State Of The Industry with Legendary Lars? - Page 5 - GoFuckYourself.com

tony286 · 03-19-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

HAHAHA... my point exactly... Its all out there, so what's the issue?

if they didnt make money off of giving it away , it would make 85 percent of it go away. Thats the point foster brooks lol

sextoyking · 03-19-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

is anyone in this thread going to phoenix or will you all be busy traveling with jimmy carter that weekend?

I will be with my friend Hillary - Madam President

Verbal · 03-19-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

This coming from a representative of a company that employs a molester and a thief. Big surprise.

Regardless of how much he sent out, a significant percentage of it comes from supporting content theft and admittedly using spyware to steal affiliate signups.

We all have our morals, our ethics, our line so to speak. And when we feel our line has been crossed, we speak out. This is trait of human kind, it's not unique to the adult industry. No matter where you look, you'll see people speaking out against injustice, theft, etc.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't make a killing in adult, since I don't apply myself anywhere near as fully as I could. But I'm comfortable with the money I make as well as how I make it. I take pride in the fact that I don't use shady tactics to increase my revenue.

Wizzo, you mentioned your lawyers. Have you ever successfully sued anyone for stealing your content? Have you ever even tried?

I pulled all my links from Cams.com which Lars is associated with. My AFF links were pulled long before the Zango drama because they simply weren't making me as much as other programs.

I'm fully aware how easily I could make bushels of cash with Zango. I consciously choose not to. That's where I draw my line.

You are a better person than most ... including myself. AFF states in their TOS that they have the right to close an account if it stops sending traffic.
I assume most people are on the percentage program and would not risk losing their recurring income from this. Were you on their recurring or PPS program?

KrisKross · 03-19-2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Verbal

You are a better person than most ... including myself. AFF states in their TOS that they have the right to close an account if it stops sending traffic.
I assume most people are on the percentage program and would not risk losing their recurring income from this. Were you on their recurring or PPS program?

Like I said, it's a matter of morals and ethics. You have yours, I have mine. I simply choose not to do business with a company that admits to stealing from people I do business with and people who are friends of mine.

I was recurring. But my recurring dried up long before this drama. In fact, probably even before Lars was at AFF. I never sent much traffic to AFF because there's stuff out there that converts better.

Verbal · 03-19-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

Like I said, it's a matter of morals and ethics. You have yours, I have mine. I simply choose not to do business with a company that admits to stealing from people I do business with and people who are friends of mine.

I was recurring. But my recurring dried up long before this drama. In fact, probably even before Lars was at AFF. I never sent much traffic to AFF because there's stuff out there that converts better.

It doesnt sound like you had a lot riding on your ethics. Please dont get me wrong, I totally understand where you are coming from. My point was that out of all the keyboard warriors that post here huffing and puffing about AFF, I doubt that many of them do anything other than jump on the bandwagon for sig placement.

Legendary_Samir · 03-19-2007, 10:32 PM

where's Batts? Oh wait, its not his battle!

will76 · 03-19-2007, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

"Originally Posted by Wizzo
When did this industry turn into a bunch of whiny bitches that make no money? I missed the memo.... Lars has sent me MILLIONS of Dollars over the years, literally and is truly a VERY savy guy... I think its time to thin the heard in this business for sure... "

I'm glad you spoke up Wizzo as I was just about to. Lars is one of the smartest business men in the entire business he has made people MILLIONS! I think people in this industry have short memories and I guess everyone is only as good as their last paycheque.

He has spent well over 7 figures with us and we truly appreciate his business.

DH

whinny bitch who still makes a lot of money if that counts for anything.

yeah and I wonder how much he has made off of your customers....

Think about it, spyware is rampit on p2p, hell even bear share makes you download zango before you can use it. You sell traffic to people who Lars steals it from by using zango. But yet because he spends 7 figures with you you think he is top notch and the fact he steals should be forgotten because he spends so much money with YOU.

He has never made me a penny. He has cost me money though. Why the fuck should i care if he had made you money, what does that have to do with anything. You make a blanket statement that doesn't apply to very many people.

Sad, your whole post could have been summed up with

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

"" He has spent well over 7 figures with us and we truly appreciate his business.

DH

SO DH, do you think your customers make less than they could because some of the traffic you sell them is intercepted by spyware.

honest question.

will76 · 03-19-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

Now your just braging DH, no one makes 7 figures in this biz...

