Ibill CONTINUES to fuck up! - GoFuckYourself.com

wouncie · 09-05-2002, 07:36 AM

What the fuck am I supposed to do with THIS BULLSHIT!

Ibill has been fucking up, and fucking up, and fucking up! With totally no regard for the webmaster at all!

Its like dammit man, I know better but still havent switched companies because of the "hassle" involved.

..... plus I think having quiets last monthly statement as my motivational screen saver has something to do with the reluctancy to switch to.

Fuckin Ibill

boldy · 09-05-2002, 07:38 AM

Too many buttons and options again ... i'm stoopid too

TDF · 09-05-2002, 07:44 AM

yeah I say fuck ibill too.They owe me several hundred dollars and they sent me the same email reply to me that they sent to someone else with their name on it with my original email in it..dipshits

Rochard · 09-05-2002, 08:28 AM

I think IBill should change it's name to "IFuck".

SR · 09-05-2002, 08:29 AM

I had one week without problems
and now the blow it again.
processing behind plus rebills behind.
Plus they have the worst support.
E-mail them and be sure your e-mail will get lost in cyberspace.

I give them 1 or 2 more years
They'll get trouble with processing "illegal" sites plus nobody will let them get away with not paying for the web900

PhilipX · 09-05-2002, 10:03 AM

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I think IBill should change it's name to "IFuck".

Or should it be FuckBill. It's time for them to change now.

iBill-Cathy · 09-05-2002, 02:20 PM

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Jizar II · 09-05-2002, 02:29 PM

Trouble with IBILL ? hmm never heard anything like it before

wonton · 09-05-2002, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by iBill-Cathy
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lol

Snazzy · 09-05-2002, 02:37 PM

Aren't they the same guys who run Napster?

Look where they are now!

vegasdude · 09-05-2002, 02:45 PM

Cathy give this one http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...pagenu mber=1 a look instead....

I would find a new job if I was you.... working for a broke ass no good no future company is not a perfect job...

wouncie · 09-05-2002, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by vegasdude
Cathy give this one http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...pagenu mber=1 a look instead....

I would find a new job if I was you.... working for a broke ass no good no future company is not a perfect job...

That's the last we'll here from her.

iBill John · 09-05-2002, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by wouncie

That's the last we'll here from her.

I don't think so wouncie...

AcidMax · 09-05-2002, 03:38 PM

I switched from I-Bill last week after dealing with their incompetent support and lack of follow-up. I am even removing the I-Bill module from my billing / member management software. I wrote a new CC Bill module for it in less than an hour and was up and live and working processing with CC Bill which so far has not only made me more money, but they actually process credit cards for me and support is at least competent.

AJ

wouncie · 09-05-2002, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by iBill John

I don't think so wouncie...

John, how bout fixing the detailed revenue FIRST, why do we have to suffer as customers. Ya'll extorting 25% from us OFF TOP and don't give a damn about us. Instead of sarcastic replies on the message board why don't you put some of that energy and address the web900 money ya'll stole from us. I don't recall seeing you reply to that thread Slugger

Shoplifter · 09-05-2002, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by AcidMax
but they actually process credit cards for me....

AJ

This is by far the biggest problem with Ibill...Far more so than any other issue.

There are too many declines and arbitrary membership cancellations. I am beginning to think they cancel accounts after a few months just because their algorithm says the probability of a chargeback increases if a member stays on for more than 3 months.

It is a daily occurance that we get an email from a client saying they never cancelled, but they no longer have access.

Moving to another processor is easy if you have a small site, it is impossible if you have more than 1k members. Sigh.

iBill John · 09-05-2002, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by wouncie

John, how bout fixing the detailed revenue FIRST, why do we have to suffer as customers. Ya'll extorting 25% from us OFF TOP and don't give a damn about us. Instead of sarcastic replies on the message board why don't you put some of that energy and address the web900 money ya'll stole from us. I don't recall seeing you reply to that thread Slugger

First of all, I am in sales.
You pay 25%, I wish I was your rep.
I do give a dam about you, that's why I reply.
The web900 money, I leave that to our legal dept.
Hey, I will give the folks at the Florida office a
heads up on the detailed revenue issues.

wouncie · 09-05-2002, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by iBill John

First of all, I am in sales.
You pay 25%, I wish I was your rep.
I do give a dam about you, that's why I reply.
The web900 money, I leave that to our legal dept.
Hey, I will give the folks at the Florida office a
heads up on the detailed revenue issues.

