All about this RSS bullshit!!! - GoFuckYourself.com

webgeek · 03-22-2007, 04:49 PM

When do the webmasters will understand ?
RSS syndication is going to ruin your business.
You're all grabbing the same RSS feeds again and again and posting it without any mofication. You're thinking you'll put the sign-ups to autopilot but all you'll get is a HUGE BAN FROM GOOGLE.

doesn't anyone hear about content duplication???

everyday at least 4-5 threads are asking for RSS feeds. you'll just ruin your business. it's redicilous...

Jace · 03-22-2007, 04:52 PM

LOL...ever think that people use rss as a base content and re-write it before posting?

and let me just say one thing in regards to the duplicate content myth.....associated press....have any idea what they are and what they do? and the millions of sites that use them?

munki · 03-22-2007, 04:52 PM

hrrmm... so there's one opinion.

munki · 03-22-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

LOL...ever think that people use rss as a base content and re-write it before posting?

and let me just say one thing in regards to the duplicate content myth.....associated press....have any idea what they are and what they do? and the millions of sites that use them?

and there's the one I was waiting on...

good timing...

Jace · 03-22-2007, 04:53 PM

btw, sorry you can't think out of the box enough to know how rss can be, and is being, used properly and not be penalized

Mr Pheer · 03-22-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek

everyday at least 4-5 threads are asking for RSS feeds. you'll just ruin your business. it's redicilous...

yep.

teg0 · 03-22-2007, 04:54 PM

I had someone taking a feed from one of my blogs and running it on his blog. I just left a comment explaining how that was a bad idea and he quietly removed it.

webgeek · 03-22-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

LOL...ever think that people use rss as a base content and re-write it before posting?

and let me just say one thing in regards to the duplicate content myth.....associated press....have any idea what they are and what they do? and the millions of sites that use them?

that's myth you believe. do you know anything about authority sites???
AP site will always get higher PR from any site that is publishing it.

most webmasters don't even care about rewriting it. just post on auto pilot.

Profits of Doom · 03-22-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

LOL...ever think that people use rss as a base content and re-write it before posting?

and let me just say one thing in regards to the duplicate content myth.....associated press....have any idea what they are and what they do? and the millions of sites that use them?

I've always had this question myself. If you use an RSS feed as is but also add your own original blog posts you won't run into that problem, right?

Jace · 03-22-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by teg0

I had someone taking a feed from one of my blogs and running it on his blog. I just left a comment explaining how that was a bad idea and he quietly removed it.

now that I don't think is fair use....rss feeds from sponsors is one thing, but grabbing another blogs rss feeds and using them is shady

Jace · 03-22-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek

that's myth you believe. do you know anything about authority sites???
AP site will always get higher PR from any site that is publishing it.

most webmasters don't even care about rewriting it. just post on auto pilot.

why are you so worried about what every one else is doing?

webgeek · 03-22-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

btw, sorry you can't think out of the box enough to know how rss can be, and is being, used properly and not be penalized

well I know what to do. but check some threads for the webmasters who's asking for RSS. their sites are just on auto pilot.

Jace · 03-22-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

I've always had this question myself. If you use an RSS feed as is but also add your own original blog posts you won't run into that problem, right?

I am no expert by any means, but I have never had any issues using ALL rss feeds, so I would imagine a original blog with rss posts scattered in there will be just fine

Jace · 03-22-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek

well I know what to do. but check some threads for the webmasters who's asking for RSS. their sites are just on auto pilot.

WHO CARES?

let them do that, or are they hurting you in some way?

webgeek · 03-22-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

why are you so worried about what every one else is doing?