BTW... hit me tomorrow, I think we might have some biz to do...

birds of a feather, stench of a skunk, how does that saying go....

boneprone · 03-19-2007, 10:50 PM

On a more serious note, I was wonder if DH has that pic from three years ago with my wife and the Joey Fatone guy.. Now a superstar on dancing with the stars!!

Post it sometime on my myspace page negro!

will76 · 03-19-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

ROFL...moral of this thread: if you send someone big checks you can get away with anything

hey jace sounds like you are not a member of the Bros club. I know the feeling my application has been rejected so many times i can't count. It seems i don't make any programs here money, i don't provide them with a service, and dont throw parties, kiss ass, or buy drinks. I am as outsider (and not cool) as you can get.

Anyway, if you want to join the good guys club let me know.

will76 · 03-19-2007, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

Tony if you spent what he spent with me I would kiss your ass too LOL!

No in all seriousness I like Lars as a person and really enjoy our conversations when we meet up at shows. I just think Lars has been strung up as a crucifixition in this industry and it's sad to see... Aff has thrown so many parties, sponsored so many functions and threw what 2 Playboy Mansion Parties and gave away a fucking ferrari?? LOL!

I think there are much worse people in the industry that should be up on the gfy martyr slab than Lars. Lars in my opinion is one of the GOOD guys in the industry, fuck I could name alot worse that do nothing but rape and pillage our industry.

DH

What a fucking moron.

What a fucking moron.

one more time, what a fucking moron.

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

I just think Lars has been strung up as a crucifixition in this industry and it's sad to see... Aff has thrown so many parties, sponsored so many functions and threw what 2 Playboy Mansion Parties and gave away a fucking ferrari?? LOL!

so because he threw parties and ran contest and sponsored functions you think that offsets stealing from everyone here ?

What a fucking dumb ass thing to say and to think for that matter.

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

fuck I could name alot worse that do nothing but rape and pillage our industry.

DH

LIKE ? please do share. Who that posts on GFY is doing worse than what AFF does. Their sites have tons of stolen content, using scumware to steal sales, they allow people on password trading sites to promote them....

Name 1 person who posts on GFY that does worse than them.... please share.

V_RocKs · 03-20-2007, 01:04 AM

AFF are corporate assholes now...

I move that Sleazy remove their Ambush Interviews...

Ohh wait... Sleazy is corporate too...

Well, I guess he is perfect for the state of the industry then.

V_RocKs · 03-20-2007, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

Aff has thrown so many parties, sponsored so many functions and threw what 2 Playboy Mansion Parties and gave away a fucking ferrari....

Give this man 30 silver pieces and he will give you Jesus of Nazareth!

Pimpin_J · 03-20-2007, 01:18 AM

Oh lord.......

CDSmith · 03-20-2007, 01:39 AM

While it's commendable to want to defend one's friend, there are some instances when you'd be doing that friend a far bigger service by telling him that what he is doing is wrong. It's also nice to speak up about the money you've made from that friend, but so too is it obvious that we'd all be making a lot MORE money if that friend and others like him weren't supporting those that steal cash directly out of our pockets. Anyone that truly understands the Zango business model would know this and agree.

Maybe those defending their old friend and their wonderful client with deep pockets are the true whiners here, if there has to be whiners at all that is. The malodorous stench of asskissing is certainly present. For it is they who choose to ignore the theft that is going on right under their own noses and instead throw ridicule and insults at those who are merely voicing their protest against said thievery, or to use an even better word... scumbaggery, all the while praising the thieves as being captains of the industry and buyers of many drinks and much partying. Incredible, yet incredibly transparent.

Yes, it becomes scumbaggery when your old friend, that great guy who has spent gazillions with you on advertising or sent cheques to you that only a large dumptruck could carry, chooses to support companies that by their very nature steal from all of us (including you), all the while basically laughing it off and ignoring the concerns of affiliates.

I'm not singling anyone out in particular but I would hazard a guess that Lars takes the lion's share of the heat because the company he represents is at the top of the heap as being named one of the worst offenders of supporting the zangos of the world. There are certainly others who are on that offenders list with him... http://www.zangoblacklist.com/

That being said, I'm sure of two things: the seminar will be packed.

And life will go on.

