavy metal (about 1980).

I learned to play guitar.

I heard Ynwie Malmsteen.

That turned me on to classical music.

Then i heard Al dimeola, an amazing virtuso jazz-fusion guitar player and that turned me onto
jazz.

Went I went to college, I had a friend that really liked classic rock. Started smoking a lotta weed and all of a sudden I like Pink Floyd, the Beatles, etc.

Ater college, I started going out to clubs. Hated techno at first but it grew on me and then one day I found myself liking it.

I would like a rap song every once in a while (Dre was the first rap CD I bought) and finally over the last few years, well, now I really dig it.

As a musician, one that was voted best at his instrument in a fair-sized city, I could come from a certain point of view and say all pop music is shit because it is simplistic. But then, I would probably end up only liking classical music because it is the most challenging to write, play ,etc. I mean, how many people do you know that can compose a concerto or a fugue? It takes a lot more practice to play a Chopin piece than a Metallica song. But who cares? I think that's the wrong approach. All kinds of music have validity to someone. The complexity of the arrangement doesn't make one form of music better than another.

[mika]

Originally posted by Colin
The complexity of the arrangement doesn't make one form of music better than another.

Latest CD I actually bought is Robert Johnson's complete recordings.
Not too complex, but I like it

[SCOOTER]

I don't like much country. Maybe some day ;-)

Hey Colin ,

With your gift of music and words, You could write a country music song !!!

[ADL Colin]

Scooter .. here's my first country song. Hope ya dig it.

A few months I was driving my pickup truck
I was trying to think of how to make an honest buck
suddenly my radar went off, like that guy in MASH
I just need to send my traffic to that "Ice Cold Cash"

A few months later I was making so much bank
I got ridda my big ass pickup truck and bought a tank
No more sounds of bill collectors, roosters, or cow bells
Cause I shelled my damned old farm with 120 millimeter shells

On that old land I build a beautiful new strip club
All the ladies came from miles around to get paid to fake love
That club was filled with all my friends that had the sense
To send their good old boy traffic to Club "Ice Cold Cash"

I'm a country boy
and not the only one now
Sitting in VIP

We all have money now
and our wives don't even know
cuz we spend it on all these great fucking ho's!

[TarPy]

Hey guys,

Colin when did you come back to the boards man, LOL.

Anyhow, I think Eminem is great because he's raw, and I agree with his shit. If his shit is made up by a room full of white fat 40 year old men that are paid to do it. I don't give a rat's ass who wrote the lyrics, I identify with them. The way I look at it, if I come over to your house, and you fix me food, or if you order it and just pretend to fix it, I don't give a fuck if it's still good food, and I'm thankful to you either way for giving it to me. Eminem has amazing verbal skills, and I would find it hard to believe that anyone else wrote his lyrics, in which case they are great.

I also like Electronica. Artists like BT, Aphex Twin, PPK, Squarepusher, and DoubleN. Again, I catch flack from people because "they don't sing and they don't play instruments, so what are they?" Um, well they are composers, you know like Strauss, Wagner, Mussorgsky, Bizet, and Beethoven, so what's wrong with that.

I say if you like listening to it, listen to it. I could start ripping on all kinds of shit like dye jobs, and fake boobs, but we all spank to JennaJ anyhow. So I say if you like it, do it, not every fucking thing needs an explination or a reason.

Colin, we need to do a call, gimme a # and some good times to call. My e-mail is tarpy {nospam} @ {nospam} thetgpspot.com

TarPy

Edit: actually hit me on IM too
AIM: HiSteppa

[ADL Colin]

What's wrong with 40 year old white guys? Shit, in 6 more years I'm gonna be one! White guys always get a rwa deal.

I agree with Tarpy - just emailed ya.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by mika



Btw, Labret, I think that being "alternative" is so popular today that it's no longer alternative. If 90% of the people consider themselves alternative, what's so alternative about it?

You dont want to get me started on "alternative" music.