10% -- 6 month reserve
15% -- Ibills greedy ass cut

Basically 25% of every dollar I earn.

While you're at it telll the folks at the Florida office to KISS MY ASS to!

*shaking head* fuckin rookies

Kimmykim · 09-05-2002, 05:14 PM

damn you a sassy one wouncie ;)

now did you get that affiliate program open yet?

pentae · 09-05-2002, 06:08 PM

I think its very cool that a very large company like iBill have the balls and the commitment to reply to a hostile and immature thread like this one, in an attempt to make it clearer for those of us who clearly have no fucking clue.

BVF · 09-05-2002, 06:24 PM

a 10% holdback every week? with a 15% fee? That's craziness

The only reason that I didn't go with Ibill when I first started was because it was easier to setup with CCbill. I'm glad that shit happened.

14.5% fee and 5% holdback = 19.5% which is a BIG difference from 25%. And that isn't even including the money that goes to the affiliates every week.

Even though you're getting your holdback refunded, that extra 0.5% every week extra that Ibill is charging has to add up like a muthafucka.

thank God I never got mixed up with Ibill

quiet · 09-05-2002, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by iBill John

First of all, I am in sales.
You pay 25%, I wish I was your rep.
I do give a dam about you, that's why I reply.
The web900 money, I leave that to our legal dept.
Hey, I will give the folks at the Florida office a
heads up on the detailed revenue issues.

and the frankie's angels incident? saving that for the legal department too?

wouncie · 09-05-2002, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by BVF
a 10% holdback every week? with a 15% fee? That's craziness

The only reason that I didn't go with Ibill when I first started was because it was easier to setup with CCbill. I'm glad that shit happened.

14.5% fee and 5% holdback = 19.5% which is a BIG difference from 25%. And that isn't even including the money that goes to the affiliates every week.

Even though you're getting your holdback refunded, that extra 0.5% every week extra that Ibill is charging has to add up like a muthafucka.

thank God I never got mixed up with Ibill

You're right BVF and on top of that they dont pay every week, they pay every 15 days.

ronin · 09-05-2002, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by wouncie

10% -- 6 month reserve
15% -- Ibills greedy ass cut

Basically 25% of every dollar I earn.

While you're at it telll the folks at the Florida office to KISS MY ASS to!

*shaking head* fuckin rookies

wait till they look into wouncie, guy probley sent two joins in his hole life. he is a newbie, i suspect.

pentae · 09-05-2002, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by ronin

wait till they look into wouncie, guy probley sent two joins in his hole life. he is a newbie, i suspect.

Wouldnt suprise me. People often forget that iBill where around first. They are much bigger and have a lot more history and experience than all the new blood.

drops · 09-05-2002, 08:40 PM

**cough**EPOCH**cough**

ronin · 09-05-2002, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by drops
**cough**EPOCH**cough**

**cough**pay ontime**cough**

Socks · 09-05-2002, 08:55 PM

Why doesn't iBill realize that all they need is a BETTER SYSTEM. You guys have like how many customers? How many offices? Yet your website is in pieces. That's your fucking MONEY MACHINE!!!Lose that and you lose profits. Profits are supposed to go UP. By GAINING customers. You are LOSING customers. You are poisoning your own drinking water.

I honestly think our website is more functional than yours, and we're a couple kids with highschool educations. Shame on you. People in here rely on you, you are like their bank. If you went to your bank looking for YOUR money and they said "Talk to our legal team" how the fuck would you feel? Hire a leader with some passion and customer service ideas I say, someone needs to lay the fat fist down.

rdunn404 · 09-05-2002, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by ronin

wait till they look into wouncie, guy probley sent two joins in his hole life. he is a newbie, i suspect.

LOL. If only you knew how far off base that comment was. And it ain't about sending 1 join or 1,000 joins. It's about respect and them providing a service to clients - period! There's principalities involved here Smokey!

ronin · 09-05-2002, 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by rdunn404

LOL. If only you knew how far off base that comment was. And it ain't about sending 1 join or 1,000 joins. It's about respect and them providing a service to clients - period! There's principalities involved here Smokey!

well cowboy, i get respect from all the billing co. i use.
i guess it's the old, you get what you pay for.
i see other playa's get service.
at 1 or 2 joins a day, i would not piss on you, if you were on fire.