12clicks · 03-20-2007, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

Look at how many people still slag 12clicks.

You're mistaken. There's only a couple of theives still left from the old days bitter about me outing them as thieves.

georgeyw · 03-20-2007, 06:27 AM

Wow what a thread.

Just wanted to put my 2c in here. With re to wizzo's standpoint, has anyone thought that just maybe they've put out their content on these sites? His stance on it suggests to me that it's just a form of branding for them.

Rui · 03-20-2007, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

Tony, AFF has TENS OF THOUSANDS of affiliates do you think they can police every single one of them? Lars has no control if someone signs up for an AFF account grabs a few geo-targeted banners and then places them on his password trading site. The only way AFF finds out is because someone on AFF posts a big thread condemning them for receiving traffic from the password trader.

DH

....that could work if it wasnt for the fact AFF is well aware of some of the torrent/nfo/content leeching sites that push them for months!

darksoul · 03-20-2007, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

DH...we started spending monmey with you

Talk about being a hypocrite.
Why do you even waste your time bashing Lars when you support
a company that deals with Zango ?

Chris · 03-20-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

I just noticed this on the Phoenix Forum seminar list....seems kind of weird that someone runs a company that funds piracy on all levels is being asked to tell us what the state of OUR industry is

AFF funding the piracy of BangBrosOnline content - http://www.btmon.com/torrent/bang%20bros

AFF funding the piracy of New Sensations content - http://www.btmon.com/Porn/Unsorted/J...s.torrent.html

and we all know about shooshtime
http://www.shooshtime.com/

and of course, how could they not fund the stealing of paysite passwords also
http://www.ultrapasswords.com/

Next year will we have "How to maximize your advertising dollar - presented by Zango, Inc."?

Ultrapasswords is 100% sponsor driven.
Those passwords come directly from the sponsor
they are beefed up tours and sometimes 'real' members area that sell the SHIT out of stuff

so ultrapasswords is really not providing "stolen" passwords

tony286 · 03-20-2007, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by darksoul

Talk about being a hypocrite.
Why do you even waste your time bashing Lars when you support
a company that deals with Zango ?

the couple hundred we spend on submit passes isnt funding anything one way or another also dh is not part of our industry.

Peaches · 03-20-2007, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

also dh is not part of our industry.

Huh??! I guess this comes from the same logic that because I have free sites, I'm not part of the industry I've been making very good money (more than you, per your posts) in for 10 years, lol.

Wiredguy and RichC - free sites - part of industry or not? Shemp and Sleazy? Just curious what you consider "part of our industry". If you have to shoot content then most of the affiliate programs aren't part of "our" industry either.

Please explain.

DTK · 03-20-2007, 09:04 AM

Stay tuned for our next thrilling episode: "Thieves, and the Suckups Who Love Them"

BlackCrayon · 03-20-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Huh??! I guess this comes from the same logic that because I have free sites, I'm not part of the industry I've been making very good money (more than you, per your posts) in for 10 years, lol.

Wiredguy and RichC - free sites - part of industry or not? Shemp and Sleazy? Just curious what you consider "part of our industry". If you have to shoot content then most of the affiliate programs aren't part of "our" industry either.

Please explain.

DH is a reseller of traffic, he doesn't actually make anything besides the little movies they put on p2p.

BlackCrayon · 03-20-2007, 09:14 AM

and listen up newbies, the old schoolers have spoken. steal, steal lie and stea some morel and then lie about it. thats the way to the top, oh and be friends with people who make you money...which aren't real friends at all but hey, as long as you get yours.

Techie Media · 03-20-2007, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DTK

Stay tuned for our next thrilling episode: "Thieves, and the Suckups Who Love Them"

Now that made me crack up....

he-fox · 03-20-2007, 09:51 AM

I love these threads. Always making it easier to choose who to not work with.

Grand Master T · 03-20-2007, 09:54 AM

hmm i didnt know that. interesting.
nice indeed :S

NinjaSteve · 03-20-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

panels are dog and pony shows, no offense to anyone that sits on them, but why in an industry that we all know how it is behind the scenes, and how everyone stabs anyone for a nickel, would anyone in their right mind tell you traffic secrets and how to's about any fucking thing. i don't need my views of this industry in their pristine crystal gloryness obscured by anyone.

i only attend seminars that are about things like billing where the billing companies tell you how to better utilize your accounts and such.