There is nothing alternative about selling out a stadium. There is nothing alternative about selling 10 million albums. Once you hit the mainstream, you are top 40... period. I dont care what sound you are trying to accomplish.

You want to know what alternative is. Alternative is my Uncle who sits in his basement and listens to Ukranian jig polka and sharing mixed tapes with the other 35 people who love the genre.

Like this current trend of "punk pop". There is nothing punk about some mall cultivated look, making videos in fake skate parks with sorority girls. Punk is getting wasted in your friends basement, shooting smack and belting out Minor Threat covers. GG Allin was punk rock.

"Alternative" is the prepackaged corporate rebellion that all you simpletons buy into. The record industry and mtv create the labels that you cling to.

It always cracks me up when someone who listens to Metallica will talk shit about mainstream rap. Fuck you, its all the same top 40 VH1 shit. Im not saying rap sucks. Corporate rap sucks. I have nothing but the utmost respect for the guys I see in Detroit putting on their shows who will never have a video, will never make big bucks, who do it simply for the love of the music.

Once you make music for the masses, thats it. Put a fork in you, you are done. Your soul has vacated your body, you are now nothing more than a mindless whore who will be controlled by the label that controls you and the public.

MTV and radio control the trends in music and dress. They decide what you will like and what you will not like. If MTV wants polka core to be the trend of 2003 next year, they could make it happen. Why? Because people are idiots and need to be told what is cool and what is not cool.

As someone so eloquently put it last week... sheeple. Nothing but fucking sheeple.

[mika]

Originally posted by [Labret]

One you make music for the masses, thats it. Put a fork in you, you are done. Your soul has vacated your body, you are now nothing more than a mindless whore who will be controlled by the label that controls you and the public.

Are movies a different thing then? If yes, why are they different?
Someone may find more value in movies than in music, or vice versa.

If movies are no different from the music, then your movie taste is VERY VERY much made for the masses.
Just take a look at that movie thread haha
You cattle!

[[Labret]]

No, it is no different.

Do you see any big budget car movies, cheesy chick flicks, love stories or any of that shit on my list? I boycott 95% of what hits the screen.

I cant remember the last time I have been to the movies. And I cant even remember what is on my movie list. I dont watch many movies so my list is most likely limited.

[mika]

Originally posted by [Labret]


Full Metal Jacket
PI
Goodfellas
Dumb and Dumber
The Other Sister
Braveheart

Seems like you sold your soul to the Hollywood.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by mika


Seems like you sold your soul to the Hollywood.

Oh you got me. I am nothing more than a corporate whore.

I also use the internet and drive a car. I also invest in corporate America and buy clothing. Holy.

I dont care if your Eminem makes you feel better. You cant help it, you dont know any better.

[Frank W]

Originally posted by [Labret]
As if geeking out on the Beetles makes them any better.

Its both Top 40 shit pop music.

Hmmm... So if only 5 people listen to a band and like it, it makes the music good? Is there some sort of clerisy with a secret handshake for good musical taste?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Frank W


Hmmm... So if only 5 people listen to a band and like it, it makes the music good? Is there some sort of clerisy with a secret handshake for good musical taste?

You trying to deny that the Beatles were Top 40?

[Frank W]

Originally posted by [Labret]


You trying to deny that the Beatles were Top 40?

I'm not trying to deny that at all. I am working from your premise that just because a piece of music is popular that in of itself vitiates its musical value.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Frank W


I'm not trying to deny that at all. I am working from your premise that just because a piece of music is popular that in of itself vitiates its musical value.

True. Whats your problem then?

What is your definition of popular?

98% if the bands I listen to have never made a video. Doesnt mean only 6 people like them. Thats just a flat out ignorant statement and only further helps to illustrate my point. To the sheeple... popular = good.

Are they popular by your standards? Oh hell no. Are they popular in the genres I listen to? Very much so.

[ADL Colin]

Labret,

So what are some examples of music you like? Show us some lyrics, etc. I wanna know what YOU identify with.