I'm not worried. I'm just sad that ppl are so ignorant. that's why I felt like I have to tell it.

cones · 03-22-2007, 05:00 PM

thanx for sharing

webgeek · 03-22-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

WHO CARES?

let them do that, or are they hurting you in some way?

maybe I'm abit pissed off too.
because the same lame asses think they are the king of web and give you bullshit on whatever thread they can.
they have no clue about what they are doing. just bullllllllll

Profits of Doom · 03-22-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

I am no expert by any means, but I have never had any issues using ALL rss feeds, so I would imagine a original blog with rss posts scattered in there will be just fine

Ok cool, I had always heard the same thing as far as the duplicate content issue and assumed it as fact. The blog I'm working on is going to be using feeds mixed with my own original content.

webgeek · 03-22-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

Ok cool, I had always heard the same thing as far as the duplicate content issue and assumed it as fact. The blog I'm working on is going to be using feeds mixed with my own original content.

that's whay I'm talking about. you must have your original content!!!
RSS is good for syndicating other's content like a blogroll etc.

Jace · 03-22-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

Ok cool, I had always heard the same thing as far as the duplicate content issue and assumed it as fact. The blog I'm working on is going to be using feeds mixed with my own original content.

http://searchengineland.com/070315-100022.php

Sosa · 03-22-2007, 05:16 PM

that is what autp blogger pro is for!

webgeek · 03-22-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

http://searchengineland.com/070315-100022.php

yeah it's a myth and a guy from google was there to talk about "how do you search porn on google?"

and their patent filing on content duplication is just another trick so they can get some tax credit.

also global warming doesn't exist too...

luv$ · 03-22-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

LOL...ever think that people use rss as a base content and re-write it before posting?

and let me just say one thing in regards to the duplicate content myth.....associated press....have any idea what they are and what they do? and the millions of sites that use them?

You beat me to it...

Jace · 03-22-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek

yeah it's a myth and a guy from google was there to talk about "how do you search porn on google?"

and their patent filing on content duplication is just another trick so they can get some tax credit.

also global warming doesn't exist too...

um...did you even read the article?

tenderobject · 03-22-2007, 05:18 PM

uhmm ok..

im testing a blog network using feeds from sponsor let see how it works but so far its ok. after that i'll ad a custom gallery feeds on each sites i think that would be fine.

StarkReality · 03-22-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

Ok cool, I had always heard the same thing as far as the duplicate content issue and assumed it as fact. The blog I'm working on is going to be using feeds mixed with my own original content.

Yup, that's an effective way, write yourself and fill it with posts from feeds here and there.

Duplicate content doesn't mean you get banned, that's bullshit, it just means the page with duplicate content may rank worse. It only becomes a problem if all or most of the posts are from one single sponsor feed, and even then it rarely leads to a ban...it just ranks shitty.

Duplicate content on the same domain is by far more dangerous and since many people don't know how to get their templates and link structure setup correctly, 100% self written blogs are in danger as well. Why ? Because every post is indexed via 3 or 4 different URLs...and that's what hurts.

Many webmasters even let google grab www.domain.com and domain.com because they don't use 2 simple lines of code in the .htaccess, so they will get like 8 different URLs for every single post (worst case). No surprise if they get banned.

Jace · 03-22-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by StarkReality

Yup, that's an effective way, write yourself and fill it with posts from feeds here and there.

Duplicate content doesn't mean you get banned, that's bullshit, it just means the page with duplicate content may rank worse. It only becomes a problem if all or most of the posts are from one single sponsor feed, and even then it rarely leads to a ban...it just ranks shitty.

Duplicate content on the same domain is by far more dangerous and since many people don't know how to get their templates and link structure setup correctly, 100% self written blogs are in danger as well. Why ? Because every post is indexed via 3 or 4 different URLs...and that's what hurts.

Many webmasters even let google grab www.domain.com and domain.com because they don't use 2 simple lines of code in the .htaccess, so they will get like 8 different URLs for every single post (worst case). No surprise if they get banned.

EXCELLENT post

kektex · 03-22-2007, 05:23 PM

It´s a good idea to rewrite your content as well as mix it with original content.
Duplicate content filters are not a myth.It sucks to have your whole site thrown in to supplemental hell.
If anyone is looking for a feed rewriter click here. I´ve been using it on a couple of sites now and so far it´s working great.
Sometimes the Markov outputs some hard to understand shit but in the end all you want is the surfer to click through.

webgeek · 03-22-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by StarkReality

Yup, that's an effective way, write yourself and fill it with posts from feeds here and there.

