danza outlook on school shootings

[DirtyDanza]

First of all.. what a shitty day... there was way to many casulties at this campus and there is NO excuse as to why a gunman was able to get off that many rounds without being stopped.. I call the men and women in the classrooms pussies for not doing ANYTHING... first of all he had a 9mm and a 22 which mean unless he was doing all headshots they were not one shot one kill.. he DID have to reload.. all prime times to advance on insurgents... I hope everybody who had the "flight" instinct kick in has to live with the fact they stood idly by while classmates were shot to death... from what I have read doctors are saying that not a single vic came in with no less than 3 shots... lets do the math... 3x50 = 150 150 rds? has anyone confirmed the amount of ammo shot?

bottom line is as humans you haved to react to situations like that and running away is not the way to react... all you fucking tree huggers I hope you feel somewhat at fault as well.. because with you and your laws that you try to pass.... there MUST be more trained citizens in our community so situations like this will be stopped as soon as they start...

I was watching video of the cops hiding behind a tree while gunfire is going off inside a dorm? those cops should be fired... yeah I said it FIRED... those shots were no where near the officers hiding behind a tree...


I think it's about time we stop being a fucking PC country and start getting with reality.. criminals have no certian look, no certian dimnear about them... anyone could be a criminal thats why we NEED more trained ARMED citizens to stop threats like this....

lets look at dynamics of a bullet for a sec... by sound alone every officer there shuold have known the gun he was using... if you can;t tell the difference between a 9mm-.40-.45-10mm, 7.62.39 or 7.62x54 every round has a unique sound to it.... I can close my eyes and tell you what cal your shooting... can I name the type of bullet.. no thats impossiable.. but audible reconizition is what all of us who were trained use... you ask any vet and they will sound off at the sound of an AK 7.62x39 because of how distinct it is... cops SHOULD be the same way... so as an officer arriving at that scene you hear gunshots.. you split sec ID those shots and where there comming from.... you hear handgun you know what the lethal range of a handgun is compaired to a long gun you also know what a round will penetrate and what it will not penetrate.. now you may have slight varitations between penetration on a FMJ as opposed to a HP round but the fact still remains that the velocity is around the same on each cal... you may have a varation between the amount of powder used in the round hence the +p+ rounds they are what we call "hott" rounds but the fact still remains that every officer that arrived on that scene knew it wa a handgun and should have breached way before they did... if you can;t hit them they can't hit you is a motto we used to always use.... I think the police force and the school should be sued.. as well as the kids in the classrooms who stood idly by....

Disarming a weapon from a human being is not the hardest thing to do with training... if this guy got away with killing 32 schoolmates wounding over 25 and he was considered "un_trained" now imiagne if there were onle 1 trained person in that room.. or 2 for that matter.. how fast would a situation like this have been stopped?


so next time you vote hippies make sure you vote for teachers to have guns in the classroom and make sure you vote for more leaniant laws on obtaining a CCW

[the alchemist]

I agree, what happened is so horrible it doesn't even make sense that he had the time to kill 33 people, harm a dozen and kill himself without anyone trying to stop the kid... I guess being a pussy is a new trend, if you remember correctly a few weeks ago, 3 or 4 men were too pussy to help a tiny young waitress lady getting a beating, and that wasn't guns, it was a drunken dumbfuck fists.

[Dirty F]

People like you disgust me. You look at the cnn footage with your dick in your hand. You gun loving idiot. You totally enjoy scenes like this. Stupid kids killing eachother with their parents guns. You wish everyone had a gun so you can watch stuff like this daily.

Fucking white trash in its purest form is what you are.

[boneprone]

My mom is a teacher.. And trust me you dont want her or some of these other teachers having guns..

She'd end up shooting some of the stupid negros in her class..

Same with many of the other teachers.

Besides. She's only 5 foot 1 and around 100 pounds.

Any negro could disarm her and take the gun away from her.

Some of the Teachers in that shooting would be easy marks for disarming as well.

YOu think that Jewish Holocost professor they keep showing or that Prof from India could keep from getting disarmed?

If I were a punk Id make it a goal just to try to disarm one of the teachers.

Could be dangerous.

[boneprone]

Sorry if I come off a racist with the term negro.

But stats show in the case of stealing guns, or robbing, they are typical negro in nature.

[Dirty F]

People like you are a danger to society. People like you walk around with guns hoping you can use them. Hoping for a fight and a reason to pull your weapon.