Maybe so... but The State of the Industry is not about traffic secrets and I enjoyed last years seminar. Some panels about traffic and building free sites offer some very basic information though which I feel is for new comers.

NinjaSteve · 03-20-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

Maybe because we started this board for adult webmasters that were interested in making money, and think that people should focus on being successful rather than complaining about what others do... and this makes me bad?

If nobody complains about what somebody does, then the abusers will just abuse more.

NinjaSteve · 03-20-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Hey Tony and Airek..

I'm on the same panel - if given the oppotunity to actually speak, I'll share some things that will make people money. Come on out, let's make it real!

Brad

Brad, you're smart guy and always full of useful information! Let's get rich yo!

tony286 · 03-20-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Huh??! I guess this comes from the same logic that because I have free sites, I'm not part of the industry I've been making very good money (more than you, per your posts) in for 10 years, lol.

Wiredguy and RichC - free sites - part of industry or not? Shemp and Sleazy? Just curious what you consider "part of our industry". If you have to shoot content then most of the affiliate programs aren't part of "our" industry either.

Please explain.

Peaches you have officially become boring, your on ignore have a nice life.

FightThisPatent · 03-20-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Wiredguy and RichC - free sites - part of industry or not? Shemp and Sleazy? Just curious what you consider "part of our industry". If you have to shoot content then most of the affiliate programs aren't part of "our" industry either.

Please explain.

i'm not part of the industry either according to Tony.

Fight the card carrying!

candyflip · 03-20-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Ultrapasswords is 100% sponsor driven.
Those passwords come directly from the sponsor
they are beefed up tours and sometimes 'real' members area that sell the SHIT out of stuff

so ultrapasswords is really not providing "stolen" passwords

Obviously you don't own any paysites. One of mine recently showed up on Ultrapasswords. I didn't give it to them. So your "100%" claim holds absolutely NO water.

Jace · 03-20-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

your on ignore have a nice life.

WELCOME TO THE CLUB!!! hehe

Peaches · 03-20-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

i'm not part of the industry either according to Tony.

Fight the card carrying!

Well, I'd rather be a part of YOUR industry any day

tony286 · 03-20-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

i'm not part of the industry either according to Tony.

Fight the card carrying!

You like to help but your not, you dont sell porn(affiliates) or produce it.xxx,2257 dont effect your life one way or another.I think if neither of those really effect your way of life its pretty safe to say your not in the industry. Peaches knew what I was talking about.

Jace · 03-20-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

i'm not part of the industry either according to Tony.

Fight the card carrying!

well, you are INVOLVED with our industry, but you are not a direct player, so, technically you aren't a part of it

Jace · 03-20-2007, 12:37 PM

i need to register ThePeachesIgnoreClub.com, LOL, my icq was lit up when I fired up Trillian today....it is funny how many people are finally starting to see the crazy that she is

Confucy2, paging Confucy2

Peaches · 03-20-2007, 12:41 PM

So per Tony and Jace, processors and hosts aren't part of "the industry" either. Only if you shoot your own content and/or have a paysite. Brilliant. Just BRILLIANT

OK, I'm part of THE OTHER industry. It includes free sites, TGP/MGPs, affiliate programs, photogs, processors, hosts, etc. And Brandon and DH ;)

Jace · 03-20-2007, 12:42 PM

did peaches mention her free sites again?

abyss_al · 03-20-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

there are no ethics in adult. period. if you think there are, get out now.

saddest thing i've read on this board

CDSmith · 03-20-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

there are no ethics in adult. period. if you think there are, get out now.

We all choose the level of ethics we wish to incorporate into our own businesses, and judging by some of your past posts I've read I would hazard a guess that you have a bit more moral fiber than you sometimes let on. I'm sorry but I 100% disagree with your above statement. If that were true I would not have stayed in this business 9 seconds let alone 9 years.

There are plenty of individuals in our community whom I have enjoyed doing business with, I wouldn't hesitate to invite most of them into my home or spend time socializing with. I would not be saying that if I thought everyone was basically a thief devoid of any ethics or moral compass.