[dantheman]

[Labret] , tell us how you really feel!

That is what makes music so cool, there's enough different types for everyone.


I like alot, I have played in garage bands that really only played to meet chicks, I've got friends who feel the same way labret does, cringes everytime one of their hero bands get some radio play. Bitch and burn their bootleg copies

What makes it all work is that there is all kinds, and for each of us to have formulated a taste means that it boils down to 1 think........the music!


"What can this strange device be?
When I touch it, it gives forth a sound
It's got wires that vibrate and give music
What can this thing be that I found?

See how it sings like a sad heart
And joyously screams out its pain
Sounds that build high like a mountain
Or notes that fall gently like rain

I can't wait to share this new wonder
The people will all see its light
Let them all make their own music
The Priests praise my name on this night "

[mika]

Originally posted by [Labret]

To the sheeple... popular = good.

That's right. Seems like you are familiar with the ways of influence authorities and music producers etc have on people. I think it's right to question. However, I think you have a little weird ANSWER to that questioning -> You try to avoid EVERYTHING that is popular and thus "approved by masses". It seems to be like your goal or something - to try to be different in all aspects.

Do you still wear clothes when you go the shopping mall?

[DrGuile]

[LeBrat] slays me...

I agree with you, corporate music is shit... all the same prepackaged shit, be it NuMetal or Boys Bands, its all utter crap.
Marylin Manson described Linkin Park (lol, dont even know how to spell it ;) best, they are the "Angry Backstreet boys"

ahahhaha
Good one you old sellout ;)



But [LeBrat], answer me this, is Beck a corprate sellout who's soul has vacated his body because his album made it to Top40?

If you say yes, than you are just a vandictative ass who doesnt know shit about music.
Beck does exactly the type of music he wants. Some of it happened to please the "masses". After Odelay, he decided to do a New wave Country album that didnt sell for shit to the "masses".

Or consider the Beastie Boys, are they souless corporate zombie too because they have videos??



also, listen to Gaffer, its good

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Colin
Labret,

So what are some examples of music you like? Show us some lyrics, etc. I wanna know what YOU identify with.

Why. You have never heard of any of it. Why should I enlighten the ignonrant? We like to keep our scene pure, free of poop.

It sounds like nothing you listen to, you will only dislike it and mock it to the best of your abilities.

On second thought, I will upload something from my labels newest acquisition. So I can watch the crying begin...

[Frank W]

Originally posted by [Labret]


True. Whats your problem then?

What is your definition of popular?

98% if the bands I listen to have never made a video. Doesnt mean only 6 people like them. Thats just a flat out ignorant statement.

Are the popular by your standards? Oh hell no. Are they popular in the genres I listen to? Very much so.

I just find your ideas re cultural criticism amusing. It reallyis reminiscent of 1800's Matthew Arnold type of criticism--the masses are stupid and uncultured. According to this thinking, it is only the few elite [not necessarily in terms of wealth but in "cultural refinement"] that can truly appreciate what real art is. So whether its 5 or 6 or 6000, as long as its a small enough group of people that are "cool" enough then the art in question is "real art."

Maybe this thread is a reminder that we live in a postmodern cultural world where the lines between "high brow" [read: "good"] and "low brow" [read: "bad"] are hopelessly blurred. Culture has become fungible Mozart and Madonna and N Synch and Lakaman Geshka [sp?] rapidly interspersed in a never ending video loop MTV style.

I don't have a problem with your criticism, everyone's entitled to their own. I am just amused by the irony it poses.

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by [Labret]


Why. You have never heard of any of it. Why should I enlighten the ignonrant? We like to keep our scene pure, free of poop.

It sounds like nothing you listen to, you will only dislike it and mock it to the best of your abilities.

On second thought, I will upload something from my labels newest acquisition. So I can watch the crying begin...

[LeBrat] is a music-nazi ;p


I like him... I was a community DJ, I have played bands you have never heard of...