Bobo · 09-05-2002, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by iBill John

First of all, I am in sales.
You pay 25%, I wish I was your rep.
I do give a dam about you, that's why I reply.
The web900 money, I leave that to our legal dept.
Hey, I will give the folks at the Florida office a
heads up on the detailed revenue issues.

Fuck you and the company that you represent. When I find you Ibill John, I'm going to ejaculate in your ass.

The Dawg · 09-05-2002, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by Bobo
When I find you Ibill John, I'm going to ejaculate in your ass.

Socks · 09-05-2002, 09:58 PM

What about the horse he rode in on?! Don't leave out the horse..

iBill John · 09-05-2002, 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by Bobo

Fuck you and the company that you represent. When I find you Ibill John, I'm going to ejaculate in your ass.

3202 Compton Blvd.
Compton, CA. 90220

quiet · 09-05-2002, 10:03 PM

"hey ren - tell 'em where you're from"

pentae · 09-05-2002, 10:09 PM

hahahaha

RESPECT-o-METER
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Ibill John: 31
Bobo: 3
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Bobo · 09-05-2002, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by iBill John

3202 Compton Blvd.
Compton, CA. 90220

So you've come out of the closet. I would have guessed Ibill hires flamers. Maybe that's why you and your company sucks.

Bobo · 09-05-2002, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by pentae
hahahaha

RESPECT-o-METER
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Ibill John: 31
Bobo: 3
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Did you pull those numbers out of your ass? If you knew anything about Ibill you would know that they and anybody who represents them gets NO respect.

My advice to you is to choose CCBILL. I'm being nice to you even though you've made it clear that you're little more than a choda licker.

ronin · 09-05-2002, 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by Bobo

So you've come out of the closet. I would have guessed Ibill hires flamers. Maybe that's why you and your company sucks.

whatever, stud. lol

pentae · 09-05-2002, 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by Bobo

Did you pull those numbers out of your ass? If you knew anything about Ibill you would know that they and anybody who represents them gets NO respect.

My advice to you is to choose CCBILL. I'm being nice to you even though you've made it clear that you're little more than a choda licker.

"Even if I knew anything about ibill" .. lol, this is the company that made guys like me very very wealthy. You don't even know who your talking to, so sit the fuck down!

iBill have ALWAYS been the biggest merchant on the entire internet, and while we're making personal assumptions, they have been billing before you where even in this industry.

Any two-bit kid with a scrap of HTML he found in his ass can hook up a CCBill page, which is why their scrub list is enormous. I have used BOTH of these companies for extensive periods of time. And all I learnt was CCBill was a lot more unreliable, and got me 35% less signups.

Why should I respect you? You don't send me 6 figure wires every 2 weeks that you could set your watch by! Credit given where credits due, they've had their share of screwups.

We're looking at websitebilling.com as an alternative to ibill, but at this point my techs are still testing the variance in sales figures for each merchant.

Bobo · 09-05-2002, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by pentae

"Even if I knew anything about ibill" .. lol, this is the company that made guys like me very very wealthy. You don't even know who your talking to, so sit the fuck down!

iBill have ALWAYS been the biggest merchant on the entire internet, and while we're making personal assumptions, they have been billing before you where even in this industry.

Any two-bit kid with a scrap of HTML he found in his ass can hook up a CCBill page, which is why their scrub list is enormous. I have used BOTH of these companies for extensive periods of time. And all I learnt was CCBill was a lot more unreliable, and got me 35% less signups.

Why should I respect you? You don't send me 6 figure wires every 2 weeks that you could set your watch by! Credit given where credits due, they've had their share of screwups.

We're looking at websitebilling.com as an alternative to ibill, but at this point my techs are still testing the variance in sales figures for each merchant.

Hey, whatever you say Bub. Even if you make the 6 figure income you claim to (and I doubt that you do, what a fuckin' joke), you'd have to realize that they would treat you differently than clients that make a fraction of what you make. The problem with this is that the small webmasters are what make a company, not the one of two big guys. Ibill more reliable than CCBILL??? LOL Look around you, pose the question to anybody on this board and we'll compare answers. CCBILL has IBILL beat....it's only a matter of time before IBILL sinks. They have to cut off a lot of useless fat and start providing service.

