RogerV

what programs get pushed hard online and dont ever sponsor shows or anything?
what programs sponsor stuff and get pushed hard?

BrettJ

I went with sponsors that sponsor/give back.

For multiple reasons.

1) if they have the money to spend on extra things such as contests, parties, dinners, etc they are probably doing well.

2) even if they aren't doing well - perception is reality - people will start promoting them more heavily - their tours will become recognizable and the conversions/interest will improve.

3) I support programs that help/support me over programs I've never talked to/had any connections to . it doesn't just have to be buying drinks - there are a number of ways of giving back - like Larry Flynts legal investments in our industry and the country's civil liberties that win my allegiance/loyalty.

Martin

Since I dont go to these parties. I dont give a sheeeeeit.

RogerV

I totally agree with you.
so many big programs feel they are above the industry or at least thats how it seems when they dont sponsor or go to shows to meet affiliates face to face.. But they still get pushed hard..

Makes me wonder

RogerV

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so who sponsors and who dont?

RogerV

So who do you push the Hardest? if you dont mind me asking

Martin

I lightly promote a couple programs right now. I'm looking into MS and starting my own adult proggie. I don't find it worth while these days to market other people's sites. If you're going to pay to push joins, might as well be your own sites.

RogerV

you can push your own but what if they dont join? who are you going to work traffic deals with.. unless you dont believe in exits?

SteveLightspeed

I think sponsoring parties and meeting people face to face is alot of what got Lightspeedcash off the ground. We determined that Tanker and I spent about $1million on travel/conventions/parties between 2002 and 2004.

I still like to sponsor parties and fun events at shows. Its my way of having fun and giving back to an industry that has been very generous to ME.

Steve Lightspeed

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I agree with you 100%. Although I haven't been to any shows yet or even met any sponsors face-to-face, when I notice that sponsors throw parties and whatever it shows they have money to spend so there's less of a worry about getting paid and whatnot and if they're donating to certain not-for-profit organizations which benefit the industry or whatever as a whole greatly increases my values for said sponsor.
So bottom line, yes I do push those programs more than others.
Although there is of course other reasons why I would push a non-social sponsor more than others, like conversion ratio.

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Peaches

I go with sponsors that pay me the most per click. Period. I've actually NOT gone to a sponsored party if I've tried that sponsor, they didn't convert and I knew I'd never send them traffic. Or if I was with people who went, I'd not drink or eat any thing. I hate being a freeloader

I have gone to sponsor parties and come back and at least given them a try if I hadn't before though - just to keep the ying and yang in sync ;)

beemk

thats because people push the good sites that convert, i push whoever makes me the most $ in the long run. buying me drinks and stuff doesnt get my traffic. if someone has $ to invest in throwing parties, i think it is better spent improving their sites.

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dont give a fuck what so ever...

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BrettJ

It's part of a mix - you can have the best sites in the world but if you don't attract the traffic - through increased payouts, special give aways, thread competitions, publicity stunts, parties, dinners, etc - you're doing your company a disservice. I wasn't trying to suggest they should neglect their core business or that the affiliate shouldn't be focused on the bottom line - I was merely saying that the person that goes the extra mile does garner attention and attracts business.

A great example of a company (and somebody correct me if I'm mistaken) that doesn't spend money on affiliate adversting / promotion / parties is BangBros and yet they are an obvious success story - when they started doing well for affiliates - the word of mouth spread like wild fire - and they didn't need to spend the money on marketing - they had the best marketing money could buy - testimonial of friends/peers.

WiredGuy

I like sponsors who pay every penny possible.
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SleazyDream

funny - all the people without traffic in this thread don't care - and there's a lot more of them - and the few with traffic def care.


interesting.

makes me think that when the ones without traffic finally get traffic if they will change their mind. (i'm betting yes)

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tony286

has clickcash ever had a party? We have some programs in our members area and its based on if they convert, parties dont make that happen. Also considering most of sponsors traffic comes from 20 percent of their affiliates.I would see parties as free loader events. Has any sponsor had affiliate only events?

tony286

You dont believe in programs anyway traffic or not,your prepay lol .

RogerV

after this thread I cant see why we need shows then.. Its all paid by sponsors

tony286

They shouldnt be needed in a internet world, if something has a good roi it doesnt need a party.

beemk

i agree 100%. there are also other sites like this.

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DaddyHalbucks

Sure I do, it's good marketing.

Sponsors can also be a little more forward than usual without offending. It's a great way to get your message out there.