Your rationale is flawed I'm afraid. You were attempting to say that it takes a thief to succeed big in adult, in attempts of basically saying that what Lars is doing is okay because that's the way things are done. So everyone should leave the guy alone for that reason.... but I'm sorry, it just doesn't wash. There are simply too many examples of successful people who aren't screwing everyone they can to get ahead and stay ahead, and I for one am thankful for that.

seeric · 03-20-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

We all choose the level of ethics we wish to incorporate into our own businesses, and judging by some of your past posts I've read I would hazard a guess that you have a bit more moral fiber than you sometimes let on. I'm sorry but I 100% disagree with your above statement. If that were true I would not have stayed in this business 9 seconds let alone 9 years.

There are plenty of individuals in our community whom I have enjoyed doing business with, I wouldn't hesitate to invite most of them into my home or spend time socializing with. I would not be saying that if I thought everyone was basically a thief devoid of any ethics or moral compass.

Your rationale is flawed I'm afraid. You were attempting to say that it takes a thief to succeed big in adult, in attempts of basically saying that what Lars is doing is okay because that's the way things are done. So everyone should leave the guy alone for that reason.... but I'm sorry, it just doesn't wash. There are simply too many examples of successful people who aren't screwing everyone they can to get ahead and stay ahead, and I for one am thankful for that.

i corrected myself a few posts later, after my internet friend tony404 called me out on that. there are good people in adult. its the cocksuckers that i'm fed up with that i so briefly allowed to take over my state of mind. for that i apologize. your post is on the money. 7 years in this biz, the bad shit can easily appear to override the good people.

for the second time. my apologies to those of you that are not lying, stealing, unethical cock smokers that will steal your moms last breath of air to live longer. there are many of you out there that deserve my respect.

better?

and you're right, i've got a lot of ethics and heart. thank you for noticing.

jayeff · 03-20-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

There are simply too many examples of successful people who aren't screwing everyone they can to get ahead and stay ahead, and I for one am thankful for that.

Not only is that patently true - all anyone needs do is look around outside and even inside our industry - but promoting the idea that the reality is different is only the beginning of how foolish many in this business are. I don't know... it's almost as if some people want to believe this is a bad-boys industry, so that their being part of it makes them cool or whatever.

If someone is unethical and/or doesn't care about others' ethics, then - for example - he might not have an issue about sitting with a bunch of sponsors and having a good laugh over how affiliates get screwed.

But Lars is doing at least as much damage to other sponsors as to affiliates: a heck of a lot more if you relate the percentage of traffic "Zango'd" to their turnover. The content-theft sites that AFF helps monetize, for sure maybe they generate a few type-in sales. But is anyone really stupid enough to believe that number is greater than the number of sales being lost because all this member-area content is floating around?

It's not only a nonsense to claim this industry is made up of unethical people, but we make ourselves look even more foolish by letting those who are and who prey on the rest of us be a part of our industry. "A part" in the sense that they can advertise on boards, they are welcomed at shows. They are invited to speak on panels!

How stupid is that? If you get burglarized, are you going to invite the burglar round for tea?

Peaches · 03-20-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

"A part" in the sense that they can advertise on boards, they are welcomed at shows. They are invited to speak on panels!

How stupid is that? If you get burglarized, are you going to invite the burglar round for tea?

I guess I see it differently: If I was posting every few days how much I hated Lars and everything he stood for with a vengance, I would WELCOME having a "Come to Jesus" talk with him in a public place in a room full of my peers. Would I invite a burglar over for tea? No, but I'd sure enjoy interogating the hell out of him in front of my friends and fellow neighbors.

MaDalton · 03-20-2007, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

What I don't get, is you guys really are trying to have a debate with a drunk... and the sad fact is I've made about $1000 while all this has gone on.... I figure about 2hrs now lets deduct the wine cost at 2 bottles at $47(I know I'm a cheap drunk) so $1000 minus $96.... I've made $904 in the last 2 hours and you've made what? This isn't a attempt to put you down, but just trying to figure out what happened to my industry and the peeps that made money with it...

i hope with your mathematics you don't do the accounting at MM

MaDalton · 03-20-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Post it sometime on my myspace page negro!

i see your anti-racist workshop does not work too well

CDSmith · 03-20-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

I guess I see it differently: If I was posting every few days how much I hated Lars and everything he stood for with a vengance, I would WELCOME having a "Come to Jesus" talk with him in a public place in a room full of my peers. Would I invite a burglar over for tea? No, but I'd sure enjoy interogating the hell out of him in front of my friends and fellow neighbors.