[boneprone]

Also you have to consider that this was a rare freak accident.

Koreans by nature are naturally peaceful loving and tame breeds.

This one was wacked more so in the wiring process of his head.. It could have happened to anyone..

BUt typically guns and shootings are done by negros. Give teachers guns in those rough communities and there will be more accidents.

You dont see negro schools going through these rampages.. But put guns in the classroom via a dumb teacher and it will be the wild west!

Negro style.

[RawAlex]

Danza, interesting theory on the guns, but I can see why they did what they did.

You hear gunshots. You "know" it is a handgun, so you go running into the building, only to come face to face with the gunman who has run out of bullets in his handgun and is now using his ak-47 to do some major damage.

They just don't know, and they shouldn't "guess".

You never know what a madman is doing or has planned. When you start trying to outguess a madman, you are likely to be his next victim.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

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Dude well said.

[_Richard_]

so, you're suggestion to solve the problem is to INCREASE the ability to buy weapons?

also, you're going very far to assume these people knew what guns sounded like, in an old echoy hall..

finally, you're saying that teams and teams of police and military, trained and HAVE fired weapons at people, know less than you do?

R

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Danza, interesting theory on the guns, but I can see why they did what they did.

You hear gunshots. You "know" it is a handgun, so you go running into the building, only to come face to face with the gunman who has run out of bullets in his handgun and is now using his ak-47 to do some major damage.

They just don't know, and they shouldn't "guess".

You never know what a madman is doing or has planned. When you start trying to outguess a madman, you are likely to be his next victim.

this is true... but you also take an oath to "protect and serve" and IMO your not protecting anything behind a tree... here they got the advantage of numbers.. and ambush... and they did nothing but stand around.... they NEEDED to enter that building and fast at the sound of the first shot bottom line.... they need to be fired... they littlerally let 33 people get killed.... I shoot everyweek sometimes 2 times a week and for me to shoot accuratly fast I go through 14rds from my 40cal in just under 2.2 secs and thats shooting accuratly... there was plenty of time to disarm this guy.. he had a 9mm and a 22 both are not one shot one stop guns... the best 9mm round on the market right now only has a 87% one shot stop rate.. there is just no excuse at all I feel so bad for the kids in the classrooms because no one came to help em at all

[gangbangjoe]

100% bullshit

ban those god damned weapons already.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

so, you're suggestion to solve the problem is to INCREASE the ability to buy weapons?

also, you're going very far to assume these people knew what guns sounded like, in an old echoy hall..

finally, you're saying that teams and teams of police and military, trained and HAVE fired weapons at people, know less than you do?

R

The guy is a fucking lunatic. A gun loving idiot who LOVES school shootings. It gets him off and feeds his obsession for guns. He is a fucking psycho and should be taken out of society.

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

so, you're suggestion to solve the problem is to INCREASE the ability to buy weapons?

also, you're going very far to assume these people knew what guns sounded like, in an old echoy hall..

finally, you're saying that teams and teams of police and military, trained and HAVE fired weapons at people, know less than you do?

R

I am trained and yes I am saying that.... you may get some officers that will acutually fire their weapon on a regular basis but depending on the force that they work for they only have to fire a weapon to "qualify" 4 times a year... now in the military... just because they are in the military they arent "trained" yes they all have boot camp but you think a guidence systems controler is going to be the most profecient with his weapons or is the sniper? I know military guys who are very high rank 0-4 and above who havent fired a weapon in over 20 years....

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

this is true... but you also take an oath to "protect and serve" and IMO your not protecting anything behind a tree...

Actually, they did a very good job of protecting the rest of the campus and keeping the shooter from having the option of moving to a third building to do some more damage. Yes, 32 people died. 25,000 or so that attend or work at the school didn't. Under the circumstances, I think they did a whole bunch of protecting and serving.

They can't serve and protect with a bullet in their heads.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

I am trained and yes I am saying that.... you may get some officers that will acutually fire their weapon on a regular basis but depending on the force that they work for they only have to fire a weapon to "qualify" 4 times a year... now in the military... just because they are in the military they arent "trained" yes they all have boot camp but you think a guidence systems controler is going to be the most profecient with his weapons or is the sniper? I know military guys who are very high rank 0-4 and above who havent fired a weapon in over 20 years....

Can we also make crack cocaine legal? After all, once you are "trained" on it, you can do it without issue.