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Ross

I couldn't give a flying fuck if you pamper me in Vegas or kiss my ass in LA. If you convert and send me my money on time every time you'll keep getting my traffic.

I understand why people do this tho, sponsor parties, dinners, night clubs etc its so people remember them.... Half the time its just for show in my opinion coz not very many people remember them the next day when they have a hangover thanks to all the free booze!

darksoul

I do have a few preferential sponsors due to prior connections
but even those get cut off if they don't convert.
Parties are cool because you get to meet new people and it has a big branding
effect but it takes more than that to get traffic. You need to convert.

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I've never promoted a bangbros site in my life, mainly because I have no idea who those people are and we make our traffic deals based on relationships.

So have they done well? Yes.... could they have had more if they decided to get personally involved in the industry? You bet.

I don't really care about "the party" per-se, but I do like meeting the people who want me to send them traffic.

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exactly.

CyberAgeGary

More power to the sponsors that throw parties.. More power to the ones that don't as long as we all help each other and throw traffic around. More money for us...

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MikeVega

I sponsor a little party here and there but never really did anything too big. I just feel that money can be better spent buying dinner for guys and rounds of drinks at the hotel and clubs. I feel it's a good way to give back and I attend as many shows as i have time for each year. the dinners and drinks can add up to the same as a few good sponsor spots but are much more productive for me.

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DamageX

If anything, I'd be more inclined to push them less. I'd rather see them put that money towards paying affiliates more. I can buy my own booze, thanks.

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Peaches

We have shows so we can meet/see each other since we're not working together in an office. Personally I'd rather go to a show and pay for my own stuff (which is funny how I usually tip about what a drink would cost for my "free" drink) and meet and greet the sponsors and talk to fellow affiliates

Peaches

Ooops - duplicate

The Heron

The theory that if you spend money on marketing you are doing well is flawed, look at ibll... they had a booth when they weren't paying out!

I promote programs that I can trust and that I see have the dedication to provide a quality product. The trust is more easily gained if I meet face to face and talk so in that respect I think it is very important to at least go to conventions and network but throwing parties and spending excessive amounts don't sway me either way.

The Heron

The theory that if you spend money on marketing you are doing well is flawed, look at ibll... they had a booth when they weren't paying out!

I promote programs that I can trust and that I see have the dedication to provide a quality product. The trust is more easily gained if I meet face to face and talk so in that respect I think it is very important to at least go to conventions and network but throwing parties and spending excessive amounts don't sway me either way.

The Heron

The theory that if you spend money on marketing you are doing well is flawed, look at ibll... they had a booth when they weren't paying out!

I promote programs that I can trust and that I see have the dedication to provide a quality product. The trust is more easily gained if I meet face to face and talk so in that respect I think it is very important to at least go to conventions and network but throwing parties and spending excessive amounts don't sway me either way.

The Heron

The theory that if you spend money on marketing you are doing well is flawed, look at ibll... they had a booth when they weren't paying out!

I promote programs that I can trust and that I see have the dedication to provide a quality product. The trust is more easily gained if I meet face to face and talk so in that respect I think it is very important to at least go to conventions and network but throwing parties and spending excessive amounts don't sway me either way.

RobertD

My traffic goes to who pays me the most.

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RogerV

I have to agree with you. I tried to do some biz with them in the past but they said they dont care.
I have never promoted them for the same reasons and never will.

congrats to them for doing so well without working with other programs

SleazyDream

funny - I've met them several times, the owners and high ranking employees of theirs.

I do agree though - i don't heavily involved with anyone till i meet them.

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Let me rephrase that. My traffic goes to who pays me the most in the least amount of time.

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Peaches

There's a big difference between the owners meeting their customers and the employees throwing a "if you have a show badge, you're in" party. There are VERY few employees who can override a company's policy w/o clearing it with the owners first, so why not deal with the owner from the start? Granted, there are more and more owners who want to have less face time in the biz.

Brad Mitchell's yacht party was a perfect example of the way to have a face to face meeting between the owner and the big guys

Pipecrew

A lot of people seem to believe that, however, if you own your competition, your going to make more in the long run sending to companies you own, as opposed to 5 other ones only paying you on the initial join. We've never been big on throwing parties or throwing money around, we'd rather invest it in content and making the surfers/webmasters happy.

We come to vegas/florida to meet mainly our affiliates and people we deal with on a regular basis (cybercat etc), fortunately we can get that done quite easily at parties like the Sleazydream one and the Thinkreel moviepost dinner, essentially EVERYONE! is there.

Bozena X

I got no traffic