Ibill is the biggest because they were one of the first...but it's something that you have to maintain or you don't stay the biggest for long. Ibill will learn this the hard way.

Bobo · 09-05-2002, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by ronin

whatever, stud. lol

Don't come onto me. Ibill John is the homo, not me.

iBill John · 09-05-2002, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Bobo

So you've come out of the closet. I would have guessed Ibill hires flamers. Maybe that's why you and your company sucks.

Never came out of a closet, just lying in the weeds.
Always up for answering posts like your's.

wouncie · 09-05-2002, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by iBill John

3202 Compton Blvd.
Compton, CA. 90220

This beef is not with you John, dont you have better things to be doing than being an asshole on this message board. I bet you have a customer on hold right now!

Im just a webmaster venting to other webmasters in a place that I call home. There was no need for you to take try to come to Ibill_Cathys rescue and jump off in this fire with those gasoline draws on....

I repeat ... My gripe is not with the "clock punchers", its with Ibill as a corporation. What you need to do Slugger, is get the fuck off this message board and put your boss on the phone.

As far as the Dip shits thinking I get one or two sales ... Think its a game if you want .. "Big Tymers"

iBill John · 09-05-2002, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by Bobo

Don't come onto me. Ibill John is the homo, not me.

No Bobo, we think you are the homo....

Bobo · 09-05-2002, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by iBill John

Never came out of a closet, just lying in the weeds.
Always up for answering posts like your's.

Maybe you should spend less time answering my posts which are intended for fucked up entertainment purposes and run a better billing company.

FYI, I had to email pmsetups 3 times and after 2 weeks no reply...I finally had to call, twice before I could get a goddam password file rebuilt. Try implementing a simple automated tracking system that sends out a tracking number to webmasters that have made a request, like CCBILL does. That way the webmaster knows that you recieved the email. Oh, and when you recieve the emails, don't ignore them either....that's bad business.

If I called CCBILL right now, a tech would rebuild any password file I would want, and do it right there while I'm on the phone with him/her. It's called worldclass service, something you really need to do more research on.

Bobo · 09-05-2002, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by iBill John

No Bobo, we think you are the homo....

Classic Ibill policy...fuck around and don't get any work done. Is this the same IBILL that some other idiot was saying wires him 6 figure amounts and is an outstaning billing company? LOL Keep talking Ibill John, you're full of shit and need to get some of it out.

iBill John · 09-05-2002, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by wouncie

This beef is not with you John, dont you have better things to be doing than being an asshole on this message board. I bet you have a customer on hold right now!

Im just a webmaster venting to other webmasters in a place that I call home. There was no need for you to take try to come to Ibill_Cathys rescue and jump off in this fire with those gasoline draws on....

I repeat ... My gripe is not with the "clock punchers", its with Ibill as a corporation. What you need to do Slugger, is get the fuck off this message board and put your boss on the phone.

As far as the Dip shits thinking I get one or two sales ... Think its a game if you want .. "Big Tymers"

Better things to do, no I like being a asshole to you. No clients
on hold, I get shit taken care of.
As far as getting my boss, you can deal with me pal.

wouncie · 09-05-2002, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by iBill John

Better things to do, no I like being a asshole to you. No clients
on hold, I get shit taken care of.
As far as getting my boss, you can deal with me pal.

YOU!..... Pal

Go
to
BED!
(Its 11:00pm in Cali) , unlike us, you have to be at work tomorrow!
You're such an asshole I'm starting to get the idea you don't even work for fuckbill. Because if they actually DO have assholes like you on their team it's a very sad day

As I said before, my gripe is NOT with the "clock punchers" it's with Ibill as a corporation.
This will be my last time entertaining your

Ass!

pentae · 09-05-2002, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by Bobo

Ibill is the biggest because they were one of the first...but it's something that you have to maintain or you don't stay the biggest for long. Ibill will learn this the hard way.

Alright,

So when an iBill employee with a bit of balls starts posting on a hostile thread and try to sort out problems their clients are facing, you say you want to 'ejaculate in his ass' ..

You don't think that makes you seem like an immature little kid?
And to bring that back to 'ccbill is better so nyah' is really credible.