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by Dirty Franck

The guy is a fucking lunatic. A gun loving idiot who LOVES school shootings. It gets him off and feeds his obsession for guns. He is a fucking psycho and should be taken out of society.

your an idiot.. yeah I love school shooting huh... your a fucking moron how do you take everything that I said on how it should not have happend and turn that around into I love school shootings? please explain yourself to where we can all understand how you made that assumption and I will concede to you and rock a "i am dirty francks bitch " sig in my sig for a year if you can half way tell us how you decipher how I "love schoo shootings" when I lost a family member during coloumbine please franck explain?

[Splum]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Can we also make crack cocaine legal? After all, once you are "trained" on it, you can do it without issue.

What a retarded comparison.
Guns are a RIGHT that this country was BASED on, without guns this country would not exist. Guns are what KEEP this country the most powerful nation ever in the history of this planet.

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Actually, they did a very good job of protecting the rest of the campus and keeping the shooter from having the option of moving to a third building to do some more damage. Yes, 32 people died. 25,000 or so that attend or work at the school didn't. Under the circumstances, I think they did a whole bunch of protecting and serving.

They can't serve and protect with a bullet in their heads.

well this post makes sence to an extent but the cocaine post does not....


did they secure the capus? YES...

did they secure what needed to be secured? NO

fuck dood a mall is huge and just cause a shooting goes on in dillards don't mean get every officer to JC penney to stop the shooter from going in their next... you have to get in their and elemnate the threat... it sucks to do and when your first officer on the scene you have to put yourself in that situation... they chose to be police officers just like we choose to shoot porno you know everyday when you throw on that badge your a target.... and every officer knows that... for them to stay outside like that is pussy IMO... they could have went in to help people

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

your an idiot.. yeah I love school shooting huh... your a fucking moron how do you take everything that I said on how it should not have happend and turn that around into I love school shootings? please explain yourself to where we can all understand how you made that assumption and I will concede to you and rock a "i am dirty francks bitch " sig in my sig for a year if you can half way tell us how you decipher how I "love schoo shootings" when I lost a family member during coloumbine please franck explain?

Please shoot yourself in the face cocksucker. The world is better off without lunatics like you who are waiting for a reason to pull their gun on someone. America has a HUGE gun problem and you are the reason. You and the tons of other white trash lunatics who have gun obsessions. Something went wrong in your brain after the generations of brothers fucking their sisters in their trailer. You are the result.

Civilized people dont have gun obsessions.

[Gregory Black]

This is now a nation of pussy boys. They spend more time keeping up with Paris Hilton gossip than working out.

No way would I risk my life to save a classroom of pussies.

I would only risk my life to save a child, one of my family members, or a close friend. Other than that I say fuck'em!

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Splum

What a retarded comparison.
Guns are a RIGHT that this country was BASED on, without guns this country would not exist. Guns are what KEEP this country the most powerful nation ever in the history of this planet.

America is getting closer to being a 3rd world country with the day. But hey, what would you know about that. You never seen one other country in your life.

Cant blame you though. The brain capacity of a monkey. You lead a very, very simple life.

[Dirty F]

Look DD, your family:

[Dirty F]

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Dirty Franck

America is getting closer to being a 3rd world country with the day.

Whatever you say girly man, it must frustrate you to know your country is made up of gun advocates. I know some nice third world countries you can move to if you dont like it. Dont let the door hit you on the way out.

[corvette]

i used to play first person shooter games, like battlefield 1942, quake, unreal, etc...did pretty good, ask ynotbob and yankstodd ;)

then i went paintballing for the first time, the team i was on started on one side and the opposing team was on the other side. i ran as fast as i could to the tower in the middle, thinking i would get in there and be in a good sniping position. When I was there, i popped my head out of one of the windows for a second to get my bearings and look for the opposing team. when i did that, i heard "pop pop pop" as 10-15 rounds hit the wood right next to my head. scared the hell out of me and i spent the next 15 min panting heavily and guarding the entrance, not exposing myself at all. it was like all of the sudden, the rules all changed and my confidence dropped. i could not imagine being in that situation with a real gun and ammo.

unless you can exploit some weakness or you have some advantage, it would be very tough, especially when in panic mode...you have to consider the guy is competent, and assume he would take precautions to keep a distance from any potential attackers, so that he can accomplish his goal, just like you would

im sure many people had the same perspective/thoughts, its a very emotional issue…its a sad realization that some things we have little to no control over

lets say you were the shooter, would you recommend any of us (unarmed) going up against you? or hiding and waiting for the cops to do their job...i would be hard pressed to go up against you