[SCOOTER]

Originally posted by Colin
Scooter .. here's my first country song. Hope ya dig it.

A few months I was driving my pickup truck
I was trying to think of how to make an honest buck
suddenly my radar went off, like that guy in MASH
I just need to send my traffic to that "Ice Cold Cash"

A few months later I was making so much bank
I got ridda my big ass pickup truck and bought a tank
No more sounds of bill collectors, roosters, or cow bells
Cause I shelled my damned old farm with 120 millimeter shells

On that old land I build a beautiful new strip club
All the ladies came from miles around to get paid to fake love
That club was filled with all my friends that had the sense
To send their good old boy traffic to Club "Ice Cold Cash"

I'm a country boy
and not the only one now
Sitting in VIP

We all have money now
and our wives don't even know
cuz we spend it on all these great fucking ho's!

Well,
I am not real sure your going to make it as a country song writer
But one thing you've got right is you Can and will make BIG $$ with Icecoldcash ...

[ADL Colin]

It sounds like nothing you listen to, you will only dislike it and mock it to the best of your abilities.

---------------------------------

Yes, I will. Stand up and take it like a man.

Besides, Maybe I'll like it.

[ADL Colin]

Scooter,

It's the message that's important. That song is all about the love.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Colin


Yes, I will. Stand up and take it like a man.

Besides, Maybe I'll like it.

Redline 1
Redline 2

Redline. Not on our label. Connection is giving me grief so just gonna go with whats already there.

A prime beautiful example of what we call New York style beatdown hardcore.

Dont try and dissect it. Dont try and understand it. Dont try and compare it to anything you have ever heard. Hardcore stands alone. Pay attention to the breakdowns and structure and recognize what all this numetal faggotry is trying to immitate.

They have no videos on mtv. A show with them in any given city would probably ony draw a hundred people MAX, and that would be if there were other bands as well, and the crowd would be comprised of people loyal to the hardcore scene. No blue haired mallrats, no stinky crusties, maybe a few skinhead crossover but thats about it. Just tattoos and shaved heads. A thing of beauty. Redline is true to the scene. They would beat your ass with a cueball in a sock in a heartbeat.

I am also obsessed with American Oi! like the Templars, Stormwatch, Boot Party etc etc etc. But thats a whole different story.

School starts today so I am off to get my learn on. I will verbal abuse you all when I get back. Toodles cattle.

[DrGuile]

"The only good music is the music I listen to"


lol, how many time have I heard that ;p

[DrGuile]

[LeBrat]
try this

From Autumn to Ashes -- Short Stories with Tragic Endings

[ADL Colin]

Redline -- I could listen to this. Every once in a while.

Jesus, Labret .. you had me all psyched up like I was going to hear a music revolution or something.
This doesn't sound much different than the death metal I listened to 15 years ago; bands like Napalm Death, etc. Nice to hear double-bass drums again though. Don't hear that so much anymore. Everyone seems to have a single bass kit nowadays.

That "Dont try and dissect it. Dont try and understand it. Dont try and compare it to anything you have ever heard" is bullshit. These guys never listened to DRI, Black Flag, or Agnostic Front? Bet they did.

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by Colin
Redline -- I could listen to this. Every once in a while.

Jesus, Labret .. you had me all psyched up like I was going to hear a music revolution or something.
This doesn't sound much different than the death metal I listened to 15 years ago; bands like Napalm Death, etc. Nice to hear double-bass drums again though. Don't hear that so much anymore. Everyone seems to have a single bass kit nowadays.

That "Dont try and dissect it. Dont try and understand it. Dont try and compare it to anything you have ever heard" is bullshit. These guys never listened to DRI, Black Flag, or Agnostic Front? Bet they did.

you are correct.

Nice way to burst [LeBrat]'s bubble.

I've heard this shit quite a few times... ('shit' not in a bad sense, I liked it, quite a bit...)

[Frank W]

Originally posted by DrGuile
"The only good music is the music I listen to"


lol, how many time have I heard that ;p