Duplicate content doesn't mean you get banned, that's bullshit, it just means the page with duplicate content may rank worse. It only becomes a problem if all or most of the posts are from one single sponsor feed, and even then it rarely leads to a ban...it just ranks shitty.

Duplicate content on the same domain is by far more dangerous and since many people don't know how to get their templates and link structure setup correctly, 100% self written blogs are in danger as well. Why ? Because every post is indexed via 3 or 4 different URLs...and that's what hurts.

Many webmasters even let google grab www.domain.com and domain.com because they don't use 2 simple lines of code in the .htaccess, so they will get like 8 different URLs for every single post (worst case). No surprise if they get banned.

I mostly agree...

tenderobject · 03-22-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kektex

It´s a good idea to rewrite your content as well as mix it with original content.
Duplicate content filters are not a myth.It sucks to have your whole site thrown in to supplemental hell.
If anyone is looking for a feed rewriter click here. I´ve been using it on a couple of sites now and so far it´s working great.
Sometimes the Markov outputs some hard to understand shit but in the end all you want is the surfer to click through.

how do you re-write feeds before it is posted in your blogs?

webgeek · 03-22-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

um...did you even read the article?

I've just finished.

kektex · 03-22-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by StarkReality

Duplicate content doesn't mean you get banned, that's bullshit, it just means the page with duplicate content may rank worse. It only becomes a problem if all or most of the posts are from one single sponsor feed, and even then it rarely leads to a ban...it just ranks shitty.

If you have the same content that 50 other sites have google will try to take a guess, using domain authority, as to what the original site might be.The rest just get thrown in to supplemental or they rank horribly.
Duplicate content filter is that: a filter.Your site wont get banned or penalized, it just wont rank.

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Originally Posted by StarkReality

Duplicate content on the same domain is by far more dangerous and since many people don't know how to get their templates and link structure setup correctly, 100% self written blogs are in danger as well. Why ? Because every post is indexed via 3 or 4 different URLs...and that's what hurts

Wordpress sucks at this.You have duplicate posts everywhere: on the archives, the category pages,tag pages,etc.
Again what happens here is that google just picks the version of the content that it thinks might be the original one on your site.
That happened to me on my first blog: all my domain.com/post/feed pages where getting indexed and the actual posts where nowhere to be found.
Learn to use robots.txt and NOINDEX

kektex · 03-22-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tenderobject

how do you re-write feeds before it is posted in your blogs?

The software does it using a Markov rewriter. It replaces some words with synonims and moves sentences,etc.
Sometimes it outputs some gibberish but its an automated process and if you are running 10 blogs its a real time saver.

munki · 03-22-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kektex

The software does it using a Markov rewriter. It replaces some words with synonims and moves sentences,etc.
Sometimes it outputs some gibberish but its an automated process and if you are running 10 blogs its a real time saver.

webgeek · 03-22-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kektex

Wordpress sucks at this.You have duplicate posts everywhere: on the archives, the category pages,tag pages,etc.
Again what happens here is that google just picks the version of the content that it thinks might be the original one on your site.
That happened to me on my first blog: all my domain.com/post/feed pages where getting indexed and the actual posts where nowhere to be found.
Learn to use robots.txt and NOINDEX

here you are, how to do it.
http://www.filination.com/tech/2007/...t-duplication/

kektex · 03-22-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by munki

Heh, I dont understand that Kobe pic...

More reading:
WordPress And Google: Avoiding Duplicate Content Issues

The Illustrated Guide to Duplicate Content in the Search Engines

I've had like 20 SEO sites' feeds on my feed reader hehe...it takes like 1 hour every morning to go through them but it's totally worth it.

kektex · 03-22-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek

here you are, how to do it.
http://www.filination.com/tech/2007/...t-duplication/

Yeah I sorted it out like 3 months ago and the difference it makes is huge...anyone using wordpress read that site and the WMW thread I posted above.