[TampaToker]

Its called being smart and living to see another day

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by corvette

i used to play first person shooter games, like battlefield 1942, quake, unreal, etc...did pretty good, ask ynotbob and yankstodd ;)

then i went paintballing for the first time, the team i was on started on one side and the opposing team was on the other side. i ran as fast as i could to the tower in the middle, thinking i would get in there and be in a good sniping position. When I was there, i popped my head out of one of the windows for a second to get my bearings and look for the opposing team. when i did that, i heard "pop pop pop" as 10-15 rounds hit the wood right next to my head. scared the hell out of me and i spent the next 15 min panting heavily and guarding the entrance, not exposing myself at all. it was like all of the sudden, the rules all changed and my confidence dropped. i could not imagine being in that situation with a real gun and ammo.

unless you can exploit some weakness or you have some advantage, it would be very tough, especially when in panic mode...you have to consider the guy is competent, and assume he would take precautions to keep a distance from any potential attackers, so that he can accomplish his goal, just like you would

im sure many people had the same perspective/thoughts, its a very emotional issue?its a sad realization that some things we have little to no control over

lets say you were the shooter, would you recommend any of us (unarmed) going up against you? or hiding and waiting for the cops to do their job...i would be hard pressed to go up against you

honestly it's a shitty situation I play paintball every sat and we outnumber ourselvs on pourpouse we play like 4 on 50 and win every time.. of course all of us are frm special forces, and our team commander is a 22 year navy seal and now trains the LA swat team so I mean we all have training thast why we do drills like that and win... these cops should have been trained in this type of situation... shit happends...

kind of off subject but I live in a 2 story house yadda yadda anyways my point is.. I acutually do Fire drills with my family.. yes wife and 2 kids to where we will bail out the 2nd story window we do it over and over again it becomes 2nd nature... you never know when the shit is going down.. weather it be fire, shooting, carbon mnoxide, you never know in this world what the danger will be you have to be ready.. last thing I want to do during a fire is be wondering how I am going to get my wife and kids out.. so we know.. we have trained in everyroom in the house because you don't knw when a fire is going to start...


same with gunfights... you want to turn things from actions to reactions.. it takes training... like you said when you popped your head out from behind the bunker you went into a panic because the rest of the game nothing but pop pop pop pop pop.... well I been playing paintball 15 years I acutually calm down when I am under fire.... same with live fire... you have to calm down, take cover, then return fire,,,, with adrenal glands going nutts you may friendly fire... the most common thing with citizens shooting their weapons is they always dump the whole mag... 90% of all citizen involved shooting they just kept firing and firing even if they were missing.. because mentally they feel safter returning fire... the thing is you have to have a target... I reccomend everyone play paintball if they own guns... and if you own guns please train with it... now corvette...
I was just in AZ last month playing in a paintball tourney when you wanna go play... I'll have you on the winning team with the most amount of kills... we took zombiegirl from fettishpaysme.com she played on our team of 4 or 5 and we played against I think that day was like 34 so 34 people vs us we set it up she knocked em down... great day I wanna say she had over 25 kills and didn't get shot once....

[directfiesta]

should get those in all public places in the USA

[corvette]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

honestly it's a shitty situation I play paintball every sat and we outnumber ourselvs on pourpouse we play like 4 on 50 and win every time.. of course all of us are frm special forces, and our team commander is a 22 year navy seal and now trains the LA swat team so I mean we all have training thast why we do drills like that and win... these cops should have been trained in this type of situation... shit happends...

kind of off subject but I live in a 2 story house yadda yadda anyways my point is.. I acutually do Fire drills with my family.. yes wife and 2 kids to where we will bail out the 2nd story window we do it over and over again it becomes 2nd nature... you never know when the shit is going down.. weather it be fire, shooting, carbon mnoxide, you never know in this world what the danger will be you have to be ready.. last thing I want to do during a fire is be wondering how I am going to get my wife and kids out.. so we know.. we have trained in everyroom in the house because you don't knw when a fire is going to start...