09-05-2002, 07:36 AM	#1
wouncie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ASSwatcher.com Posts: 1,005	Ibill CONTINUES to fuck up! What the fuck am I supposed to do with THIS BULLSHIT! Ibill has been fucking up, and fucking up, and fucking up! With totally no regard for the webmaster at all! Its like dammit man, I know better but still havent switched companies because of the "hassle" involved. ..... plus I think having quiets last monthly statement as my motivational screen saver has something to do with the reluctancy to switch to. Fuckin Ibill __________________

09-05-2002, 07:38 AM	#2
boldy Macdaddy coder Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: MacDaddy pimp coder Posts: 2,806	Too many buttons and options again ... i'm stoopid too __________________ MacDaddy Coder.

09-05-2002, 07:44 AM	#3
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	yeah I say fuck ibill too.They owe me several hundred dollars and they sent me the same email reply to me that they sent to someone else with their name on it with my original email in it..dipshits __________________ Sig heil

09-05-2002, 08:28 AM	#4
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,014	I think IBill should change it's name to "IFuck". __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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09-05-2002, 08:29 AM	#5
SR Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,239	I had one week without problems and now the blow it again. processing behind plus rebills behind. Plus they have the worst support. E-mail them and be sure your e-mail will get lost in cyberspace. I give them 1 or 2 more years They'll get trouble with processing "illegal" sites plus nobody will let them get away with not paying for the web900

09-05-2002, 02:20 PM	#7
iBill-Cathy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 61	All-The legacy detail revenue report was removed to improve the performance of CMI. We are in the process of creating an automated report that will support this data. If you are having problems using this new report, please contact me at [email protected] or our client service team.

09-05-2002, 02:29 PM	#8
Jizar II Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: LLL© Posts: 1,425	Trouble with IBILL ? hmm never heard anything like it before

09-05-2002, 02:45 PM	#11
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	Cathy give this one http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...pagenu mber=1 a look instead.... I would find a new job if I was you.... working for a broke ass no good no future company is not a perfect job...

09-05-2002, 03:38 PM	#14
AcidMax Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: MI Posts: 1,827	I switched from I-Bill last week after dealing with their incompetent support and lack of follow-up. I am even removing the I-Bill module from my billing / member management software. I wrote a new CC Bill module for it in less than an hour and was up and live and working processing with CC Bill which so far has not only made me more money, but they actually process credit cards for me and support is at least competent. AJ __________________ Latest MMA news. http://www.mmawrapup.com

09-05-2002, 05:14 PM	#19
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	damn you a sassy one wouncie ;) now did you get that affiliate program open yet?

09-05-2002, 06:08 PM	#20
pentae Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Inconceivable! Posts: 899	I think its very cool that a very large company like iBill have the balls and the commitment to reply to a hostile and immature thread like this one, in an attempt to make it clearer for those of us who clearly have no fucking clue.

09-05-2002, 06:24 PM	#21
BVF Black Vagina Finder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Midwest Posts: 13,975	a 10% holdback every week? with a 15% fee? That's craziness The only reason that I didn't go with Ibill when I first started was because it was easier to setup with CCbill. I'm glad that shit happened. 14.5% fee and 5% holdback = 19.5% which is a BIG difference from 25%. And that isn't even including the money that goes to the affiliates every week. Even though you're getting your holdback refunded, that extra 0.5% every week extra that Ibill is charging has to add up like a muthafucka. thank God I never got mixed up with Ibill

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09-05-2002, 08:55 PM	#28
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	Why doesn't iBill realize that all they need is a BETTER SYSTEM. You guys have like how many customers? How many offices? Yet your website is in pieces. That's your fucking MONEY MACHINE!!!Lose that and you lose profits. Profits are supposed to go UP. By GAINING customers. You are LOSING customers. You are poisoning your own drinking water. I honestly think our website is more functional than yours, and we're a couple kids with highschool educations. Shame on you. People in here rely on you, you are like their bank. If you went to your bank looking for YOUR money and they said "Talk to our legal team" how the fuck would you feel? Hire a leader with some passion and customer service ideas I say, someone needs to lay the fat fist down.

09-05-2002, 09:58 PM	#33
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	What about the horse he rode in on?! Don't leave out the horse..

09-05-2002, 10:03 PM	#35
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	"hey ren - tell 'em where you're from" __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP Last edited by quiet; 09-05-2002 at 10:11 PM..

09-05-2002, 10:09 PM	#36
pentae Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Inconceivable! Posts: 899	hahahaha RESPECT-o-METER ----------------------- Ibill John: 31 Bobo: 3 -----------------------