StarkReality · 03-22-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek

here you are, how to do it.
http://www.filination.com/tech/2007/...t-duplication/

A first step, but there will still be alot of DC, a really easy and effective pulgin is Search Engine Management

Upload 1 file, activate, configure via checkboxes, done

tenderobject · 03-22-2007, 06:29 PM

this thread is turning into a good thread keep on posting WP/blog/SE gurus and give the noobs some advice/tips etc!

kektex · 03-22-2007, 07:08 PM

Another important thing I forgot about WP that sucks SEO wise is that you have to check if your theme has the same meta description tag on all pages.
Either write unique ones (which is the best solution) or dont use the description meta tag and let the bots decide the snippet of content they are going to use.
The last solution is not good because (as I learnt the hard way) sometimes the designs might have, for example, your side menu text first.Then all your descriptions in your google serps will have the menu text in them.And a good description on the serps might be what gets the surfer clicking to your blog.

I use this plugin that lets me write the meta description tag, or if I´m lazy it just takes the first sentences of the post for the description:
http://guff.szub.net/2005/09/01/head-meta-description/

Jace · 03-22-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kektex

Another important thing I forgot about WP that sucks SEO wise is that you have to check if your theme has the same meta description tag on all pages.
Either write unique ones (which is the best solution) or dont use the description meta tag and let the bots decide the snippet of content they are going to use.
The last solution is not good because (as I learnt the hard way) sometimes the designs might have, for example, your side menu text first.Then all your descriptions in your google serps will have the menu text in them.And a good description on the serps might be what gets the surfer clicking to your blog.

I use this plugin that lets me write the meta description tag, or if I´m lazy it just takes the first sentences of the post for the description:
http://guff.szub.net/2005/09/01/head-meta-description/

yup, I use the AutoMeta plugin, it fucking rocks

mattz · 03-22-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek

When do the webmasters will understand ?
RSS syndication is going to ruin your business.
You're all grabbing the same RSS feeds again and again and posting it without any mofication. You're thinking you'll put the sign-ups to autopilot but all you'll get is a HUGE BAN FROM GOOGLE.

doesn't anyone hear about content duplication???

everyday at least 4-5 threads are asking for RSS feeds. you'll just ruin your business. it's redicilous...

lol thanks for a great laugh, rss feeds make me thousands a month

I've never once used a rss feed on any of my sites with not editing / rewriting them first

kektex · 03-22-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mattz

lol thanks for a great laugh, rss feeds make me thousands a month

I've never once used a rss feed on any of my sites with not editing / rewriting them first

That´s the thing, webgeek is talking about the people that think they can throw up a blog with a bunch of feeds, then just sit back and watch the traffic roll in.
And google is getting smarter everyday, I´ve had rewritten articles getting thrown down to 30+ serps on some of my mainstream sites.
Check out this google patent on finding near duplicate content:
http://www.cs.umd.edu/~pugh/google/Duplicates.pdf

uno · 03-22-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

LOL...ever think that people use rss as a base content and re-write it before posting?

and let me just say one thing in regards to the duplicate content myth.....associated press....have any idea what they are and what they do? and the millions of sites that use them?

Why even waste your breath?

tenderobject · 03-22-2007, 07:26 PM

damn i need a tool that i can rewrite feeds before it get posted im using rss2anywhere for the feeds to get posted in my sites.. but can;t edit the feeds manually after i imported it in rss2anywhere

Zoose · 03-22-2007, 07:33 PM

I assume you guys talking about rewriting the content are doing this automatically somehow..? Otherwise why not just write your own posts? :confused

Jace · 03-22-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoose

I assume you guys talking about rewriting the content are doing this automatically somehow..? Otherwise why not just write your own posts? :confused

the answer is in the thread

Zoose · 03-22-2007, 07:38 PM

Tender, check out http://www.rssmagician.com/ . I haven't tried it but I would imagine the output is clunky at best.

uno · 03-22-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

the answer is in the thread

Use the Force, young Skywalker.