same with gunfights... you want to turn things from actions to reactions.. it takes training... like you said when you popped your head out from behind the bunker you went into a panic because the rest of the game nothing but pop pop pop pop pop.... well I been playing paintball 15 years I acutually calm down when I am under fire.... same with live fire... you have to calm down, take cover, then return fire,,,, with adrenal glands going nutts you may friendly fire... the most common thing with citizens shooting their weapons is they always dump the whole mag... 90% of all citizen involved shooting they just kept firing and firing even if they were missing.. because mentally they feel safter returning fire... the thing is you have to have a target... I reccomend everyone play paintball if they own guns... and if you own guns please train with it... now corvette...
I was just in AZ last month playing in a paintball tourney when you wanna go play... I'll have you on the winning team with the most amount of kills... we took zombiegirl from fettishpaysme.com she played on our team of 4 or 5 and we played against I think that day was like 34 so 34 people vs us we set it up she knocked em down... great day I wanna say she had over 25 kills and didn't get shot once....

yea, ill go when you are down here, call or icq me beforehand, i can get some others to go as well...

always a pleasure talking to you

[shoeaholicanon]

No one should have guns. Period.

[Big_Red]

Originally Posted by shoeaholicanon

No one should have guns. Period.

Go back to your fairytale world.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

I am trained and yes I am saying that.... you may get some officers that will acutually fire their weapon on a regular basis but depending on the force that they work for they only have to fire a weapon to "qualify" 4 times a year... now in the military... just because they are in the military they arent "trained" yes they all have boot camp but you think a guidence systems controler is going to be the most profecient with his weapons or is the sniper? I know military guys who are very high rank 0-4 and above who havent fired a weapon in over 20 years....

look man, no offense, but if you were trained at all, you must be able to imagine that no one knows what is going on inside that building. Anybody with a head on their shoulders isnt' going to run in there locked and cocked and hope that there isnt' six kids with high powered rifles just WAITING for a rush..

[g$$$]

yeah...no guns....i think a couple of guys could have took a bullet or two though in order to disarm him..who knows..some probably tried....rest in peace

[Pipecrew]

I gotta agree somewhat, they should of attempted to charge at the guy at the very least. In a situation where your life is at complete risk, you dont want to be laying down waiting to get shot in the head.

Then again, i watched united 93 yesterday for the first time, interesting movie, and out of a whole plane, how many people stepped it up? 6 out of 100?

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

look man, no offense, but if you were trained at all, you must be able to imagine that no one knows what is going on inside that building. Anybody with a head on their shoulders isnt' going to run in there locked and cocked and hope that there isnt' six kids with high powered rifles just WAITING for a rush..

nah bro no offence taken at all thats what it is a debate on a message board... some people like dirty franck take it way to personal and start slandering off subject...

your right you have no idea what your walking in on... but your certian of one thing... shots are being fired and chaos is going on... the cellphone video you can hear the sounds of terror.. which unless youve heard it first hand... it's kind of skin raising to hear grown men scream at the top of the lungs. so as a officer of the law who is sworn to protect and serve and to uphold the law they in my eyes stood by.... I am a citizen, I am a very very well trained citizen but a citizen none the less but I would have felt it my human obligation to help people out because I am trained... is it possiable that you would have walked in on an ambush of 6 kids yes... is the probaility rate of the 6 kids killing your team all at one time very rare... then you get into tactical operations then.. how to clear a house, dorm, .. room for that matter.... there are proper ways and bad ways..... I agree with you 100% they did not know nothing what was going on inside but you ahve to enter to save lives... kind of like the WTC firemen they didn't know it was a terror attack they entered anyways.. those are heros to me... they tried to save human beings lives.... all the cops there did was stand by as more innocent students trying to make their way in life were shamlessly gunned down by some lunitic gun weilding kid with a death wish... at that point your not trying to take a suspect into custody your trying to stop the threat.. for a lack of better words.. they pulled a john kerry during a time of battle Im glad none of those cops are in a foxhole with me cause they'd prolly shoot me in the back from being so scared..... anyone I have spoken with who is also trained were all standing here saying what the fuck were the cops doing... now we havent read the full report and I doubt it will be public anytime soon... so we really don't know.. I know what I saw with my eyes on video.. cops cowering behind a tree shaking in their little boots...

lets go back some years when to idiots help off the entire LAPD with only 2 guns..... did we not learn our lesson then to hit em hard and fast? why do you think they held off the good guys? becuase they were hitting hard fast and strong.. against an entire police dept... that was say 2 vs 200 so your telling me that an entire classroom can't hit em hard? cops can't hit em hard? thats what happends.. anyone ever heard the expression "hesitation will kill you".. well thats what happend.. they hesitated to enter and people got kiled because of it.. it never should have happend that way.... cops enter overwhealm get into a little gunfight, hopefully stop and elimnate the threat.. as far as I see it there is no other option.. he was on a rampage you have to stop the threat and you may have to rist your life in doing so bottom line....