For the record I don't harbor any hate for Lars. From what I've come to know of him he's a pretty fun guy to be around, and a very personable fellow. Beyond his stance on zango and a few of his business practices I have no problem with him at all.

Hate doesn't factor into it.

Hopefully a few people at that seminar will choose to speak up and take him to task, I guess we'll soon see.

seeric · 03-20-2007, 03:39 PM

some people need to read threads before posting. they do take turns. meow.

03-19-2007, 10:50 PM	#209
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	On a more serious note, I was wonder if DH has that pic from three years ago with my wife and the Joey Fatone guy.. Now a superstar on dancing with the stars!! Post it sometime on my myspace page negro! __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

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03-20-2007, 01:39 AM	#215
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	While it's commendable to want to defend one's friend, there are some instances when you'd be doing that friend a far bigger service by telling him that what he is doing is wrong. It's also nice to speak up about the money you've made from that friend, but so too is it obvious that we'd all be making a lot MORE money if that friend and others like him weren't supporting those that steal cash directly out of our pockets. Anyone that truly understands the Zango business model would know this and agree. Maybe those defending their old friend and their wonderful client with deep pockets are the true whiners here, if there has to be whiners at all that is. The malodorous stench of asskissing is certainly present. For it is they who choose to ignore the theft that is going on right under their own noses and instead throw ridicule and insults at those who are merely voicing their protest against said thievery, or to use an even better word... scumbaggery, all the while praising the thieves as being captains of the industry and buyers of many drinks and much partying. Incredible, yet incredibly transparent. Yes, it becomes scumbaggery when your old friend, that great guy who has spent gazillions with you on advertising or sent cheques to you that only a large dumptruck could carry, chooses to support companies that by their very nature steal from all of us (including you), all the while basically laughing it off and ignoring the concerns of affiliates. I'm not singling anyone out in particular but I would hazard a guess that Lars takes the lion's share of the heat because the company he represents is at the top of the heap as being named one of the worst offenders of supporting the zangos of the world. There are certainly others who are on that offenders list with him... http://www.zangoblacklist.com/ That being said, I'm sure of two things: the seminar will be packed. And life will go on. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

03-20-2007, 06:27 AM	#217
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03-20-2007, 09:04 AM	#223
DTK Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The 510 Posts: 4,545	Stay tuned for our next thrilling episode: "Thieves, and the Suckups Who Love Them" __________________ Arguing whether the Democratic or Republican party is better is like debating which steaming pile of shit is slightly less stinky.

03-19-2007, 10:32 PM	#206
Legendary_Samir So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 440	where's Batts? Oh wait, its not his battle!

03-20-2007, 01:04 AM	#212
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	AFF are corporate assholes now... I move that Sleazy remove their Ambush Interviews... Ohh wait... Sleazy is corporate too... Well, I guess he is perfect for the state of the industry then.

03-20-2007, 09:14 AM	#225
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	and listen up newbies, the old schoolers have spoken. steal, steal lie and stea some morel and then lie about it. thats the way to the top, oh and be friends with people who make you money...which aren't real friends at all but hey, as long as you get yours. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

03-20-2007, 09:51 AM	#227
he-fox Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Playa del Carmen, Mexico Posts: 2,884	I love these threads. Always making it easier to choose who to not work with.

03-20-2007, 09:54 AM	#228
Grand Master T I have traffic for sale! Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 130	hmm i didnt know that. interesting. nice indeed :S

03-20-2007, 12:37 PM	#239
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	i need to register ThePeachesIgnoreClub.com, LOL, my icq was lit up when I fired up Trillian today....it is funny how many people are finally starting to see the crazy that she is Confucy2, paging Confucy2

03-20-2007, 12:41 PM	#240
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	So per Tony and Jace, processors and hosts aren't part of "the industry" either. Only if you shoot your own content and/or have a paysite. Brilliant. Just BRILLIANT OK, I'm part of THE OTHER industry. It includes free sites, TGP/MGPs, affiliate programs, photogs, processors, hosts, etc. And Brandon and DH ;)

03-20-2007, 12:42 PM	#241
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	did peaches mention her free sites again?

03-20-2007, 03:39 PM	#250
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	some people need to read threads before posting. they do take turns. meow.