Zoose · 03-22-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

the answer is in the thread

The thing with rewriting using RSSMagician or any other content rewriter though, is if multiple people use the same script, then it puts you right back where you started, no? Multiple people throwing the same RSS feed through the same algorithm = duplicate content. I mean I'm sure the script is configurable but .. ugh. You might as well just import all dictionary words greater then 5 characters into a database, pull 10 at random and sprinkle in keywords

03-22-2007, 04:49 PM	#1
webgeek Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 165	All about this RSS bullshit!!! When do the webmasters will understand ? RSS syndication is going to ruin your business. You're all grabbing the same RSS feeds again and again and posting it without any mofication. You're thinking you'll put the sign-ups to autopilot but all you'll get is a HUGE BAN FROM GOOGLE. doesn't anyone hear about content duplication??? everyday at least 4-5 threads are asking for RSS feeds. you'll just ruin your business. it's redicilous... __________________ webgeek

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munki Do Fun Shit. Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OC Posts: 13,393	hrrmm... so there's one opinion. __________________ “I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best.” -Oscar Wilde

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tenderobject Need Designs? 312352846 Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 11,687	uhmm ok.. im testing a blog network using feeds from sponsor let see how it works but so far its ok. after that i'll ad a custom gallery feeds on each sites i think that would be fine. __________________ NEED DESIGNS?!?

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tenderobject Need Designs? 312352846 Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 11,687	this thread is turning into a good thread keep on posting WP/blog/SE gurus and give the noobs some advice/tips etc! __________________ NEED DESIGNS?!?

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tenderobject Need Designs? 312352846 Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 11,687	damn i need a tool that i can rewrite feeds before it get posted im using rss2anywhere for the feeds to get posted in my sites.. but can;t edit the feeds manually after i imported it in rss2anywhere __________________ NEED DESIGNS?!?

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Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	LOL...ever think that people use rss as a base content and re-write it before posting? and let me just say one thing in regards to the duplicate content myth.....associated press....have any idea what they are and what they do? and the millions of sites that use them?

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Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	btw, sorry you can't think out of the box enough to know how rss can be, and is being, used properly and not be penalized

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teg0 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gringo in Puerto Rico Posts: 4,204	I had someone taking a feed from one of my blogs and running it on his blog. I just left a comment explaining how that was a bad idea and he quietly removed it.

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cones So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 571	thanx for sharing

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Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	that is what autp blogger pro is for!

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kektex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: elkektex at gmail Posts: 1,813	It´s a good idea to rewrite your content as well as mix it with original content. Duplicate content filters are not a myth.It sucks to have your whole site thrown in to supplemental hell. If anyone is looking for a feed rewriter click here. I´ve been using it on a couple of sites now and so far it´s working great. Sometimes the Markov outputs some hard to understand shit but in the end all you want is the surfer to click through.

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kektex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: elkektex at gmail Posts: 1,813	Another important thing I forgot about WP that sucks SEO wise is that you have to check if your theme has the same meta description tag on all pages. Either write unique ones (which is the best solution) or dont use the description meta tag and let the bots decide the snippet of content they are going to use. The last solution is not good because (as I learnt the hard way) sometimes the designs might have, for example, your side menu text first.Then all your descriptions in your google serps will have the menu text in them.And a good description on the serps might be what gets the surfer clicking to your blog. I use this plugin that lets me write the meta description tag, or if I´m lazy it just takes the first sentences of the post for the description: http://guff.szub.net/2005/09/01/head-meta-description/

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Zoose Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 268	I assume you guys talking about rewriting the content are doing this automatically somehow..? Otherwise why not just write your own posts? :confused

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Zoose Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 268	Tender, check out http://www.rssmagician.com/ . I haven't tried it but I would imagine the output is clunky at best.