[Ann-Angelcom]

Ok I have to put my two cents in here.

The first thing that stands out to me here in this thread is the defense for carrying guns. When people go back to say that this country was founded on the right to carry a gun it is probably the most ignorant statement that can possibly be made. When this country was founded it took how long to arm a gun with one bullet in the barrel? Remember, you have to go through a whole process just to arm ONE shot. Did they ever imagine carrying a gun that can rapid fire 15 shots? Did they imagine carrying TWO of those at one time? If we were founding the country today, with today's technology, do you thing out lawmakers would allow every joe shmoe to carry a semi automatic gun?? If you think yes, then you are also probably blaming this tragedy on video game violence.

Second, to respond to Danza's initial post. How dare you call the victim of such a disaster a pussy? You ever been in school before? You ever sit down to take a test? Imagine someone opening the door while you are trying to concentrate on passing, which you probably never did, and without warning opening fire. Within a minitue he is done....15 people are hit. Now not only are you dealing with WTF just happened here, in your mind, but you are now looking around to see your wounded class mates, when only minutes ago, your day was normal. Imagine the confusion.

I understand you think you're a tough guy, and you come in here without any compassion, and try to make it seem like you would have gone after the guy and all by your tough guy self would have stopped him, because you are trained, but I guarantee your lame ass wouldn't have done jack shit. You are living in a fantasy if you think otherwise. How about I walk into your room at night while you are asleep, open the door, say one word "HEY" to wake you up, then open fire on you. Let's see how well you react.

And then to go on and talk about how everyone should carry guns, etc. Where are you from? It's that old school mentality from deep down south that has gotten this country into the shit hole that it's in. Our current president represents people like you. A down south HICK red neck. Put the country in their hands and the whole world turns against it.

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

Ok I have to put my two cents in here.

The first thing that stands out to me here in this thread is the defense for carrying guns. When people go back to say that this country was founded on the right to carry a gun it is probably the most ignorant statement that can possibly be made. When this country was founded it took how long to arm a gun with one bullet in the barrel? Remember, you have to go through a whole process just to arm ONE shot. Did they ever imagine carrying a gun that can rapid fire 15 shots? Did they imagine carrying TWO of those at one time? If we were founding the country today, with today's technology, do you thing out lawmakers would allow every joe shmoe to carry a semi automatic gun?? If you think yes, then you are also probably blaming this tragedy on video game violence.

Second, to respond to Danza's initial post. How dare you call the victim of such a disaster a pussy? You ever been in school before? You ever sit down to take a test? Imagine someone opening the door while you are trying to concentrate on passing, which you probably never did, and without warning opening fire. Within a minitue he is done....15 people are hit. Now not only are you dealing with WTF just happened here, in your mind, but you are now looking around to see your wounded class mates, when only minutes ago, your day was normal. Imagine the confusion.

I understand you think you're a tough guy, and you come in here without any compassion, and try to make it seem like you would have gone after the guy and all by your tough guy self would have stopped him, because you are trained, but I guarantee your lame ass wouldn't have done jack shit. You are living in a fantasy if you think otherwise. How about I walk into your room at night while you are asleep, open the door, say one word "HEY" to wake you up, then open fire on you. Let's see how well you react.

And then to go on and talk about how everyone should carry guns, etc. Where are you from? It's that old school mentality from deep down south that has gotten this country into the shit hole that it's in. Our current president represents people like you. A down south HICK red neck. Put the country in their hands and the whole world turns against it.

well sir yes I would have donesomething... thats the part of training and turning actions into reactions.. there are classes in every city for people to take classes I belive their called self defence classes.. all you ahve to do is do a google search for self defence classes in (your city) and you will find many many classes on it.. they go from everything from disgruntle worker in the workplace to to blindside attack.... dood there all over.. now would I have TRIED to stop that situation YES without a doubt.. COULD i have stopped it? you never know dood I like to think I could but you never know... you really never but if no one tried.... every interview I have heard they were running jumping out windows, baracading doors..... I havent heard any offence stories only defence... a strong defence goes a long way but a stronger offence will go farther..... some things are facts man some things are hollywood.... will to live is strong in the eye of death but pain is only weakness leaving the body... if your a stand by er I don't want you in a foxhole with me either....

on to your challenge I say try it... if you think you can make it in my house and my room and then still be able to get rounds off... I do say go for it..... like in all reality... if you want to and really think you could... ICQ me I will give you my address here in Las Vegas NV I am not to worried about that... if you think you can out move me in a tactical situation then by all means dood give me the time and the place and where to post up.. then go ahead and try to ambush me see what happends.... we can go paintballs or live rounds don;t matter to me... you can sit there and say what you want... but only one person on this board has ever seen me in a tactical type situation and seen me provaile as did she... and we were outnumbered out gunned ect ect... so like I say say what you will and if you think you can prove me wrong then I say do it.... I don't know your training you may be able to prove me wrong for all I know your a fucking mercenary... but if you were trained then you would know what I know as far as the reality of a gunfight... way bullets travel.. drop rate.. crush cavity, ect ect... everything thinks just cause someone is shooting there fucked and it's not that.. quick thinking and reactions to stuff can stop alot of crimes...

[rowan]

Someone made a good point in another thread: if everyone is armed, how do you know whether the person next to you shooting at someone is trying to disarm a madman, or is the madman themselves?

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by rowan

Someone made a good point in another thread: if everyone is armed, how do you know whether the person next to you shooting at someone is trying to disarm a madman, or is the madman themselves?

shoot everyone let god sort that shit out later? I have no idea.... have to make a judgement call I guess...

I tried to get the red armband law to congress years ago but they threw it out.. I think any female under 18 shuold wear a red armband so guys know to leave em alone... did congress do that? nope they mix em in with sococity

[Pornopat]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

we took zombiegirl from fettishpaysme.com she played on our team of 4 or 5 and we played against I think that day was like 34 so 34 people vs us we set it up she knocked em down... great day I wanna say she had over 25 kills and didn't get shot once....

That is an interesting last statement. The surprise that she did not even get shot once.
You realise that real life is not a game of paintball and getting shot only once often means death?
Die? Children growing up without a father or mother?
There is no "Game over, insert coin to continue".
BANG means you are dead. The end.

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by Pornopat

That is an interesting last statement. The surprise that she did not even get shot once.
You realise that real life is not a game of paintball and getting shot only once often means death?
Die? Children growing up without a father or mother?
There is no "Game over, insert coin to continue".
BANG means you are dead. The end.

this is true... sometimes you only get shot once in real life... that is a fact..

I have been in both real life and paintball and I would rank paintball the closest thing to the real thing.. because you are still getting SHOT AT... that being said you wipe off and think to yourself what you did wrong and try to correct that next time... this thread is about everyone standing by...

let me ask you personally

would you have sat by, ran, or done something?

[Shakula]

Originally Posted by boneprone

Sorry if I come off a racist with the term negro.

But stats show in the case of stealing guns, or robbing, they are typical negro in nature.

Dont worry, after all the killer is your fellow south korean brother!
We can overlook the word negro, because of this.

[Michaelious]

It just seems utterly crazy

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

would you have sat by, ran, or done something?

None of the above. Anyone who the courts sent to a mental hospital because they were a danger to themselves shouldn't of had a gun to start with.

[dv2]

How about this example: Your 21 years old, go out drinking with your buddies.
You get a little over indulgent and start getting rowdy.
So instead of a fist fight and ending up with a black eye...everyone should
be pulling out their handguns and settle the drunken issue with bullets?

I know...if everybody was packin heat...the world would be safer.

[Pornopat]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

this is true... sometimes you only get shot once in real life... that is a fact..

I have been in both real life and paintball and I would rank paintball the closest thing to the real thing.. because you are still getting SHOT AT... that being said you wipe off and think to yourself what you did wrong and try to correct that next time... this thread is about everyone standing by...

let me ask you personally

would you have sat by, ran, or done something?

If I saw an opportunity I would have done something. Only if I saw one though. I am a veteran of the first Gulf War and I have seen real "heroes". I have also seen real "heroes" getting killed because they took things easily. They endangered them selves and often their buddies because of unnessecary risks. I never played paintball. I have always thought of it as a silly hormone game.

I might have gone after the guy if there were no snipers or other trained persons available and I was sure there would be more killings.

That being said : I am trained and I have been in real situations. I dont support the widespread of guns though because there are more crazy people then trained people. I am very happy knowing that it might be hard for me to get a gun but it is even harder for them to get a gun. There are professionals and they are called police. I agree with you that they did a shitty job here but I would like to be able to depend on them for my safety and the safety of others.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

nah bro no offence taken at all thats what it is a debate on a message board... some people like dirty franck take it way to personal and start slandering off subject...

your right you have no idea what your walking in on... but your certian of one thing... shots are being fired and chaos is going on... the cellphone video you can hear the sounds of terror.. which unless youve heard it first hand... it's kind of skin raising to hear grown men scream at the top of the lungs. so as a officer of the law who is sworn to protect and serve and to uphold the law they in my eyes stood by.... I am a citizen, I am a very very well trained citizen but a citizen none the less but I would have felt it my human obligation to help people out because I am trained... is it possiable that you would have walked in on an ambush of 6 kids yes... is the probaility rate of the 6 kids killing your team all at one time very rare... then you get into tactical operations then.. how to clear a house, dorm, .. room for that matter.... there are proper ways and bad ways..... I agree with you 100% they did not know nothing what was going on inside but you ahve to enter to save lives... kind of like the WTC firemen they didn't know it was a terror attack they entered anyways.. those are heros to me... they tried to save human beings lives.... all the cops there did was stand by as more innocent students trying to make their way in life were shamlessly gunned down by some lunitic gun weilding kid with a death wish... at that point your not trying to take a suspect into custody your trying to stop the threat.. for a lack of better words.. they pulled a john kerry during a time of battle Im glad none of those cops are in a foxhole with me cause they'd prolly shoot me in the back from being so scared..... anyone I have spoken with who is also trained were all standing here saying what the fuck were the cops doing... now we havent read the full report and I doubt it will be public anytime soon... so we really don't know.. I know what I saw with my eyes on video.. cops cowering behind a tree shaking in their little boots...

lets go back some years when to idiots help off the entire LAPD with only 2 guns..... did we not learn our lesson then to hit em hard and fast? why do you think they held off the good guys? becuase they were hitting hard fast and strong.. against an entire police dept... that was say 2 vs 200 so your telling me that an entire classroom can't hit em hard? cops can't hit em hard? thats what happends.. anyone ever heard the expression "hesitation will kill you".. well thats what happend.. they hesitated to enter and people got kiled because of it.. it never should have happend that way.... cops enter overwhealm get into a little gunfight, hopefully stop and elimnate the threat.. as far as I see it there is no other option.. he was on a rampage you have to stop the threat and you may have to rist your life in doing so bottom line....

first thing, i agree with you about the cops just standing there.. but be careful about that, cause we don't know what they were doing. My point was a good one, but you can also say that they were covering parimeter. Which i can only hope was the case.

About the rest.. i find society mildly scary now, because we have so many morals and values and expectations that are only in doubt do to fear and reactionism.

Where i agree with the idea of hard and fast is the best way to go, but is it right to take away the people who do these things rights? That just opens such a can of worms..

R

[RawAlex]

So what you are saying is that all school children, say when they enter kindergarten, should be given a weapon... so that if anything bad happens in their school, they can protect themselves, right?

Kewl shit.

[Ann-Angelcom]

LOL, ok no more debate I figured out why this guy made this thread! He is one of those typical online tough guys. He makes statements like this online because it makes his nuts feel bigger.

First you come in here and make an absurd statement that only someone living in the fantasy of the online world would make, regarding stopping an armed killer who opens fire without notice, THEN, you challange me to come to your house! LOL

First of all this is GFY, not I KIll PEOPLE FORUMS, or some shit like that. Obviously no one here is coming to your house to shoot you and you know it. I doubt you would have made the same statement on a forum where the members are ,say, escaped convicts. Why do I doubt it? Because you are an internet tough guy. You talk shit when you know you're safe.

Secondly, sure I close my eyes and picture myself in that school running out of my class and jumping the armed guy, and having the ability to help my classmates. Hell even take a bullet for the hot girl in class. And then she falls in love with me. But I know, it's a fucking fantasy! I would never have the audacity to say those poor student victims were pussies!

Finally, when you said you had training, I was picturing an ex marine or something like that. You went to your neighborhood self defense class?? LOL I'm not coming to your house, I have better things to do, I don't know about you. But I DO think that the next time someone who reads this thread sees you at a convention, they should just reach out and punch you in the head one time for every student who was a victim here, that you so boldly attack in this thread.

Normally I don't respond to threads like this, nor do I get so heated, but when someone is stupid enough to verbally attack a dead child who was the victim of a brutal crime, I have to say something, no matter how delusional the person making the statements may actually be.